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Zoombie
12-16-2012, 03:24 AM
This movie...is...

The stupidest thing I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vKz7WnU83E

It is also...

SO

FUCKING

COOL!

ROCKET PUNCH!

CTHULU!

ROBOTS!

GIANT!

FUCK YEAH!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

thothguard51
12-16-2012, 03:31 AM
How many times has the Golden Gate Bridge been taken out in movies?

Zoombie
12-16-2012, 03:38 AM
NOT ENOUGH!

thothguard51
12-16-2012, 03:50 AM
But its so predictable in movies like this shot around SF...

Same with the White House being blown up...

KateSmash
12-16-2012, 05:57 AM
The Golden Gate Bridge / White House / Statue of Liberty is the US version of Tokyo Tower. If there's a disaster or a monster, it's going to get destroyed.

I really hope the movie lives up to its concept.

Manuel Royal
12-16-2012, 06:25 AM
I can only remember seeing the White House destroyed in one movie (Independence Day, an idiotic alien-invasion movie).

But the Statue of Liberty has sure taken her lumps. Half-buried in a world of damn dirty apes; magically animated; frozen; head knocked off by a monster, to name just a few.


This movie...is...

The stupidest thing I have ever seen.Have you ever heard of Michael Bay?

I count on Guillermo del Toro to show that a movie about giant robots can also have a brain, recognizable human characters, and coherent action. Looks pretty damn cool, really.


FUCK YEAH!
I concur.

MattW
12-16-2012, 07:50 PM
The Eiffel Tower also takes its lumps whenever a director needs to show "global catastrophe"

mirandashell
12-16-2012, 09:54 PM
Big Ben has also been hit a few times.

EMaree
12-16-2012, 10:43 PM
As soon as GlaDOS (well, her voice actor) appeared, I was sold.

MttStrn
12-16-2012, 10:52 PM
As soon as GlaDOS (well, her voice actor) appeared, I was sold.

I caught that too and almost nerded my pants.

Cyia
12-16-2012, 11:22 PM
I can only remember seeing the White House destroyed in one movie (Independence Day, an idiotic alien-invasion movie).



Watch the trailer for 2012. The White House gets taken out by the USS Kennedy, which is apparently on steroids, yet still able to fit on and float down the Potomac.

J.S.F.
12-17-2012, 04:41 AM
Tell us how you really feel, Zoombie....

:D

On the surface, it looks like another 'beat the aliens to the punch' thing BUT...

GD Toro is at the helm.

Nothing is quite what it seems with him.

Will watch...only to see giant robot versus monster.

Better than Godzilla versus Mechagodzilla, that's for sure.

LOG
12-17-2012, 05:25 AM
Thing is, I believe this could actually be a pretty interesting movie if the monsters are truly Lovecraftian (in design and in delivery), but the representation of them in the trailer alone makes me think they're just funky versions of Godzilla.

Manuel Royal
12-17-2012, 05:32 AM
Watch the trailer for 2012. The White House gets taken out by the USS Kennedy, which is apparently on steroids, yet still able to fit on and float down the Potomac.
Right! How could I have forgotten that? (Actually, I've done my best to forget that entire movie. It hurts to see so many good actors wasted on moronic shit. Even as disaster porn, it got old.)

kuwisdelu
04-30-2013, 11:13 AM
But why are the pilots adult soldiers instead of traumatized teenagers?

But seriously, I'm so glad del Toro cast a Japanese actress as one of the leads.

Nevermind that the concept is basically Evangelion. ;)

J.S.F.
04-30-2013, 03:53 PM
With kuwi, life is an anime...as long as it doesn't involve pixies or elves...

...or sheep!

:D

kuwisdelu
04-30-2013, 06:34 PM
With kuwi, life is an anime...as long as it doesn't involve pixies or elves...

Sadly, that's not true, or else I would enjoy life a lot more.

J.S.F.
04-30-2013, 06:44 PM
Sadly, that's not true, or else I would enjoy life a lot more.
---

Yeah...

(J.S.F. sighs and goes back to writing his transgenic novel).

AshleyEpidemic
04-30-2013, 09:36 PM
But why are the pilots adult soldiers instead of traumatized teenagers?

But seriously, I'm so glad del Toro cast a Japanese actress as one of the leads.

Nevermind that the concept is basically Evangelion. ;)

Omigosh yes. This is all I have been saying about this movie since day one. It is live action Eva.

I will likely still go see it because my boyfriend's interest in it has piqued since the latest trailer. Plus I have loved Del Toro since Pan's Labyrinth.

kuwisdelu
04-30-2013, 09:43 PM
Omigosh yes. This is all I have been saying about this movie since day one. It is live action Eva.

Thank god it isn't actually live action Eva. I do not want to see Hollywood ruin that.

They can keep their paws off it.

A Hollywood film that uses mecha tropes, I'm pretty cool with, and I'm so happy at least one of the main characters isn't a white soldier dude.

Lyra Jean
04-30-2013, 09:46 PM
But why are the pilots adult soldiers instead of traumatized teenagers?

But seriously, I'm so glad del Toro cast a Japanese actress as one of the leads.

Nevermind that the concept is basically Evangelion. ;)

When I saw the preview before they named the movie I thought it was a live action Evangelion. My first thought was who are they going to get to play Shinji.

kuwisdelu
04-30-2013, 09:55 PM
When I saw the preview before they named the movie I thought it was a live action Evangelion. My first thought was who are they going to get to play Shinji.

If they ever try again, I'll have to assassinate the director and send it back to the production hell from whence it came. I love Anno's versions too much to see what Hollywood would do with it.

I'm happy to watch a del Toro mecha flick, though. :)

Cyia
04-30-2013, 10:01 PM
I still think it looks like Michael Bay took Transformers and spliced it with Battleship.

Zoombie
04-30-2013, 10:07 PM
See, those two movies COULD be good, sans racist characters, bad writing and terrible directing!

I mean, Guillermo Del Toro has already given us TWO awesome action sci-fi movies that took silly concepts and made them balls to the walls awesome.

Unless someone here is going to try and tell me Hellboy 1 and 2 were somehow not two of the best comic book movies ever made.

If so...Imma get my shivin' knife.

JoNightshade
04-30-2013, 10:19 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who looks at this and sees Evangelion.

On the one hand, thrilled that it's GDT, thrilled it has Idris Elba and Ron Perlman.

Not so thrilled that the lead is apparently some random white guy I've never heard of before.

Seriously, you get Elba, and you DON'T make him the protag? Does not compute.

Zoombie
04-30-2013, 10:26 PM
Maybe the "lead" will be shockingly killed off in the first five minutes, leaving Idris Elba free to take over the movie?

I can dream...I can dream...

kuwisdelu
04-30-2013, 10:40 PM
Glad I'm not the only one who looks at this and sees Evangelion.

On the one hand, thrilled that it's GDT, thrilled it has Idris Elba and Ron Perlman.

Not so thrilled that the lead is apparently some random white guy I've never heard of before.

Seriously, you get Elba, and you DON'T make him the protag? Does not compute.

This is Hollywood action film. You knew the main character was either going to be some white guy or Will Smith. Like I said, I'm just so happy they cast a Japanese girl as the other pilot.

kuwisdelu
04-30-2013, 10:41 PM
Maybe the "lead" will be shockingly killed off in the first five minutes, leaving Idris Elba free to take over the movie?

I can dream...I can dream...

No, it's a dual-entry system and he and the Japanese girl pilot it together.

kuwisdelu
05-01-2013, 08:57 PM
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/143553/Anime/mako-mori.jpg

Will Mako Mori be waifu material?

J.S.F.
05-02-2013, 02:49 AM
Would waifu.:) Cute is cute.

Zoombie
07-14-2013, 02:30 AM
Sooooooooooooooooooooo...

Was that the BEST THING EVER, OR WHAT!?

JohnnyGottaKeyboard
07-14-2013, 04:20 AM
Sooooooooooooooooooooo...

Was that the BEST THING EVER, OR WHAT!?Seeing this tomorrow. Your one sentence review makes me hopeful!

kuwisdelu
07-14-2013, 04:23 AM
Give me time to see it goddammit!!!

Lady Chipmunk
07-14-2013, 05:35 AM
I count on Guillermo del Toro to show that a movie about giant robots can also have a brain, recognizable human characters, and coherent action. Looks pretty damn cool, really.


You might be disappointed. For me the movie tried to wear too many hats and fell kind of flat because of it. But, yeah, still kind of awesome.

CheG
07-14-2013, 07:45 AM
FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!! PACIFIC RIM!!!!!!!!

That is all.

Zoombie
07-14-2013, 08:00 AM
Seeing this tomorrow. Your one sentence review makes me hopeful!

Just be aware...it is a Giant Robot Versus Monster movie, so it has them tropes.

Like, "Why punch them if you have a sword?"

The reason is because punching, then whipping out the sword at the most dramatic moment is cool!

It's a very "rule of cool" movie.

JoNightshade
07-14-2013, 08:14 AM
This is 100% PURE CHEESY AWESOMENESS. Seeeeeriously. Also, I have to quote myself:


Not so thrilled that the lead is apparently some random white guy I've never heard of before.

Seriously, you get Elba, and you DON'T make him the protag? Does not compute.

I think GDT pulled a fast one on Hollywood, because that random white guy was soooo not the main character. Is it just me or were Elba and Mako (whatever her real name is) the heart of this movie? White guy was just sort of a placeholder in the middle. I mean, sure, he had a bit at the beginning, but after that he become sort of an Ishmael-ish narrator.

Zoombie
07-14-2013, 08:30 AM
Oh man, I totes agree Jo.

Mako had the most emotional scenes, the most development, Idris and her had a great relationship...BUT I do think that Riley (who was memorable enough that I remembered his name, which is better than 90% of the characters like him) was actually better than I expected.

He managed to be...assured of himself without being annoyingly cocky, disobeyed orders but it always seemed like he had fairly good reasons, tortured but not too angsty, and he got over his emotional baggage in the best possible way.

BY PUNCHING MONSTERS IN THE FUCKING HEAD!

Which is ALSO how Mako got over her issues!

Kaijuu should have been called Psychologists...

Also, I LOVED the little touches in the movie that made the world feel real. The Kaijuu fanclub. The nicknames. The merchandise. The classifications that they put them under (very Hurricane-esque, with Class 1-5) and the BLACK MARKET KAIJUU ORGAN SMUGGLING. And I loved that they had both "holistic" reasons to do so ("Powdered kaiju horn, good for your...masculinity!") and for actual reasons...

Their dung makes great fertilizer.

It's a little touch.

I mean, fuck, they have a church of the Kaijuu, made out of one of their skulls! They linger on it for maybe 30 seconds, have a SINGLE line about it, and...yet it presents so many possibilities. The movie is a picture PERFECT example of how to do worldbuiling RIGHT.

It's just...it seems better and better the more I think about it.

EDIT and MINOR SPOILERS:

Another thing I need to note...this movie deserves a fucking medal for having the main character be tortured and unwilling to join the fight FOR A LEGITIMATE REASON. Riley literally felt his brother DIE from the inside of his brother's own head, then had to pilot his Jager through 10 miles of freezing water SINGLE HANDED (it is established that piloting these things without another pilot melts your brain). You can actually understand why that would make someone NOT WANT TO PILOT A JAGER AGAIN!

There's none of that bullshit, "Oh, but I'm different!" moping from superhero movies. Seriously, fuck that shit. Can we please have a movie that isn't Iron Man where the main character is happy or excited to have superpowers?

JoNightshade
07-14-2013, 09:42 AM
Yeah, if GDT is good at one thing, it's building worlds. Yeah, it was super cheesy and totally not realistic, but very consistent in terms of what it was meant to be, you know? Even the mad scientists. I was afraid it was gonna be a cheap Evangelion knock-off, but GDT clearly understood his source material, drew from it, and put it back together in a really consistent way.

Zoombie
07-14-2013, 10:33 AM
Building worlds...and giving Ron Pearlmen awesome, awesome characters.

kuwisdelu
07-14-2013, 10:35 AM
Mako had the most emotional scenes, the most development

This makes me so happy to hear. I can't wait.

I will be wearing my Asuka shirt.

bearilou
07-14-2013, 03:48 PM
It's a very "rule of cool" movie.

Idris Elba and this comment have sold me on the movie.

SOLD ME!

Manuel Royal
07-14-2013, 09:58 PM
Quite good. Much more coherent than I expected.

And I like giving a character a ridiculous name like Hannibal Chau, and then having him explain, "I took it from my favorite historical character and my favorite Chinese restaurant."

Alexandra Little
07-15-2013, 03:42 AM
It was AWESOME!!!

Zoombie
07-15-2013, 05:13 AM
And I like giving a character a ridiculous name like Hannibal Chau, and then having him explain, "I took it from my favorite historical character and my favorite Chinese restaurant."

A reviewer I like referred to him as "The White Dolomite. (http://thecinemasnob.com/2013/07/12/midnight-screenings-pacific-rim-and-grown-ups-2.aspx)" (Warning: Review contains LOTS of foul language)

CheG
07-15-2013, 06:30 AM
Actually Raleigh- the 'main' random white guy, is not so random. My cousin told me he's the lead in "Sons of Anarchy". Although this is if my cousin is to be believed...

But OMG best movie ever! All glory to Guillermo Del Torro! That movie is what Hollywood Blockbuster car *coughMichaelBay* WISHES they could be!

THIS says it all!! And this was not just my reaction to the trailer! It was me during the whole movie http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/097/d/5/your_reaction_when_you_watched_pacific_rim_trailer _by_neonkazma-d60uv4h.jpg

Lissibith
07-15-2013, 04:38 PM
I swear, by all rights I should have hated this movie. It was literally the most predictable movie I've seen in years, and it sometimes seemed like the writers were coming up with character concepts roughly one minute before their payoff.

But it was so big and actiony and amazing that it's vying for my favorite movie of the year so far. How did that happen?

J.S.F.
07-15-2013, 04:44 PM
I'll have to echo Lissibeth's thoughts. It should have been corny--and it is, it should have been predictable and dumb--and it is, in places...

...but it was fun, well-acted, didn't take itself too seriously, and kicking Kaiju butt has to be the most fun thing around.

Oh, yes, and Rinko Kikuchi is as talented as she is pretty. Would waifu, most def, and will buy the DVD when it comes out.

Sheryl Nantus
07-15-2013, 05:02 PM
Loved it. Totally predictable and it delivered exactly what it promised.

And who can't love a kaiju/mecha brawl?

:)

J.S.F.
07-16-2013, 09:14 AM
Loved it. Totally predictable and it delivered exactly what it promised.

And who can't love a kaiju/mecha brawl?

:)
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Two words to answer the question: FUCK YEAH!!

Lots of fun. The sword is a great touch. Voltron, defender of the universe to the rescue!!! Laughed out loud when I saw that and enjoyed it all the way. Heard they might make a sequel and I hope they do.

Watching Ron Pearlman as an illegal organ trader was the highlight of the flick. He really brought a touch of wackiness to the whole whacked-out proceedings...made the flick better than it should have been.

Too bad his character got...never mind. Watch it for yourselves, citizens.

:)

Sheryl Nantus
07-16-2013, 04:27 PM
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Too bad his character got...never mind. Watch it for yourselves, citizens.

:)


You DID stay until the end of the movie after the credits, right?

RIGHT?

;)

Oldbrasscat
07-16-2013, 04:39 PM
Nooooo! What did I miss? The 12 year old wouldn't let me stay!

J.S.F.
07-16-2013, 05:01 PM
You DID stay until the end of the movie after the credits, right?

RIGHT?

;)

---

"Eat me!"

No, that's not the ending, but it seemed appropriate.

;)

kuwisdelu
07-17-2013, 02:26 AM
Pretty good, but Raleigh was convinced a bit too easily to pilot again.

Why couldn't he have been a bit more scared and useless and had Mako have to drag him into the Jaeger cockpit?

Oh. Yeah. Hollywood.

ETA: Rinko was amazing.

J.S.F.
07-17-2013, 02:41 AM
Pretty good, but Raleigh was convinced a bit too easily to pilot again.

Why couldn't he have been a bit more scared and useless and had Mako have to drag him into the Jaeger cockpit?

Oh. Yeah. Hollywood.

ETA: Rinko was amazing.
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I'd agree on the Rinko-being-amazing bit. This is one of the few movies I've seen no matter which genre where they didn't make the Asian woman the typical 'flower' type. She had a nice mix of toughness and vulnerability to her, played her part well...yeah, hope she comes back in the sequel.

Ending was sweet. Foreheads together, just a hint of romance, much better than the typical Hollywood devour-the-other's-face kiss at the end.

Zoombie
07-17-2013, 02:51 AM
Pretty good, but Raleigh was convinced a bit too easily to pilot again.

Why couldn't he have been a bit more scared and useless and had Mako have to drag him into the Jaeger cockpit?

Oh. Yeah. Hollywood.

It also helps that he's not fifteen years old and so pathologically damaged by his dad's horrible upbringing that it's impressive he can tie his own shoes, let alone pilot a giant robot...

kuwisdelu
07-17-2013, 02:55 AM
It also helps that he's not fifteen years old and so pathologically damaged by his dad's horrible upbringing that it's impressive he can tie his own shoes, let alone pilot a giant robot...

You'd still think what happened would have damaged him a bit more than it did. It wouldn't be unrealistic at all if he was a lot more hesitant. I'm glad we can finally have a strong PoC female character, but why can't we finally have a weak male main character? Maybe I'm the only one who cares...

ETA: I should have known better than to hope for this, but I couldn't help but keep thinking it would be a much better movie for it if Raleigh weren't so... like every other Hollywood hero ever. His character was easily the weakest part of the whole movie, IMO, and it wouldn't be hard to fix.

Jcomp
07-17-2013, 02:57 AM
Saw it, and really really dug it. Might be the blockbuster flick I've enjoyed most this summer (so of course it gets trounced by effin' "Grown Ups 2" at the box office... of course). There's plenty about it that doesn't make much sense if you think on it too much (or even just, you know, much), but all it only promised to deliver giant robots vs. giant monsters, and damn if it didn't deliver in spades.

Zoombie
07-17-2013, 03:03 AM
You'd still think what happened would have damaged him a bit more than it did. It wouldn't be unrealistic at all if he was a lot more hesitant. I'm glad we can finally have a strong PoC female character, but why can't we finally have a weak male main character? Maybe I'm the only one who cares...

No, I agree. I'm mostly just having fun poking at Eva (which has it's own incredibly silly stuff). I think if you are unable to accept rampant silliness, then giant mecha just won't be your bag...really, once a combat vehicle becomes larger than a human body there are no reasons to not make it a more inhuman form that can be more effective in combat.

But I think the main reason why they couldn't have Riley be weaker would be...well, that kind of reluctance would have been a serious blow to pacing. And considering how the last two really awful movies were, in part, really awful because it took 2 FUCKING HOURS for the Lone Ranger to be the Lone Ranger, or Superman to be Superman, I think that Pacific Rim made the right choice in trimming that recalcitrance slightly.

They did still keep it, but it didn't overstay the welcome.

At least, that's my thinks >.>

kuwisdelu
07-17-2013, 03:20 AM
No, I agree. I'm mostly just having fun poking at Eva (which has it's own incredibly silly stuff). I think if you are unable to accept rampant silliness, then giant mecha just won't be your bag...really, once a combat vehicle becomes larger than a human body there are no reasons to not make it a more inhuman form that can be more effective in combat.

Oh, I'm not complaining about silliness. That's fine. I'm complaining about ordinariness.

PS: Eva aren't actually mecha anyway, so their form makes perfect sense. ;)


But I think the main reason why they couldn't have Riley be weaker would be...well, that kind of reluctance would have been a serious blow to pacing. And considering how the last two really awful movies were, in part, really awful because it took 2 FUCKING HOURS for the Lone Ranger to be the Lone Ranger, or Superman to be Superman, I think that Pacific Rim made the right choice in trimming that recalcitrance slightly.

I think they could have done it without changing the pacing. I'm not asking for a full-blown Shinji-running-away scenario. Just a little more than what we got.

The simplest way without changing too much would be to get him there the same way, but have him freak out during the drift at the same time as Mako. Let them both go berserk. We already saw what happened to his brother, so we'd only need a few flashes to get the idea of what's going on with him, so it wouldn't break the flow from Mako's flashback. Cut his fight with the Stryker pilot (maybe keep a shorter confrontation, but the fistfight was unnecessary, IMO) to give him and Mako more screen time together to recover afterward. Maybe have Mako comfort him instead, since she's had longer to deal with her losses, and his is more recent and raw. That would also allow some chemistry to develop on his side (since it all seemed on Mako's side to me) so their connection makes more sense. Flow straight into the rest of the movie, and when they have to get back in the Jaeger, have Raleigh decide he can pilot again as long as Mako's with him, since she's been through just as much, and she still wants to pilot. She gives him strength. This would also make it more meaningful when Raleigh insists to Pentecost that it must be Mako who pilots with him. Not only does he get a little more depth, but their connection there could actually be used to get him into the Jaeger again.

I think that would work, wouldn't interrupt the pacing, and would require a major change to only one scene, and minor tweaks to a few others.

Albedo
07-18-2013, 10:18 AM
Good silly fun.

Bonus points for Sydney Kaiju battle. Hey, I know that intersection...

Extra bonus points for awesomely bad Aussie accents on Hercules and his son.

Escape Artist
07-18-2013, 05:09 PM
Saw it last night and I absolutely loved it! From the previews, it had that Godzilla feel to it that intrigued me and when I saw Guillermo del Toro's name on it, I was even more hopeful. I knew from reading The Strain Trilogy that I liked his writing and his female characters, so...

I went in with reservations, thinking that at best it'd probably be a visual feast and nothing more, but I loved the characters, too! I thought Mako was strong - so refreshing to not have a woman be on the set as little more than eye candy for the men (in fact, the men were more eye-candy in this film than in most - I thought it was sweet and realistic how Mako ogled Raleigh through the peephole). She held her own, had a past that gave her a sense of vulnerability but she was no shrinking violet.

And the fact that Raleigh pushed for her to be his co-pilot was nice. He never once considered that she might not be up for the job just because she was a woman and I think that said a lot about his character. It made me admire him, anyway.

And can I say that I love Charlie Day! He is absolutely hilarious in every movie I've seen him in so I was thrilled that he was in the film. Speaking of him, there were a lot of quirky/interesting characters in the movie that gave it that extra something special - I liked Hannibal, the other scientist (played by Burn Gorman), and the guy that always had the little rosary with him (can't remember his character's name).

I of course also liked Stacker and Herc. I thought Stacker gave a good speech right there before the final fight. It wasn't over-the-top dramatic like some of these "Off to war!" speeches, it rang true to life, as did the bits where various characters knew their loved ones were doomed or whatnot - not once did anyone say they loved anyone, but you could see it in their eyes, in the words they spoke and didn't speak and it resonated with me, felt right.

Anyway, I can't recommend this enough! I loved it... :yesway:

Jcomp
07-18-2013, 06:03 PM
I of course also liked Stacker and Herc. I thought Stacker gave a good speech right there before the final fight. It wasn't over-the-top dramatic like some of these "Off to war!" speeches...

It's a little thing, but I loved that the speech was relatively brief. Like Stacker recognized, "Okay, I need to rally the team, but we're also obviously in an urgent situation here. No time to go through a St. Crispin's Day monologue." It's less than half as long as the speech from Independence Day, but still so much better.

Zoombie
07-18-2013, 06:06 PM
I saw the movie again, and guess what?

It's still good!

Also, watching in 3d made the little details of the movie really pop more, which surprised me.

Maggie Maxwell
07-18-2013, 07:06 PM
Saw it last night with my giant robot, giant monster loving husband. My only thought afterwards was "This was a fantastic homage to modern Godzilla movies." There are so many correlations between Tokyo SOS, Godzilla: Final Wars (down to both of them have bulldogs in them, although G:FW's is a frenchie) and Pacific Rim, and that made it extra enjoyable to me. The plot was predictable, the script was dull and overdone, but the action and CGI were beyond compare, and that's what I went to see it for.

I did notice early in, "Hey, these things are really fleshy and don't look like they have much armor on them. Why waste time punching them to death? Why not use swords?" Considering some later events, I still wonder that.

I loved the scientist and the fanboy. Best characters, hands down (well, them and Ron Perlman.)

Escape Artist
07-18-2013, 07:14 PM
I'm glad we can finally have a strong PoC female character, but why can't we finally have a weak male main character? Maybe I'm the only one who cares...

I wanted to comment on this, and it's not that I don't care, but I honestly don't want to see a weak male main character. I just want to see more strong female characters, that's all. I guess I worry that having a weak MMC cast alongside a strong FMC would come across as having "diluted" the male to make the female "appear" stronger.

Does that make any sense? I want to see a strong FMC hold her own against a strong MMC. Not just look strong in comparison to the man. Hopefully that comes across the way I hope it does.

But yes, I loved Mako in this and loved that Raleigh never once thought that she might be deadweight in the Jaegar (sp?) as a co-pilot simply because she had a different set of genitals. That made him appealing on a level that many MMC's fail to reach. Made him seem, I don't know, humble and modern. Not a guy with archaic ideas about what women's role in society (in this case, in war specifically) should be.

Ugh. I really hope I'm communicating this well 'cause it sure feels like I'm not. It's so difficult, I think, to write a strong FMC, just as it's hard to be a strong female IRL. That's something I'm struggling with for sure.

ETA: All this talk of male and female issues and equality among the genders brings to mind a recent -irritating- event in my life. Long story short, a (male) friend of ours bailed on us (me and my husband) to spend time with his girl. Now, I am no dummy - when he didn't show up, I realized that helping us with our boring little project was not going to trump his spending quality time with his girl. And though he didn't *say* a word to us that day about why he'd skipped out, I figured it was the girl. So anyway, he sees us some time later and told my husband that he would, and I quote, "...have to explain it to her, as a man, why I didn't show."

Wow. Just, wow.

By the way, hubby was smart enough not to "explain" a damn thing to me.

AnneMarble
07-18-2013, 08:33 PM
Nooooo! What did I miss? The 12 year old wouldn't let me stay!
I missed it because I had to pee. :(

Not far into the movie, I realized I had to pee. But every time I thought of leaving, I realized I would miss something. So I told myself "It's not that bad. Yet." And I could never find a moment to sneak out. I didn't want to miss the fight scenes. But just as importantly, I didn't want to miss the backstory, the scenes with the scientists, the scenes with... well anything really. :p And just when I thought I had a chance, then Ron Perlman shows up. Well, you can't walk out on Ron Perlman!

kuwisdelu
07-19-2013, 04:08 AM
I wanted to comment on this, and it's not that I don't care, but I honestly don't want to see a weak male main character. I just want to see more strong female characters, that's all. I guess I worry that having a weak MMC cast alongside a strong FMC would come across as having "diluted" the male to make the female "appear" stronger.

Does that make any sense? I want to see a strong FMC hold her own against a strong MMC. Not just look strong in comparison to the man. Hopefully that comes across the way I hope it does.

Yes, but you misunderstand me. I am specifically interested in weak characters. I have a whole thread dedicated to them. (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232903) It's a preference of mine unrelated to the issue of strong female characters.

Part of what I love about mecha anime is how many of them feature weak, cowardly male main characters (or who at least start out that way). From Amuro Ray to Shinji Ikari to Renton Thurston to Simon the Digger. Those are the kinds of male characters I love and with whom I can identify.

I'm not interested in the typical strong, macho, manly heroes that Hollywood likes. Hell, I was disappointed to find out that the pilots would actually be adult soldiers and not emotionally-stunted teenagers.

But I guess not even del Toro can get those kinds of characters past Hollywood execs.

JohnnyGottaKeyboard
07-19-2013, 11:29 AM
And can I say that I love Charlie Day!
Oh, good. I was afraid to admit that he was my favorite character.

EMaree
07-19-2013, 01:29 PM
Watched it yesterday, and it was *so good*. So very good.

I feel like Mako's character was slightly overhyped, though. With everyone talking about how awesome she is, I was disappointed by how much she hung back, especially during that fist-fight. We'd already established she could hold her own in combat and had some sharp wit ("He's not what I expected." "Better or worse?"), so it felt out of character for her to just stand there while Aussie-Jaeger-pilot insulted her.

I get that this is probably Hollywood stepping in and setting the expectations, though, and she's still awesome by Hollywood standards. Also her relationship with Idris Elba was all kinds of awesome, and the child actor that played her in flashbacks was surprisingly good.

juniper
07-21-2013, 10:47 AM
Saw it this afternoon at IMAX 3D. It was amazing - best graphics I've seen maybe ever. Looked seamless.

I loved the little girl - she was so real. Her terror was palpable. And when she saw her rescuer - and he saw her - oh my.

Idris Elba is one of my favorite actors. I first saw him on BBC America in "Luther."

I might not have gone to see this, even with him in it, without all of you saying how terrific it was. It's not my usual kind of film. So thanks.

Invincibility
07-23-2013, 06:52 AM
Could have lived without "Gipsy Danger", not gonna lie. Yay, racism.

MttStrn
07-23-2013, 08:16 AM
Could have lived without "Gipsy Danger", not gonna lie. Yay, racism.

You do know that Gipsy Danger is named after the airplane engine, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Gipsy

Zoombie
07-23-2013, 09:24 AM
I thought the only thing Gipsy Danger was a danger too...

*puts on sunglasses*

Was Kaiju.

EDIT: Also, I've been trying to figure out what the liquid in the suits was at the beginning of the film. My current theories are either cleaning fluid...or, my personal favorite idea: Impact resistant fluid to help keep them alive when their Jager is whacked by a giant monster.

kuwisdelu
07-23-2013, 04:40 PM
EDIT: Also, I've been trying to figure out what the liquid in the suits was at the beginning of the film. My current theories are either cleaning fluid...or, my personal favorite idea: Impact resistant fluid to help keep them alive when their Jager is whacked by a giant monster.

It's LCL. (http://wiki.evageeks.org/LCL)

MttStrn
07-23-2013, 07:51 PM
I thought the only thing Gipsy Danger was a danger too...

*puts on sunglasses*

Was Kaiju.



YEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Zoombie
07-23-2013, 08:04 PM
But of course.

Invincibility
07-24-2013, 09:37 AM
You do know that Gipsy Danger is named after the airplane engine, right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Gipsy
I know that, but I doubt the majority of the moviegoing population would know that, and that doesn't change the fact that gipsy/gypsy is a racist slur, so...

Zoombie
07-24-2013, 09:42 AM
I know that, but I doubt the majority of the moviegoing population would know that, and that doesn't change the fact that gipsy/gypsy is a racist slur, so...

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it was "gip" that was the slur...like, "Don't gyp me" being similar to "don't jew me" or "don't be niggerdly."

I mean, if gypsy is a racial slur, then I didn't know, and I'll remember to not use it and instead stick to Roma. That's the right word, right?

Opty
07-24-2013, 10:41 AM
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it was "gip" that was the slur...like, "Don't gyp me" being similar to "don't jew me" or "don't be niggerdly."
The etymology of the word "gyp," meaning "to cheat," is contested and it's not universally accepted that it came from "gypsy" (though it very well might have), so it's unclear whether or not it's racist.

"Niggardly" certainly isn't racist and its etymology has absolutely nothing to do with the racial slur but the fact that it "sounds bad" makes people not want to use it. I'd rather use "miserly" or something similar.


I mean, if gypsy is a racial slur, then I didn't know, and I'll remember to not use it and instead stick to Roma. That's the right word, right?
"Gypsy" being a racist slur depends on whom you talk to. Many Romanis call themselves "gypsies" and have named international organizations with the word "Gypsy" and/or used that word to describe such organizations, and it'd be a bit ridiculous to accuse Gypsies of being racist for calling themselves gypsies.

My personal opinion, that I'm sure some might disagree with, is that claiming that gypsy is offensively racist, despite the widespread international non-offensive use of the term by actual Romani people, is sort of a twisting of the etymological fallacy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymological_fallacy), and makes as much sense to me as saying that the term "vandalism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandals)" is racist against East Germans or the expletive "bugger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugger)" is racist against certain Bulgarians.

But, others' mileage may vary. My friend Chassey and her American Roma family call themselves gypsies and have no problem with it, and it seems that neither did anyone involved in TLC's show "My Big Fat American Gypsy Wedding" last year, so...

:Shrug:

kuwisdelu
07-24-2013, 11:11 AM
I chalked it up to "lolmilitary trying to name things."

Myrealana
07-29-2013, 07:32 PM
I figure if you took every hot-shot pilot move cliche ever written and taked it onto an old 70s Godzilla movie, tossed with modern special effects techniques, you would get Pacific Rim.

I literally turned to my husband at one point and whispered "OK, now is the point where Iceman tells Maverick he's a danger to the mission."

Of course, being a person who likes hot-shot pilot movies and LOVES old Godzilla movies, I was in heaven, but that doesn't make the cliches any less obvious.

Maggie Maxwell
07-29-2013, 07:48 PM
I figure if you took every hot-shot pilot move cliche ever written and taked it onto an old 70s Godzilla movie, tossed with modern special effects techniques, you would get Pacific Rim.

I literally turned to my husband at one point and whispered "OK, now is the point where Iceman tells Maverick he's a danger to the mission."

Of course, being a person who likes hot-shot pilot movies and LOVES old Godzilla movies, I was in heaven, but that doesn't make the cliches any less obvious.

Put it next to two of the latest Godzilla movies and start drawing lines between the similarities, and you're gonna end up with a bar code.

It was so good though. :D

Zoombie
07-29-2013, 08:15 PM
Well, cliches are cliches for a reason...my only problem is when someone uses a cliche badly.

CheG
07-30-2013, 12:44 AM
I want a prequel so badly! And I want it to star the Kaidonovskys! The Cherno Alph pilots are INSANELY popular! Even though they had barely any screen time.

If that awful Smurfs movie can warrant a sequel then here is hoping GDT can hear my psychic pleas!

also *coughfanart* http://spiderliing666.deviantart.com/art/Cherno-Alpha-389169801

kuwisdelu
07-30-2013, 12:47 AM
I just want my mecha piloted by emotionally-damaged teenagers. Is that so much to ask, Hollywood?

CheG
07-30-2013, 09:59 PM
But there is already plenty of anime for that.

I like seeing adults with actual military training and combat experience piloting mechs. It's makes it a lot more believable to me than the world being saved by dysfunctional 14 year olds. And again- plenty of anime already fits that bill.

So it was nice to see a sort of 'mech for grown-ups'. But it's also not a movie that will alienate kids. I am also vastly relieved that there was not one sh*tty side-kick kid in the whole movie! (Which would have happened if this were Transformers!) Instead we got a dog, which was fine. I hate token 'mascot' characters that there only so that some marketing demographic can have something on screen to 'identify' with.

And OMG! Rant much??

kuwisdelu
07-30-2013, 10:07 PM
But there is already plenty of anime for that.

I like seeing adults with actual military training and combat experience piloting mechs.

I guess I'll go back to not bothering with live-action films since Hollywood just wants the same-old-same-old.

So excuse me for wishing Hollywood would cater to different tastes and do something new once in a while.


It's makes it a lot more believable to me than the world being saved by dysfunctional 14 year olds. And again- plenty of anime already fits that bill.

I care less about believability and whether the world is saved or not that I do about psychological depth.

Raleigh's character was severely lacking in that department, and it greatly detracted from the film for me.


So it was nice to see a sort of 'mech for grown-ups'.

>implying the age of the protagonists has anything to do with the age of the intended audience

Pacific Rim is very generic mecha. If it were an anime, it wouldn't be very notable.

Zoombie
07-30-2013, 10:29 PM
I want a Pacific Rim Saturday morning cartoon show with an ensemble caste, and have it be about the Kaiju War. The large cast means we can have our cake AND eat it by having both Kusi's annoying weakling and my annoying strong...ling.

And they all fight giant monsters!

kuwisdelu
07-30-2013, 10:35 PM
I want a Pacific Rim Saturday morning cartoon show with an ensemble caste, and have it be about the Kaiju War. The large cast means we can have our cake AND eat it by having both Kusi's annoying weakling and my annoying strong...ling.

And they all fight giant monsters!

I'll pass on that. American animation, art style, and character design tend to suck.

Though Avatar and Korra look pretty good. Maybe if it's like that.

kuwisdelu
07-30-2013, 10:42 PM
I want a Pacific Rim Saturday morning cartoon

Uhh, was this thread (http://archive.foolz.us/a/thread/90463915) you?

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/143553/Anime/pacific-rim-saturday-morning-cartoon.png

ETA: Shorts with Jaegers and kaiju anthropomorphized as little girls would be awesome.

ETA2: Oh god, these (http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1374/88/1374883960776.png) are (http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1374/56/1374565817057.jpg) awesome (http://0-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1375/19/1375197647253.jpg).

CheG
07-31-2013, 03:24 AM
There might be a sequel!!!!!!!!!!! Squeee!

I was poking around some forums and there could be a sequel!! I am happy with this thought!!!

Also in the forum everyone was down on the prequel idea :( Everyone was all "It's all covered in the Year Zero graphic novel"... Which- am I on crack or was this Kaiju War year 15?? You can't tell me one GN is an adequate prequel... grrr... I just want something with nothing but the Kaidonovsky's! Seriously!


I want a Pacific Rim Saturday morning cartoon show with an ensemble caste, and have it be about the Kaiju War. The large cast means we can have our cake AND eat it by having both Kusi's annoying weakling and my annoying strong...ling.

And they all fight giant monsters!

That would be awful... so very, very awful...

Zoombie
07-31-2013, 04:46 AM
...no love for Batman the animated series, Superman the animated series? Batman Beyond? Exo-Squad? Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys?

All american cartoons that don't suck...

Parametric
07-31-2013, 01:19 PM
This movie made me happy! The giant robots were awesome. :D

bearilou
07-31-2013, 04:19 PM
aaaAAAAWWW YEAH

This is a keeper movie for me.

J.S.F.
07-31-2013, 06:53 PM
...no love for Batman the animated series, Superman the animated series? Batman Beyond? Exo-Squad? Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys?

All american cartoons that don't suck...
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Someone has good taste...but I draw the line at the last two Zoombie mentioned. Sorry, I got my limits...and you forgot about Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.

Yeah, Pacific Rim IS a keeper. Cannot wait for the DVD to come out and while I don't know about the rest of you, I want that special edition. Just one disc ain't enough. I want all the little details.

Zoombie
07-31-2013, 08:12 PM
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Someone has good taste...but I draw the line at the last two Zoombie mentioned. Sorry, I got my limits...and you forgot about Justice League and Justice League Unlimited.


I didn't forget. I just never saw them. There are loads of great American cartoons that I've never seen. But I will fight tooth and nail if anyone dares to suggest that Exo-Squad or Captain Simian aren't amazing.

Exo-Squad is awesome because it was the first cartoon I saw where main characters died, and bad guys actually perpetrated the next best thing to the Holocaust. Also, ALSO, at one point, a character is recording a vid-letter for her parents on Venus and it takes a few hours for it to reach them because her ship is in the asteroid belt!

Captain Simian, on the other hand, is hilarious for kids (because monkeys) and hilarious for adults because it has references to more sci-fi properties than I can shake a stick at. I mean, name another cartoon show that references Alien and I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream!

Of course, both were canceled before their times...stupid networks...

bearilou
08-14-2013, 08:14 PM
PACIFIC RIM: DATING IN THE APOCALYPSE (http://sarahtales.livejournal.com/210892.html)


INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE: How do we deal with all these attacks by enormous creatures from the sea?
RUSSIA: How about... we create giant robots which are powered by two people who have a psychic bond, and the robots BEAT THEM UP!
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE: Go home Russia, you are DRUNK. Who has any better ideas?
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE: *crickets*
INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE: What were you saying again, Russia?

Jcomp
08-15-2013, 12:00 AM
There might be a sequel!!!!!!!!!!! Squeee!

I was poking around some forums and there could be a sequel!! I am happy with this thought!!!



It's at least starting to seem more financially viable to produce a sequel (alas, the bottom line dollars are generally what determines whether or not sequels get made). Its domestic box office was disappointing at best, but it's doing pretty well internationally, particularly in China.

Zoombie
08-15-2013, 01:14 AM
I hope Pacific Rim 2 is as better as Pacific Rim as Hellboy 2 was next to Hellboy.

Because, Hellboy 2 is quite possibly my favorite superhero movie ever.

bearilou
08-15-2013, 02:03 AM
Because, Hellboy 2 is quite possibly my favorite superhero movie ever.

That's because you have killer taste. :Thumbs:

J.S.F.
08-15-2013, 02:25 AM
PACIFIC RIM: DATING IN THE APOCALYPSE (http://sarahtales.livejournal.com/210892.html)
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I am Idris Elba and I approve of this blog post.

(No, I'm not Idris Elba, but I laughed my ass off, anyway).

maxmordon
08-15-2013, 10:52 AM
I plan to go and see it tomorrow because my film geek friend said it was now one of her top 10 movies.

I think I'm falling in love more and more with said friend...

Zoombie
08-15-2013, 11:20 AM
Liking Pacific Rim is pretty much the fifth or sixth best reason to fall in love.

>compass<
08-15-2013, 11:37 AM
I love this movie, it made me feel things.

When I saw it it was in a nearly empty theater (which surprised the hell out of me cos it wasn't long after it debuted) and since there was basically no one I didn't feel weird when I was pumping my fists and silent screaming and sobbing quietly and snorting whenever they had one of their silly visual gags or squealing when Ron Perlman came onscreen. There were a few moments when I nitpicked it though, especially toward the end, when the sci-fi nerd in me was like, "No. No, I refuse to believe they lost the signal and then suddenly have it again while they're still on the other side. No."

There was a funny moment though, when Gipsy drew its sword and this guy somewhere behind me whispered at the same time I thought, "They had a sword the whole time??"

LOG
08-28-2013, 09:49 AM
But of course. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/chinese-pla-officer-tells-troops-615091)

I find Zhang's metaphors of firewalls and erosion to speak quite a bit about how he views ideologies and people.

Zoombie
08-28-2013, 10:03 AM
I love how a film by a Mexican director about multinational collaboration is construed as American propaganda.

Because...half the main team is American? I guess?