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kristin724
01-06-2006, 10:38 AM
Hola all! :D

So I finally decided to write down all the kink that I thought was too much for my 'real' work. The sex scenes are going great, but then I did something weird-backstory.

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How do you know when something is defined as 'erotica' or merely a story with sex in it? :crazy: I wanted porn without plot and now I've got plot with porn. Which is better?

And did I mention it's science fiction porn? Is there a market for this? Whatever it is? :gone:

Conjecture? :whip:

Kristin

blisswriter
01-06-2006, 11:44 AM
Wow kristin,

Those are good questions. I don't know of any markets for erotic sci-fi. Maybe you should read back issues of the pubs you have in mind then query the editors. I'd say try for the erotica market. I don't know of any sci-fi pubs that want lots of sex. But again, read and then query the editors.

Cathy C
01-06-2006, 06:16 PM
Well, the first thing you need to do is to take "porn" out of your vocabulary when talking about erotica. They're completely different things. Porn is action without emotion. Erotica is action based on emotion -- whether that emotion is love or anger or hate.


So, that said -- any story can be a "sexy" story. The thing that defines erotica is whether the sex is REMOVABLE. If, with the stroke of your keyboard, you removed ALL of the sex from your story, would you still have a plot? If so, then it's not erotica. Erotica is primarily a story that has a main focus emotion-laden sex. A story about two people solving a mystery in space and can't keep their hands off each other is a sexy SF story. A novel about two people who aren't able to SURVIVE without having sex, because of genetics or some such and struggle with their emotions is erotica. Of course, there are multiple variants on the theme. A good SF erotica story is one called "Planet Ds" by Master Nage. He created a world where sex is currency. It defines the classes of the people and is the only way to advance in society. It's the story of one woman from the low class who has to continually improve her sexual talents in order to have enough power to leave the planet for good and seek her own way. Etc., etc.

Does that make sense?

veinglory
01-06-2006, 11:52 PM
To my mind erotica is a term used to describe any story containing substantial sex that also has some other merit as a piece of fiction.

There are a number of open anthologies for sci fi erotica with various themes--if you let me know length, sexuality and basic theme I will copy some over here.

kristin724
01-08-2006, 12:42 PM
Coolness! :Sun:

Thanks for your responses.

Although there are characters in the story that do enjoy casual sex, the two main characters have developed a deeper connection. :LilLove: I started out with a bunch of random sex scenes that now comprise some of the growth of the plot but not all.

This is where the sf elements came in. War hohum ship existance, friends, enemies, alliances, is there time for real relationships among all this? :Huh: The leads ebb and flow over these questions, and have some food for thought erotic encounters on the way. :eek:

Am I making sense? This is why I can't understand that PWP addage. Throw that out the window you say? :e2woo:

Lovin the advice,

Kristin

veinglory
01-08-2006, 09:36 PM
Nobodu else mentioned PWP--is your background in fanfiction? That phrase always makes me think of fanfic. Basically your story is obvious not just about getting people off--that moves is from being what most erotica writers call 'porn'.

Yes there is a market for SF erotic, or SF porn. But as I said, more details required before i can suggest some.

kristin724
01-09-2006, 01:50 AM
Hi veinglory. :hooray:

I have friends that write fanfic, or so they claim. :ROFL: ;) My background is in sf and horror. I have other sexy elements and suggestions in my work, but this is my first attempt at no holds barred details. :e2shower:

I'm still on my first draft so I have no idea what the technical details are yet. I'm in the content phase now.
:e2writer:

Erotica readers do like the build up of material, sex and otherwise? Yay. I want a mature piece on both sides, not fanboy. I hope! :e2brows:

K

veinglory
01-09-2006, 02:36 AM
There can be a build up, or not--either can work.

StoryG27
01-09-2006, 04:34 AM
I have other sexy elements and suggestions in my work, but this is my first attempt at no holds barred details.

I write romantic suspense, and so there's not a whole lot of sex, but in my novels there are a few scenes. I'm always brave when I write them. I do the 'no holds barred' thing and write it down as wild and kinky as I want. Then I chicken out on the rewrite, and make it more suitable for my novel, but I always wonder what would happen if I had the guts not to tone down those scenes. I'd probably be forcibly hospitalized. LOL! The only person who wouldn't be compeltely shocked would be my hubby. He already knows how wild I can get. More power to you if you actually stick to it. I never can.

kristin724
01-10-2006, 12:07 PM
Hi storygirl!

Yes I call it 'fade to black' when I simply chave in on my larger works. I've written some of the se scenes here out of order, and read them to my husband. It is the only time he's listened to my work, that's for sure!

Good luck to both of us! 80)

veinglory
01-10-2006, 09:11 PM
Heres a new sf erotica market

Dragon's Fire Quarterly will be a quarterly e-magazine for fans who enjoy erotic Sci Fi/Fantasy stories. Initially, Dragon's Fire Quarterly will be a free site; our long term goal is to become a subscription based e-magazine.

Call for Submissions:

We are looking for sensual to erotic sci fi/fantasy adventures to debut on Dragon's Fire Quarterly between April and July of 2006. We want well written stories with a strong plot line and in-depth believable worlds or alternate universes. We accept serials, short stories, comic strips, poems, and flash pieces. We hope to have art submissions also, as we would love this to be a e-magazine for readers and art lovers as well.

What we're looking for:

Four Serial Stories; Two Sci Fi and Two Fantasy
Four Short Stories; Two Sci Fi and Two Fantasy
Ten Flash Pieces of 500 to 1000 words
Eight Comic strip; Four Sci Fi and Four Fantasy
Ten Poems
Fantasy and Sci Fi art work for the front page and for illustrations of the stories and poems.

We are interested in both published and non-published authors. Serials can be from 40,000 to 80,000 words; 10,000 to 20,000 for each quarter. Since Dragon's Fire Quarterly will debut later in the year, the serials will be either two or three parts. Those interested in submitting comic strips will have to include plot line and artwork.

What we don't want:

No disparaging of any race, religion, culture or ethnic groups
We do not want works that include necro, pedophilia, golden showers or anything like that

Payment as follows:

Serials $150
Short Stories $75
Poems $15
Flash Pieces $15
Comic Strip to be determined
Art Work for the cover $90 / for illustrations to be determined

We're willing to work with the author to make the contract work. For submissions or questions, please write to Rhiannon Kelley at rhiannonkelley@gmail.com (rhiannonkelley@gmail.com)

kristin724
01-11-2006, 11:11 AM
Veinglory is my new best friend! :Hug2:

I thought about serializing this. One little kinky sexy step at a time. :idea: I'll have to see what my numbers to out to be. :whip:

Eureka! :TheWave:

I'll post more later...must get cracking! :e2Order:

slobbit
01-11-2006, 06:18 PM
Yes, erotica readers do like build-up. A common theme I've seen is the couple who were once together but drifted apart, or foiled in coming together, or something similiar. There's a *story*, in which sexual intimacy is a big part of the resolution. You might want to check out online magazines like Clean Sheets -- www.cleansheets.com -- to read some.

veinglory
01-17-2006, 09:42 PM
Kristin, very sorry I deleted your message totally by accident! I will try and get it back

kristin724
01-23-2006, 10:15 AM
No problem, VG. :)

In a nutshell it was about how my husband of all people doesn't like what I've written so far. He thinks its...porn!
:Soapbox:

How do y'all deal with non writer bias?

Kristin

veinglory
01-23-2006, 08:14 PM
I have readers and writers of my genre beta my work--increasingly I self-edit. I think the reader has to know the genre to give the right feedback.

If I want in persona contact I start a writer's group. A notice at the public library is generally sufficient to pull a few people in.