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butterfly
02-04-2013, 09:22 PM
Many people believe in the muse, affirmations, words of wisdom, amulets, good luck charms. Taking it a bit further, do you believe spirits of those who you knew or Angels or gods, goddesses, can be summoned at your request? Do you believe this is separate from religion?


Mods - I have no idea where this should go.

Shadow_Ferret
02-04-2013, 09:26 PM
Is this a writing question?

NeuroFizz
02-04-2013, 11:23 PM
Obviously, Ferret is not qualified to answer...

Layla Nahar
02-05-2013, 07:11 AM
Oh. Sorry I missed it before it was deleted. I'm trying to divine the original question now.

Yes. Yes, candles. Candles do well, lit under the light of a waning gibbous moon. The Valley of the Jackals is very far from where I am, so I try to use the fireplace instead.

buz
02-05-2013, 07:52 AM
Candles are fine things. All the drama and nice smell of fire, but with the civilized pleasantry of staying confined to a small area of wick. And the fragrances they impregnate the wax with!

Writelock
02-05-2013, 07:53 AM
Damn, task thread looked interesting. Perhaps we could conjure it back?

Karen Junker
02-05-2013, 07:57 AM
Rats. Finally, a thread for which I am qualified to respond and it gets deleted.

Writelock
02-05-2013, 10:22 PM
Rats. Finally, a thread for which I am qualified to respond and it gets deleted.


O.o. You have my attention, expound.

butterfly
02-06-2013, 05:56 PM
okay - it's back. Check initial post.

Buffysquirrel
02-06-2013, 05:58 PM
Not sure I believe in the muse really. It's just a convenient word that represents 'that thing that drives you to write' aka the voices in my head.

Do not believe in any of the other stuff, no. And I don't see how you can separate angels, gods or goddesses from religion.

lolchemist
02-06-2013, 06:01 PM
I just think that if I died and then my future relatives tried to summon me like 100 years later for some reason I'd just be like NOPE NOPE NOPE, I'm not leaving my paradise and 72 virgins to answer pointless questions for you! Either that or I'd just poltergeist them just to be a troll.

Writelock
02-06-2013, 06:56 PM
. And I don't see how you can separate angels, gods or goddesses from religion.

Challenge accepted. A true god would exist regardless of whether people believe in him/her/it.

Buffysquirrel
02-06-2013, 07:09 PM
Challenge accepted. A true god would exist regardless of whether people believe in him/her/it.

Begging the question. Challenge lost.

thebloodfiend
02-06-2013, 07:12 PM
Taking it a bit further, do you believe spirits of those who you knew or Angels or gods, goddesses, can be summoned at your request?No.
Do you believe this is separate from religion?Depends on the religion. For most Christians I've talked to, that kind of stuff is TEH EVULEST THING EVUR. As in, they won't even touch Ouija boards. Yet, other Christians I've talked to believe you can talk to your ancestors and pray to God to send them to your dreams.

Buffysquirrel
02-06-2013, 07:15 PM
For most Christians I've talked to, that kind of stuff is TEH EVULEST THING EVUR. As in, they won't even touch Ouija boards.

Which is curious, given what happens in Samuel with the Witch of Endor and all.

mccardey
02-06-2013, 07:16 PM
Last edited by butterfly; Today at 12:56 AM. Reason: resurrection

Spooky that this thread was resurrected to ask about - well - resurrection. Freaks me out. *shudder*

Wilde_at_heart
02-06-2013, 07:20 PM
Many people believe in the muse, affirmations, words of wisdom, amulets, good luck charms. Taking it a bit further, do you believe spirits of those who you knew or Angels or gods, goddesses, can be summoned at your request? Do you believe this is separate from religion?

Mods - I have no idea where this should go.

Thanks for resurrecting this - I thought it would be an interesting subject to discuss but without your OP I had no idea where to take it :(

My own belief (I post in a few New Agey-type forums) is that by doing such 'magic' you are communicating with the unconscious or irrational or non-verbal part of the psyche.

Basically, we have our rational, logical, verbally-dominant brain, but then sometimes another part takes over our emotions, is responsible for our self-sabotaging, or creating negativity around us etc.

Even when we know what we're doing to ourselves, we keep on because that rational side of the brain can't communicate to the 'irrational' side. You need non-verbal symbols to do that.

From my own experience, these rituals and so on are the means to communicate to that side of the psyche. I've found it works.

As for summoning Angels, my understanding is that's largely 'be careful what you wish for'. But again, if you are concentrating your mind towards something, it has ways of manifesting, just not in a way you might really want it to.

KateJJ
02-06-2013, 07:27 PM
Which is curious, given what happens in Samuel with the Witch of Endor and all.


From context, the Witch of Endor did not seem to be expecting to get an actual Samuel ghost to show up. Also, it was kind of a bad thing for good ol' King Saul. Moral of story seems to be: if you summon ghosts, they might come, and that is not going to make your day more pleasant.

I used to anthropomorphize my muse. Then I realized I was blaming her for my own laziness and quit. So, er, I guess I exorcized her?

Phaeal
02-06-2013, 07:41 PM
I believe you can summon the Outer Gods and their minions, but if you catch them on a bad tentacle day, watch out.

Susan Littlefield
02-06-2013, 07:48 PM
It's too early in the morning to think! :D



Many people believe in the muse, affirmations, words of wisdom, amulets, good luck charms.

Love all those things.


Taking it a bit further, do you believe spirits of those who you knew or Angels or gods, goddesses, can be summoned at your request? Do you believe this is separate from religion?

I think it's very risky to dabble in the occult because you never know what you're going to get.

Writelock
02-06-2013, 08:17 PM
Though Lovecraft was a fiction writer, a bit of his advice holds true, " Don't call up, what you can't send back down." That being said, as today's generation probably has trouble even watching a single show without flipping channels during commercials, texting, and surfing the net, I am not overly worried about anyone dabbling in the occult.

Filigree
02-06-2013, 08:34 PM
My muses show up from 8 to 4, just like me. Sometimes we wake up in the middle of the night and sketch, or scribble notes. We've had 30 years to reach accommodation.

I am a skeptic when it comes to most supernatural stuff, and I'm not certain that anyone can put another person/place/event under outside control by mere force of will. But I understand that I can do little things to change my perceptions. Whether they are cognitive therapy or 'spells', I don't know. I employ them sparingly, because I've found myself over-reliant on other coping or procrastination methods before.

Whatever they are, they're private and meaningless to anyone else.

Buffysquirrel
02-06-2013, 09:16 PM
I think it's very risky to dabble in the occult because you never know what you're going to get.

Even if it only comes from your own subconscious. Yeah.

mccardey
02-06-2013, 09:22 PM
I like candles - handmade, beeswax. I don't blame them when I screw my plottage up, though. And they don't get the credit when it works, either.

Rachel77
02-06-2013, 09:22 PM
Either that or I'd just poltergeist them just to be a troll.

If my future relatives try to summon me years after my death, I'll come back and move a vase several inches to the right. Maybe knock a picture off the wall while they're sleeping.

Buffysquirrel
02-06-2013, 10:26 PM
Hmm, and I thought that picture was knocked down by the earthquake.

NeuroFizz
02-06-2013, 10:35 PM
If my future relatives try to summon me years after my death, I'll come back and move a vase several inches to the right. Maybe knock a picture off the wall while they're sleeping.

Now this is why I think it's all crap. If a guy like me was summoned from beyond by a woman medium, I (he) wouldn't bother with vases or pictures. I'd (he'd) go straight for her breasts.

mccardey
02-06-2013, 10:36 PM
Now this is why I think it's all crap. If a guy like me was summoned from beyond by a woman medium, I wouldn't bother with vases or pictures. I'd go straight for her breasts.

I'd be backing Margaret Rutherford (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlnpXeS10gQ)...

lolchemist
02-07-2013, 12:32 AM
Be more adventurous! Fart in her ear!