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Draco
05-19-2012, 03:47 PM
http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/2012/05/exploited-writers-in-unfair-industry.html?showComment=1337423718251#comment-c3444709850467972064

Challenge issued in comments section by Joe Konrath at 2:07 AM near the end of the comments.

Any takers?

mccardey
05-19-2012, 03:50 PM
http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/2012/05/exploited-writers-in-unfair-industry.html?showComment=1337423718251#comment-c3444709850467972064

Challenge issued in comments section by Joe Konrath at 2:07 AM near the end of the comments.

Any takers?

You're really intrigued by this Konrath thing, aren't you?

Draco
05-19-2012, 04:06 PM
You're really intrigued by this Konrath thing, aren't you?

Yes I am.


Read his comment and you may be intrigued as well. :D

Mr Flibble
05-19-2012, 04:09 PM
Oh, I see he quoted me...I suppose that makes me a pinhead to him. How flattering. I shall have a t shirt made. (ETA: Where's my attribution, huh? huh? :D)

It's an opinion. He's allowed one, same as I'm allowed mine. Oh well.

I see he asks us to respond to his points etc*. Can't be arsed, tbh. If he wants to do this, that's great. If other people want to listen to him, that's their prerogative. My only point was this: If you want to self publish, read widely about it. He says that AW is all 'Nyah nyah', but he's nothing but 'rah rah'. You (proto-self-publishing person) need to see all POVs on this.

Read. Learn. Make up your own mind.

*ETA I did respond to ask that IF he's going to quote me, he should include the most salient part, which I then added.

James D. Macdonald
05-19-2012, 04:25 PM
...or any of his blog entries.Already been done.

A long time since.

Me? Not interested enough in Konrath to even look at his blog.

leahzero
05-19-2012, 05:19 PM
When this guy learns how to write a succinct, focused, non-ranting journal entry, I'll give him another shot.

I don't have time to read 3400 words of crazy.

HoneyBadger
05-19-2012, 05:20 PM
My advice to writers: stop being stupid.

Publishing Culture is guaranteed to end, and when it does everyone will be better off.

Well, everyone except the gatekeepers. But don't cry for them. They never cried for you.

I think I'll just keep being stupid, as being stupid in pursuing a stupid traditional writing career via trade and journal publishing is what will help my stupid writing career so I can win the stupid Orange Prize and make stupid money.

mccardey
05-19-2012, 05:28 PM
I read it! (most of it)

So, now I know who Mr Konrath is, and although that's fifteen minutes of my life I'm not going to get back again, can I just quote his statement -


If some legacy publisher gave me 1.5 million for a book, I'd take it.

and add -

Me too, Mr K!

Oh, me too!

:Sun:

Mr Flibble
05-19-2012, 05:29 PM
When this guy learns how to write a succinct, focused, non-ranting journal entry, I'll give him another shot.

I don't have time to read 3400 words of crazy.

Yup.

I think he has a point in that writers should really think about contracts etc. He's taken a contract from Amazon which he finds appealing. Others may well find contracts with Big Six appealing, for their own reasons. That's up to them, and I lose him when he bashes authors who are taking a contract that works for them.

Sadly any good points are lost in a landslide of:

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n83/spinynorman_2006/captain-james-t-kirk-awesome.jpg

shadowwalker
05-19-2012, 05:30 PM
One thing he's got down pat - how to tell people what they want to hear. Or is it fooling some of the people all of the time. Or... something...

But yeah - I prefer being my kind of stupid to his kind.

Jamesaritchie
05-19-2012, 05:59 PM
God, who cares what Konrath says? It's all opinion. He should spend more time writing, and less time issuing challenges.

James D. Macdonald
05-19-2012, 06:08 PM
Publishing Culture is guaranteed to end, and when it does everyone will be better off.

Well, everyone except the gatekeepers. But don't cry for them. They never cried for you.

Oh, does he mean the people who nurture the careers of young authors, including the young Joe Konrath?

Ari Meermans
05-19-2012, 06:16 PM
God, who cares what Konrath says? It's all opinion. He should spend more time writing, and less time issuing challenges.

But he can't, you know. That blog is, at the very least, a big chunk of his marketing effort.

Celia Cyanide
05-19-2012, 06:40 PM
Isn't he on AW?

kaitie
05-19-2012, 07:00 PM
Pretty sure he was banned awhile back. Came and spouted some pretty nasty insults at the mods in the self-publishing forum, if I remember correctly. I could be wrong on that, though. He might have just been given a time out.

ETA: Just correcting myself to say I looked it up and he wasn't, so it was just a time-out. But yeah, he's here. He pops in sometimes. :)

Medievalist
05-19-2012, 07:08 PM
http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/2012/05/exploited-writers-in-unfair-industry.html?showComment=1337423718251#comment-c3444709850467972064

Challenge issued in comments section by Joe Konrath at 2:07 AM near the end of the comments.

Any takers?

He's already been pwnd (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=244666).

Also? He's an not really in a position to pontificate regarding the history of publishing; publishing has at least a 3,000 year old history. It's still working just fine. The current publishing paradigm works so well that if I want to read something by Konrath, I have to look for it; I'm otherwise protected from his ramblings.

Alessandra Kelley
05-19-2012, 07:37 PM
What does "fisk" mean?

CrastersBabies
05-19-2012, 07:39 PM
Seems like a great way to drum up site-traffic to this blog. I don't know the guy. Don't read his blog or posts or books (except glancing at his page for a few minutes now). If he's found a model that works for him, great. I read one post where he yells at his readers to get the F off his blog and websites and message boards and just WRITE, and then he baits people into coming to his website to debate with him?

Maybe he has a blog-monkey to do the net stuff for him.
Maybe he has a clone.

I dunno. I never took to people thumping their chest on the internet in hopes of getting into an epic pissing contest. I'll pass. The people on this board (minus the few asshats which every board has) are pretty damn helpful and thoughtful. You get out of the board what you "put in," in terms of reading and educating yourself.

Again, don't read this guy's stuff. It could be that the more I read him, the more I agree with him. I'm just not interested seeing the few internet tantrums he's already had. Doesn't seem very professional to me. Maybe it's my loss.

Xelebes
05-19-2012, 08:11 PM
What does "fisk" mean?

An odd way of spelling fish.

thothguard51
05-19-2012, 08:19 PM
I wonder how many self published books Koranth buys and reads a month...

Medievalist
05-19-2012, 08:31 PM
An odd way of spelling fish.

No; it's a reference to a journalist named Robert Fisk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisking).

It's from the early years of blogging history, roughly contemporary with Ken Layne's Its 2001, and we can Fact Check your ass.

Sheryl Nantus
05-19-2012, 08:38 PM
Sounds like an attempt to encourage more visitors to his blog.

The visits have been dying down as of late as the devotees tend to discover there's not a golden pot o'gold at the end of the rainbow like Joe said.

*yawn*

Bogna
05-19-2012, 11:06 PM
Oh, I see he quoted me...I suppose that makes me a pinhead to him. How flattering. I shall have a t shirt made. (ETA: Where's my attribution, huh? huh? :D)


Ohhh, I will buy one of your shirts. ;)

Alitriona
05-19-2012, 11:34 PM
This is a classic case of someone believing their own hype. I have no interest in anyone with such blinkers on and this is him blowing more hot air about the evils of every way but how he tells people to publish. A route he doesn't follow himself.

I would love his sales but not his crazy distorted opinion of how he achieved them.

Filigree
05-20-2012, 12:21 AM
I wonder how good his sales are, since he keeps stirring up the blog pot to get more readers. When I first heard about him, I was impressed with his story (if not his actual writing). The more I read of his rants, the less I care.

Self-publishing works for some people, if they can spend the time on promotions. Ol' Joe lucked out because he already had street cred from his work with Hyperion. I guarantee you, his results are not typical. Folks who will not get rich off multi-level marketing, real estate, gold sales, Mary Kay, or Amway will not get Konrath-style returns from self-publishing. Not in the current economy.

Now, there's still a lot I don't like about the Big Six model, and even some of the standard operating procedures from the smaller, nimbler trade publishers. But I'm currently working with an e-pub for a niche market piece, and will be working with a 'tradtional' agent to sell some mainstream SF&F. I'm looking at self-publishing as a sales tool linked with those other efforts, not as a replacement.

veinglory
05-20-2012, 02:47 AM
People can fisk my blog too, any time. It's attention, interaction and money in my adsense account. Why the heck would anyone be against that? Is it meant to be some kind of rare and courageous challenge?

And to 'fisk' is to quote something in full and add your own commentary or reaction. Or the name of my main character in my fantasy novel "The Nameless God", whichever you prefer.

BenPanced
05-20-2012, 02:48 AM
I allow people to fisk me only after buying me dinner and telling me I have pretty eyes.

MaryMumsy
05-20-2012, 02:57 AM
I'm not going to waste any time or brain cells on the blog. Old Joe lost me with his last commercially published book. I only made it about a third of the way through. It was so poor in comparison to previous books. There's a shark jump in there that was just the last straw. IIRC, the next manuscript was so bad the publisher rejected it, and then he was off to the world of self pub.

MM

Mr Flibble
05-20-2012, 04:37 AM
I allow people to fisk me only after buying me dinner and telling me I have pretty eyes.

Dude

you should at least hold out for a show too. And marshmallows and chocolate. And a pony..


And I wonder here...is Joe still coming to AW..or is someone stirring the pot? (thinking b here cos someone else linked to the threads first, the OP perhaps?n <--if not my apologies, but you can see how it looks?)

If a - Hai Joe!

If b - Stirring - Not cool

And in case it got missed in the other thread, here, you can have it for free again (with slight embellishment)

Konrath compares writers to Boxer working for the pigs in Animal Farm

By signing with Amazon, all he's done is swap pigs, from Napoleon to Ghengis. By his own analogy (that I do not agree with for the most part, but the parts I do agree with are so....vitriolic and 'I'm right and you are WRONG BABY!' I can't bring myself to say I like them) he's still Boxer. And he's trying to persuade people he isn't. Not cool.

And...

I'm censoring myself on the rest.

jjdebenedictis
05-20-2012, 04:39 AM
Joe Konrath's success in self-publishing was (eventually) driven by the fact he was able to stir the media's interest. That got his name everywhere, which provoked reader curiosity, which resulted in sales, which got him further media attention, and so on.

I think 50 Shades of Grey is succeeding for roughly the same reasons. Curiosity begets curiosity.

However, Mr. Konrath's 15 minutes are over. The drama and anthill-poking are likely his best attempt to keep the curiosity-cycle going.

jjdebenedictis
05-20-2012, 04:55 AM
And I wonder here...is Joe still coming to AW..or is someone stirring the pot? (thinking b here cos someone else linked to the threads first, the OP perhaps?n <--if not my apologies, but you can see how it looks?)In his/her very short time on AW, Draco has demonstrated a pro-Konrath bias and a fairly bait-y approach to discussions about him. I'm also starting to wonder if this is all being engineered.

BenPanced
05-20-2012, 05:24 AM
I wonder how good his sales are, since he keeps stirring up the blog pot to get more readers. When I first heard about him, I was impressed with his story (if not his actual writing). The more I read of his rants, the less I care.
I just did a quick skim of his Amazon numbers. The highest ranking title is his The Newbie's Guide To Publishing, a freebie. Everything else was at or near the mid 50,000's, one as low as 417,000 or so. Of course, that's probably all changed in the time I made this post.

AW Admin
05-20-2012, 05:28 AM
Yes I am.


Read his comment and you may be intrigued as well. :D

I'm not. Nor am I interested in watching you pimp Konrath's blog—again—in another thread.

I'm locking this thread. You can appeal to Soccer Mom or Kitty27 if you'd like, but seriously, dude, you're coming across as a groupie.

Konrath takes comments; you can engage there.

Soccer Mom
05-20-2012, 07:19 AM
Don't bother appealing to Soccer Mom. I'm not interested in giving Konrath yet another platform.