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Opty
11-13-2012, 06:42 PM
Seriously, I just don't get why people like NASCAR. I've even grown up in and lived in the South my entire life, and I've never understood why NASCAR has any kind of appeal at all.

It's a bunch of country dudes who drive around a track. Other than the crashes (which are a bad form of entertainment considering that people can be seriously injured or die), I cannot wrap my brain around how it is in any way entertaining...or can even be called a "sport" without laughter ensuing.

And, how do you figure out who to like/support? Sports teams represent entire schools, cities, sometimes states. So, there's a local pride I can understand there. But, drivers represent Mello Yello, or Napa Auto Parts, or something else stupid and consumerist like that. Why do people have favorite drivers? Because they represent their values ("he's a good ol' Christian boy who don't take shit from nobody!"), or they're from the same town, or the guy is cute, or the person just likes spark plugs and caffeine?

I really don't get the entire thing. So...can anyone explain it to me?

Kerosene
11-13-2012, 06:58 PM
Growing up in a Nascar loved family... and knowing two of the biggest names from my hometown...

Yeah, I barely get it. Driving around in a circle, in cars purely built for advertising, left turn, left turn, left turn...

I watch F1 and some rally/rallycross, but I just don't see the appeal of Nascar.


Maybe it's more of the collective, as in the people around you, that grabs people. Then again, there's nothing to really talk about...

Alessandra Kelley
11-13-2012, 07:01 PM
Surely this is a matter of tastes and interests which are deeply individual.

Some people enjoy watching NASCAR races. They should no more be required to justify why they do than I should have to justify why I enjoy pretending to be a magical creature who roams an imaginary world fighting imaginary monsters and solving imaginary problems.

Everyone has different things they enjoy. If we were honest, I think most of us would confess to somewhere liking something that others would find goofy.

Opty
11-13-2012, 07:48 PM
I wasn't asking for "justification."

I was asking for an explanation or list of reasons why people like NASCAR (evidenced by the fact that I asked specific questions). The hope was that a fan could tell me what he/she finds appealing about it.

druid12000
11-13-2012, 08:08 PM
I had a Dale Earnhardt Jr. fan explain the appeal to me. The intricasies and stategies do have an appeal and I did find myself intrigued. For one race. After that, my mind just reverted to the 'they're just going in circles' mentality.
As for calling it a sport, the only way I can see is because of the endurance it takes drive a vehicle at high speeds for hours. That's a bit of a stretch, admittedly, but an argument could be made.

clintl
11-14-2012, 07:08 AM
I wasn't asking for "justification."

I was asking for an explanation or list of reasons why people like NASCAR (evidenced by the fact that I asked specific questions). The hope was that a fan could tell me what he/she finds appealing about it.

My dad was a NASCAR fan, and I think it's mainly because he liked fast cars when he was young, and auto racing was his sports love. He actually was part owner of a drag racing car at one point. I casually pay attention to it because of him.

However, baseball is my real sport love, and i got that my great grandmother and great-great aunt.

thothguard51
11-14-2012, 07:24 AM
Not going to try to explain the appeal of Nascar. You like it or don't.

I don't get the appeal of golf, especially watching it on TV. Its like watching grass grow...

Williebee
11-14-2012, 07:41 AM
I'm a fan of the pit crew performances. It's a dance, an evolution. It's Stomp done in 11 second routines in an environment where more things can seriously hurt or kill you than can't.

The strategy that is involved, especially in the last laps, is interesting.

The racing itself? Who doesn't like to drive fast?

Crash11
01-27-2013, 02:56 AM
I've never found any appeal in NASCAR, but everyone has their thing. I think it deserves to be called a "sport" just as much as poker does (which is to say, not at all), but again, this is just my opinion. I can understand why people like it, even if I would never watch it myself. I'm sure there are plenty of things that I really like that others would scoff at. Like I said, we all have our things my friend.

shadowwalker
01-27-2013, 03:51 AM
Nascar is driving in circles like tennis is bouncing a ball back and forth or basketball is throwing a ball in a hoop. I get bored by all three - which means exactly diddly-squat.

frimble3
01-27-2013, 06:30 AM
I've never been interested in car racing, but it's similar enough to horse racing that I can see the appeal. I don't like live horse races, but I'll watch the big ones on TV.
Televised, you have a better view of events, the interesting bits are explained to you, they tell you the history of the horses, as well as the people involved. It's an event, and you eat or drink whatever you want.
Live, the horses are at a distance, you have to study up to know what's going on, half the track is too far to see clearly, and it's over in a couple of minutes. On the other hand, you can bet, and have that 'part of a group' feeling.
Spectator sports are more interesting when you 'get' what's going on.
When you know something about the participants, the equipment, when you understand a bit about the strategies, and previous events.
When you bore down into the event, and understand that whether it's been raining on the track or not is a big factor, that the horses leading the other horse to the gates are not their understudies. That how a horse loads into the gate might be an indicator of how smoothly the horse will start the race. That a horse that starts fast, might not finish first. That if you watch carefully, you can see a horse, that might have been slower out of the gate, gradually nose his way through the pack to a lead position.
That comes from watching a lot of races, paying attention, and finding answers to any questions that come up.
I imagine NASCAR is much the same, which suggests that NASCAR fans either started with an interest in cars and automotive stuff, or came from a family of fans, and so grew up knowing a lot of the basics.

Ed Panther
01-27-2013, 11:35 PM
Also how do people like present-day country music? Like, I love Johnny Cash, etc (though I don't really consider him country. He always seemed way more rock n roll to me) but Thr country music today is so banal and talentless. The music is so simplistic and unimaginative. It's just awful. Awful.

Ed Panther
01-27-2013, 11:36 PM
Nascar is driving in circles like tennis is bouncing a ball back and forth or basketball is throwing a ball in a hoop. I get bored by all three - which means exactly diddly-squat.

That's not really a good analogy.

Chasing the Horizon
01-28-2013, 12:03 AM
Seriously, I just don't get why people like NASCAR.
I don't get why people like any of the popular sports, lol. At best, they're boring and pointless. At worst, they create a rabid team mentality which brings out the very worst in human nature. From soccer riots to the abuse at Penn State, the craziness over sport is downright disturbing.

And Ed Panther, don't get me started on how intolerably horrible country music (and pop music) are.

shadowwalker
01-28-2013, 12:18 AM
That's not really a good analogy.

Sure it is. Over-simplification reducing a complex series of actions and strategies into seemingly boring repetition.

Dreity
01-28-2013, 12:31 AM
I had a neighbor who's entire apartment was like a shrine to Jeff Gordon, and I still don't get it. I even tried to watch a race or two with my FIL. It's like watching a 6 hour long commercial. I do agree that the pit crews are amazing to watch. I'd like to see that developed into it's own event. (I'm sure it has somewhere.)

I once heard about a little girl who asked her dad how the drivers can go so long without stopping to pee. The dad said they don't have time, so they just go in their suits. Now whenever I happen to catch the end of a race - an extreme rarity it seems - I always inspect the winner's circle for any signs of wet spots. I think the explanation is that they're sweating so much that they just don't need to go?

BlankWhitePage
01-28-2013, 12:50 AM
My parents were obsessed with NASCAR in the 90s. We are all from the South and both of them lived for the races. My dad went to as many as he coud in person even and met many of the drivers, even witnessing Dale Earnhardt's fatal crash.

But the appeal has always been lost on me and strikes me as something invented by rednecks with WAY too much time on their hands.

Dreity
01-28-2013, 12:56 AM
It always made sense to me that Indiana, my home state, was so into NASCAR. Gotta do something with all that flat land.

blacbird
01-28-2013, 05:13 AM
Seriously, I just don't get why people like NASCAR. I've even grown up in and lived in the South my entire life, and I've never understood why NASCAR has any kind of appeal at all.

It's a bunch of country dudes who drive around a track.

You're evoking a dead stereotype for today's NASCAR. The era of the rural Southern good ol' boys has a fork stuck in it. The top guys now come from all over the place:

Tony Stewart -- Indiana
Jimmie Johnson -- California
Jeff Gordon -- California
Ryan Newman -- Indiana
Carl Edwards -- Missouri
Danica Patrick -- Illinois
Clint Bowyer -- Kansas
Kyle and Kurt Busch -- Nevada
Juan Pablo Montoya -- Colombia
Brad Keselowski (this years Nextel Cup winner) -- Michigan
Greg Biffle -- Washington
Kevin Hamlin -- Washingon
Joey Logano -- Connecticut

There's still a supply from Texas, Arkansas, Virginia, etc. But back in the 1970s-1980s, and probably before then, the state of North Carolina could claim about 90% of NASCAR drivers. Now, Dale Jr. is about the only major one left. And he won a race last year for the first time in several years.

(And I'm not a terribly big fan of NASCAR.)

caw

wampuscat
01-28-2013, 09:35 AM
I imagine the appeal is different for someone like me who grew up with a father who worked on cars for a living and later raced his own cars at a local track for fun. When you understand a bit about the cars and what things like camber and aero push mean, it's much more interesting.

It's also a sport that allows more access to its athletes than most other sports, which adds to the appeal for some people. In some ways, it's easier to find someone to root for because the drivers are out there so much. You choose a driver because of their personalities or their abilities, or occasionally their teams or sponsors. In some ways I prefer it to other sports. Sure, you can like a certain team because of where you live or whatever, but free agency, etc. have made teams rotating doors for players. Fantasy sports have had interesting effects on how people follow sports as well.

You might note that I called the drivers athletes, and I stand by that. I know fitness isn't necessarily a requirement for a driver, but neither is it a requirement for baseball, football, or certainly golf. The g forces a driver endures combined with the reactions and coordination needed to drive a car at up to 200 mph through banked corners while inches from another car for hours at a time qualifies them as athletes in my mind.

That said, the glut of mile and 1.5-mile cookie cutter tracks have taken some of the fun out of the sport over the past few years.

Take this all with a grain of salt though, as I love many sports and am a bit of a fanatic. ;)

(Btw, Kasey Kahne's also from Washington.)

Crash11
01-29-2013, 09:13 AM
I don't get why people like any of the popular sports, lol. At best, they're boring and pointless. At worst, they create a rabid team mentality which brings out the very worst in human nature. From soccer riots to the abuse at Penn State, the craziness over sport is downright disturbing.

And Ed Panther, don't get me started on how intolerably horrible country music (and pop music) are.

I'm right there with you on the country music, I cringe when I hear ANY country song. But I don't think it's fair to say popular sports bring out the worst in people. There are those who take it too seriously, like those Dodger's fans who dragged the guy from his car and beat him, but let's be honest, those scum bags would have done that ANYWHERE, and for ANY other reason. Sports, in my opinion, do more good for people than harm.

rugcat
02-03-2013, 12:26 AM
Also how do people like present-day country music? Like, I love Johnny Cash, etc (though I don't really consider him country. He always seemed way more rock n roll to me) but Thr country music today is so banal and talentless. The music is so simplistic and unimaginative. It's just awful. Awful.And why is the correlation between NASCAR fans and country music fans so strong?

Answer that and you'll be on to something.

Michael "O"
02-03-2013, 01:06 AM
Live horse racing.....As opposed to what.....Dead horse racing. Maybe they could be teamed up for more HP.

Think about it....One dead horse = 1DHP. But 4 dead horses = 4DHP!

But even that makes more sense than car racing. The Talladega Race Track in Alabama (that's a clue) used to have daredevils perform before the race. They were getting sausage heads to perform whatever Evil Kinevle record was plus another million cars or whatever. There was no chance in hell of the stunt being successful.

But no one cared. It brought in more fans to see an idiot turn himself into a skid mark on the track. And they did this 2 years in a row until some Einstein told them it was "not a good long term business idea."

Maybe I missed something. They always race counter-clock wise.....Na...Their friggin idiot. Not the racers, the fans. I would like to see a camera on the fans at a wrasslin match, to hell with the goons in the ring. Show me the screaming morons that pay money to see that crap.

But being a heterosexual male and completely objective, there is something captivating when 2 women with big tits and scantly clothed are going at it in the ring. I wonder if they circle each other in a counter-clock movement before locking up.

Michael "O"
02-03-2013, 01:40 AM
Really?

You don't know?

There was an article in Scientific American just last month on this topic. The Frequency Effect on the Highly Evolved Almosticus Homo Sapian.

The Super Humans in Return to the Planet of the Apes were able to use visual control to scare the sheit outa apes and keep them away. And that was a good thing. But the apes brain had not evolved enough for the Super Humans to use their mental telepathy to control them. And that was a bad thing.

Now with this new species, Almosticus, they can be reached by certain frequencies. Quite interesting. That frequency can be altered only slightly and the change in its effect is amazing to see. Some frequencies will have Almosticus sitting quietly, calmly and sometimes even crying. But change that frequency ever so slightly and its as if Almosticus takes a step or two back down that evolutionary ladder.

Love that SI magazine. There's power in knowledge.

Silver King
02-08-2013, 06:45 AM
...Maybe I missed something. They always race counter-clock wise.....Na...Their friggin idiot. Not the racers, the fans. I would like to see a camera on the fans at a wrasslin match, to hell with the goons in the ring. Show me the screaming morons that pay money to see that crap.

But being a heterosexual male and completely objective, there is something captivating when 2 women with big tits and scantly clothed are going at it in the ring. I wonder if they circle each other in a counter-clock movement before locking up.
Michael, I think you've seriously misjudged your audience here. We value responses that are engaging, but please do not insult the fan base and/or athletes of any particular sport.

Keep that in mind should you decide to post in this room again.

robeiae
02-08-2013, 08:09 PM
I don't get the appeal of golf, especially watching it on TV. Its like watching grass grow...
Agree. I enjoy playing golf, however.

As to Nascar, part of the real appeal is being there in person, imo. It's a very different experience from watching it on TV. And I think many fans who enjoy it on TV have been to races in person, so perceive things differently than the casual viewer.

Me, I'll watch a little Nascar from time to time. As is the case with an NBA game, though, I really only enjoy the last part of it. And a great finish in Nascar, while far from common, is riveting imo. There's an awful lot going on and there's a reason why the big names pull off the big wins, just as is the case in the NBA, Golf, or any other sport.

Shadow Dragon
02-09-2013, 01:52 PM
I think with most sports, you either get it or you don't. I'm not sure what it is, but there is something about any given sport that really appeals to certain people, while also repelling others. This is the case for racing, baseball (another one that some people absolutely love while others find boring as hell), football, golf, basketball, etc.

meowzbark
02-09-2013, 02:23 PM
I'm not a die-hard NASCAR fan, although I have seen the races live twice. Watching NASCAR on television isn't that fun, unless there are quite a few wrecks. There is something about watching a bunch of cars smash into each other at 180+ mph that is addicting. It's even better when you don't feel guilty about the drivers involved, since most escape uninjured.

NASCAR fans are vastly different from those of any other sport. These are people who showcase their farmer tans, missing teeth, Rebel flags, and dress from head to foot in advertisements. Jeff Foxworthy would be impressed how "country" some of these fans are.

Watching the race in person is an adrenaline rush. Seeing a car crash in person is intense. Add in the good food and seemingly endless beer, and you have a great time.

That said, I haven't watched a NASCAR race in over a year. My husband does watch motocross religiously, which is dirt bike racing.

Stacia Kane
02-09-2013, 05:32 PM
NASCAR fans are vastly different from those of any other sport. These are people who showcase their farmer tans, missing teeth, Rebel flags, and dress from head to foot in advertisements. Jeff Foxworthy would be impressed how "country" some of these fans are.




Yeah, my dad has watched NASCAR all my life. He's not remotely like the people you've described.



A lot of NASCAR fans aren't, in fact, no matter how awesome and superior it might make some people feel to stereotype people who like cars as dumb racist hayseeds with poor hygiene.

Jamesaritchie
02-09-2013, 07:08 PM
Seriously, I just don't get why people like NASCAR. I've even grown up in and lived in the South my entire life, and I've never understood why NASCAR has any kind of appeal at all.

It's a bunch of country dudes who drive around a track. Other than the crashes (which are a bad form of entertainment considering that people can be seriously injured or die), I cannot wrap my brain around how it is in any way entertaining...or can even be called a "sport" without laughter ensuing.

And, how do you figure out who to like/support? Sports teams represent entire schools, cities, sometimes states. So, there's a local pride I can understand there. But, drivers represent Mello Yello, or Napa Auto Parts, or something else stupid and consumerist like that. Why do people have favorite drivers? Because they represent their values ("he's a good ol' Christian boy who don't take shit from nobody!"), or they're from the same town, or the guy is cute, or the person just likes spark plugs and caffeine?

I really don't get the entire thing. So...can anyone explain it to me?

Go get in a car. Drive teh car to some backcountry roads. Bury the speedometer and slide around a few hairpin turns. If this doesn't do it for you, you're lost. NASCAR started with running moonshine on these same roads.

I would say that ninety percent of fans I know are rednecks, but they're as smart and as educated as anyone. They just like fast cars and having fun. Many of them worked on muscle cars as teens, like driving fast, like a cold Bud, like the roar of the engines, and the smell of gasoline and hot rubber.

But NASCAR fans are no difefrent than people who watch any American sport, and they are not just people with farmer tans and missing teeth. That's idiocy, pure stereotyping by people who can't see what's in front of their faces.

We often support a driver raised in our area, or a driver that shows he has what it takes to be a winner. I love football, too, but I never believe for a second that the team represents me in any way. Driving bumper to bumper at 200 miles per hour takes reflexes and courage, and it darned sure is a sport, but only a turd goes to see the crashes. No real fan wants to see anyone injured, let alone killed.

Fast cars, particularly muscle cars, have been a way of life for decades. They're fun to build, fun to drive, and millions of men, and more than a few women, have been involved.

And, Michael, if there's power in knowledge, you're the weakest person on the planet.

Silver King
02-10-2013, 03:35 AM
Meowzbark, you must have missed the post I shared (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7942785&postcount=25) on the previous page of this thread. I've copied it below for your benefit. You can simply replace the other member's username for yours:


Michael, I think you've seriously misjudged your audience here. We value responses that are engaging, but please do not insult the fan base and/or athletes of any particular sport.

Keep that in mind should you decide to post in this room again. Please note that I'm not keen on repeating myself, and I trust this will be the last time I have to do so in this discussion.

Maryn
02-10-2013, 03:43 AM
Wait, Mr. Silverking, I wasn't listening. What did you just say?

Maryn, ducking

Sirion
02-10-2013, 03:44 AM
God damned people having fun wrong.

Silver King
02-10-2013, 04:14 AM
Wait, Mr. Silverking, I wasn't listening. What did you just say?

Maryn, ducking
Good thing your head was still down when I read that! ;)

Stacia Kane
02-10-2013, 05:23 PM
The thing is, I grew up in a bigtime gearhead family. My dad had a 67 Mustang fastback which he'd completely rebuilt for racing: racing cams, no exhaust, big fat slicks, the whole deal. It wasn't street-legal at ALL but every once in a while we'd take it out for a ride to test whatever new part he'd put into it or whatever. He spent almost every winter Saturday in the garage, and almost every Sunday we all ate popcorn (which my dad made on the stovetop) watching either football or NASCAR.

He used to run quartermiles in the Mustang every summer and had a room full of trophies. He had a bunch of friends there, and some who raced funny cars and drag racers, too. I spent half my childhood at the track or at auto swap meets. My Big Wheel was covered with Tarantula and Crane stickers.

I love cars (there's a reason why one of my characters drives a '69 Chevelle; I wanted to have an awesome car in the book, although my Ford-fan dad wasn't thrilled, lol, but he understands since until the early 90s that particular car with that particular engine was the fastest car ever to come off a production line). I like auto racing. The smell of a racetrack--although now you don't get the burning clutch smell so much--is really evocative for me. So it really annoys me to see that "Oh they're all dumb racist sheep with bad teeth" crap. You wouldn't see a thread started here devoted to making fun of tennis fans or people who watch chess matches, but for some reason it's cool to rip on people who like auto racing as if they're some inferior breed of human.


There was a story on Yahoo today about high school girls in CT who posed doing Nazi salutes because they hate their Jewish teammate. I bet they've never been to an auto race in their lives.

Ashwood
02-13-2013, 04:14 AM
My dad loves NASCAR. Has favorite drivers, the whole works. Maybe it's a dad thing, and we aren't really supposed to understand it?