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Rachel Udin
05-27-2012, 12:27 AM
Not on AW, but I've had some trouble getting people to come up with historical characters they want to date that *aren't* white. I chalk it up to ignorance... and those sad, sad things they call "World" History textbooks.

Rules are as follows:
- Has to be of legal age. (King Tut is obviously a no).
- Can be male or female, QUILTBAG (I have slots for that--though my FMC is heterosexual--other characters will come in who are not).
- Please name date/time period.
- Person cannot be married or engaged/in love with someone else when plucked from time.

Since I have a *long* list of white people, I would like hunky and beautiful PoC's too (From around the world), especially since the FMC is going to most likely be mixed anyway. If you feel like it, also on the "Absolutely not" list as well. She's dating as part of her therapy... (Woman's Lit/Sci-fi/Fantasy/Magic Realism/Humor)

I'm doing it by popular vote since obviously my taste in hunky is not the same as every other person on the planet.

*Begs* PLEASE balance my list. >.<;;

Lavern08
05-27-2012, 12:53 AM
Rules are as follows:

- Person cannot be married or engaged/in love with someone else when plucked from time.



Well, that last rule just blew it for me, because I was gonna suggest:

King Solomon
Booker T. Washington
Frederick Douglas
and...

Denzel Washington - What? :Shrug:
:D

Kitty Pryde
05-27-2012, 01:17 AM
I find this thread to be awesome and mildly hilarious. Let's see here...

Cesar Chavez (hunky younger days)
Matthew Henson
Bob Marley
Fela Kuti
Carmen Miranda
Eva Peron
Freddie Mercury

mirandashell
05-27-2012, 01:27 AM
Josephine Baker. Definitely

firedrake
05-27-2012, 02:01 AM
Che Guevera

Rachel Udin
05-27-2012, 12:10 PM
Well, that last rule just blew it for me, because I was gonna suggest:

King Solomon
Booker T. Washington
Frederick Douglas
and...

Denzel Washington - What? :Shrug:
:D
You prefer them at the time they were married? ^.~ You *could* do it before they married or when they were a widow/divorced...

Lady Goddess
05-27-2012, 06:55 PM
Freddie Mercury

Omg so much this. ;;

I actually don't think I have a real attraction to PoC from historical times. I just view them as historical figures not people I want to date.

You're going to make me think long and hard about this. I will get back to you. Promise.

Oh wait. Before I forget:

Tupac

But yeah, I'll come back with more. Just let me think about it.

backslashbaby
05-27-2012, 09:39 PM
Sengbe Pieh (Cinque)!!

(pic: http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/amistad/buildings/cinque-clipart829565.jpg )

http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/amistad/amistadstory.htm

Cyia
05-28-2012, 01:05 AM
If this is a lit project, then you can't go wrong with a writer - how about Alexandre Dumas? (younger version)

For a lady's part, orif you need an entrepreneur - Madam CJ Walker

Many - many - of the men and women at the Alamo would be POC.

Jehhillenberg
05-28-2012, 10:33 PM
I actually don't think I have a real attraction to PoC from historical times. I just view them as historical figures not people I want to date.

But here goes...

Dorothy Dandridge ('20-'50s)
Rudolph Valentino ('10s-'20s)
Langston Hughes ('20s-'40s)
Harry Belafonte ('50s)
(early '80s and back) Michael Jackson
Malcolm X ('40s-'60s)
Josephine Baker ('30s-'50s)
Lena Horne ('40s-'60s)
Florence "Flo-Jo" Griffith Joyner ('80s-'90s)

mirandashell
05-29-2012, 12:17 AM
May I ask why Rudy Valentino is considered PoC?

Jehhillenberg
05-29-2012, 02:07 AM
I considered him because he's Italian, part anyway and is of some color to me.

Cyia
05-29-2012, 07:09 AM
Ching Shih would be an interesting addition to any group of historical figures. I'm not sure how old she was when her husband died, though. You can also include some of the more obvious names, like Sacajawea, Squanto, King Xerxes, Queen Esther, the Queen of Sheba, Saladin (another one you'd have to stick to a "young" version of) Far more recent history, but someone young, would be Selena Quintanilla

mirandashell
05-29-2012, 04:17 PM
I considered him because he's Italian, part anyway and is of some color to me.


Ah. In America, Italians are considered PoC? Hmm.. I didn't know that.

He actually had an Italian father and a French mother. So it wouldn't have occured to me to think he was PoC. Cultural differences, I guess.

Alessandra Kelley
05-29-2012, 04:27 PM
Ah. In America, Italians are considered PoC? Hmm.. I didn't know that.

He actually had an Italian father and a French mother. So it wouldn't have occured to me to think he was PoC. Cultural differences, I guess.

Not since the 1910s, I suspect. Where I have lived and visited (just about the entire eastern half of North America) Italians are not considered PoC at all.

Alessandra Kelley
05-29-2012, 04:31 PM
Matthew Henson, probably the actual first person to walk at the North Pole (as seen in this hilarious "Hark A Vagrant" cartoon (http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=208)).

(I'm not personally interested in dating, but I believe he fulfills your requirements)

mirandashell
05-29-2012, 04:40 PM
Not since the 1910s, I suspect. Where I have lived and visited (just about the entire eastern half of North America) Italians are not considered PoC at all.


That's kind of what I thought. Maybe the confusion has arisen because of his roles as a Sheik.

backslashbaby
05-29-2012, 10:58 PM
That's kind of what I thought. Maybe the confusion has arisen because of his roles as a Sheik.

There were at least rumours that he was part Middle Eastern. It made him the romantic, very exotic foreigner at the time. I didn't even know his real ethnicity, actually :)

mirandashell
05-30-2012, 03:29 PM
I think that was just the studio hyping up the whole 'Sheik' thing.

mirandashell
05-30-2012, 03:35 PM
Oh, I just remembered. Mary Seacole (http://http://www.bing.com/search?q=mary+seacole&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC&adlt=strict)would be a good choice.

She wasn't great looking but she was a smart, strong and fascinating woman

Rachel Udin
05-31-2012, 03:36 AM
Oh, I just remembered. Mary Seacole (http://http://www.bing.com/search?q=mary+seacole&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC&adlt=strict)would be a good choice.

She wasn't great looking but she was a smart, strong and fascinating woman

She was kinda pretty when she was young. I'm thinking about taking her around the beginning of 1845-- after her husband's and mother's death. Can put in the attribution to her getting "fortunate" after that date.


Matthew Henson, probably the actual first person to walk at the North Pole (as seen in this hilarious "Hark A Vagrant" cartoon (http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=208)).

(I'm not personally interested in dating, but I believe he fulfills your requirements)
Reminds me vaguely of of Latimer and Edison (Edison did not invent the lightbulb--he just learned how to market it.)

If I take him, probably be from 1900 or so. =P Main character and him can make fun of racists taking credit for other people's work. (Peary from the RL account seems like he was a real jerk.)

Alessandra Kelley
05-31-2012, 03:52 AM
Ah. In America, Italians are considered PoC? Hmm.. I didn't know that.

He actually had an Italian father and a French mother. So it wouldn't have occured to me to think he was PoC. Cultural differences, I guess.


Not since the 1910s, I suspect. Where I have lived and visited (just about the entire eastern half of North America) Italians are not considered PoC at all.


That's kind of what I thought. Maybe the confusion has arisen because of his roles as a Sheik.


There were at least rumours that he was part Middle Eastern. It made him the romantic, very exotic foreigner at the time. I didn't even know his real ethnicity, actually :)

It only just occurred to me, the connection between Italians and PoC may have been because Italian actors were often called on to play PoC, especially Native Americans. For example, see Frank Dekova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_DeKova), whose portrayal of "Chief Wild Eagle" on "F Troop" the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 guys called "hateful." Iron Eyes Cody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eyes_Cody), a spokesperson for Native Americans who starred in a famous anti-pollution commercial in the early 1970s, was revealed late in life to have been born Espera Oscar de Corti. Armand Assante (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000800/) played a Native American in "Prophecy" as recently as 1979.

Anyhow, Italians are not generally considered PoC in the US.

Unimportant
05-31-2012, 08:11 AM
Cleopatra (before/between marriages) and Hatshepsut (after she was widowed) -- Egyptian, no idea what year/dynasty.

Maria Callas (questionable as PoC -- she was Greek) -- say, 1959, after she left her husband.

Alexander the Great -- Macedonian, prior to his marriage(s), waaay back whenever.

mirandashell
05-31-2012, 03:49 PM
It only just occurred to me, the connection between Italians and PoC may have been because Italian actors were often called on to play PoC, especially Native Americans. For example, see Frank Dekova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_DeKova), whose portrayal of "Chief Wild Eagle" on "F Troop" the Mystery Science Theatre 3000 guys called "hateful." Iron Eyes Cody (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Eyes_Cody), a spokesperson for Native Americans who starred in a famous anti-pollution commercial in the early 1970s, was revealed late in life to have been born Espera Oscar de Corti. Armand Assante (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000800/) played a Native American in "Prophecy" as recently as 1979.

Anyhow, Italians are not generally considered PoC in the US.


Yeah, that would make sense.

Although the worst representation of Native American I've seen in a film was Paul Newman.

I mean, could he look any more North European?

Flicka
05-31-2012, 10:59 PM
I always had a thing for the Chevalier de Saint-George, renowned swordsman composer, conductor, and violinist in France during the second half of the 18th century. I don't know enough about his personal life to know if he would be available or not, but he was a hottie.

I survived
06-01-2012, 03:46 AM
If you really want to push the controversal button how about Budha, Jesus, and Abraham

Rachel Udin
06-01-2012, 07:54 AM
Cleopatra (before/between marriages)

She was Greek by heritage... Last Egyptian, Egyptain Pharaoh was King Tut...


I always had a thing for the Chevalier de Saint-George, renowned swordsman composer, conductor, and violinist in France during the second half of the 18th century. I don't know enough about his personal life to know if he would be available or not, but he was a hottie.
He never married. He seems pretty cool too. Smart and artistic as well has the whole Knight thing to him.


If you really want to push the controversal button how about Budha, Jesus, and Abraham
In another story I'm writing Santa Claus as Turkish (like the original Saint Nicholas was) and having another Santa be black. (Which is Saint Martin.) I'm sure that'll make people upset... but it's true. Santa should be Turkish--which I'm sure would make the racist White Christians very, very wary... Haha.

lastlittlebird
06-01-2012, 08:57 AM
Does Lebanese count as POC? In that case my first pick would be Kahlil Gibran.
This is an oil painting of him at 25 (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9UxHwUfG2qQ/THJBSrdcBiI/AAAAAAAACUo/WSUY6JAlP48/s1600/gibran.jpg).
And that's besides the fact that he's Kahlil Gibran.

Also, I've always had a soft spot for Hongi Hika. He was a Maori chief back when NZ was first being settled. I don't agree with every stand he took, but I always really liked that he seemed to love and respect his (blind) wife so much. Fierce warrior with a secret heart of gold anyone?
Obviously I'd have to get in there before she arrived on the scene though :)

Cyia
06-03-2012, 05:16 AM
She was Greek by heritage... Last Egyptian, Egyptain Pharaoh was King Tut...



Not really. Current studies put her as the daughter of a Nubian concubine, which is why she was so popular with the "common" people.

Rachel Udin
06-04-2012, 12:25 AM
Not really. Current studies put her as the daughter of a Nubian concubine, which is why she was so popular with the "common" people.
Eh~ Wikipedia says she was daughter of Cleopatra IV? (With reference). I guess her mother is up for debate. That would be something to ask her. Or if they find her tomb to genetically test for.

BTW, Lebanese is definitely PoC. And he was pretty good looking back then. There is a window before his marriage proposal/meeting that could fit.

BigWords
06-04-2012, 01:52 AM
My Google-Fu is failing spectacularly, but I'm almost certain that there was a noted Elizabethan painting, of someone who would certainly fit the criteria, in one of the Taschen books - not a commoner, plucked from obscurity, but a prominent member of society at the time. I'll keep hunting when I have time...

little_e
06-04-2012, 09:04 AM
Mansa Musa, at least as he's drawn in the book I read :)

Flicka
06-15-2012, 12:37 PM
He never married. He seems pretty cool too. Smart and artistic as well has the whole Knight thing to him.

He's sometimes called 'the black Mozart'. A sword-wielding, musketeer-style musician, who's smart and good-looking... That just ticks all my boxes. :)




In another story I'm writing Santa Claus as Turkish (like the original Saint Nicholas was) and having another Santa be black. (Which is Saint Martin.) I'm sure that'll make people upset... but it's true. Santa should be Turkish--which I'm sure would make the racist White Christians very, very wary... Haha.

Well, enough of them seem to overlook that Jesus and the Apostles were all Jewish...

Rachel Udin
06-21-2012, 08:00 PM
He's sometimes called 'the black Mozart'. A sword-wielding, musketeer-style musician, who's smart and good-looking... That just ticks all my boxes. :)




Well, enough of them seem to overlook that Jesus and the Apostles were all Jewish...
Don't forget that Jesus was part African too--he was part Egyptian on Mary's side. I'm writing that into the story too.

Komnena
06-28-2012, 08:12 AM
Kamehameha

Adelaide
07-01-2012, 08:36 AM
Huey Newton for sure late 60s. I don't know if he was with someone at the time.

Paul Robeson (Rutgers days or anything thereafter)

Langston Hughes ca. 1920 - he might've been gay and I am a woman, but we can eschew that for now

Jean-Michel Basquiat ca. his heydey, before he died, etc

the guy who played bass on Crosby Stills Nash and Young's album Deja Vu. He was like 19 at the time and gorgeous!

Sam Cooke basically up to his time of death