Book Pirate gets called out

frolzagain said:

I have mixed feelings about it.

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Which are...?

Publishing the person's name, maybe. I think publishing a photo goes a bit too far.

"piracy does nothing to promote the sale of books – it is the free distribution of content at no cost to the reader with no incentive to later re-purchase"

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Libraries.

Yeah, but the library PURCHASED the book. The author was paid for the book. If you buy a book and lend it to your friends, you still made the initial purchase. No problem with lending.

Pirates just steal it and the author gets nothing.

Christine N. said:

Yeah, but the library PURCHASED the book. The author was paid for the book. If you buy a book and lend it to your friends, you still made the initial purchase. No problem with lending.

Pirates just steal it and the author gets nothing.

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I agree, they seem to have this view that what they are doing is not wrong. I think a lot hide behind a 'stick it to the man' mentality to justify what is in practicably, robbing a person of their livelihood.

That being said theft and copyright infringement are two separate crimes and should not be conflated. One does not deserve the same punishment as the other.

Guys, I bolded a particular part of that quote for a reason. Never said the libraries didn't pay for the book. Just that readers who borrow from libraries also have no incentive to purchase the book.

IMO, people who do this are common thieves. My local news channel "outs" thieves on a daily basis via photos and videos of perpetrators of crimes. These pirates are engaging in illegal behavior by stealing copyrighted material. Not distasteful behavior. Not socially unacceptable behavior. ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR.

If they don't want to be outed for the common criminals they are, they shouldn't commit the crime.

Icedevimon said:

Guys, I bolded a particular part of that quote for a reason. Never said the libraries didn't pay for the book. Just that readers who borrow from libraries also have no incentive to purchase the book.

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I disagree. I've purchased many a book because there were too many holds at the library, and I didn't want to wait 6 months to read it.

Piracy and libraries = apples and oranges.

I don't have much income, and even less disposable income, so I read at libraries because I can't afford to buy a lot of books. There's only a few that stuck with me strongly enough that I'd like to buy some day, namely Bait and Gemini Bites.

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callalily61 said:

I may be the exception, but I've tried out several books at the library and then went and bought copies for myself.

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Weirdo.

I've not done this, but I have discovered new authors thanks to the library, and gone on to buy their books. Alan Furst, for example. First one from the library, bought every single one since.

callalily61 said:

I may be the exception, but I've tried out several books at the library and then went and bought copies for myself.

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I do this too. Especially if it is an author I'm not familiar with.

MM

Do we really need another "is piracy stealing or not" debate?

Besides - in the "authors shouldn't tell people how to review their books" thread we pile on a blogger who publishes personal information about a rewiewer. Now that Terry Goodkind is doing it, it is suddenly ok? Seems kind of a double standard.

callalily61 said:

I may be the exception, but I've tried out several books at the library and then went and bought copies for myself.

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Likewise, I have downloaded free e-books (legally) and ended up buying them (and their sequels) later.

PulpDogg said:

Do we really need another "is piracy stealing or not" debate?

Besides - in the "authors shouldn't tell people how to review their books" thread we pile on a blogger who publishes personal information about a rewiewer. Now that Terry Goodkind is doing it, it is suddenly ok? Seems kind of a double standard.

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No, it's not a double standard. Over on the other thread they're talking about behavior that is considered bullying. It's ugly, but it's not illegal. Piracy IS illegal, so two completely different issues. Terry Goodkind is not piling on someone who said something mean about him. He's piling on someone who STOLE from him.

PulpDogg said:

Do we really need another "is piracy stealing or not" debate?

Besides - in the "authors shouldn't tell people how to review their books" thread we pile on a blogger who publishes personal information about a rewiewer. Now that Terry Goodkind is doing it, it is suddenly ok? Seems kind of a double standard.

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I thought about this too. I think it's a bad move on Goodkind's part. It may negatively impact his image which may lose him sales.

Beachgirl said:

No, it's not a double standard. Over on the other thread they're talking about behavior that is considered bullying. It's ugly, but it's not illegal. Piracy IS illegal, so two completely different issues. Terry Goodkind is not piling on someone who said something mean about him. He's piling on someone who STOLE from him.

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Stealing / not stealing aside - Would you do the same to someone who went and stole an apple from the local shop? Hang his foto everywhere? Publish his details? Let an angry mob go after him?

PulpDogg said:

Do we really need another "is piracy stealing or not" debate?

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I dunno - after all the self publishing clashes, a rousing semantics-of-piracy debate sounds like the return of an old friend.

Classic rock, AW style.

A good prologue thread would be the icing on the cake.

PulpDogg said:

Stealing / not stealing aside - Would you do the same to someone who went and stole an apple from the local shop? Hang his foto everywhere? Publish his details? Let an angry mob go after him?

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A lot of stores DO post photos of people who steal from them.

willietheshakes said:

I dunno - after all the self publishing clashes, a rousing semantics-of-piracy debate sounds like the return of an old friend.

Classic rock, AW style.

A good prologue thread would be the icing on the cake.

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How about an epilogue thread instead?

PulpDogg said:

Stealing / not stealing aside - Would you do the same to someone who went and stole an apple from the local shop? Hang his foto everywhere? Publish his details? Let an angry mob go after him?

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Comparing a novel to an apple is insulting to the author. A better comparison might be:

Would a local news station run a story on someone if they stole a $50,000 painting from a local art gallery? Just happened where I live and the reporter filmed from the perpetrators front yard. I'd say that pretty much exposed his personal info to the entire community.