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acockey
12-12-2012, 01:17 AM
Why is this poor font hated so much? Do you hate it? why? would you send a query in Comic Sans?

Cyia
12-12-2012, 01:22 AM
You send queries in Times or Courier - period. Anything else is unprofessional.

amrose
12-12-2012, 01:25 AM
Because it's a poorly designed, clumsy typeface. Just like Jokerface, Papyrus, CurlzMT, etc, etc.

Querying in display type is a newb mistake. Don't do it.

There's nothing funny about Comic Sans.

Also, Bank Gothic is used waaaaay too much, especially in movie titles. It's time for a new typeface, designers.

Johncs
12-12-2012, 01:28 AM
Comic sans is too busy fighting crime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3k5oY9AHHM)...

onesecondglance
12-12-2012, 01:43 AM
I've always hated Comic Sans. One of the guys at work sends all his emails in it, and I just want to print them all out and force him to eat them.

acockey
12-12-2012, 01:48 AM
@onesecondglance Will you tape it? you should tape it... and +1 Internets to you sir

@amrose What if I am doing it to be ironic?

Little Ming
12-12-2012, 01:52 AM
I don't have a problem with comic sans. If I'm bored or stuck I might change my WIP into purple comic sans just to see my characters die in a more ironic fashion.

Will I query with comic sans? No, because I understand there's a difference between what I personally find fun and interesting and what the professional and business world wants.

Of course, when I become massively successful and filthy rich I will write all my MS in white wingdings. In pdf.

Cyia
12-12-2012, 02:46 AM
What if I am doing it to be ironic?

You won't get the chance. At best, it'll be seen as a gimmick. At worst, the mere sight of the hated font will lead the agent in question to hurl their computer at the nearest wall. ;)

Shadow_Ferret
12-12-2012, 02:51 AM
I enjoy using comic sans -- for silly things. I'd never use it professionally for anything.

sassandgroove
12-12-2012, 03:09 AM
We get a newsletter where I work in comic sans and all I can think when I look at it is how unprofessional and old it looks.

But speaking of professional, the default on word on our computers at work is Calibri, and it seems everyone now at my work is using it for correspondence, etc. instead of times new roman, which I've always used in an office setting.

Rhoda Nightingale
12-12-2012, 03:23 AM
^Yeah, the 2010 edition of Word defaults to Calibri, which I find incredibly frustrating because it's serif-free and outside of the Internet I just don't like serif-free fonts.

And most agencies don't either.

Bottom line, just make sure you know the guidelines before you send anything anywhere.

DancingMaenid
12-12-2012, 04:13 AM
Oh, I hate how Calibri is the default font on Word. The first thing I do when I start a new document is adjust the font. I have a style set up on my computer with 12 pt Times New Roman so I can switch it easily.

Jamesaritchie
12-12-2012, 04:22 AM
Oh, I hate how Calibri is the default font on Word. The first thing I do when I start a new document is adjust the font. I have a style set up on my computer with 12 pt Times New Roman so I can switch it easily.

The first thing I do is change Word's default font so I never see Calibri again. Calibri is just bad.

DancingMaenid
12-12-2012, 04:32 AM
The first thing I do is change Word's default font so I never see Calibri again. Calibri is just bad.

Didn't even know you could change the default font. Though it makes sense--I just haven't gone searching for how to do it.

Alas, there's no way to do that with public computers. I try to avoid working on stuff in Word too much when I'm at school because there are so many adjustments that I've made on my version at home. Turning off smart quotes, for example.

Stacia Kane
12-12-2012, 04:37 AM
I can't believe nobody has posted McSweeney's I'M COMIC SANS, ASSHOLE. (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-comic-sans-asshole)

I giggled like a loon.

And the first thing I do when opening a new doc is fix all the formatting, including font.

jjdebenedictis
12-12-2012, 05:02 AM
You send queries in Times or Courier - period. Anything else is unprofessional.
@amrose What if I am doing it to be ironic?Then you're not being professional.

I guess this thread is meant to be tongue-in-cheek, but the fact is that you should use a font that is very easy to read.

Comic Sans isn't, and the people you're sending it to spend a lot of time reading. Funky fonts are simply eye-strain to them.

Also, a funky font is a distraction from the content, i.e. a gimmick, and queries are unsolicited ad-mail to the people who receive them. They will read your query, but they have zero patience for bullshit, i.e. gimmicks.

On a related note, the now-disappeared blogger-agent Ms. Snark once said that when a person is dealing with a hundred queries a day, consistency is more valuable than "thank you". Agents want your query to conform to a standard because then they can judge its content fast and easily.

goshirn
12-12-2012, 11:01 AM
I hate Comic Sans, as already stated it's just a badly designed font.

I love courier, because I love the typewriter look, I want a typewriter so bad!

Anyway Times and Courier are my favourites!

However I used Comic Sans for like every single project for school when I was in middle school! God that was awful... If only I knew what I know today... If only I knew...

Putputt
12-12-2012, 12:04 PM
The first thing I do is change Word's default font so I never see Calibri again. Calibri is just bad.

How do you do that? Calibri makes me want to sit on my laptop.

Terie
12-12-2012, 12:08 PM
Didn't even know you could change the default font. Though it makes sense--I just haven't gone searching for how to do it.

Do a search on 'change default font' in Word's help for instructions. I'd paste them here but I'm not sure they're the same for 2007 as for 2010, which is what I have at work. Also, there's a little image to help locate the icon to click, so the text-only instructions might not be so helpful to everyone. Best to look it up for yourself so you get the complete instructions for your version. :)

Polenth
12-12-2012, 12:56 PM
My dentist sends appointment reminders in Comic Sans. It makes me fear for my teeth every time.

onesecondglance
12-12-2012, 01:36 PM
I quite like Calibri. I find it easy to read.

I wouldn't query or sub using it, but for writing it works well on a small screen.

seun
12-12-2012, 02:33 PM
I sub in 8pt Edwardian Script.

shaldna
12-12-2012, 02:44 PM
Why is this poor font hated so much?

It has it's uses. Professional correspondance is not one of them.

It's a clumsy, jokey looking font. It doesn't look serious and it can be very annoying and difficult to read over several paragraphs.


Do you hate it? why?

I don't hate it. But I would put down something written in it, and I found find it almost impossible to take someone seriously when they used it.


would you send a query in Comic Sans?

Only if I was also writing that query in crayon.

shaldna
12-12-2012, 02:46 PM
The version of Word we use in work defaults to 10pt Calibri with 10pt spacing. Not good. Not good at all.

Buffysquirrel
12-12-2012, 03:56 PM
I have no feelings about Comic Sans, really. I write in 12 pt Dark Courier myself. I keep wanting to set the default to that instead of 11 pt Calibri*, but I'm not the only one using this version of Word, sadly.

*Why 11? WHY?

Torgo
12-12-2012, 04:11 PM
I quite like Calibri, but if I'm going to read a lot of text off a screen I set everything to Trebuchet.

OhTheHorror
12-12-2012, 04:14 PM
The first thing I do is change Word's default font so I never see Calibri again. Calibri is just bad.

Pretty please tell us how. It drives me up the wall too. :Hammer:

I use Times New Roman or Courier New ... unless I'm felling fancy. Then I use Dark Courier. :tongue

Buffysquirrel
12-12-2012, 04:17 PM
Just open the font dialogue, select the font type and size you want, then click the Set As Default button.

OhTheHorror
12-12-2012, 04:19 PM
Just open the font dialogue, select the font type and size you want, then click the Set As Default button.

Thanks, Buffy! :D

Ken
12-12-2012, 04:49 PM
... use Comic Sans from time to time, myself, for one reason and another.
Not with queries, though. Among other reasons, it isn't the easiest to read.
And you don't want an agent or editor to have to put in any extra effort.

ps I kinda like Calibra.

theDolphin
12-12-2012, 05:15 PM
I quite like Comic Sans, but use it only for my holiday dinner shopping lists. :D Also love the Georgia font and was using it when working on the first draft of my novel. Once I realized that the professional standard was Times New Roman or Courier, I switched to TNR and have never gone back. I was working on Open Office then too and the reformatting efforts that went with switching the font was ridiculous. Man, what a learning curve that was...

Whether or not I enjoy other fonts, I completely understand the need for a common standard for queries and manuscripts. Doesn't mean we can't enjoy other fonts. Just have to know where and when to use what.


Comic sans is too busy fighting crime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3k5oY9AHHM)...

This was SO funny! Thanks for posting!


I can't believe nobody has posted McSweeney's I'M COMIC SANS, ASSHOLE. (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-comic-sans-asshole)
.

Oh man, I remember when that came out! Brilliant. LOVE it. Thanks for posting, it was fun to revisit. :D

amrose
12-12-2012, 05:37 PM
@amrose What if I am doing it to be ironic?

As long as you're doing it in a granny sweater then YOU GO GLEN COCO!

JimmyB27
12-12-2012, 05:47 PM
Every single query I've ever sent has been in Comic sans. Yellow Comic sans. On pink paper, liberally sprinkled with glitter.
And I've not had a single rejection.

VanessaNorth
12-12-2012, 05:53 PM
What you do in the privacy of your own glitter-bombed, comic sans infested lair is none of anyone's business.

However, some publishing houses request specific formatting, including fonts.

READ the submission guidelines before you query. Format your query and your sub to the guidelines, INCLUDING the font. If the guidelines don't specify, TNR is probably your best bet. If they specify a font, use the specified font.

acockey
12-12-2012, 06:14 PM
Follow-up what on earth is the point of wingadings? why does it even exists?

I got the impression from the interwebs that Comic Sans is like the Ring from LOTR, it's there for everyone to hate

Follow-up part 2 I can't believe a post about Comic Sans went for two pages

mirandashell
12-12-2012, 06:23 PM
I also like Calibri. Just saying

Katie Elle
12-12-2012, 06:31 PM
The problem with Comic Sans is that it is massively overused, particularly by people who are new to computers and think that more is better.

acockey
12-12-2012, 06:33 PM
@Katie Elle more awesomeness?

amrose
12-12-2012, 08:03 PM
I got the impression from the interwebs that Comic Sans is like the Ring from LOTR, it's there for everyone to hate

There are a lot of designers on the internet. I know a bunch of people in my age range (late 20s - early 30s) got their degrees in design. When you go through four years + of schooling for a passion of yours, you tend to get anal about it.

I remember first year undergrads at their first ever round room crits getting flayed alive for comic sans/papyrus/copperplate. In the early 00s it was like the only acceptable typeface was freakin' Helvetica. I got so tired of Helvetica.

Papyrus doesn't bother me as much as comic sans which is truly hids.

Also putting forward that Calibri is ok by me, but I've never used it in a design piece.

Stacia Kane
12-12-2012, 08:06 PM
I write in Dark Courier, but I have my gmail default font set to Trebuchet. Cuz it's kicky. :)

Sometimes I write in Goudy Old Style, because I love Goudy Old Style, but I've found over the years that it actually affects my writing; words flow better in Dark Courier, I guess because I'm just so used to it.

In my latest mss I have some quotes from (made-up) Victorian newpapers, and I had fun changing the fonts for those (yes, I know it should just be italics, but it can be fixed before submission, so nyah).

Playing with fonts is so much fun.

Myrealana
12-12-2012, 08:22 PM
All the hate for Comic Sans just strikes me as the graphic designer version of a hipster rant.

Jamesaritchie
12-12-2012, 08:26 PM
Pretty please tell us how. It drives me up the wall too. :Hammer:

I use Times New Roman or Courier New ... unless I'm felling fancy. Then I use Dark Courier. :tongue

It may be as much psychological as anything, but for me, Calibri just clogs up the page. It's spacing is all wrong for the size, and it just doesn't look right. I hate reading anything written in Calibri, and I just won't do it.

EMaree
12-12-2012, 08:30 PM
For online reading, where sans-serif is supposedly easier on the eyes than serif fonts, I actually like Calibri -- it has a smoother look than Arial in Office 2010. I also like Verdana.

Comic Sans can burn, though, alongside Papyrus.

JimmyB27
12-12-2012, 08:37 PM
All the hate for Comic Sans just strikes me as the graphic designer version of a hipster rant.
I hated Comic Sans before it was cool to.

RemusShepherd
12-12-2012, 08:51 PM
Comic Sans is fine in comics. I used it in my first webcomic, because I needed a casual font that had lowercase letters. Most casual fonts are all-uppercase.

However, Comic Sans outside of a word balloon usually looks wrong. It's not meant for justified text of any kind.

onesecondglance
12-12-2012, 08:56 PM
I hated Comic Sans before it was cool to.

Ditto. And my objection stems from "it looks amateur unprofessional shit" rather than any proper typographical background. :D

Toothpaste
12-12-2012, 09:08 PM
Can we talk about Papyrus next??

http://xkcd.com/590/

acockey
12-12-2012, 09:16 PM
I feel Comic Sans is worse than Papyrus... if your an ancient egyptian you'd love Papyrus

Katie Elle
12-12-2012, 09:44 PM
I had to look up Papyrus. It is pretty bad. However, I had to look it up. I can walk out of my office and see at least a dozen posted notices with Comic Sans.

It seems to have an unholy attraction for the typographically ignorant.

sassandgroove
12-12-2012, 09:47 PM
All the hate for Comic Sans just strikes me as the graphic designer version of a hipster rant.
If something is hard to read it is hard to read, it doesn't have anything to do with trends.

Alpha Echo
12-12-2012, 09:55 PM
Follow-up what on earth is the point of wingadings? why does it even exists?


I have always wondered that...


I also like Calibri. Just saying

Me too. I don't like, however, that Office 10 (or 11 on Mac) automatically defaults to weird spacing between lines.

And I, like most teenage girls, grew up loving Comic Sans. I don't find anything wrong with it, but I don't use it for anything professional. Actually, I don't really us it for anything anymore, but I used to use it for EVERYthing. Except anything formal - never used it for a school paper or anything. Never realized anyone really took Comic Sans seriously.

benbradley
12-12-2012, 10:06 PM
Appropriate use of comic sans (as the font in the text bubbles):
http://debsanderrol.com/2011/09/comic-108-progress-doc/

Inappropriate use of comic sans (should be self-explanatory - names of both the guilty and innocent removed for their protection):
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i274/yetanotherboardie/comic_sans_church_inspiration.jpg
This last one inspired a song, and if this thread keeps going, I'll inflict it on you.

James D. Macdonald
12-12-2012, 10:15 PM
I have always wondered that...


If you need dingbats for line-breaks in your novel you'll know the answer....

Alpha Echo
12-12-2012, 10:22 PM
If you need dingbats for line-breaks in your novel you'll know the answer....

Ah! That's right! I do that!

calieber
12-12-2012, 10:31 PM
I had to look up Papyrus. It is pretty bad. However, I had to look it up. I can walk out of my office and see at least a dozen posted notices with Comic Sans.

It seems to have an unholy attraction for the typographically ignorant.
I think because it looks FUN! and people like FUN!.

Also, if you have to say something people aren't going to like, and you don't think about typefaces very hard, you might think Comic Sans will take the edge off.

acockey
12-12-2012, 10:41 PM
Corporate FUN!! is never fun (see also Office Space)

benbradley
12-12-2012, 11:52 PM
A Comic Sans example from Hell (aren't they all?):
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell

I think this page says it really well:

The font menu built into our computer software programs is a powerful tool. It gives us the ability to convey emotions, thoughts and ideas by making a simple selection. Many of these fonts have become overused, but Comic Sans stands out among the others in terms of wide spread inappropriate use. The application of this font has gone far beyond its original intent, which was to design a typeface that imitates comic book lettering.
http://www.ratioblog.com/?p=374



I think because it looks FUN! and people like FUN!.

Also, if you have to say something people aren't going to like, and you don't think about typefaces very hard, you might think Comic Sans will take the edge off.
Such people are amateur (in the 'bad' sense of not knowing much about a subject, as opposed to the 'good' sense of learning about a subject because one loves it) psychologists.

acockey
12-13-2012, 12:28 AM
@benbradley because being Fired in Comic Sans stings a little less, and isn't all about making people feel better, also awesome links.

elindsen
12-13-2012, 02:50 AM
What's wrong with Comic Sans?

;)

OhTheHorror
12-13-2012, 02:54 AM
It may be as much psychological as anything, but for me, Calibri just clogs up the page. It's spacing is all wrong for the size, and it just doesn't look right. I hate reading anything written in Calibri, and I just won't do it.

Agree 100%. It just looks wrong to me too.

StephanieZie
12-13-2012, 07:41 AM
I remember when I was a kid tinkering around on the Microsoft Word program on our dinosaur of a computer, comic sans was the only interesting font amidst heaps of boring old Times New Roman and Bookman Old Style. That might have something to do with it's overuse and refusal to die. New computers come loaded with pretty creative fonts, but in the early nineties, comic sans was it.

kuwisdelu
12-13-2012, 10:57 AM
You send queries in Times or Courier - period. Anything else is unprofessional.

I always wondered why the heck TNR got that reputation.

Why not Garamond or Georgia? Both are much better, IMO.

blacbird
12-13-2012, 11:05 AM
TNR sucks as a readable font, either on the screen or in print. It really needs to die. It's worse than Comic Sans, and that's saying a lot. No book publisher prints in TNR, for damn good reasons.Garamond is much eye-friendlier, in either medium, and is ubiquitously available. Agents and editors out there: GET IT.

caw

EMaree
12-13-2012, 01:26 PM
Comic Sans is fine in comics. I used it in my first webcomic, because I needed a casual font that had lowercase letters. Most casual fonts are all-uppercase.


I'm not a fan of Comic Sans in webcomics, personally. There are much better webcomic fonts out there -- I'm fond of the free and paid selections available at Blambot (http://blambot.com/fonts.shtml).

seun
12-13-2012, 01:28 PM
I'M GOING TO WRITE EVERYTHING LIKE THIS FROM NOW ON.

mirandashell
12-13-2012, 04:06 PM
I much prefer Garamond to TNR too. Much more elegant.

But the typeface I use most is Arial. Nicely shaped, clean, unfussy. Perfect for most situations.

acockey
12-13-2012, 06:56 PM
the individual letter spacing in Ariel screws with my eyes. I use TNR because my eye became accustom to it, all those damn school papers. Idea...when I am a teacher all essays will be in Comic Sans

who knew we were all huge nerds for font type

Jamesaritchie
12-13-2012, 08:59 PM
I always wondered why the heck TNR got that reputation.

Why not Garamond or Georgia? Both are much better, IMO.

TNR got there first. It's actually a very old font, but the "Times" part is what makes it famous. It was commissioned by The Times of London back in 1929, came out in, 31 or 32,, and is about as perfect for newspapers as you can get. It was also used all sorts of other areas for decades. Universities, the government, scientists, and you name it, generally used TNR.

Most word processors, at least all the ones I used early on, came defaulted to TNR, so TNR is what the great majority used.

And it is a good font for its particular job. Other fonts may be prettier, but I don't think any of them do the same job as TNR. TNR makes excellent use of space, and combines this with readability. Not many fonts can do both.

Springs
12-13-2012, 10:10 PM
TNR sucks as a readable font, either on the screen or in print. It really needs to die. It's worse than Comic Sans, and that's saying a lot. No book publisher prints in TNR, for damn good reasons. Garamond is much eye-friendlier, in either medium, and is ubiquitously available. Agents and editors out there: GET IT.

Yes. Garamond is definitely my favorite font, and I write everything in it unless it's online or someone specifies otherwise. I have no real problem with Times New Roman, though, I just love the shape of Garamond letters. I get all nerdy and excited over them.

I've never been a huge Comic Sans fan. I used to be in a 4-H club as a kid that insisted that everything for the club be written in it. Afterwards, I never used it again. I just don't see the point. Then again, I typically avoid sans-serif fonts like the plague.

Papyrus I don't mind, though, actually. I've used it for certain things, those things are just few and far between.

EMaree
12-13-2012, 11:57 PM
I never realised Garamond had such a following until this thread, so I just switched my manuscript to it.

MY GOD. IT'S LIKE TIMES NEW ROMAN TURNED UP TO ELEVEN.
WHY DID NOBODY TELL ME THIS SOONER.

ChristinaLayton
12-14-2012, 01:32 AM
Times New Roman 12 pt used to be the default font in Word. I don't know why they changed it to Calibri 11 pt.

I'd used Word 97, Word 2000, Word 2002, and Word 2003, and it wasn't until Word 2007 that I started seeing Calibri as the default font. I hated it. All my manuscript documents are set to double spacing, Times New Roman 12 pt, first line paragraph indents, (I don't know if I need to make any other preset change for submissions) and that way I don't have to worry about going back and changing anything. I just start typing. I remember I used to use Comic Sans for my first drafts, 12 pt. (when I was 17) and now I only use it for instant-message conversations in Windows Live. I don't think it was meant for professional submission of anything, just a playful fun font.

amrose
12-14-2012, 01:48 AM
I also enjoy Mrs Eaves.

RemusShepherd
12-14-2012, 09:10 AM
I'm not a fan of Comic Sans in webcomics, personally. There are much better webcomic fonts out there -- I'm fond of the free and paid selections available at Blambot (http://blambot.com/fonts.shtml).

Agreed, there are better fonts. But not many of them have lower case letters, so if you want those Comic Sans is an option.

(Also, my first webcomic was in 2003; there were fewer fonts available then. I couldn't find anything else that fit my needs.)

onesecondglance
12-14-2012, 01:21 PM
Re: webcomics, most of the ones I read have their own custom fonts, usually based on the artist's handwriting. It gives them a strong sense of identity, and means the text style matches the art style. Examples: www.shortpacked.com (http://www.shortpacked.com), www.sheldoncomics.com (http://www.sheldoncomics.com), www.dieselsweeties.com (http://www.dieselsweeties.com), etc.

Xelebes
12-14-2012, 07:49 PM
Our company branding has us use Calibri font. I don't mind. Just use the default. I intend to only query in Courier Final Draft.

Xelebes
12-14-2012, 07:51 PM
Times New Roman 12 pt used to be the default font in Word. I don't know why they changed it to Calibri 11 pt.

The biggest issue with TNR is that it is a cramped font designed for newspapers. It was not designed for correspondence. That is why most correspondence is currently done in Arial or Calibri.

ChristinaLayton
12-15-2012, 07:40 AM
The biggest issue with TNR is that it is a cramped font designed for newspapers. It was not designed for correspondence. That is why most correspondence is currently done in Arial or Calibri.


I didn't know that. :( I've been looking for publishers to submit to, and in their submissions page, most of them say they want the manuscript submitted in Times New Roman, double spaced, 1-inch margins, and all that good stuff.

VanessaNorth
12-15-2012, 05:52 PM
I didn't know that. :( I've been looking for publishers to submit to, and in their submissions page, most of them say they want the manuscript submitted in Times New Roman, double spaced, 1-inch margins, and all that good stuff.

If that's what they request, That's how you format.

I actually have different publishers style preferences set as presets in scrivener so that when i compile for submission, i select the publisher i want from a list and it is formatted on compile.

ChristinaLayton
12-15-2012, 09:52 PM
If that's what they request, That's how you format.

I actually have different publishers style preferences set as presets in scrivener so that when i compile for submission, i select the publisher i want from a list and it is formatted on compile.


Thank you so much for your help. :)

crunchyblanket
12-16-2012, 03:42 PM
comic sans gets such a bad rap. He's a friendly little font.

writeontime
12-16-2012, 06:41 PM
Blimey. I hadn't heard of Comic Sans until this thread. :)

Personally, when I write, I use Verdana or Garamond only because it's easier on my eyes.

But when it comes to submitting, I use whatever the publisher/journal recommends.

ChristinaLayton
12-16-2012, 09:48 PM
comic sans gets such a bad rap. He's a friendly little font.


Cute. :)

benbradley
12-18-2012, 04:50 AM
For those who are fans both inappropriate font use AND of electronic circuit simulation, there's this:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ALLPUH_k_47I70kTFnF5RWP0oB85J08ziVqQq3UIErvxXVBrrL 2md10y7sihcyvRQx-VuQ1ak3MbqQsIwj9-7uinGUipKwF7Dnkr6MRkq_w/%20%20Tables%20of%20Contents/all_files.htm

Blimey. I hadn't heard of Comic Sans until this thread. :)

Personally, when I write, I use Verdanaor Garamond only because it's easier on my eyes.

But when it comes to submitting, I use whatever the publisher/journal recommends.



How could you have missed the biggest scientific announcement in years? Go ahead, go here and click on the link for "slide from the presentation:"
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7408407&postcount=78

SianaBlackwood
12-18-2012, 07:09 AM
I write my drafts in Comic Sans. Worrying about the quality of a sentence when it's in orange Comic Sans on a photographic background? Never going to happen. Comic Sans is the best pretentiousness inhibitor known in writer-land.

It remains to be seen whether I switch to a more serious font when it comes to editing.

I wouldn't use Comic Sans in a situation where I was trying to be serious, though. Formal communications and sharing with other people are best done in more 'formal' fonts.

writeontime
12-18-2012, 02:39 PM
For those who are fans both inappropriate font use AND of electronic circuit simulation, there's this:
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/ALLPUH_k_47I70kTFnF5RWP0oB85J08ziVqQq3UIErvxXVBrrL 2md10y7sihcyvRQx-VuQ1ak3MbqQsIwj9-7uinGUipKwF7Dnkr6MRkq_w/%20%20Tables%20of%20Contents/all_files.htm

How could you have missed the biggest scientific announcement in years? Go ahead, go here and click on the link for "slide from the presentation:"
http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7408407&postcount=78


Oh my goodness. Higgs Boson and Comic Sans should not be placed together. I'm giggling and wincing at the same time.

kkbe
12-18-2012, 11:40 PM
I :e2cloud9: Comic Sans. When I taught Kindergarten, everything I :e2BIC: for those little kids was in Comic Sans. It's a sweet little font :tongue.

I'd never, ever submit an ms in Comic Sans.

acockey
12-19-2012, 12:46 AM
@kkbe Comic Sans is good for kindergarteners it should be good enough for Agents... I say we all should act more like innocent children more often

kkbe
12-19-2012, 07:23 AM
acockey: @kkbe Comic Sans is good for kindergarteners it should be good enough for Agents... I say we all should act more like innocent children more often If only it were so! Indeed, agents and five-year-olds alike are prone to brief but frequent flights of fancy, and both become quite cranky when they miss their naps.

But Comic Sans is truly the stuff of children, all rounded edges and gossamer dreams. Agents expect a professional font, crisp and no-nonsense, demanding full attention. No tarrying in the past! The perfect manuscript is typed with precision in Times New Roman.

When we were young, we typed as children, but now we're grown. We've put away our childish fonts. . .

Putputt
12-19-2012, 12:02 PM
I :e2cloud9: Comic Sans. When I taught Kindergarten, everything I :e2BIC: for those little kids was in Comic Sans. It's a sweet little font :tongue.



RAWR. Comic Sans is known to make hippos very angry. :mob

Shara
12-19-2012, 05:02 PM
Comic sans is a fun font, but I agree with those that say it's not professional and should not be used in a business situation. And certainly not for writing to editors.

Because Times New Roman is the preferred font for agents and editors, that's the one I've got used to using. It's simple, no-nonsense, and professional. Writers who use cutesy colourful fonts may think that their work stands out, but it just makes them look unprofessional.

A couple of years ago our letterhead at work was redesigned, and we were all told the house style was going to be Ariel, not Times New Roman, from now on. Times New Roman was old fashioned and out-dated, we were told. I argued. I hate Ariel. In fact, I don't like any serif-less fonts. When I have to write to Professor Illidge (which in my job I do a lot), his name just looks silly because the capital 'I' and the next two letters all look exactly the same.

I rebelled for a long time but was eventually forced to toe the line and I now have to write all work documents in Ariel. But at home, everything's still in TNR.

Shara

acockey
12-19-2012, 06:44 PM
@kkbe your wording put mine to shame :( ...crying in the corner of inferiority... anyone else use Georgia?

Mr. Breadcrumb
12-19-2012, 08:02 PM
Pleased to see so many Garamond proponents. That's what I write in as well.

Times New Roman isn't a bad font, but it suffers from severe overuse from all the years as Word's default typeface. It just comes off looking all anonymous office memo.

That said, when we're talking about submitting to agents or really submitting any kind of standardized long form document, over-use isn't a sin. You don't want to stand out or look creative or have personality. All of that should be in the content.

I'm sure agents and editors know Times New Roman/Courier 12 cold and have a well developed sense of how long blocks of text are just at a glance. For a submission font you want to settle on something so that everything looks the same and you want it to be something pretty universal. So if you're going for judging exact spacing, a mono-spaced font like Courier makes sense. But Times New Roman is easier to read, so if you just want an approximate view relative to everything else you've read today, it makes a lot of sense.

As for sans-serifs, they're more readable on crappy screens where you don't have enough pixels to render the serifs properly, so there's been an uptick in use of simple screen-hinted sans serifs in recent years. But if you're going to print something out or have a very high resolution screen to read on, serifs give more differentiation to the shapes of letters.

Comic sans just loses on all accounts. You don't have the simple crisp shapes that a good sans-serif will provide, but you don't get the fuller letter shapes out of the bargain. And any personality it might give has long died to over-use. It just smacks of "trying to be cute, but not going to much effort for it," and it is just way too often used when cute should not be the goal. But if I see someone use it, it isn't like I'm going to freak out. I just think they don't care much about fonts. Hardly a terrible sin unless you're professionally typesetting something.

Georgia is fine, but to my eyes suffers a little bit from the Times New Roman problem of over-use since it is generally the default web serif font.

Stacia Kane
12-19-2012, 08:05 PM
I rebelled for a long time but was eventually forced to toe the line and I now have to write all work documents in Ariel. But at home, everything's still in TNR.

Shara


Thank you so much for correctly using the phrase "toe the line." :)

*pet peeve*

acockey
12-19-2012, 08:24 PM
@Mr. Breadcrumbs you have thought way to long about fonts...go write now :P

kkbe
12-20-2012, 06:11 AM
acockey: @kkbe your wording put mine to shame :( ...crying in the corner of inferiority... anyone else use Georgia?Don't get me started. . .

:)

thebloodfiend
12-20-2012, 06:45 AM
I type in Courier New or American Typewriter. For a while, I tried Times New Roman, but it kind of hurts my eyes after a while.

I also like Georgia and Cambria, but I would never type in them. My favorite typeface is probably Avant Garde Gothic, Franklin Gothic, or Trade Gothic. So, so beautiful for graphic layouts, but not really practically for manuscripts, sadly.

Jokerman and Comic Sans need to die painful deaths if used anywhere outside an elementary school or a comic book.

BigWords
12-20-2012, 07:10 AM
Jokerman and Comic Sans need to die painful deaths if used anywhere outside an elementary school or a comic book.

Comic books have much better lettering than Comic Sans. Todd Klein has already provided a perfect examination (http://kleinletters.com/Blog/?p=3599) of the font, and it really does need a name change to stop people thinking that professional comics would use such an unwieldy font.

thebloodfiend
12-20-2012, 07:30 AM
Comic books have much better lettering than Comic Sans. Todd Klein has already provided a perfect examination (http://kleinletters.com/Blog/?p=3599) of the font, and it really does need a name change to stop people thinking that professional comics would use such an unwieldy font.

True that, but elementary schools and comics are the only places I will turn a (semi) blind eye to it. I still hate it. I swear, I will mock anyone who turns in a professional graphic assignment with it next semester.

I challenge anyone here to make an attractive book cover using only Comic Sans. And no, I don't mean a 1pt title/author line in the corner.

Some ideas:

Your-Graphic-Design-Professor-Will-Murder-You Sans.
Crap On A Stick Sans.
FML Sans.
I'm Obviously a First Grade Teacher Sans.

BenPanced
12-20-2012, 07:52 AM
When I get my multimillion dollar contract, I'm going to start sending in manuscripts in Arnold Bocklin. 24 pt. Everybody'll see it and think I'm all Dr. Phibes and crap.

ChristinaLayton
12-20-2012, 03:56 PM
When I turned 21 and I continued my writing, I found myself experimenting with different fonts, meaning I would write each WIP in a different font. I remember I wrote one draft in Arial 10 pt., another in Garamond 12 pt., and another one in Georgia 12 pt. I didn't like Georgia 12 pt. To me, and only to me, it's ugly. Back while writing my first drafts in 2010, I would use Verdana 10 pt. It wasn't until I found out what the font is most agents asked their submissions to be in that I settled on Times New Roman 12. In the beginning I didn't like it, but I am used to it now, and that's the font I write my first drafts and all my drafts in. I like the way it looks when it's in 120% zoom.

tutty
12-29-2012, 12:00 AM
I like using Comic Sans occasionally because I don't feel so pressured to write perfectly the first time.

Jupiter
12-29-2012, 12:43 AM
"I always use Comic Sans."

C. Norris

acockey
12-29-2012, 01:29 AM
In Soviet Russia Comic Sans uses you to make fun of yourself

Ken
12-29-2012, 01:39 AM
... all fonts have issues. If they're good in one way, they're crummy in another.

sarrahhakim
12-29-2012, 02:05 AM
I used to like Comic Sans (why, I will never know). When I was little, that was the only font I used. The other day I was looking through my old writing and nearly all of the poems are in Comic Sans. :tongue

Now I can't stand the font.

Silver-Midnight
12-29-2012, 11:20 AM
I still like Comic Sans. I don't know. Truthfully, there are a lot of fonts I like for a completely unexplainable reason.

ETA: I do use for fun things. However, I wouldn't use it for professional things. I would only use Times New Roman or Courier New, unless the publisher or agent said query the MS in a different font.

Eddyz Aquila
12-31-2012, 08:23 PM
I actually wrote my first novel in Comic Sans, I love how the font looks, slightly clumsy. :D

But the final, to-be-sent version of any work will be in Times New Roman.

ChristinaLayton
01-01-2013, 10:02 AM
In Soviet Russia Comic Sans uses you to make fun of yourself


I don't understand. "Uses you to make fun of yourself". Totally lost.

druid12000
01-01-2013, 11:56 AM
I can't believe nobody has posted McSweeney's I'M COMIC SANS, ASSHOLE. (http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-comic-sans-asshole)

I giggled like a loon.

And the first thing I do when opening a new doc is fix all the formatting, including font.

:roll:...still chuckling :)

Stacia Kane
01-01-2013, 04:25 PM
I don't understand. "Uses you to make fun of yourself". Totally lost.

Explanation. (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/in-soviet-russia)

acockey
01-02-2013, 04:33 AM
All hail Stacia Kane...Master Meme explainer..... And this thread keeps going like a bad dream..

benbradley
01-02-2013, 06:22 AM
More liek a bad scream.

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5521210#post5521210

kkbe
01-02-2013, 11:41 PM
Comic Sans walks into a bar. Bartender takes one look and sneers, "We don't serve your type."

acockey
01-03-2013, 12:03 AM
:roll: Horray for our first walks into a bar joke...If there were a super group the would be called "Defenders of that font no one likes, except comic book creators and elementary school teachers"

DOTFNOLECBCAEST for short

TheBladeRoden
01-06-2013, 03:47 PM
Heh, back in the old AOL chat room days I always typed in maroon Papyrus. But those were in my greener years.