Why Goodreads.com is better than Facebook for book promotion

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I am writing this in the hopes that it helps anyone who has limited funds and is trying to figure out how best to use their resources to promote their book. I want to share my experiences advertising my novel, Confessions of an Internet Pornographer, on Facebook and Goodreads.com. First of all, if you do not want to read any further, I believe Goodreads.com was the best promotional tool of the two, read-on to learn why.

The key is "targeted traffic," which is really just a modern version of what sales people have always referred to as "shoppers vs. buyers." Think of shoppers as people walking through a mall casually looking at store displays and shelves. They'll see something that interests them, pick it up, stare at it and then put it back and keep going to the next store. Buyers are people with money in hand eager to buy exactly what you are selling. A guy wants a new shirt, guy sees shirt, guy tries on shirt - it fit! - guy buys shirt. Done. Targeted traffic refers to buying advertising that will reach buyers, not shoppers.

I began advertising my book on Facebook in January. I ran four ads, and constantly tweaked them in order to improve my click-though-rate. A pretty good indicator of how your ads are doing. It was my only method of promotion at the time. My ads generated constant "likes" for my Facebook page, but they did not generate any sales. Discouraged I learned about Goodreads on absolutewrite.com and spent $100 to run a campaign using the very same ads I perfected on Facebook (after all they were proven traffic generators.) Here are my stats for Goodreads vs. Facebook.

Facebook stats from January 2012.

Spent $200.00
Impressions 1,262,341
total Clicks 446
CTR 0.035% (click though rate)
CPC$0.45 (Cents per click)


SALES: 1 book


Goodreads stats from July 2012 (same ads, same targeted audience)
spent: $200.00


total impressions 691,399
total clicks 682
ctr for all time 0.1%
cpc for all time $0.50
Sales: 3 on Amazon, 1 on Createspace




As you can see, I was much more successful advertising on Goodreads than on Facebook. I spent almost equal amounts of money, over a shorter period of time, less people looked at my ads, and yet I still received more clicks and my sales were better with Goodreads. Why? I believe the answer is targeted traffic. With Goodereads I reached book buyers, not shoppers. Your FB ad might be read by 1 billion people, but more READERS with cash in hand are on Goodreads.

Another thing I like about Goodreads is that ability to track your book, to a certain degree. On Facebook you'll see your ads reach, your click-through-rate, and the number of clicks your novel got, but that's it. Sales will tell you if your ads are really doing anything. But Goodreads gives you an author dashboard that gives you everything Facebook does, and more.

It looks like this:


number of works: 1
added by unique users: 19
fans: 0
ratings: 3 ratings (4.00 avg)
text reviews: 1
to-read: 1 person
currently-reading: 2 people


That kind of information is not only valuable for advertising and other decision making. It's also exhilarating and may be the only light during those dark times when you wonder if your book is lost in cyber-space. I hope this helps anyone trying to promote their book on a limited budget. Good luck.

Luis Mario
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Ditto to what Veinglory said.

Two hundred bucks to sell four books? And the difference between the two ads could well be within the margin of error for the experiment -- if you or someone else did the same thing, would the numbers be remotely similar?

Bottom line: $200 to make -- even assuming a $10 book with 70% royalties -- $28? That's not good, and it's not better than spending zero dollars for zero sales, in which case, you'd at least not be $172 in the red.
 

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For any advertising dollars spent, you always have to weigh the cost vs the expected return. In this case, the cost of advertising does not justify the return.

As has been stated time after time, most self published writers find that paid advertising has not improved their sales, period. Of course there are exceptions, but in general, paid advertising for books by unknown authors does not work well...
 

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Luis, thanks for sharing the data and thoughts. It's very helpful, even though to me it's helpful in understanding why I wouldn't want to advertise through either site.

Note that I love GoodReads.

My question, however, is what were your own conclusions? How do you feel about spending $200 to sell four books, let alone $400 to sell 5 books? By your presentation, it seems that you think this a worthwhile endeavor, and I would love some insight as to why.

We all have different aims and desires when it comes to writing, and some color on yours would help put this in perspective.

Thanks again for sharing the data.
 

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There's a few other variables at play as well, like the shopping seasons involved (Facebook was just after Christmas.). Not questioning whatever your conclusions are, just pointing out that there is more to it.
 

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I wouldn't spend any money on advertising, at all.

I would send out review copies, and offer E-Arcs for those who are fine with ebooks. So there would be postage costs there.

I would have a Web site, but I wouldn't spend money beyond the hosting and domain.

I would offer giveaways on blogs, Good Reads and Library Thing.

I absolutely wouldn't pay for ads, online or in print.

Readers who buy books buy them based on word of mouth/written reccs from people they know, trusted reviewers, and book packaging (i.e. cover, cover copy, point of sale displays, online data on retail sites).

Book buyers don't buy books based on ads--an ad may let them know that Favorite Author has a new book out, but they'd likely buy the book anyway.
 
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Thanks for posting this. I had been wondering how effective Goodreads ads were, and this does make me think I would want to try other strategies regarding promotion of books. But knowing what has and hasn't already worked is helpful, either way.
 

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I'm surprised that no one ever seems to mention radio interviews. I often listen to interviews of authors on national NPR shows, and am aware that hosts of local shows interview writers in their respective areas. Have any of you tried to score radio interviews?
 

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I'm surprised that no one ever seems to mention radio interviews. I often listen to interviews of authors on national NPR shows, and am aware that hosts of local shows interview writers in their respective areas. Have any of you tried to score radio interviews?

I have a radio ad running for the next 12 weeks and a radio interview about my book on December 9th. I am eager to see how they impact sales!

I agree with the OP that Goodreads is a very effective tool for selling books. My first self-published book is doing quite well with sales, and I attribute that all to Goodreads. However, I haven't bought any ads there. I don't talk about my book there, either (or not much, unless it comes up naturally); I just interact with other readers, as a reader. I've naturally made a lot of casual contacts there who've checked out my book as a result of getting to know me. I think that approach leaves a much better impression on readers than talking about your book too much or trying to hard-sell it. But yes, Goodreads is fantastic...it's full of readers who are specifically looking for more books to read!
 

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Goodreads is great, but paid adverts aren't the best use of money there. Better to spend it on printing and mailing out books for giveaways (in the case of a self-published author with a printed book... others won't need to spend anything). Giveaways generate some reviews and people add the book to their 'to read' list (they won't all buy it later, but some will, and just having it in their library might encourage their friends to check the book out).
 

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My first self-published book is doing quite well with sales, and I attribute that all to Goodreads. However, I haven't bought any ads there. I don't talk about my book there, either (or not much, unless it comes up naturally); I just interact with other readers, as a reader. I've naturally made a lot of casual contacts there who've checked out my book as a result of getting to know me. I think that approach leaves a much better impression on readers than talking about your book too much or trying to hard-sell it.

QFT.

Online is about the conversation. It's about participating, genuinely, in the conversation. Yes, you link to your books (or better--your Website) in your Profile, or you sig, but you don't constantly attempt to market/sell your books.

I see new members doing this on AW, as well as elsewhere, where they work their book title or the fact that they've written a %&#(* book into every single post.

They're not participating. They're certainly not really engaging with the community, they're not engaging in conversation, they're pimping their book.

Don't. Just don't.

I buy every damn thing Jo Walton writes, and have since she sold her first novel.

I buy them because she wrote incredibly smart, thoughtful, and engaging posts on UseNet (which, by the way, is how her editor and publisher found her as well).

Jo Walton has this year won the Hugo, the Nebula, and has been nominated for the World Fantasy Award for her fabulous novel Among Others.

And she's deserved them, and I'd vote for her to win World Fantasy in November.

She's still engaging in the conversation. She's not pimping her books.
 

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Wow!

What have I concluded? Gee, now I'm not sure. I was just trying to share.

Thank you everyone for you views. I appreciate the advice.
 

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...not only is simply engaging in the conversation the best way to make a great impression on readers, but that's the way WE all want to be treated by other writers, right? Nobody wants to be beaten over the head with somebody else's book ads. But everybody likes to have interesting conversations with smart people. Treat people the way you want to be treated, yo. They will find your books because they like and respect you.
 

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The reason I like AW so much is because you will always get good honest advice. Thanks for the help. You've all saved me alot of money. Time to try other things.
 

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I agree that advertising doesn't work that well for authors. Although I write fiction so will use advertising as part of the overall plan because there is an already established subject matter and therefore already established websites to use.

I tried FB ads once and they dont work, but then they don't work for many and are known to be generally not very usefull for all kinds of business.

Might an irony with Good reads be that the terms you will be competing for be there already (if it's based on bidding) such as "Romance", "Novella", "Catasrophe", "Thriller" and whatever genres and descriptions there can be for fiction.

If I where a fiction author I would think about using places that DON'T accomodate for fictional things, which is basically everywhere except a site for fiction authors!

Bing / Yahoo PPC (PayPerClick) might be less competitive because people use them to sell actual things, but not thought's and genres.

Go to Google or Yahoo! and search "Romance" or even "Romance Novel" or "Thriller" (fiction authors know more about genres than me so you can think of more I'm sure) and see how many sponsored results you get. I did this some months ago and saw nothing, just did now and still nothing.

What about organic search in the same vein? try the word "Romance"

https://adwords.google.com/o/Target...&__u=1000000000&ideaRequestType=KEYWORD_IDEAS

165,000 global Exact match and Low competition for the word "Romance". Wow! but would it be a good conversion? i.e. what are people who type Romance into a search engine looking for? a book?

My 2 non-fiction book sites are about 5000 Global exact match low competition between several long tail keywords (per site). and I'm on page 2 - 3 of google for several of them after an initial part time SEO effort. Can't prove it sorry I'm kind of secretive (I'm DIY SEO and not trying to sell you anything here either, I'd always recommend DIY).

The reason my non-fiction books have more competition in organic search is because they are about something that exists. 165,000 global Exact match and Low competition simply does not exist for commercially viable non-fiction or tangible products.

If I were a fiction author that would definately be one thing to explore.
 
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Luis, I honestly don't think there's much substitute for patience in this self-publishing thing. The book I self-published a year ago and put no money whatsoever into has only started to earn good money (and lots of happy readers) over the past several months. It took time for the force of word-of-mouth to build up to the point where the book is now selling quite well. I made $650 in profits from that book just in the past week alone. Again, I stress that I haven't spent any money on it. But it did take almost a year to start seeing a respectable monthly payoff on that book.

With a more recent book (just released at the end of September) I am trying more targeted promotion, utilizing blogs that deal with issues related to those in my novel. I will track how that goes for me in this thread. You might want to follow it to see what happens. I can't guarantee anything will. So far I have spent $90 for radio ads (the first one airs this coming Sunday) and if I can get away with not spending a penny more, I will. But I am trying some actual promotion with this book, which I did not try with the first one -- the one that's now selling well.
 

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Might an irony with Good reads be that the terms you will be competing for be there already (if it's based on bidding) such as "Romance", "Novella", "Catasrophe", "Thriller" and whatever genres and descriptions there can be for fiction.

If I where a fiction author I would think about using places that DON'T accomodate for fictional things, which is basically everywhere except a site for fiction authors!

Bing / Yahoo PPC (PayPerClick) might be less competitive because people use them to sell actual things, but not thought's and genres.

I think this is approaching the whole idea of "using Goodreads" in a counter-productive manner. Authors should not use Goodreads as an overt advertising tool. Authors should use it to socialize. It's just another Facebook, but everybody there is a reader. Don't go to Goodreads and look at it as competing with other authors who have a similar product to sell. Those who use Goodreads with an agenda (to sell their book to readers) will not sell their books to readers at all. Those who use Goodreads to meet interesting new people, discuss books they like to read, and yes, when relevant, perhaps discuss writing without flogging one's own book, will sell their books, because, as Medievalist pointed out, allowing readers to get to know you and making a good impression on them just as a person, not as a salesman, is about the smartest thing you can do.
 

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When I read the original heading I was thinking strictly of networking, not advertising. Ads don't work on me. Anything smacking of hype just turns me off. Word of mouth works since I know the reading tastes of my friends. Reviews work on me but not because they say "good" or "bad"; the devil (or the sale) is in the details the reviewer includes. The only review I have received so far was quite satisfying so, of course, I mention it everywhere I can but for me it seems most effective in a Goodreads (or AW) context. My problem was that so much of my idiosyncratic training as a writer came in seeking out jobs like truck driver and prison guard. Many of my FB contacts are not literary types. My first sale was to a truck driving friend I re-connected with on FB, but neither of us were very typical OTR gear jockeys and I fear 90% of my FB contacts don't read at all.
 

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Side bar observation on demographics: since I have started using FB about two weeks ago to seriously look for people I met on my vagabond journeys I have mostly only found the working class joes on it; for the hoity-toity intellectuals I went to grad schools with I have had better luck with LinkedIn or university faculty websites (since that is where so many of them ended up.)
 

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I think this is approaching the whole idea of "using Goodreads" in a counter-productive manner. Authors should not use Goodreads as an overt advertising tool. Authors should use it to socialize. It's just another Facebook, but everybody there is a reader. Don't go to Goodreads and look at it as competing with other authors who have a similar product to sell. Those who use Goodreads with an agenda (to sell their book to readers) will not sell their books to readers at all. Those who use Goodreads to meet interesting new people, discuss books they like to read, and yes, when relevant, perhaps discuss writing without flogging one's own book, will sell their books, because, as Medievalist pointed out, allowing readers to get to know you and making a good impression on them just as a person, not as a salesman, is about the smartest thing you can do.


I'm not denying that engaging with others without the need for a sale is part of it, or that it would be too much effort when you don't need to engage with all, only a relative handfull of the most interested.

http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/03/1000_true_fans.php/
 

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I admit I've never gone to kk.org; I'll check it out. Goodreads makes engaging with only a handful of the most interested very easy; check out their Groups feature and search for a group pertaining to any aspect of your novel. There is one out there (probably more than one), I guarantee it.
 
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