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The_Ink_Goddess
05-22-2013, 04:53 AM
(The title comes from the very intellectual way we used to mess it around with it on our calculators during maths.)

This is such a weird question for me because I'm a XX myself, but, um, boobs. Breasts. Tits. Mammary glands. Whatever you prefer.

This girl has them. Like, impressive big. She's blonde, tall and very hippy and chesty, essentially. All cleavage. She's this weird hybrid of the masculine/feminine body type because she's very tall and muscular but she's simultaneously very, ahem, feminine. As she's also sixteen (and crazy), this is very troubling for her. She hates the attention she gets and kind of loves it and hates herself for wanting it because she's so wrapped up in what other people (particularly boys) think of her.

I am not this. Like at all. Since I'm unimpressive on top, I basically forget that boobs are things that grow up there. Whenever I try to write in moments of disgust/loathing at how she looks, I'm worried that it comes off too porn-y or melodramatic. I mean, she is melodramatic, but...

Can the ladies help me? What's it like to have large boobs? I have dudes heckling her, people in general looking at them, a couple of jokey references to the difficulty of running without major under-wiring, and she wears a pretty tight bra that hurts her and puts her on edge. Also, would you mind giving me some examples of times where people have harassed or bothered you because of it? (Warning: these may be tweaked and put in my draft, since my own versions of these kind of scenes feel pretty inauthentic. So specify if you feel comfortable with them being out there, under different names and different circumstances. I would never use anything of yours without your permission, obviously, but I'd really like a more first-person take on this.

JustKia
05-22-2013, 12:47 PM
One big issue - big boobs and under wiring often means the under wiring pokes you in the arm pits!
They change at times in the menstrual cycle. Post ov they can be heavy and tender; Pre ov they're usually softer and "wobbly".

It's hard to think how an MC who dislikes her boobs would feel because I have to say I LOVE having boobs!

If she isn't happy with being busty then you'll be having her in "minimiser" types bras rather than tight ones which will perk the girls up.

I've never actually been harassed or bothered by anyone about my boobs and I actually used to work on a building site. But then mine aren't carrying-two-beachballs huge either.

benbenberi
05-22-2013, 06:17 PM
Big boobs make it hard to get clothes to fit right. Things that button up are particularly tough (unsightly pulling, gaps, etc.). Clothes that fit ok across the boobs are probably too big overall - but if your girl is self-conscious about her appearance, that's probably a feature, not a bug.

Underwire isn't the only thing she'll want in a bra - a bra can be very supportive without, if it's been well-engineered in other ways. But if she wears a bra with the straps too short (don't let the girls droop!) it may give her back & neck strain. To downplay the boobs, she'll probably go for a "minimizer" style. If she's muscular (& presumably active), she may like sports bras - those pack the girls in, reduce the jiggle-factor. Also, for paradoxical attention-seeking, she can wear a colorful sports bra without a shirt.

Russell Secord
05-22-2013, 07:41 PM
I'm male, but I once knew a women who was extremely well endowed. Men tend to treat women like that as furniture, in some cases literally. At a bar a man dropped his cigarette ash into her cleavage.

Naturally, the coarse remarks come with the coarse behavior. "Are those real?"

I can confirm the back trouble. A tight bra can also make it difficult to breathe.

asroc
05-22-2013, 07:46 PM
My breasts aren't really large, but they developed early and since I'm otherwise pretty tiny it took a while for me to grow into them. So for some of my teenage years I was somewhat top-heavy.

Finding clothes was a chore. A shirt would fit length-wise in the back, but be too short in the front. Blouses wouldn't properly button in the front. Bras, ugh. I had no idea what I was doing. For a while I wore only hoodies.

Harassment: I was visibly a teenager at the time and I've always looked younger than I am, but there were still wolf-whistles, cat-calls ("I wanna rub my face in those"), people asking if they were real, people trying to rest their glasses on them, all the way to groping/sexual assault. I blamed my breasts for this and not the men who did this. I squished them into the most constricting bras I could find, not understanding that those aren't the equivalent of a proper minimizer (some things my dad just couldn't teach me). Once I even tried tying them down with duct tape. Spectacularly bad idea. Don't do this.

heza
05-22-2013, 10:09 PM
Bras doing heavy duty lifting can also dig into the shoulders if the straps aren't wide enough. And the really supportive bras don't always come in the prettiest styles.

I can concur on the button issue. Everything I wear looks either frumpy because to not call out my chest, it has to be baggy everywhere else, or too form fitting in the chest if I want it to actually fit the way it's supposed to otherwise.

I used to get a lot of flak from the smaller-chested girls in high school. One, in particular, really tried to make my life a living hell by making loud remarks about them, for no apparent reason. If a boy was talking to me, she'd announce that he was just trying to get into my shirt or something else boob-related.

One thing I hate, hate, hate is riding in elevators. Dudes will back up into me when the elevator is crowded (or not even very much so) so that my boobs are in their backs. I had to start carry things like sharpies and gooey snacks and other stuff that would defile their sports coats and shield myself.

I often knock things over with them... like, leaning across my desk to get a file folder, I can spill my coffee.

They're not all bad, though. I can balance a cereal bowl on them... that's good for Saturday mornings.

pkbax
05-22-2013, 11:36 PM
When I hear some gal complain about hers not being big enough I have two thoughts: here - take some of mine; and you really don't want anything bigger than about a B or C.

Ditto to the comments about tops not fitting right, especially if you have a small waist in comparison. Buttons pop, v-neck or scoop necks may show more cleavage than you want, and turtle necks or other high neck tops make you look like a ski jump. If she does wear loose clothing, some people will assume she's fat 'cause it won't show off the waist. Bras in larger cup sizes can be harder to find and always cost more. (Beside the fact that they are not usually as pretty.) Regarding sports bras that were mentioned - yikes! At my size I rarely find one, and when I do I can't get them on or off without a major problem (try pulling a tight elastic band over something bigger than the band stretches), and I hate the "uniboob" look they give.

Guys taller than her will stare down the cleavage, and she'll have the problem that guys won't be looking in her eyes or at her face when talking with her, even though she's tall. There will be "accidental" brushes, questions about if they're real, and assumptions about her character and brains. (Big chested women are often stereotyped as being dumb or ditsy.)

ECathers
05-23-2013, 01:12 AM
I'm only moderately sized but one challenge I have is finding somewhere for my arms to go when I lay in bed (I sleep on my side) without squashing them.

Also, I don't know if your MC's into archery, they may get in the way of the bowstring. Ouch.

NikiK
05-23-2013, 01:39 AM
Ditto what everyone else said about clothes not fitting properly. You can feel frumpy if you have something that's large enough to cover the girls, but is too large in the waist. Or you can feel skanky if you have something that makes your waist look good but your boobs are spilling out. And some buttons on blouses are just not meant to take the strain. I remember running for a bus and my nice, business-appropriate blouse had opened all the way down without my noticing. I wondered why the driver gave me such a nice smile! Then as I got to my seat and looked down, I realized why.

The nicest feeling at the end of the day is unhooking that tight bra and taking a deep breath, or several deep breaths. Then stretch out those sore back muscles. The sensation of relief is wonderful.

The most irritating aspect is the way men treat you because of them. I remember being at a tech conference and one guy in particular having an entire conversation with my boobs. I just wanted to scream at him, "Look at my eyes! I'm up here, not down there." Of course all I did was coldly end the conversation and stalk away, to the sound of, "Bitch," coming from behind me.

Cath
05-23-2013, 03:34 AM
Women with largely boobs tend to have a more hunched posture as well (a trick to make 'em look smaller). I can also confirm the back and neck issues.

I'm a DDD and I cannot find shirts that fit - there's always gaping at the widest point.

I once had a coworker throw stuff into my cleavage because I wasn't listening to him. That caused much hilarity for the rest of the group, but mortal embarrassment for me. Everyone wondered why it bothered me so much because 'it was just a joke'.

wendymarlowe
05-23-2013, 04:15 AM
Running sucks - even the most supportive bra doesn't entirely mitigate the extra weight. (There's a reason world-champion female runners tend to be smaller on top!) Any high-impact activities, really, which includes jumping and doing stairs. You'd be surprised at how this can affect your day-to-day life - it's not conscious, you just occasionally realize you're automatically taking the elevator or giving up on catching the subway rather than taking the stairs or running.

Of course there's the constant issue of bumping into things, awkwardly trying to squeeze past people, and the occasional closing a screen door on your boobs by mistake :-\ When you're wearing a high-necked shirt, you end up with a "shelf" which tends to catch crumbs and other embarrassing eye-catching detritus. When you're wearing a lower-necked shirt, though, you get good at finding ways to angle your body any time you have to learn over, so you're not presenting more of a vista than you intended. Wearing high heels makes this a lot worse, by the way (both by pushing your chest out and pushing you off-balance, complicating your running and your cleavage-hiding abilities).

Orianna2000
05-24-2013, 06:54 AM
Keep in mind that breast size can change when you gain or lose weight. When I lost 40 pounds, I went from a DD to a C. Broke my husband's heart! It was easier to find blouses that fit, though.

There are tricks to dressing properly if you're large-busted. Avoid tops with ruffles or embellishment between the bust and the neckline. Wear V-neck tops, instead of rounded or square; it draws the eye downward, visually elongating you. Avoid horizontal stripes and puffed sleeves, as these widen you visually.

Some large-breasted women wear a sports bra or a bralet to bed, as leaving them unsupported can be painful.

Dreity
05-24-2013, 07:14 AM
Just before Christmas I went bra shopping with a very well-endowed family member. I got about six decent quality bras for the price that she typically pays for one. She also lamented that it's almost impossible to find cute, girly bras in her size. She gets stuck with old lady styles.

wendymarlowe
05-24-2013, 08:50 AM
Keep in mind that breast size can change when you gain or lose weight. When I lost 40 pounds, I went from a DD to a C. Broke my husband's heart! It was easier to find blouses that fit, though.

Hormones change your size, too - I went up a size when I first went on the pill, then another size when I got pregnant with my first kid, another when breastfeeding, then another two with my second kid. I can't afford to get pregnant again or I might topple over :-P (Seriously, 34A to 34DDD since starting college is a bit much!)

I guess I prefer that to the other direction, which is just as common - suddenly discovering you've got less on top than you used to after you finish breastfeeding a kid.

lalyil
05-24-2013, 11:15 AM
(The title comes from the very intellectual way we used to mess it around with it on our calculators during maths.)

This is such a weird question for me because I'm a XX myself, but, um, boobs. Breasts. Tits. Mammary glands. Whatever you prefer.

This girl has them. Like, impressive big. She's blonde, tall and very hippy and chesty, essentially. All cleavage. She's this weird hybrid of the masculine/feminine body type because she's very tall and muscular but she's simultaneously very, ahem, feminine. As she's also sixteen (and crazy), this is very troubling for her. She hates the attention she gets and kind of loves it and hates herself for wanting it because she's so wrapped up in what other people (particularly boys) think of her.

I am not this. Like at all. Since I'm unimpressive on top, I basically forget that boobs are things that grow up there. Whenever I try to write in moments of disgust/loathing at how she looks, I'm worried that it comes off too porn-y or melodramatic. I mean, she is melodramatic, but...

Can the ladies help me? What's it like to have large boobs? I have dudes heckling her, people in general looking at them, a couple of jokey references to the difficulty of running without major under-wiring, and she wears a pretty tight bra that hurts her and puts her on edge. Also, would you mind giving me some examples of times where people have harassed or bothered you because of it? (Warning: these may be tweaked and put in my draft, since my own versions of these kind of scenes feel pretty inauthentic. So specify if you feel comfortable with them being out there, under different names and different circumstances. I would never use anything of yours without your permission, obviously, but I'd really like a more first-person take on this.

I remember in 4th grade I think I started growing and some kid in class said "wow! You're not a kid anymore!" and that kinda bothered me then and upset me.. I mean, I was a kid, I was in 4th grade.
Nowadays the attention doesn't bother me as much cos I learnt that to deal with it I just talk about them as they don't matter. It's some sort of defense mechanism I guess. I do have one good male friend here though who, at some point, started flirting and basically tried to convince me to sleep with him, as he was saying how he loves big boobed ladies. I thought I was going to have to basically say 'stop it or I can't talk to you anymore' but then he got a big boobed girlfriend and left me alone lol

Important to say that when I lost weight I stayed DD (I lost half my body weight). Getting bras is very difficult and I envy girls who can go to the market and buy the small bras they got there. Here the bigger bras are very expensive too and I tend to buy mine abroad. Wiring can hurt a lot at times (when bloated or gaining weight) and the back hurts all the time. Sleeping on my stomach also hurts sometimes.

ArcticFox
05-24-2013, 11:29 AM
I echo all ladies above in regards to looks/catcalls/comments/finding clothes and expensive bras.

I pay $80 for one bra. They are all beige or white. I have a size E chest right now. So...I am endowed. If it fits at top it makes me look fat, and if I go with something that fits my waist I look like I have tires up there. It does not do much for self-esteem.

shaldna
05-24-2013, 03:16 PM
back pain. and running is one of the worst experiences. so sore.

getting clothes to fit, and getting underwear is horrible - you can always tell when a big chested lady has fake boobs because she can wear nice underwear since they stay up themselves. The rest of us have to try and cram our funbags into a decent shape and location with industrial underwear.

The_Ink_Goddess
05-24-2013, 09:04 PM
Helpful thread is v. helpful. Seriously, keep going. Especially enlightening because she's very physical and active and I mostly had her go running and doing physical things (like killing her ex-boyfriends) with no physical implications whatever.


back pain. and running is one of the worst experiences. so sore.

getting clothes to fit, and getting underwear is horrible - you can always tell when a big chested lady has fake boobs because she can wear nice underwear since they stay up themselves. The rest of us have to try and cram our funbags into a decent shape and location with industrial underwear.

Very interesting, shaldna (or anyone else), can you help to clarify this? Fake boobs can hold themselves up but because nipples are so offensive women still have to wear bras, but they presumably need larger size bras to accommodate the sheer size?

pkbax
05-24-2013, 09:25 PM
I don't have the back problems, but I attribute that mostly to not employing the stooped posture trying to minimize the appearance of "the girls". I also try very hard to make sure the support comes from the band and bra construction - lifting the breasts from below rather than pulling them up with the straps. But even without the back problems, some sports are horribly uncomfortable. Anything high impact will have them bouncing - hard - no matter what bra you wear. And any sport that includes a swing across the chest (tennis, softball, even golf) will result in them being in the way.

Fake breasts stay up a bit better because they're created using fluid filled sacs and the fluid can only move within that sac. Thus, even though the breasts are larger, women with fake boobs don't have to worry as much about how well the bra supports, just if it's the right cup size, so they can get away with one that was designed more for looks than function. Real breasts, on the other hand, are mostly fat cells, the fluid inside of which can vary. (That's one reason hormone fluctuation can change the actual size of the breasts during the month - how much water is being retained.) These fat cells are held together in a much looser formation by the skin than the fluid in the breast implants. And skin is elastic. All these factors lead to a natural breast having more give, and needing more support.

JustKia
05-24-2013, 09:43 PM
Fake boobs can hold themselves up but because nipples are so offensive women still have to wear bras, but they presumably need larger size bras to accommodate the sheer size?

Fake boobs are definitely perkier although the fluid filled implant is still held up by natural skin so I haven't figured out the logistics of why they stay up better yet -- although I think it maybe to do with them being fuller -- a surgically lifted breast can be as perky as an implant and a breast lift doesn't have to mean a reduction...

I have no problem with nipples and if my girls would stay up by themselves then I'd be more than happy to go bra-less. Are nipples offensive?

On a side note Asda (UK) are now doing a lot of their pretty bras in bigger sizes and I am one happy bunny!
Oddly a padded bra can often give greater support without making the girls look bigger and without giving you a WonderBra cleavage.

ArcticFox
05-25-2013, 01:24 AM
Jumping jacks can take a flying f^&% at a rolling doughnut. I took a class at the gym once and we had to do jumping jacks. I swear on all that is holy if looks could kill in the instructor would be dead and buried. My boobs could NOT handle it. It hurt!

wendymarlowe
05-25-2013, 09:08 AM
Another note: most women in the US are wearing the wrong bra size. This is, in part, because the "right" bra size can be really uncomfortable :-P Jen Yates of Cakewrecks has an excellent article on her other blog, Epbot, about bra sizing and fitting: http://www.epbot.com/2013/04/everything-you-never-knew-you-needed-to.html

eyeblink
05-25-2013, 11:23 AM
A close friend of mine is not especially tall (5'6", so a little over average height) but takes a 34G, the result of a narrow back. She deliberately dresses down, so T-shirts and tops, and no cleavage on display. She had long term problems finding bras which fit so spent some money and had a fitting from Rigby & Peller, the company which makes the Queen's lingerie, and bought four bras from them in the end.

Someone I used to work with (5'10"-ish and a F cup) had constant back trouble. She once talked about having a breast-reduction op, but her husband apparently objected.

lastlittlebird
05-25-2013, 03:23 PM
A couple of anecdotes, since a lot of the logistics have been covered already.
I was telling my (male) friend about how I hit a certain age and suddenly I seemed to be getting harassed by boys, who would seek me out in the school library and kind of crowd around me where I was sitting, asking what I thought were dumb/mocking questions about what I was reading... my friend speculated that they were trying to cop a feel (something that seems obvious in retrospect but didn't occur to 12 year old me). He told me that he could remember guys in his class playing oh so innocent tickling games with a girl who "blossomed" early for the same reason.

Second anecdote. I don't actually get much comment on my breasts, even though they are pretty darn huge, probably because I am built like the proverbial house and I dress down most of the time.

But does happen occasionally. When I was working in retail as a student I remember one of my supervisors was joking with the other girls, asking them teasingly about their bra sizes, and then he asked me.
I was too embarrassed to say and he kept nagging me about it for hours, trying to guess, telling me not to be such a prude. The other girls on shift joined in. It wasn't very pleasant.

Actually neither of these were necessarily because of size, but perhaps are relevant because they happened to a girl who was not confident about herself. If anyone tried something like this on me now... they would not try it twice.

Oh, and if your character is running, people will stare. Not just men, in my experience.
You have to have a lot of self confidence to run with your head held high when you've got two joyous puppies under your shirt, each trying desperately to lick your face.

The_Ink_Goddess
05-25-2013, 04:49 PM
My breasts aren't really large, but they developed early and since I'm otherwise pretty tiny it took a while for me to grow into them. So for some of my teenage years I was somewhat top-heavy.

Finding clothes was a chore. A shirt would fit length-wise in the back, but be too short in the front. Blouses wouldn't properly button in the front. Bras, ugh. I had no idea what I was doing. For a while I wore only hoodies.

Harassment: I was visibly a teenager at the time and I've always looked younger than I am, but there were still wolf-whistles, cat-calls ("I wanna rub my face in those"), people asking if they were real, people trying to rest their glasses on them, all the way to groping/sexual assault. I blamed my breasts for this and not the men who did this. I squished them into the most constricting bras I could find, not understanding that those aren't the equivalent of a proper minimizer (some things my dad just couldn't teach me). Once I even tried tying them down with duct tape. Spectacularly bad idea. Don't do this.

Do you mind telling me why it's a bad idea, asroc (or anyone else who can guess)? I can imagine it's very painful, but your comment about your dad struck a chord with me, because this character has a single dad who is very uncomfortable about the whole thing. So this is the kind of mistake she'd make.

asroc
05-25-2013, 05:00 PM
Well, for once, squishing them down is pretty painful. Also, duct tape doesn't really have any give, so it became difficult to breathe. And since it was duct tape I was having a lot of trouble getting it off again. Almost lost some skin there.

I was raised by a single father, so maybe I can help you out in that area as well. He tried his best, but he was completely out of his depth when it came to female issues.

BDSEmpire
05-26-2013, 12:11 AM
A rookie mistake is to put the tape directly onto skin. When it comes time to remove it you may find you've had an allergic reaction to the glue as an extra bonus from the pain of ripping gummy tape off your sensitive areas. The sneaky pro way to bind is to use ace bandages or some kind of undershirt that you tape over.

You can use the same trick (the second one) to build a custom fitted corset pattern on the cheap. I've helped a couple friends of mine do this. Put on a tight t-shirt, pull it down so there's no slack and let your friend tape you up. Once you are all taped and things are adjusted how you like them you cut the shirt off carefully and then section it off into pattern pieces. Your guy friend will absolutely NOT take this time to slowwwwwly tape up the front of your chest. Nope, not at all. Professionalism all the way.


Heh. Boobs.

Niiicola
05-30-2013, 10:47 PM
Hope I'm not too late with this, but I was a teen who haaaaaaaated my boobs (still pretty much do). I really wanted to be a ballerina, and growing them was pretty much the worst thing ever. I could never find a bikini that fit properly, tiny tank tops were out, halter tops: um, no. My mom had no idea what kind of bras to buy me and we ended up going to a special bra shop where a bunch of old ladies poked/measured/commented and I wanted to die of humiliation.

Let's see, what else. People hooting at you in the street when you're like 13-14 and have no idea what to do with that. If you're the kind of person who doesn't like to attract attention, it's frustrating because you basically have to wear a tent or be visually molested by random pervs. In 8th grade, a guy started a rumor that I stuffed my bra and I basically got sexually harassed every single day by boys staring at my chest and making gross comments. Oh god, I could go on a long time. Feel free to PM me if you want more specific answers.