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HarryHoskins
02-14-2013, 04:08 AM
Here (http://www.hoskinscrosswords.com/introduction.html) is a link to an in-depth cryptic crossword solving guide.

Here (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Idj4lgEhK8U/TfU1aPcKe1I/AAAAAAAAAwc/q8TY9dYc6gw/s1600/photo-723618.JPG) is a link demonstrating my competency as a crossword setter.

Here (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=262785) is a link to a previous on-site crossword (answers and workings in posts 107 & 108.)


Here is a crossword grid:


http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y395/hhmph001/cc2ag_zps189a213a.png


Here are the re-clued clues


http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y395/hhmph001/re-cluedclues_zps5168475f.png


Here are the original clues:



http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y395/hhmph001/CC2DC2_zpscd07b710.pnghttp://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y395/hhmph001/CC2DCm2_zpscecfa558.png



Here is some information:


Please feel free to complete the crossword by posting answers in this thread. I will endeavour to update the O.P grid and respond to answers at least twice daily.

I have attempted to follow Ximenes-ish rules. And when I say -ish, I mean ISH. Really it's more of an Libertarian style on account of my amateurism and lack of skill. In fact, it's uber-libertarian this time. Be aware I done me best, and me best (at this point) may be even worse than the last time.

That said, this crossword should slightly harder than the first to complete. Once again you may hindered by my poorly constructed clues, and this time I've thrown a few different types of clue into the mix. I am aware that a few (cf many) of the clues are dodgy, but I feel that's just adds to the challenge *grin*

Once again, feel free to tell me how I could've done it better/what I got wrong.


Here are some guidelines:


*Try to have fun.

*Work together or on your own.

*Bemoan the clues.

*It's encouraged (but not necessary) to parse the clues when answering. This will help me learn where I am going wrong/right.

*Discussion of clue construction is also encouraged.

*I may bump the thread occasionally if it drops off the radar, but I will let it die if no-one gives it a crack after 7 days.

*Try to have fun.


Here is a plea:


Don't shout at me too much when you find I've messed something up--instead, tell me where I went wrong.


Here is where you take over:


Good luck :)

HarryHoskins
02-15-2013, 04:35 AM
The French baby holder is designed to be seen.

HarryHoskins
02-16-2013, 03:53 AM
Lancashire Evening Post write about hobo to get headline.

HarryHoskins
02-17-2013, 01:36 AM
The result of running over a sleeping gendarme in a 2CV?

Parametric
02-17-2013, 01:57 AM
Yay! Harry brings me crosswords! :D

6 down, "continental breakfast".
22 down, "take the mickey".

HarryHoskins
02-17-2013, 02:12 AM
Ah! Nice to have you here, Para. :)


6 down, "continental breakfast[s]".
22 down, "take the mickey".

A couple of humdingers there!

Parametric
02-17-2013, 02:30 AM
27 across, "take the bull by the horns", while 27 down is something like "transformed"? :tongue Trans being the Neil Young album and the number being four/for.

edit: 29 across, "act out".

HarryHoskins
02-17-2013, 02:33 AM
27 across, "take the bull by the horns"

Rodeo queen!


... while 27 down is something like "transformed"? :tongue Trans being the Neil Young album and the number being four/for.

Something like is right. You have the first part -- but not the second, yet.


29 across, "act out".

A great performance!

Parametric
02-17-2013, 02:36 AM
Something like is right. You have the first part -- but not the second, yet.

Ah! Transfigure!

Parametric
02-17-2013, 02:40 AM
3 down, "annul". That would be cannula left accountant (take "c" and "a" off "cannula") invalid (annul).

HarryHoskins
02-17-2013, 02:45 AM
Ah! Transfigure!

Turned into the right answer!


3 down, "annul". That would be cannula left accountant (take "c" and "a" off "cannula") invalid (annul).

Spot on!

Parametric
02-17-2013, 02:47 AM
My spidey sense is thinking that 47 across may be "step forward".

Parametric
02-17-2013, 02:51 AM
Cute! 35 across is "sweet william" - that's "willie twas me" clumsily (anagram indicator) making a bloomer (a type of flower). :)

HarryHoskins
02-17-2013, 03:02 AM
My spidey sense is thinking that 47 across may be "step forward".

Your spidey sense is correct!


Cute! 35 across is "sweet william" - that's "willie twas me" clumsily (anagram indicator) making a bloomer (a type of flower). :)

Exactamundo!

(my other clue for this one was 'Kate's favourite flower' but I loved the way the other one read so I used that instead)

Parametric
02-17-2013, 10:30 PM
Still just me? OK, let's continue. :D

40 across, "icier". More frozen (icier) "rice I" cooked (anagram indicator).
44 across, "unknown". Alien (unknown) movie (several movies called Unknown).
30 down, "uttermost". It's a hidden word! I love hidden words. Stonecutter mostly does his best. :D

Parametric
02-17-2013, 10:36 PM
I'm convinced that 24 down, "fire axe", is a double meaning with the solution being a word that means to be sacked from work - ie to be both "fired" and "axed". But my spidey sense is suggesting that 31 across ends in an f, which makes 24 down **y*f*. That doesn't look very likely ... /ponders

edit: Oh! I've got it! 24 down is "layoff", so 31 across is indeed "sharif", the descendants of Fatimah.

Parametric
02-17-2013, 10:43 PM
Still putting all the pieces together, but I'm thinking 37 across is "hitherto".

Parametric
02-17-2013, 10:49 PM
39 down, "triple". Let rip (anagram = triple) magic to make (anagram indicator?) a hat-trick (triple).

Parametric
02-17-2013, 11:00 PM
And for my next trick, 34 down, "virginia". It's a double meaning: Golden Virginia, a type of tobacco; the state of Virginia.

mccardey
02-17-2013, 11:14 PM
Dammit Para - I just worked out three and found you'd solved them already.

Tell me which ones you haven't solved. I won't solve them either, but I can worry over them while I'm asleep...

mccardey
02-17-2013, 11:17 PM
Have you done 45 across?

Parametric
02-17-2013, 11:18 PM
Sorry! :( I thought it was just me playing. I'll stop.

mccardey
02-17-2013, 11:21 PM
Sorry! :( I thought it was just me playing. I'll stop.

Don't be silly! I love a race :) :Hug2:

Parametric
02-17-2013, 11:24 PM
Have you done 45 across?

I am bamboozled, befuddled and bemused by 45 across. I've got nothing. :D

mccardey
02-17-2013, 11:27 PM
31 ac - might be Sharif, which is the name given to decendents of Fatimah? Maybe?

mccardey
02-17-2013, 11:54 PM
23 ac = little (first letter of the words)

21 ac = nattier (even letters)


ETA: Para!! Come back!!


ETA2: Harry - thanks for this. I won't be back till next Sunday night :( (deadline).

HarryHoskins
02-18-2013, 12:15 AM
40 across, "icier". More frozen (icier) "rice I" cooked (anagram indicator).
44 across, "unknown". Alien (unknown) movie (several movies called Unknown).
30 down, "uttermost". It's a hidden word! I love hidden words. Stonecutter mostly does his best. :D

Three in a row!


I'm convinced that 24 down, "fire axe", is a double meaning with the solution being a word that means to be sacked from work - ie to be both "fired" and "axed". But my spidey sense is suggesting that 31 across ends in an f, which makes 24 down **y*f*. That doesn't look very likely ... /ponders

edit: Oh! I've got it! 24 down is "layoff", so 31 across is indeed "sharif", the descendants of Fatimah.

A double whammy! Nice working.


Still putting all the pieces together, but I'm thinking 37 across is "hitherto".

Close, but no cigar.


39 down, "triple". Let rip (anagram = triple) magic to make (anagram indicator?) a hat-trick (triple).

Magic!


And for my next trick, 34 down, "virginia". It's a double meaning: Golden Virginia, a type of tobacco; the state of Virginia.

Smokin' !


I am bamboozled, befuddled and bemused by 45 across. I've got nothing. :D

45a is either a really great clue, or an awful one. You'll all be able to tell me when you get it which it was.


23 ac = little (first letter of the words)

21 ac = nattier (even letters)


ETA: Para!! Come back!!

Mccardey! Glad you made it (I figured you were busy from your user title) I reckon if you don't have much time for this one, another will be along in a few weeks. :)

A great return with a perfect double!

Parametric
02-18-2013, 12:29 AM
Close, but no cigar.

You challenge me, sir? Take two - 37 across, "hereunto". Up to now (hereunto) Hungarian leader (H)'s hesitation (er) met with European Union (EU)'s veto (to) - at the centre of which lay surface tension, which according to google is measured in units of N/m.

Parametric
02-18-2013, 12:32 AM
23 ac = little (first letter of the words)

21 ac = nattier (even letters)

Awesome! I rarely spot the ones where you take a letter from each word - and the even letter ones are even harder to see. :D

HarryHoskins
02-18-2013, 12:37 AM
You challenge me, sir? Take two - 37 across, "hereunto". Up to now (hereunto) Hungarian leader (H)'s hesitation (er) met with European Union (EU)'s veto (to) - at the centre of which lay surface tension, which according to google is measured in units of N/m.

I stand defeated! Nice work.

I used the same working until the end -- Veto (no) at the centre of which (positional indicator) surface tension (T -- the surface of Tension)

Parametric
02-18-2013, 12:42 AM
A stand defeated! Nice work.

I used the same working until the end -- Veto (no) at the centre of which (positional indicator) surface tension (T -- the surface of Tension)

I have to confess that I use a brute-force method of crossword solving, which is to find the simple solution first and then see if I can puzzle out the cryptic part. It's not terribly elegant and it does result in the occasional mistake. I must hang my head. :tongue

16 across, "cleft". Crack (simple solution = cleft) cocaine (c) - it's not right (left).

HarryHoskins
02-18-2013, 12:47 AM
I have to confess that I use a brute-force method of crossword solving, which is to find the simple solution first and then see if I can puzzle out the cryptic part. It's not terribly elegant and it does result in the occasional mistake. I must hang my head. :tongue

No head hanging needed, that's about the way I do it too. And maybe that's why 45a is giving you a hard time (temporarily, I'm sure). I've tried to make the definition indicators a little more tricky in this crossword. In doing so I might be treading a tenuous line, but I got to make you suffer for the answers somehow! :)


16 across, "cleft". Crack (simple solution = cleft) cocaine (c) - it's not right (left).

Perfectly split answer!

Parametric
02-21-2013, 05:01 PM
:Huh: This crossword is completely stumping me at the moment. All I've got is 1 across, "sympathetic".

mirandashell
02-21-2013, 05:04 PM
Ack! I only just found this and I had great fun with the last one.

I shall have to wait until I get home to try it so leave me some clues!

mirandashell
02-21-2013, 05:06 PM
I just clicked on the link to the crossword clues. Is it broken?

Parametric
02-21-2013, 05:06 PM
It's all working!

HarryHoskins
02-21-2013, 05:56 PM
:Huh: This crossword is completely stumping me at the moment.

Surely not. :)


All I've got is 1 across, "sympathetic".

Kind of you to get the correct answer!

HarryHoskins
02-21-2013, 05:58 PM
I just clicked on the link to the crossword clues. Is it broken?

The grid and the clues are in the thread (should be displayed as an image). If you can't see them when you get home, I'll post the clues as text in the thread as well.

Let me know, and glad you could join us, Miranda. :)

NinaK
02-21-2013, 06:00 PM
Is 46 across-

egyptians

Parametric
02-21-2013, 06:15 PM
Is 46 across-

egyptians

It seems like the only word that could possibly fit there, but I can't figure out why they're historically shady. :Huh:

HarryHoskins
02-21-2013, 06:28 PM
Is 46 across-

egyptians

Nice asp, Nina!


It seems like the only word that could possibly fit there, but I can't figure out why they're historically shady. :Huh:

My working is:

Historically good with shady schemes.

A pyramid scheme is a shady (as in not Kosher) con-trick.

Also, Pyramids are big, Egypt is sunny, and the Great Pyramid was used as a sundial.

The people who were historically good with Pyramids were the Egyptians.

Phew! (I did say I went a bit tenuous here and there) :)

NinaK
02-22-2013, 04:50 PM
26D= shatterproof (go to pieces is to shatter and scientific evidence is proof)
41A= grief (stick through heart would hurt)

I'm not too sure of this one.

33D= trolleyed (choo choo is a trolley)

HarryHoskins
02-22-2013, 11:34 PM
26D= shatterproof ...
41A= grief ...

Two for two! :)


I'm not too sure of this one.

33D= trolleyed (choo choo is a trolley)

But not third time lucky. :(

mirandashell
02-23-2013, 12:10 AM
7 across - manganese?

HarryHoskins
02-23-2013, 12:17 AM
7 across - manganese?

I see how you got there, but it's not right -- I should add that 7 across is one of the three hardest clues in the game. :)

mirandashell
02-23-2013, 12:19 AM
25 across - verges

mirandashell
02-23-2013, 12:23 AM
28 down - hedge?

mirandashell
02-23-2013, 12:30 AM
32 across - tidings?

HarryHoskins
02-23-2013, 12:35 AM
25 across - verges

Yep!



28 down - hedge?

Double yep!


32 across - tidings?

Super-dooper triple yep!

mirandashell
02-23-2013, 12:41 AM
Yeh!

Parametric
02-23-2013, 12:42 AM
32 across, "tidings"! :D It's an odd-letter solution from "tried air no gust" with the meaning being "this is the news".

Parametric
02-23-2013, 12:42 AM
32 across - tidings?

Dammit! :tongue :D

Parametric
02-23-2013, 12:43 AM
Does that make 33 down "spoonfeed"? In which case 45 across is looking more and more like "insupportable"?

mirandashell
02-23-2013, 12:44 AM
Oh good shot!

Parametric
02-23-2013, 12:46 AM
I'm going to sidle out on a limb and suggest Namibia as the country of 38 down.

HarryHoskins
02-23-2013, 01:11 AM
Does that make 33 down "spoonfeed"? In which case 45 across is looking more and more like "insupportable"?

That's some nice work right there, both correct!


I'm going to sidle out on a limb and suggest Namibia as the country of 38 down.

The sidling is effective!

Parametric
02-23-2013, 01:23 AM
4 down, "heavyhearted". An anagram of "advert yeah he" meaning "felt awful about it". :D

HarryHoskins
02-23-2013, 01:44 AM
4 down, "heavyhearted". An anagram of "advert yeah he" meaning "felt awful about it". :D

Nothing to be depressed about here!

mirandashell
02-23-2013, 01:47 AM
10 down - soldering iron

HarryHoskins
02-23-2013, 01:50 AM
10 down - soldering iron

Hot stuff, Miranda!

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 01:51 AM
I can't believe I stumped everyone -- I mean, I know some a lot of the clues are a little torturous in their construction (not to mention a little dodgy) but it can't be true that y'all are stuck, can it?

mccardey
02-26-2013, 01:52 AM
42 ac repairman?

43 d inter ?

Have these been found already?

Parametric
02-26-2013, 01:55 AM
I think my head will explode before I crack this crossword, but let me take another shot. :tongue 9 down, "reticence".

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 01:59 AM
Ah, Mccardey and Para to the rescue! :)


42 ac repairman?

43 d inter ?

Have these been found already?

Nope they'e not been found, and yup, you hit two for two, nice work!



I think my head will explode before I crack this crossword, but let me take another shot. :tongue 9 down, "reticence".

No head exploding allowed on my watch -- bullseye!

mccardey
02-26-2013, 02:03 AM
19 ac transplanting? Oh no - it doesn't fit :(

mccardey
02-26-2013, 02:08 AM
11d strategists?

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 02:10 AM
11d strategists?

That's some damn nice moves, Mccardey!

mccardey
02-26-2013, 02:13 AM
Para - 19ac? I think it might be re: something: ing. I was thinking it was about the adoption group and the heart transplant dr.

mccardey
02-26-2013, 02:22 AM
Para - 19ac? I think it might be re: something: ing. I was thinking it was about the adoption group and the heart transplant dr.

reimplanting?

maybe?

not even sure it's a word...?

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 02:27 AM
reimplanting?

maybe?

not even sure it's a word...?

It might be a word, but it's not the word I am looking for -- you are on the right tracks with what both doctors are famous for though (well, with a little cryptic thinking). :)

Parametric
02-26-2013, 02:28 AM
Agree with your logic, but am also stumped for the word itself. :Huh:

mccardey
02-26-2013, 02:36 AM
it could be heart-hunting if it was two words... my heads going to fall off in a minute

mccardey
02-26-2013, 02:40 AM
heartmending? heartrending??

Parametric
02-26-2013, 02:41 AM
Heartrending?

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 02:43 AM
Double Trouble! :)


heartmending? heartrending??


Heartrending?

Double points! :)

mccardey
02-26-2013, 02:45 AM
Whoa! Para - we're good !!! :)

It's quarter to midnight here and ffffreeezing. I'm off to bed (and I'll be trying to work out where mutilating heads comes in all night. 13 ac grrrr Thanks for that, Harry ;)

Parametric
02-26-2013, 02:52 AM
Ha! 5 down, "timing". :D

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 02:54 AM
Apologies for the potential nightmares, Mccardey. :)

Parametric
02-26-2013, 02:54 AM
I'm going to inch out on that limb again and suggest that 12 across is "calendar month".

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 02:54 AM
Ha! 5 down, "timing". :D

Super-dooper nice moves, Para!!!

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 02:55 AM
I'm going to inch out on that limb again and suggest that 12 across is "calendar month".

The limb can take it, that's spot on and very well played!

mirandashell
02-26-2013, 03:09 AM
I'm here!

36 down - laities?

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 03:17 AM
I'm here!

36 down - laities?

Now that, Miranda, is very, very nice work indeed! Gold star! :)

mirandashell
02-26-2013, 03:20 AM
I'm stuck now.....

HarryHoskins
02-26-2013, 03:23 AM
I'm stuck now.....

Well, consider it a well deserved rest -- I wasn't sure laities would be got, you know.

HarryHoskins
02-28-2013, 03:55 AM
I do declare that some of the remaining clues are badly constructed -- should I tweak the clues a little?

mirandashell
02-28-2013, 02:31 PM
It might help. Have to admit I'm totally stuck on the remaining clues. So is OH ...

:flag:

mccardey
02-28-2013, 02:47 PM
It might help. Have to admit I'm totally stuck on the remaining clues. So is OH ...

:flag:

Me, too :flag:

Parametric
02-28-2013, 03:14 PM
I do declare that some of the remaining clues are badly constructed -- should I tweak the clues a little?

I'd be up for that! :D

HarryHoskins
02-28-2013, 03:20 PM
Okay, will have something down for tonight. :)

mccardey
02-28-2013, 04:17 PM
Is 7d scholar?

HarryHoskins
02-28-2013, 05:29 PM
Is 7d scholar?

A learned answer, Mccardey!

HarryHoskins
02-28-2013, 05:30 PM
Here are the re-clued clues:

http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y395/hhmph001/re-cluedclues_zps5168475f.png

I've added them to the OP, and left the originals there so you can see where I was going wrong. As usual feel free to point out/discuss my mistakes.

Apologies for the both old and new clues -- some of them are rather tough to make work. (Especially when I dropped a Dan Quayle in 1 Down) :)

mccardey
02-28-2013, 05:32 PM
A learned answer, Mccardey!

then 8d is literary?

which makes 13 ac titular which is my favourite clue. :)

Parametric
02-28-2013, 05:45 PM
OK, I'm stealing all the clues so let me white it out so people can continue:

14 across, "himalayan".
7 across, "solarises"
15 across, "inlet"

Parametric
02-28-2013, 05:46 PM
Ah! 1 down, "saccharin", a sweetener and anagram of "cash in car".

I thought for ages that 20 down (body/carver) must be "plough", as in a carver of the earth also found in a heavenly body, and the new clue confirms it.

mirandashell
02-28-2013, 06:26 PM
15 across is idler?

mirandashell
02-28-2013, 06:28 PM
Is 18 d waist?

mirandashell
02-28-2013, 06:30 PM
14 a is Himalayan?

Harry, did you take pity on us all? LOL!

Parametric
02-28-2013, 06:38 PM
Is 18 d waist?

That matches the new clue exactly, but what on earth does that have to do with Tolkien's friend's land? Was TS Eliot a friend of Tolkien? I went straight to CS Lewis' Narnia.

That must make 17 across "renowned". So the last clue is 2 down?

2 down. A strong-boned bastard's father. (7) m*l*m*n

mirandashell
02-28-2013, 06:40 PM
I know. I'm getting the answers but can't relate them to the old clues.

Parametric
02-28-2013, 06:47 PM
I think it might be via TS Eliot's The Waste Land. I hadn't heard that TS Eliot and Tolkien were friends, but that could just be my lack of education. :D

HarryHoskins
02-28-2013, 11:38 PM
then 8d is literary?

which makes 13 ac titular which is my favourite clue. :)

Double Whammy!


OK, I'm stealing all the clues so let me white it out so people can continue:

14 across, "himalayan".
7 across, "solarises"
15 across, "inlet"

One short of a hatrick!


Ah! 1 down, "saccharin", a sweetener and anagram of "cash in car".

Sweet!

I thought for ages that 20 down (body/carver) must be "plough", as in a carver of the earth also found in a heavenly body, and the new clue confirms it.

You're a star[s]!


15 across is idler?

No flies on you!


Is 18 d waist?

Flat-out right!



That must make 17 across "renowned".

Right on!


Only one more to go (and you'll never guess what) it's not the best clued of clues even though I re-clued it! :)

HarryHoskins
03-01-2013, 12:04 AM
I know. I'm getting the answers but can't relate them to the old clues.

As usual, I'll give the clue parsings (and a little more in-depth workings this time) when the xword is complete so you can see where I was going wrong. :)

In the meantime, I will say:


I think it might be via TS Eliot's The Waste Land. I hadn't heard that TS Eliot and Tolkien were friends, but that could just be my lack of education. :D

Yup, was the Wasteland.

The old clue for this was a little dodgy because I wanted to make the middle girth/middle earth pun so the clue was more interesting. Because of that, I had to include Tolkien, and the easiest way for me to do that (but the surely the most tortuously bad for you guys) was to link him another literary figure. My Google Fu brought up (maybe tenuous) links that Tolkien and Elliot were friends and members of a Christian writers group (not the Inklings) so that was good enough for me.

In doing this, the clue became a triple definition clue (which probably made things harder) and also Tolkien's closer/more documented friendship with C.S.Lewis became a red herring. The red herring, I think, hurt the clue and made it a little unfair. I would love to hear all of your thoughts about that as discussing the clue construction and what is allowed/fair/acceptable (or just plain wrong) would really help me to make better clues.

As I said, I'll give full parsings/working when the grid is complete.

Only one more to go now! :)

mccardey
03-01-2013, 12:19 AM
Only one more to go now! :)

Got it! milkman

Gorgeous clue, Harry :)

HarryHoskins
03-01-2013, 12:29 AM
Got it! milkman

Gorgeous clue, Harry :)


http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y395/hhmph001/ccomplete_zps171548b9.png


Thanks again to everyone who took part, and apologies again for me bad clues. I'll put up the full workings either later tonight or tomorrow evening. In the meantime, feel free to congratulates yourselves and discuss the clues.

If anyone fancies stepping forward to set the next one, that would be great. If not, I'll do another one in a couple of weeks (unless that is too soon). :)

Parametric
03-01-2013, 12:46 AM
Ah! Milkman! One of those clues that makes perfect sense in retrospect. :D

mccardey
03-01-2013, 12:48 AM
So much fun, Harry - thank you, thank you. I really love your xwords! :Hug2:

mirandashell
03-01-2013, 01:07 AM
Nice one, Harry! Thanks, that was great fun.

Parametric
03-01-2013, 01:09 AM
Yes! I love your crosswords. Thanks very much for entertaining us again. :D

HarryHoskins
03-01-2013, 04:23 AM
Aw, fanks, y'all. :)

Here are the across parsings -- feel free to discuss, shout, and tear to pieces (it's the only way I'll get better, you know)!


Across

1a: Sympathetic [Combi]

Good-hearted setter turned after helper died - so sad.

Good-hearted [definition] setter [MYSELF & reversal/subtractor target] turned after [reversal indicator & when to turn indicator] helper [ELF] died [subtractor indicator] - so sad. [PATHETIC]

Further info:

Dodgy/torturous subtractor?



7a: Solarises [Cryptic Charade]

A Green man's day: gets up, turns red!

A Green man's day [SOL = a Martian day] gets up [ARISES] turns red [definition] ![difficuly/dodginess indicator]

Further info:

To get the definition, one must imagine a green man turning red. The negative of green is red, therefore he solarises. Quite dodgy, I think you'll agree -- or do you?



ALT: Solarises [Anagram]

Overexposes ass or lies raunchily.

Overexposes [definition] ass or lies [amagram fodder] raunchily [anagram indicator]

Further Info:

Not sure it really makes sense as a sentence, but hey, it sounds good.



12a: Calendar Month [Combi]

Backward money man said, 'Money, man, is time. Period!'

Backward [reversal indicator] money man [AC = trad xword abbriev for accountant & reversal target] said [homophone indicator] Money man [LENDER/LENDAR & homophone target] is time [MONTH] Period [definition]



13a: Titular [Combi]

Doctor avoided becoming mutilator of the head.

Doctor [MO = medical officer & subtractor fodder] avoided [subtractor indicator] becoming [anagram indicator] mutilator [anagram fodder & subtractor target] of the head [definition]

Further info:

Becoming isn't the best anagram indicator & does the subtraction work? The doctor avoided the mutilator not the becoming. Hmmm ...



ALT: Titular [Combi]

Weird ritualist is not concerned with the head.

Weird [anagram indicator] ritualist [anagram fodder & subtrator target] is [subtractor fodder] not [subtractor indicator] concerned with the head [definition]



14a: Himalayan [Combi]

From on high, God proclaimed Self an unknown quantity and finally disappeared.

From on high [definition] God [HIM] proclaimed [homophone indicator] Self [ALLAH/ALA & homophone target] an unknown quantity [Y = unknown quantity in maths] and finally disappeared [AN = the final of and (D) disappears]

Further info:

To get the Self, one has to link it to God -- I do capitalise Self, but is this enough. Also, does Allah work as a homophone for ALA in this context? Furthermore, the end of this clue is clunky: does 'and finally disapearred' really suggest the 'D' of 'and' has to go? I dunno!



ALT: Himalayan [Combi]

Malayan gets behind friendly greeting for one from the peaks.

Malayan [MALAYAN & positional target] gets behind [positional indicator] friendly greeting [HI] for [definition indicator] one from the peaks [definition]



15a: Idler [Container]

One who will never make runs regularly baits dull opener.

One who will never make runs [definition] regularly [container indicator = answer will be found at regular intervals (in this case every thrid letter)] ba[I]ts [D]ul[L] op[E]ne[R] [container target]

Further info:

I think I stand by this clue, let me know if you think it dodgy.



ALT: Idler [anagram]

Alarm riled late riser.

Alarm [anagram indicator] riled [anagram fodder] late riser [definition]




16a: Cleft [Charade]

Crack cocaine - it's not right.

Crack [definition] cocaine [C] it's not right [LEFT]



17a: Renowned [Dodgy cryptic homophone]

Famous city changed name, we hear.

Famous [definition] city changed name [Re-nouned/renowned & homophone target] we hear [homophone indicator]

Further Info:

Okay, I put my hands up. This is a really dodgy clue. I think RE-NOUNED is a neologism. That said, it sorta works, but it is pretty damn cryptic for a homophone, if not totally unfair. Any thoughts?



ALT: Renowned [Combi]

Famous soldier now meets bad end.

Famous [definition] soldier [RE = royal engineer] now [NOW] meets [positional indicator] bad [anagram indicator] end [anagram fodder]



19a: Heartrending [Cryptic]

Procedure Doctors Barnardo and Barnard were adept at.

Barnardo known for tugging at your heart with adverts of little orphans. Barnard known for heart transplants.



21a: Nattier [Odd/Even]

Even enrapt stoic earl's more rakish.

Even [even indicator = look for even letters to get answer] e[N]r[A]p[T] s[T]o[I]c [E]a[R]l's [even fodder] more rakish [definition]

Further Info:

I didn't like this clue because it isn't really a complete sentence -- yes, you could say this about a lot of my clues, but this one in particular made me shudder.



23a: Little [Initialism]

At first light, investigators thought their leads explained not a lot.

At first [initial indicator = one must take the first letters to find the answer] [L]ight [I]nvestigators [T]hought [T]heir [L]eads [E]xplained [initial fodder] not a lot [definition]



25a: Verges [Container]

Some clever Gestapo are shooting borders.

Some [container indicator] cle[VER GES]estapo [container fodder] are [definition indicator] shooting borders [definition]



27a: Take the bull by the horns [Crypticy charade]

Tackle problem to avoid ruining a Communist's enterprise.

Tackle problem [definition] to avoid ruining a Communist's enterprise [stop the bull in the China Shop]



29a: Act Out [Cryptic]

Way to get a charade clue?

The diversion here is to make you think of a charade crossword clue rather than a charade (body language game) clue.



31a: Sharif [Cryptic]

Descended from Fatimah, but not a Javelin.

Playing with Fatimah Whitbred as diversion to make you think it is not as straightforward as it seems.



32a: Tidings [odd/Even]

This is the news: Tried air? No gust? Odd.

This is the news [definition] [T]r[I]e[D] a[I]r [N]o [G]u[S]t [odd indicator fodder] Odd [odd letter indicator]



35a: Sweet William [anagram]

Willie, 'twas me clumsily making a bloomer!

Willie, 'twas me [anagram fodder] clumsily [anagram indicator] making [definition indicator] a bloomer [definition]



37a: Hereunto [charade]

Up to now, Hungarian leader's hesitation met with European Union's veto -- at the centre of which lay surface tension.

Up to now [definition] Hungarian leader's [H = the leader of Hungarian] hesitation [ER] met with [positional indicator] European Union's [EU] veto [NO & addition target] -- at the centre of which lay [positional indicator for addition] surface tension [T = the surface of Tension & additional fodder]

Further Info:

Pretty clunky at the end with the addition.



40a: Icier [anagram]

More frozen rice I cooked.

More frozen [definition] rice I [anagram fodder] cooked [anagram indicator]



41a: Grief [double definition]

Stick pierces the heart.

Stick [definition = giving someone grief as in hassel is also giving someone stick] pierces the heart [definition]

Further Info:

My sister (a Times crossword afficiando) disliked 'pierces the heart' as a definition. I thought it was alright (because it was a double definition clue). Whaddya reckon?



42a: Repairman [container]

Plumber held by bizarre pair with manacles.

Plumber [defintion] held by [container indicator] bizar[RE PAIR] [container fodder] with [positional indicator] [MAN]acles [container fodder]



44: Unknown [double definition]

Alien movie.

Alien [definition] movie [definition]

Further Info:

I should've gone with Parametrics 'Alien Movies' as the plural is accurate and disguises the double definition better.



45a: Insupportable [combi]

Home delivery firm mistakenly deliver to drunk seaman (he was totally legless!)

Home [IN = trad xword shorthand] delivery firm mistakenly [anagram indicator] deliver to [positional indicator] drunk [PORT = a drunk drink] seaman [ABLE = trad xword shorthand] (he was totally legless!) [dodgy definition]

Further Info:

A couple of things here:

Port = Drunk (tenuous?)

He was totally legless - is the 'he was' superfluous and unfairly misleading?



[U]46a: Egyptians [Cryptic]

Historically good with shady schemes?

Shady schemes = Pyramid scheme con tricks & Pyramids used as sundials. Egyptians are historially known for pyramids.



47a: Step Forward [Charade]

Volunteer for central Russian airbase guard.

Volunteer [definition] for [FOR = positional fodder] central [positional indicator] Russian airbase [STEP] guard [WARD]

Further Info:

Dodgy positional indicator?

Step (too obscure? or is it fair to send you to google?)



And that's all the across clues folks, the down will follow tomorrow. :)

HarryHoskins
03-02-2013, 05:03 AM
Here be the down clue parsings. :)


Down


1d: Saccharin[e] [Combi]

Sickly pleb fired during Special Branch fiasco.

Sickly [definition - incorrect due to my bad spelling] pleb [subtractor fodder] fired during [subtractor indicator and director] Special Branch [subtractor target & anagram fodder] fiasco [anagram indicator]

Further Info:

TOTAL CALAMITY! Dan Quayle would be proud! I can only offer apology after apology for this as I clued it for Saccharin with a E and not without. Furthermore, the 'during' after fired is so clunky, awful and counter-intuitive that I have given myself 50 lashes in penance. Again, sorry if I wasted your time with this clue.



ALT: Saccharin [anagram]

Maybe cash in car is a sweetener?

Maybe [anagram indicator] cash in car [anagram fodder] is a sweetener [definition]



2d: Milkman [cryptic]

Some poor bastard's father

Attempted to make you think of who is a bastard's father. Traditionally, a milkman is a likely cuckhold.

Further Info:

Whilst I think some clues should be difficult (and their getting should depend on letters from other clues) -- this, as was, is far too tough. Also, I threw in the 'some' red herring to make you think it was a container clue. Furthermore, the 'poor', even in a cryptic, is pretty superfluous.

All in all, not the best of clues, but, as I have mentioned, it does raise the question: Should some clues be so hard that other letters are required to aid in their solving? What do you all think?



ALT: Milkman [cryptic]

A strong-boned bastard's father?

Changed the clue to give double leads to the answer. Stong-boned should send you to calcium and milk, whilst the likely father of a bastard is the trad cuckhold, a milkman.

Further info:

Fair or still to tough?



3d: Annul [subtractor]

Cannula left accountant invalid.

Cannula [subtractor target] left [subtractor indicator] accountant [AC & subtractor fodder] invalid [definition]

Further info:

I don't think the clue works grammatically.



4d: Heavyhearted [combi]

Unhappy advert? Yeah, he felt awful about it.

Unhappy [definition & anagram indicator] advert? Yeah, he [anagram fodder] felt awful about it [defintion]

Further info:

Sentence is a bit senseless.



5d: Timing [combi]

Tousle-haired warbler on gin cocktail discovers the key to ... comedy.

Tousle-haired warbler [TIM minchin] on [positional indicator] gin [anagram fodder] cocktail [anagram indicator] discovers [definition indicator] the key to ... comedy [definition]

Further info:

The Tim Minchin connection is a little vague, I hoped that the comedy would lead you to him, but it's somewhat tenuous.



6d: Continental Breakfasts [cryptic]

A few early rolls in a European hotel?

A few early rolls in a European hotel?

As usual, I try to get your minds into the gutter to avoid the obvious. I prolly should've added some sausage meat in there too.



7d: Scholar [charade]

Wrapping slight break in tissue is medically wise.

Wrapping [positional indicator] slight break [HOL = slight holiday & positional fodder] in [positional indicator] tissue [SCAR = type of tissue] is medically wise [definition]

Further Info:

Problems with 'slight break' should really be 'short break'. Does it work though? Hmmm. Also, whilst 'is medically wise' as the definition works for the clue, it is a little tenuous as a definition itself.



8d: Literary [anagram]

Criticism - rarely it's senseless.

Criticism [definition] rarely it [anagram fodder] 's [is contraction] senseless [anagram indicator]

Further Info:

I've used contractions before to misdirect and deceive, but this is the first time I used it in an anagram. Is it fair? As is, the clue makes you think that the s after the apostrophe is part of the anagram fodder -- but, it's actually just a contraction of 'is senseless'. I'm not sure whether this is fair play, any thoughts?

Also, I think senseless is a weak anagram indicator.



ALT: Literary

Criticism - rarely it is wrong.

Criticism [definition] rarely it [anagram fodder] is wrong [anagram indicator]



9d: Reticence [double definition]

Unwillingness to show reserve.

Unwillingness [definition] to show reserve [definition]



10d: Soldering Iron [combi]

Stupidly soldiering on at the end of war is not cool.

Stupidly [anagram indicator] soldiering on [anagram fodder] at the end of war [R = letter at the end of wa[R] & anagram fodder] is not cool [definition]

Further info:

I think I can get away with the additional R being included into the anagram without an addition indicator (though it is a little dodgy). The real question I have is about the definition.

As I have said before, I would argue that some clues need to be a little dependent on getting letters to aid solving them. Therefore, the vague definition 'is not cool' works to help you know you have the answer once you get enough letters, rather than solidly giving it. Is this fair? What do you think?



11d: Strategists [Charade]

A guitar, for example, is the top self-starter for forward thinking players.

A guitar [STRAT] for example [EG] is [IS] the top [T = the top of [T]he] self-starter [S = the starter of [S]elf] for [definition indicator] forward thinking players [definition]



18d: Waist [combi]

Sounds like Tolkien's friend's land is middle girth.

Sounds like [homophone indicator] Tolkien's friend's land [WASTE/WAISTland & homophone target & definition] is [definition indicator] middle [definition] girth [definition]

Further info:

I went into detail about this in a previous post, but, further to that, it can definitely be accused of being convoluted at the very least.



ALT: Waist [double definition]

A band has got guts behind it.

A band [definition] has got guts behind it [definition]



20d: Plough [double definition]

Body Carver

Body [definition] Carver [definition]

Further Info:

I think I stand by this clue. Saying that, my sister (her of the Times afficiandodom) thought it not clear enough. We got into a conversation about A: Not enough definition for a celestial body -- and B: a plough turns earth rather than carves it.

Again, I'd argue that a double definition gives two shots at the answer and therefore can require a little more lateral thinking. Also, a plough does carve as well as turn, so there, Sis! What does anybody else think on the matter?



ALT: Plough [double definition]

Tool found in the heavens.

Tool [defintion] found in the heavens [defintion]



22d: Take the Mickey [double defintition]

Steal monkey to extract urine.

Steal monkey [definition = Take the Mickey (Dolenz)] to extract urine [definition]

Further Info:

Question about capitalisation. To mislead, I didn't capitalise 'Monkey', fair or unfair? Any opinions?



24d: Layoff [double defintiton]

Fire axe.

Fire [defintion] axe [defintion]



26d: Shatterproof [charade]

Unable to go to pieces, an insane chap protects himself with endless scientific evidence.

Unable to go to pieces [defintion] an insane chap [HATTER = mad hatter] protects himself with [positional indicator - hatter shelters between the next two parts of the clue] endless [S = the end of less[S]] scientific evidence [PROOF]



27d: Transfigure [charade]

Change number at the end of a Neil Young album.

Change [definition] number [FIGURE] at the end of [positional indicator] a Neil Young album [TRANS]

Further info:

The positional indicator may be a little dodgy. As this is a down clue, it should indicate below, but I figured that 'at the end of' would be ok because track listings are listed vertically. Still, not perfect, but maybe excusable?



28d: Hedge [double definition]

Barrier to guard against loss.

Barrier [defintion] to guard against loss [To HEDGE ones bets = defintion]



30d: Uttermost [container]

Stonecutter mostly does his best.

Stonecly [container fodder & container indicator (mostly)] does his best [definition]

Further info:

A little dodgy as I include the container indicator in the fodder, but hey, I gots to play nasty sometimes!



[U]33d: Spoonfeed [cryptic]

Deliver by Choo-choo?

Trying to get the image of a mother feeding a child, here come the choo-choo!



34d: Virginia [double definition]

Golden state.

Golden [definition] state [definition]

Further info:

A little shady due to the Golden Virginia tobacco reference, but I left it in because it misdirects the solver to California.



36d: Laities [charade]

The French sex appeal? That's the premier stimulant for common people.

The French [LA] sex appeal [IT = trad xword shorthand] That's [IE = that is] the premier stimulant [S = the premier letter of [S]timulant] for [definition indicator] common people [definition]

Further info:

I probably should've said 'the French female' to get 'La' but I think if you go down that route you make things very tough on yourself as a setter.



38d: Namibia [combi]

Country fella climbed rocky island without a single rest.

Country [definition] fella [MAN & reversal target] climbed [reversal indicator] rocky island [IBIZA & subtractor target] without [subtractor indicator] a single rest [Z = Zzzzz]



39d: Triple [anagram]

Let rip magic to make a close-up hat trick.

Let rip [anagram fodder] magic [anagram indicator] to make a [defintion indicator] close-up [definition positioner (put hat and trick together) hat trick [defintiion]

Further Info:

I'm not sure playing with the definition (having the solver move the two words together) is Kosher, but it seemed to work in the context of the clue.



43d: Inter [cryptic]

What one could also do to Saint Edmund's skull? (5)

Works on the skull being the head of St Edmunds (BURY St Edumnds) and also leading you to think bout death. After that it's a simple synonym for bury.

Further Info:

Might've been better if I'd added 'missing' in front of skull.


So, that's about all folks. :)

Please comment, discuss and berate the clues if you feel that way inclined. It will certainly help me to get better as a setter and save you all some frustration in the process!

It'd be great if someone fancies stepping up to set the next crossword, but if no-one does, I'll do another one in a couple of weeks. Thanks again to everyone who took part and well done for wrestling with my clues (especially the really bad ones). :)