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If a man was put in cement shoes and thrown into the river how would he survive? Is there any everyday objects that could help?
Kosh said:If a man was put in cement shoes and thrown into the river how would he survive? Is there any everyday objects that could help?
Mike Coombes said:Concrete shoes, technically, not cement. Concrete's something I know about. As Mr Ritchie says, he'll need gills.
Just an additional, the lime in cement can cause terrible burns. Even if he managed to get the shoes off after they'd set, it's reasonably likely he'd need his feet amputated.
Cabinscribe said:Could the water be polluted with something (I don't know what) that would soften the cement/concrete?
Could both his feet be prostheses, so all he has to do is remove his cement/concrete covered appendages and float to the surface of the water?
Just trying to come up with ideas ...
I don't see this happening. First, it's very hard to think clearly when you have severe lye burns on your feet and lower legs, and the pressure of the shrinking, dried cement/concrete has crushed your feet, you've just been tossed off a bridge, water has closed over your head, and you're sinking fast. Second, reeds grow only in shallow water. Anyone who took the time to make cement/concrete shoes would figure out where the water was deep enough to drown a man. Even if he grabbed a reed on the way down, it wouldn't do him any good if he couldn't get the tip above water. Also, "hollow" reeds usually have internal blockages that have to be cleared out. And don't forget that when you hit it, water is not soft. You can break bones and suffer internal injuries falling into water from a great enough height, and unless you've had special training, when you hit something after a fall, your tendency is going to be to gasp and draw in air--which will be water, if your face then goes under (humans have a reflex that makes us instinctively hold our breath when water closes over our faces, but that doesn't do you any good if you're gasping in when your face goes under); shallow water means you hit the water and then hit the bottom--you're going to be hurt if you land in shallow water. Third, if you're dealing with all the conditions set out in reason 1, you're not going to be breathing in a steady, shallow, controlled manner; you're going to be trying to gulp air.September skies said:What if he landed among reeds. you always see that people breathing through them in the movies. He grabs one, it's like a long straw and he breathes through that.
Cabinscribe said:Could the water be polluted with something (I don't know what) that would soften the cement/concrete?
You also have to take into account the surface he'd be "walking" on, which is probably soft, squishy, deep, and inclined to stick to things. Having tried wading out of a pond with substantial amounts of muck on regular boots, I can say that both the weight and the awkwardness factor are vastly increased thereby.MadScientistMatt said:Cement would feel substantially lighter underwater - somewhere from half to 60% of its real weight.
Kosh said:How does the weather effect drying cement? How long does ordinary and quick drying cement take to dry?
rich said:Of course, you have some heavy 'splainin' to do on how he knew before hand that they were going to deep six him.
Well, not that heavy: the perp knew his mother-in-law was done in the same way, and he had an idea who the perps were. Well, not his mother-in-law--that's not much to motivate him to track the killers...maybe his wife...better still, maybe his Dachsund..
That's a good point. I assumed they killed people first and just used the cement to make sure the bodies weren't found, but if the point is supposed to be that they're alive when you push them in the water...um. Problematic, that.Mike Coombes said:My big question on concrete (or cement) shoes, is: how do you get the guy to sit still for long enough? Even without the burning to make him fidget, if he moves his feet around as the concrete dries, he'll create voids that MAY be big enough to pull his feet out.
Maybe it's just the plaster of paris that I worked with, but isn't the dried stuff soft and water-soluble?Mike Coombes said:I have a second suggestion that's not as silly as it immediately sounds - plaster of paris shoes. Same deal, but sets solid within 2 minutes, and causes no burns.