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KyraDune
08-15-2012, 07:18 PM
Say you had a pint, half Everclear half Devil's Creek Vodka with a splash of absinthe. Could a person drink that? I'm trying to make up a drink that would probably kill you if you drank it, or at least make you really really sick. Something no sane person would even try to drink. Any help would be appreciated.

scarletpeaches
08-15-2012, 07:20 PM
I assume your character isn't Scottish? :D

It depends on their sex, age, build, tolerance. I used to have an INSANE tolerance for alcohol and could likely have drunk anyone on AW under the table but now? Half a glass of wine and I'm anybody's. (Shut up.)

archerjoe
08-15-2012, 07:30 PM
Even in my worst liver-abusing days, a concoction like that would have had me spilling my guts all over the bathroom, if I made it that far. One problem: that would be difficult to choke down.

scarletpeaches
08-15-2012, 07:32 PM
I don't know what Everclear is; it's not sold over here, or if it is, I've never heard of it.

A pint of something with vodka in it, though? You'd need a strong stomach. And in all seriousness, a death wish.

KyraDune
08-15-2012, 07:35 PM
Everclear is about 190 proof, around 95 per cent alcohol. Thanks for the help.

benbradley
08-15-2012, 07:40 PM
I recall (and google to verify) that Everclear is 190 proof (95 percent alcohol, or as strong as it can reasonably be produced - it's really hard to make near-100-percent alcohol - at such high purity it quickly absorbs water from the air). Wikipedia says Vodka is 80 proof, (40 percent), so what you've got is 135 proof or 67 percent alcohol.

An eight ounce glass of that will surely get you drunk, and if you don't weigh much it may be enough to cause alcohol poisoning. Two or three of those will probably do it for anyone.

I've heard of an immediate danger with drinking high-alcohol-content drinks. There's this flap in your throat that switches between the lungs when you breathe and the stomach when you swallow. A high-alcohol liquid can paralyze the muscle that operates the flap, so that it won't go back to connect the throat to the lungs. From that you won't be able to breathe, and you die within minutes.

Archerbird
08-15-2012, 07:42 PM
Why not just have them drink a pint of everclear?
I don't think the vodka would make much difference one way or the other.

stray
08-15-2012, 07:44 PM
A pint of spirits? Who would want to drink that? Even hardcore alkies have some class. If there is a choice involved then I'd say you would have trouble making any character drink a pint of spirits - unless she or he was young and foolish or had some kinda funnel set-up going on.

archerjoe
08-15-2012, 07:48 PM
I don't know what Everclear is; it's not sold over here, or if it is, I've never heard of it.

A pint of something with vodka in it, though? You'd need a strong stomach. And in all seriousness, a death wish.

Everclear is a grain alcohol product generally used for mixing. It's commonly sold at 190 proof (95% alcohol) unless prohibited by law and then it's sold at 151 proof (about 75% alcohol).

The only time I've had Everclear is at a "garbage can" party in college. The cost of admission is to pour a bottle of something alcoholic into a new, clean garbage can. There was a base of something fruity like Kool-aid. Someone added a liter of Everclear and the party was over shortly after that. People passed out on the floor, couches, in the hallways, in the bathroom, etc.

benbradley
08-15-2012, 07:51 PM
There's another brand of 190 proof sold in the US, Golden Grain. I'd advise against the use of either one for consumption (um, don't ask), unless you're trying to kill someone.

Archerbird
08-15-2012, 09:22 PM
A pint of spirits? Who would want to drink that? Even hardcore alkies have some class. If there is a choice involved then I'd say you would have trouble making any character drink a pint of spirits - unless she or he was young and foolish or had some kinda funnel set-up going on.

Eh? Were talking about a regular 1 pint bar glass/mug here, right?

Anyway, 1/2 a pint of everclear should do most of the trick, or at least be enough to make a person with normal alchol consumption sick.

Snick
08-15-2012, 09:43 PM
I have known people who could down that mixture without laughing at the floor, but it can't be done in a single draught. It would take an hour, or so, and one would expect to eat some peanuts or crackers with cheese to give the stomach something to keep it busy.

Yes, I just calculated it, and I watched a guy drink that much. He survived and even walked, kind of.

StephanieFox
08-15-2012, 10:37 PM
You can't drink a pint of Everclear. Yuck. The mix is to make the cocktail less vile.

Over what period of time is this cocktail downed? That makes a difference.

By the way, the psychoactive properties of absenthe is highly overrated. The supposed active ingredient, wormwood, is in short supply in the drink. It's very bitter and you probably couldn't drink it it it were in higher consntrations. But, most have a higher alcohol rate than most drinks.

Buffysquirrel
08-15-2012, 10:40 PM
People have drunk drain cleaner, bleach, and various acids. You can drink anything if you make your mind up to it. Keeping it down is another thing.

Snick
08-15-2012, 10:48 PM
By the way, the psychoactive properties of absenthe is highly overrated. The supposed active ingredient, wormwood, is in short supply in the drink. It's very bitter and you probably couldn't drink it it it were in higher concentrations. But, most have a higher alcohol rate than most drinks.

Careful examination has shown that alcohol is responsible for all of the effects of absinthe. The wormwood is just a garnish.

amschilling
08-15-2012, 11:08 PM
A pint glass has 32 ozs. I'm not sure how many folks could down 16 oz. of Everclear plus 16 oz. of vodka and absinthe and walk away with a pulse. So yeah, that's a nasty cocktail you've got going.

If you're talking a male protag, over 240 lbs, drinking regular hard liquor, they'd hit a BAC of .16 at 10 drinks (1.25oz) in 40 minutes. That's 80 proof stuff, not 190. With a pint, you're talking 26 1.25oz drinks. Then take into account that Everclear is basically paint thinner, and you're easily edging into the coma and death zone. A hardcore alcoholic may fair better, but the average Joe is going to be hurting bad.

WeaselFire
08-15-2012, 11:23 PM
Grain alcohol (Everclear et. al.) is/was a staple at Frat parties. Trash Can Punch, designed to get the girls drunk (never worked, the guys passed out first...), Purple Passions (Grain alcohol and grape juice), Mystery Punch or whatever. The only time (That I remember clearly) I saw someone drink straight grain alcohol it came back out faster than it went in.

On the other hand, Absinthe was outlawed due to it's psychoactive properties. In the last 20 years, people have realized that it really doesn't have any. Absinthe (the ones I've seen) are about 151 proof. About that same as a decent rum. :)

Any of these can lead to alcohol poisoning, if the subject can keep them down. More likely is suffocating in your own vomit.

Jeff

Snick
08-16-2012, 12:47 AM
There are 16 ounces in a pint, and there are 32 ounces in a quart.

onesecondglance
08-16-2012, 01:10 AM
I've heard of an immediate danger with drinking high-alcohol-content drinks. There's this flap in your throat that switches between the lungs when you breathe and the stomach when you swallow. A high-alcohol liquid can paralyze the muscle that operates the flap, so that it won't go back to connect the throat to the lungs. From that you won't be able to breathe, and you die within minutes.

That flap is called the epiglottis; as to whether that really happens, I don't know.

veinglory
08-16-2012, 01:36 AM
So equivalent to about a litre of ethanol? Yes that could make person very unwell

frimble3
08-16-2012, 01:58 AM
Why not just have them drink a pint of everclear?
I don't think the vodka would make much difference one way or the other.

Well, the vodka would help dilute the Everclear, I suppose.
I've known people who drank the Polish version: 'spiritus', but that was in little shot-glass quantities. Many, many little shot-glass quantities. One after the other.
I don't know that even my mum's friend Mr.F would drink a pint in one go.
But if he was still alive, he'd be pleased to make the experiment for you. :D

blackrose602
08-16-2012, 02:01 AM
I used to have an insanely high tolerance--5'5" and 100 lbs soaking wet, and I could drink every guy I knew under the table. Then I tried Purple Passion (Everclear and grape juice) at a club in New Orleans (where I lived at the time). I made it through three glasses--about two shots of Everclear per glass. First I got horribly dizzy, then angry. Tried to walk the six blocks home, forgot where I lived, and started blacking out. Sat down on some random stairs and called my dad to pick me up. Spent the night puking my guts out.

That said, I've known a couple of people who could pull off that quantity. The Irish guy who once lined up 26 Irish Car Bombs (stout, Irish cream and whiskey) on the bar, did them all in rapid succession and still made it back to the hostel in one piece comes to mind. But it's exceptionally rare and requires an alcoholic-level tolerance along with an iron-clad stomach.

Dave Hardy
08-16-2012, 03:37 AM
In Florida Everclear was a key ingredient in Hunch Punch, where the Everclear was mixed with fruit punch, and often some actual fruit. It would get you very drunk.

I recall one ol' boy sipping Everclear straight from the bottle. He passed it to a friend who wanted to show how tough he was. Took one sip and puked. Good times...

amschilling
08-16-2012, 06:04 AM
There are 16 ounces in a pint, and there are 32 ounces in a quart.

Yup, you're right. My bad! But still vomit-worthy. 16 oz is going to mess a person up if they drink it fast. Heck, 16 oz of a college-grade Everclear screwdriver will mess a gal up, too. Not that I have any experience with that......

shaldna
08-16-2012, 12:08 PM
Say you had a pint, half Everclear half Devil's Creek Vodka with a splash of absinthe. Could a person drink that? I'm trying to make up a drink that would probably kill you if you drank it, or at least make you really really sick. Something no sane person would even try to drink. Any help would be appreciated.

Course they could. Whether they'd keep it down, and the effects it would have are another story.

I did a rough calculation and you'd be looking at a drink that was about 60% alcohol, calculated out and that's about a pint worth of vodka/gin/rum etc in terms of proof - which is about, what, two thirds of a standard 70cl bottle?

I know a lot of people who can get through a whole 70cl (ten glass) bottle on their own - I mean, that's only 5 doubles, right? I know I sure as hell can.

But I have friends who can't.

And this is where individual factors come into play - metabolism, age, build, tolerance etc.

It also depends on WHAT you are drinking as to how it effects you - some folk, like my brother, just cannot drink wine. It literally kills him for days. Some folks get really, really drunk very quickly on things like champagne, others can drink beer all night long (16-20 pints) with no ill effects.



That said, I've known a couple of people who could pull off that quantity. The Irish guy who once lined up 26 Irish Car Bombs (stout, Irish cream and whiskey) on the bar, did them all in rapid succession and still made it back to the hostel in one piece comes to mind. But it's exceptionally rare and requires an alcoholic-level tolerance along with an iron-clad stomach.

Where I come from this is normal.






*shame*

boron
08-16-2012, 02:16 PM
Alcohol poisoning is common, but death from alcohol poisoning (caused by alcohol itself) is not so common as people often believe. Most of alcohol-related deaths after acute drinking are due to hypothermia, choking on a drinker's own vomit and injuries.

After heavy drinking, a drinker may fall into a coma what prevents him from further drinking... I personally don't think suicide with a pint of strong alcohol is a plausible scenario; repeated vomiting, stupor (deep sleep) or coma - this is what you can expect.

KyraDune
08-16-2012, 04:19 PM
Thanks for all the input, everybody. I'm not actually trying to kill my MC with a drink, I'm just wanting her to order something most people probably wouldn't. Because when she orders it the bartender asks if she has a death wish, so I wanted to be sure I wasn't using a combination most anyone would drink.

boron
08-16-2012, 04:28 PM
One question is how many bartenders would give a pint of a so strong drink to anyone...

Snick
08-16-2012, 04:54 PM
Yup, you're right. My bad! But still vomit-worthy. 16 oz is going to mess a person up if they drink it fast. Heck, 16 oz of a college-grade Everclear screwdriver will mess a gal up, too. Not that I have any experience with that......

It probably would mess one up, but that's no reason not to try.

Snick
08-16-2012, 04:59 PM
Thanks for all the input, everybody. I'm not actually trying to kill my MC with a drink, I'm just wanting her to order something most people probably wouldn't. Because when she orders it the bartender asks if she has a death wish, so I wanted to be sure I wasn't using a combination most anyone would drink.

There are many less unreasonable things for her to ask for, but this would make for an interesting conversation with the bartender. In some places bartenders have a legal responsibility for the condition of customers, and bars certainly do. I think that most places would refuse to serve that drink.

onesecondglance
08-16-2012, 05:02 PM
One question is how many bartenders would give a pint of so strong drink to anyone...

Damn right. In the UK you could lose your licence for knowingly endangering the health of a patron. It's also illegal to serve someone you know to be intoxicated...

glutton
08-16-2012, 08:06 PM
I once read some guy on the internet say his 120 pound girlfriend drank a whole bottle of Everclear and didn't die.

But she's probably Wonder Woman.

Beachgirl
08-16-2012, 10:02 PM
When I was in college I had an iron stomach and a high tolerance for alcohol. We used to go to a club that served Watermelon 151 shots (watermelon liquor and 151 Everclear). My record was 11 shots. That was after 4 or 5 Long Island Iced Teas. Never threw up that night, but the details are a little fuzzy.

Archerbird
08-16-2012, 11:51 PM
I think that most places would refuse to serve that drink.

Probably by law as well.

Snick
08-16-2012, 11:59 PM
Probably by law as well.

Or if they don't want their insurance premiums to rise.

frimble3
08-17-2012, 10:45 AM
My sister stopped waitressing in bars when they started holding servers responsible for drunks. They can come in, loaded, but looking okay, from somewhere else, you serve them a couple of drinks and they can't walk, and it's your fault.

Flagship
08-17-2012, 11:29 PM
Give her bottom-shelf whiskey straight-up on the rocks by the glass. Lots of it.

glutton
08-18-2012, 12:32 AM
Give her bottom-shelf whiskey straight-up on the rocks by the glass. Lots of it.

Not so strong but this comment reminds me that I like to drink bottom-shelf vodka mixed with malt liquor.

Flagship
08-18-2012, 01:56 AM
Not so strong? Wild Turkey does a 151.

glutton
08-18-2012, 05:58 AM
I meant that my preferred drink is not as strong as what was being mentioned although it's pretty strong for the price.