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Bubastes
01-30-2012, 07:46 PM
This popped up in my news feed. They do not appear to have a website. All I saw was a Facebook page and a Twitter account.

https://www.facebook.com/XchylerPublishing.page?sk=info

CaoPaux
01-30-2012, 10:30 PM
Future website: http://xchylerpublishing.com

thothguard51
01-30-2012, 10:35 PM
Well, they are open to submissions according to their face book page but without knowing anything about them, I would be hesitant to even submit a query.

Unfortunately, they will get submissions though...

areteus
01-31-2012, 01:19 AM
It sounds to me like they are a new start up trying to drum up web buzz with a facebook competition. Nothing particularly harmful about that as far as I can tell so far... at the moment they are an unknown quantity until someone submits to them and finds out how they work and reports any good/bad experiences here.

My strategy for now would be to wait and see. I may look at their website to see what they are looking for and may submit something with no expectations...

Unimportant
01-31-2012, 02:29 AM
From their Facebook page (http://www.facebook.com/XchylerPublishing.page):

We are accepting all types and styles of fiction.

Owner - Carrie Beeson

From their Facebook wall page (http://www.facebook.com/XchylerPublishing.page?sk=wall&filter=1):

We would like to thank everyone that sent in their resumes to be considered for the beta reader and editor positions that we had available. Both slots have been filled. We would like to welcome Rob Hardin (beta) and Margaret Grady (editor) to the team!

From their blog (http://mysticthoughts-xc.blogspot.com/2012/01/xchyler-publishing.html):

Team

Owner - Carrie Beeson
Marketing Director - Mary Duke
Editor in Chief - Courtney Conant
Editor- Melissa Ravelli
Beta - Joseph Rubas
Beta - Caitlin McColl
Illustrator - Suzin Bhe

They also have a call for submissions for a dragon-themed fantasy anthology on their blog, but no mention of payment.

It appears (http://merasyabooklist.blogspot.com/2012/01/xchyler-publishing.html)that the company owner is the mother of an aspiring a self-published writer, for whom the press is named:

So, if you've been on Mera's YA Book List for a while you'll know about the amazing Mary Duke!

Her pen name is Xchyler Conn!

So, in March her mother Carrie Beeson is officially launching her very own publishing company and it has the perfect name for her!

Xchyler Publishing!

The company does have some phenomenal people working for it. Included in this team is Mary. She is taking care of all of the marketing, as well as many other important aspects within the company.
Adding: The Editor in Chief also appears (http://www.courtneyconant.com/)to be a self published author with no prior editing experience. I would guess that the first books this press publishes will be authored by team members.

Mary Duke
07-19-2012, 03:20 PM
Hi guys I just wanted to let you know a few thing to clear the air.
We had a professional create our website, and it ended up taking a little longer to create then we thought. So yes our facebook page was out beforehand.
I, the marketing director, am an aspiring author, but no you will not find my books nor none of the staff's books available anytime soon. (As in it won't happen.) My books are currently being published by Trestle Press and Gypsy Shadow Publishing under the pen name Xchyler Conn.
Courtney Conant is no longer with us, though I would like to say she has worked as a professional editor for many years, between technical writing/editing for books and catalogs to full-length novels.
Our website is http://xchylerpublishing.com/index.html

Our steampunk dragon anthology is closed at the moment, but the authors chosen together split 60% of the profit, as stated in our contract.


"3. ROYALTIES
The Publisher will pay the Author royalties based upon net sales as reported by the Publisher and their distributors as follows: EBOOKS: Forty Percent (40%) to Author of the proceeds of the sale (revenues) received by Publisher through third parties (booksellers, distributors, book clubs, external web sites, etc.) or through direct sales by Publisher; PAPERBACK: Twenty-Five Percent (25%) to Author of proceeds of the sale (revenues) received by Publisher through third parties (as noted above) or through direct sales by Publisher; ANTHOLOGIES: Author split of Sixty Percent (60%) for EBOOK and Twenty-Five Percent (25%) for PAPERBACK. No advance will be paid by the Publisher to the Author."

By the way, Carrie's email is always open as is my own.
Carrie@xchylerpublishing.com
Mary@xchylerpublishing.com

James D. Macdonald
07-19-2012, 07:09 PM
People who are interested in Xchyler Publishing should probably read the Firefly & Wisp (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221019) thread all the way through.

Terie
07-19-2012, 07:29 PM
My books are currently being published by Trestle Press and Gypsy Shadow Publishing under the pen name Xchyler Conn.

Presumably, that would be this Trestle Press (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232879) and this Gypsy Shadow Publishing (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173891).

Do you have any marketing experience with major (Big 6), independent, or small (not micropress) publishers? What industry experience in publishing do other principals at Xchyler Publishing have prior to joining Xchyler?

Terie
07-19-2012, 07:57 PM
Hi guys I just wanted to let you know a few thing to clear the air.
We had a professional create our website, and it ended up taking a little longer to create then we thought. So yes our facebook page was out beforehand.
I, the marketing director, am an aspiring author, but no you will not find my books nor none of the staff's books available anytime soon. (As in it won't happen.) My books are currently being published by Trestle Press and Gypsy Shadow Publishing under the pen name Xchyler Conn.
Courtney Conant is no longer with us, though I would like to say she has worked as a professional editor for many years, between technical writing/editing for books and catalogs to full-length novels.
Our website is http://xchylerpublishing.com/index.html

Our steampunk dragon anthology is closed at the moment, but the authors chosen together split 60% of the profit, as stated in our contract.


"3. ROYALTIES
The Publisher will pay the Author royalties based upon net sales as reported by the Publisher and their distributors as follows: EBOOKS: Forty Percent (40%) to Author of the proceeds of the sale (revenues) received by Publisher through third parties (booksellers, distributors, book clubs, external web sites, etc.) or through direct sales by Publisher; PAPERBACK: Twenty-Five Percent (25%) to Author of proceeds of the sale (revenues) received by Publisher through third parties (as noted above) or through direct sales by Publisher; ANTHOLOGIES: Author split of Sixty Percent (60%) for EBOOK and Twenty-Five Percent (25%) for PAPERBACK. No advance will be paid by the Publisher to the Author."

By the way, Carrie's email is always open as is my own.
Carrie@xchylerpublishing.com
Mary@xchylerpublishing.com

Quoted for posterity.

nkkingston
07-19-2012, 09:19 PM
Someone throw me a bone: how do you pronounce Xchyler? The best I can do on my own is "Zuh-Chi-Ler".

elindsen
07-19-2012, 09:23 PM
I wouldn't trust them. Having prior professional experience with Mary Duke, it was sorely disappointing. I do know she's worked at another epub, but not one highly recommended.

Stacia Kane
07-19-2012, 09:41 PM
Am I the only one who's never heard of a "beta reader" position at a publisher? Could someone explain to me what that entails? (I mean, I know what a beta reader is, of course, but I'm unclear why a publisher would have one.)

Calla Lily
07-19-2012, 09:42 PM
I assumed it was their way of saying "slush reader."

Roger J Carlson
07-19-2012, 09:43 PM
Am I the only one who's never heard of a "beta reader" position at a publisher? Could someone explain to me what that entails? (I mean, I know what a beta reader is, of course, but I'm unclear why a publisher would have one.)First Reader? Intern?

Stacia Kane
07-19-2012, 09:43 PM
Someone throw me a bone: how do you pronounce Xchyler? The best I can do on my own is "Zuh-Chi-Ler".

My guess is "Shy-ler."

Old Hack
07-19-2012, 09:46 PM
That's what I assumed too.

Why call them beta readers, though? It's wrong. And you know how I like things to be right.

Wisteria Vine
07-19-2012, 09:50 PM
Skyler, no?

Calla Lily
07-19-2012, 09:53 PM
I was thinking "Ex-chuy-ler". I'm a literal type. :)

Soccer Mom
07-19-2012, 09:56 PM
Skyler, no?

That's how I've been saying it in my head, but what do I know? Downside to a made up name.

fireluxlou
07-19-2012, 09:56 PM
Lol I've read both threads and well I'm quite confused :D.

Old Hack
07-19-2012, 10:04 PM
I've been thinking "ziche-lar". To rhyme with "eye-ch-larr".

How many different pronunciations does that make? And how many spellings might that equate to, do you think?

Calla Lily
07-19-2012, 10:11 PM
And how difficult will it be for people wanting their books to type it into a search engine? If it's difficult to spell and pronounce... is that how you want to be known? Unless someone's looking for a specific author or book title, what do you type into a search window if you can't quite remember how the publisher's spelled?

aliceshortcake
07-19-2012, 10:14 PM
Beta - Joseph Rubas

This must be the Firefly and Wisp author who posted as jrubas on the other thread.

Medievalist
07-19-2012, 10:19 PM
Skylar

Soccer Mom
07-19-2012, 10:19 PM
Yes, it's the same person. Speaking of F&W, I'm curious what Xchyler intends to do with these author contracts.

I had several books with AMP when they closed their doors. Musa purchased the Aurora imprint. All authors had their rights returned to them and were offered new contracts from Musa. I hope Xchyler offers the same to the F&W authors.

ETA: Because someone has asked me: We were under no obligation to accept the new contracts from Musa. They were offered, but authors were free to take their rights and go elsewhere.

Medievalist
07-19-2012, 10:19 PM
Am I the only one who's never heard of a "beta reader" position at a publisher? Could someone explain to me what that entails? (I mean, I know what a beta reader is, of course, but I'm unclear why a publisher would have one.)

Because they've never actually worked in publishing.

shadowwalker
07-19-2012, 10:53 PM
This whole lot's too inbred for me to touch them with a ten-foot pole. Sister companies, people working for two at the same time, publishing with one place while running working for another, having a title at one place but not working for them (or maybe working for them), husbands/wives, third cousins twice removed... bleah.

Wisteria Vine
07-19-2012, 10:55 PM
And it appears that Danielle Zwissler of F&W is working as Editor in Chief at Xchyler...which makes the "closing our doors" message even more interesting. It seems like (and I could be wrong) that F&W is trying to shield themselves under Xchyler.

https://www.facebook.com/XchylerPublishing.page/info


Xchyler Publishing
About
About
Enhancing readers lives, one author at a time...
Description
Submissions are currently open. We are accepting all types and styles of fiction. We would like to have a specially featured collection of steampunk and paranormal books.

Submission Guidelines are available on our website.

Owner - Carrie Beeson
Marketing Director - Mary Duke
Editor in Chief - Danielle Zwissler
Editor - Melissa Ravelli
Editor - Margaret Grady
Beta - Caitlin McColl
Beta - Rob Hardin
Cover Designer D. Robert Pease

Jamiekswriter
07-19-2012, 11:05 PM
Someone throw me a bone: how do you pronounce Xchyler? The best I can do on my own is "Zuh-Chi-Ler".

I thought it was ECK-eye-ler

fireluxlou
07-19-2012, 11:10 PM
I think it's a variation of Chyler/Schuyler

Gravity
07-19-2012, 11:23 PM
You're all wrong. It's an ancient Etruscan tounge, and is pronounced "Frank."

eternalised
07-19-2012, 11:31 PM
And, to add to the relations between everyone, the owner of Xchyler Publishing, Carrie Beeson, is Mary Duke's mother, according to this post: http://merasyabooklist.blogspot.be/2012/01/xchyler-publishing.html and the comments on the post.

Unimportant
07-19-2012, 11:34 PM
Firefly and Wisp's page (as of yesterday) also said they were looking for unpaid beta readers.

Calla Lily
07-19-2012, 11:41 PM
Argh. This is not Carroll's world inside the Looking-Glass. Beta readers are for mss. Slush readers are for publishers.


"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' "

"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper, some of them—particularly verbs, they're the proudest—adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs—however, I can manage the whole lot! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"

--Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass

brianm
07-19-2012, 11:54 PM
It's pronounced Skylar and Mary Duke explains the name and spelling here. (http://www.facebook.com/novelpublicity/posts/160340050686359?comment_id=1697190)

~brianm~

Stacia Kane
07-20-2012, 12:00 AM
Apparently their marketing includes spamming people on Twitter. With misspellings. *shakes head*

https://twitter.com/xchylerpublish

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/sidgirl/Xchylertwitter.jpg

HapiSofi
07-20-2012, 12:02 AM
So these are the same guys who shut down Firefly & Wisp without a word of warning (or a rights reversion) to their authors? I wouldn't have touched F&W with a ten-foot pole. Xchyler Publishing clearly merits a longer one.

Pretending they're different companies is a convenient fiction. I don't see any reason to go along with it. The name of this publisher is Firefly & Wisp/Xchyler Publishing.

Anybody else notice that their royalty on anthologies doesn't specify whether it's an even split between the story authors, or a prorated percentage based on wordcount?

It's troubling that they list beta readers as staff. Betas read critically and suggest changes, which potentially can include large-scale structural alterations to the work. They also clean up the language and spelling.

In the fanfic world, beta reading is a private arrangement for mutual assistance. It's a good thing. But in the context of a commercial publishing operation, that kind of work is done by editors, copyeditors, and proofreaders. They don't mix.

If F&W/XP has been soliciting unpaid beta readers, I don't think their authors are going to get a fair shake, and I doubt their beta readers will either.

brianm
07-20-2012, 12:05 AM
It appears Courtney Conant (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Courtney/Gill), who was until today their Editor In Chief, is also an owner of Xchyler.

Old Hack
07-20-2012, 12:06 AM
It's pronounced Skylar and Mary Duke explains the name and spelling here. (http://www.facebook.com/novelpublicity/posts/160340050686359?comment_id=1697190)

~brianm~

If it's pronounced Skylar, why is it spelled Xchyler? Wouldn't Skylar be better?

Roger J Carlson
07-20-2012, 12:07 AM
It appears Courtney Conant (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Courtney/Gill), who was until today their Editor In Chief, is also an owner of Xchyler.
A better link: http://www.linkedin.com/in/courtneyconant

brianm
07-20-2012, 12:13 AM
If it's pronounced Skylar, why is it spelled Xchyler? Wouldn't Skylar be better?

:Shrug:

She was 13 at the time and spelled it that way because "... she fell in love with the spelling."

~brian~

nkkingston
07-20-2012, 12:39 AM
:Shrug:

She was 13 at the time and spelled it that way because "... she fell in love with the spelling."

~brian~

I know it's wrong and terribly bitchy of me, but when I'm looking for trainwreck threads to read (always a good way to remind yourself to research research research) my criteria is usually "does this publisher sound like it was named by a thirteen year old?" I'd say I get maybe an 80% success rate on ball-of-flame one-wheel-rolls-away implosions.

aliceshortcake
07-20-2012, 12:51 AM
I know it's wrong and terribly bitchy of me, but when I'm looking for trainwreck threads to read (always a good way to remind yourself to research research research) my criteria is usually "does this publisher sound like it was named by a thirteen year old?"

Exactly. A thirteen year old wearing industrial strength eyeliner and fingerless gloves.

Momento Mori
07-20-2012, 02:34 AM
Soccer Mom:
Speaking of F&W, I'm curious what Xchyler intends to do with these author contracts.

I had several books with AMP when they closed their doors. Musa purchased the Aurora imprint. All authors had their rights returned to them and were offered new contracts from Musa. I hope Xchyler offers the same to the F&W authors.

I don't. The commonality of people associated with both companies is a big red flag to me. If F&W has closed its doors then I'm hoping they do the right thing and return all rights without going down the assignment route. That way the authors concerned can hopefully learn from it and move on rather than fall into another operation that lacks experience and capability.

MM

James D. Macdonald
07-20-2012, 02:37 AM
The discussion of how the name ought to be pronounced, hilarious as it is, is getting a bit far afield from this publisher in particular.

This publisher, their experience and their business model, should be the focus of the conversation.

My advice to all authors: Start at the top and work down. If you've written any sort of publishable book at all you'll never get to this level.

HapiSofi
07-20-2012, 04:43 AM
This whole lot's too inbred for me to touch them with a ten-foot pole. Sister companies, people working for two at the same time, publishing with one place while running working for another, having a title at one place but not working for them (or maybe working for them), husbands/wives, third cousins twice removed... bleah.

Shadowwalker, it helps if you assume that everyone whose existence can't be independently verified is either Courtney Conant or Mary Duke/Xchyler Conn. I believe that CC and MD/XC are separate individuals because they don't invariably promote all their books. Courtney Conant sometimes promotes Mary/Xchyler's Keizara. Mary/Xchyler sometimes promotes The Blood Moon of Winter and The Mind Entangled. But sometimes they don't; and therefore they are two separate writers.

I wouldn't necessarily vouch for the real existence of anything else they mention.

Soccer Mom
07-20-2012, 04:51 AM
I don't. The commonality of people associated with both companies is a big red flag to me. If F&W has closed its doors then I'm hoping they do the right thing and return all rights without going down the assignment route. That way the authors concerned can hopefully learn from it and move on rather than fall into another operation that lacks experience and capability.

MM

Oh, I agree that the whole operation is riddled with red flags. My point was that even if the original contracts allow F&W to assign them to Xchyler, I hope Xchyler would return the rights and allow the authors to choose their own path.

And if I was one of those authors, my path would be as far and fast as my little feet could take me from this "publisher."

michael_b
07-20-2012, 04:52 AM
Am I the only one who's never heard of a "beta reader" position at a publisher? Could someone explain to me what that entails? (I mean, I know what a beta reader is, of course, but I'm unclear why a publisher would have one.)

My guess is they mean 'first reader' but that's, as I noted, a guess.

HapiSofi
07-20-2012, 05:19 AM
Oh, I agree that the whole operation is riddled with red flags. My point was that even if the original contracts allow F&W to assign them to Xchyler, I hope Xchyler would return the rights and allow the authors to choose their own path.

And if I was one of those authors, my path would be as far and fast as my little feet could take me from this "publisher."

A contract that anticipated handing over F&W's catalogue to Xchyler would be strong legal evidence that they're the same company. And as I just noted in the F&W thread, F&W has zero right to hand over its slush and its under-consideration manuscripts to a third party. The manuscripts were sumitted to F&W for their consideration. That means F&W has only two choices: they can say no, or they can say yes and then see whether both parties can agree on a contract. That's all. They cannot convey a manuscript to a third party without getting the author's consent in advance.

Medievalist
07-20-2012, 07:31 AM
Avoid editors with a comma splice issue.

It won't end well.

Theo81
07-20-2012, 05:15 PM
Pretending they're different companies is a convenient fiction. I don't see any reason to go along with it. The name of this publisher is Firefly & Wisp/Xchyler Publishing.


I was thinking that. Mary Duke, can you please clarify whether F&W are a separate company from Xchyler or whether the threads should be merged.

I'd also like to mention that your slush reader is going to hate you.


Xchyler is now open to general submissions of all genres of fantasy and fiction genres, with a special emphasis on Paranormal and Steampunk.

means you are open to MG and Erotica to my understanding.

Torgo
07-20-2012, 05:26 PM
It's interesting, though, that the Xchyler covers appear to be roughly a billion times better than the F&W ones. They're not anywhere near trade standard, but nor are they eye-wateringly incompetent.

Mary Duke
07-20-2012, 07:26 PM
Though I should not be posting I wanted to make some things clear.

I think i will start by saying I FULLY support this website. I think it is a great idea, and I think MOST of you are fully intent on helping authors make the right choice. In the case of Firefly and Wisp, I fully support that the company is no longer trustworthy.
She plagiarized, quickly changed it, tried to hide it, tried to have it deleted from the web, amongst other things.
I HAVE worked with Firefly and Wisp marketing for them over the past few months. Xchyler Publishing has no books out to market, it keeps my name and online places moving and growing, and it helps authors.

We were looking for an EiC Danielle was filling the spot to keep our books on track till we found a new one. She has since been removed, and our search continues. We are in contact with a few possibilities and we are waiting for proper documentation.
The name of the company or how it was named has nothing to do with the business itself. Though I would like to say Xchyler is NOT made up, there is a university by the name of Xchyler.
Xchyler Publishing has nothing to do with Firefly and Wisp. I, the marketing director, have marketed for them, though I have NO standing within the company. I am paid just as the editors, and cover designer are.
Carrie has in fact made a phone call to the lawyer, and if the bashing continues we will visit him this week. NOTE as I have said we support this website fully. ANY proof of the company being harmful to authors we have NO problem with you having it here. Saying that we are the same company as another, and dogging the company because of the name has nothing to do with how it is ran, and how it's authors are treated.

Old Hack
07-20-2012, 07:47 PM
Though I should not be posting I wanted to make some things clear.

I think i will start by saying I FULLY support this website. I think it is a great idea, and I think MOST of you are fully intent on helping authors make the right choice. In the case of Firefly and Wisp, I fully support that the company is no longer trustworthy.

She plagiarized, quickly changed it, tried to hide it, tried to have it deleted from the web, amongst other things.

I HAVE worked with Firefly and Wisp marketing for them over the past few months. Xchyler Publishing has no books out to market, it keeps my name and online places moving and growing, and it helps authors.

We were looking for an EiC Danielle was filling the spot to keep our books on track till we found a new one. She has since been removed, and our search continues. We are in contact with a few possibilities and we are waiting for proper documentation.

The name of the company or how it was named has nothing to do with the business itself. Though I would like to say Xchyler is NOT made up, there is a university by the name of Xchyler.

Xchyler Publishing has nothing to do with Firefly and Wisp. I, the marketing director, have marketed for them, though I have NO standing within the company. I am paid just as the editors, and cover designer are.

Carrie has in fact made a phone call to the lawyer, and if the bashing continues we will visit him this week. NOTE as I have said we support this website fully. ANY proof of the company being harmful to authors we have NO problem with you having it here. Saying that we are the same company as another, and dogging the company because of the name has nothing to do with how it is ran, and how it's authors are treated.

I've adjusted the formatting a tiny bit to make this easier to read.

brianm
07-20-2012, 07:49 PM
Though I should not be posting I wanted to make some things clear.

I think i will start by saying I FULLY support this website. I think it is a great idea, and I think MOST of you are fully intent on helping authors make the right choice. In the case of Firefly and Wisp, I fully support that the company is no longer trustworthy.
She plagiarized, quickly changed it, tried to hide it, tried to have it deleted from the web, amongst other things.
I HAVE worked with Firefly and Wisp marketing for them over the past few months. Xchyler Publishing has no books out to market, it keeps my name and online places moving and growing, and it helps authors.

We were looking for an EiC Danielle was filling the spot to keep our books on track till we found a new one. She has since been removed, and our search continues. We are in contact with a few possibilities and we are waiting for proper documentation.
The name of the company or how it was named has nothing to do with the business itself. Though I would like to say Xchyler is NOT made up, there is a university by the name of Xchyler.
Xchyler Publishing has nothing to do with Firefly and Wisp. I, the marketing director, have marketed for them, though I have NO standing within the company. I am paid just as the editors, and cover designer are.
Carrie has in fact made a phone call to the lawyer, and if the bashing continues we will visit him this week. NOTE as I have said we support this website fully. ANY proof of the company being harmful to authors we have NO problem with you having it here. Saying that we are the same company as another, and dogging the company because of the name has nothing to do with how it is ran, and how it's authors are treated.

Mary,

What professional publishing experience does your mother have?

If none, what was her motivation in opening Xchyler Publishing?

~brianm~

Mary Duke
07-20-2012, 07:57 PM
She has been in the book world, reading, writing, and being published for over twenty years, though like many, she keeps her legal name out of the mix. She has seen the level of publishing companies that were opening their doors, and she knew she could offer better.
Granted, I give you guys the fact that we have been off to a rocky start, we didn’t expect to lose our EiC. That can be held against the company, though we are currently looking for another who is just as qualified as Courtney.

Perks
07-20-2012, 08:14 PM
The connections with Firefly & Wisp are there, like it or not. It is unfortunate as Xchlyer tries to gain traction in the publishing world. There are multiple points of overlap between your company and the company you're seeking distance from and I can see where that is distressing to you, but there it is.

Noticing that, commenting on that, and expressing concerns about it is hard to construe as bashing, although I can appreciate your not liking it. You swinging lawyer threats doesn't do anything for your position.



Carrie has in fact made a phone call to the lawyer, and if the bashing continues we will visit him this week.

victoriastrauss
07-20-2012, 08:15 PM
She has been in the book world, reading, writing, and being published for over twenty years, though like many, she keeps her legal name out of the mix. She has seen the level of publishing companies that were opening their doors, and she knew she could offer better.
Published where?

Unfortunately believing they can offer better is how many new, inexperienced publishers come to grief--even with the best of intentions.

- Victoria

Mary Duke
07-20-2012, 08:20 PM
Not threats, just a fact I thought I would share.
Connections about merges can not be made about companies through private contractors.
Could it be said that a school teacher, who teaches sports for another school, is, and has combined the schools?

veinglory
07-20-2012, 08:21 PM
F&W is an example of why publishing experience claims cannot always be taken on face value.

Perks
07-20-2012, 08:30 PM
Not threats, just a fact I thought I would share.
Connections about merges can not be made about companies through private contractors.
Could it be said that a school teacher, who teaches sports for another school, is, and has combined the schools?Ms. Duke, it feels like you're being disingenuous. Surely you can see where the overlap in F&W's personnel with Xychler's would be a cause for concern for writers in the wake of F&W's collapse.

It's not even a matter of painting you with the same brush. I would take it on your word that Xychler intends to conduct business to the best of its ability. The expertise and publishing knowledge to shore up Xychler's ability to do so, though, will be called into question by its having hitched its wagon (via multiple hitches) to a number of F&W's people who blundered in a range from clueless to dishonest.

These are the things we talk about here at AW on this subforum.

G. Applejack
07-20-2012, 08:39 PM
Not threats, just a fact I thought I would share.
Connections about merges can not be made about companies through private contractors.
Could it be said that a school teacher, who teaches sports for another school, is, and has combined the schools?

I have always disliked comparisons such as these. The fact is you are not a school. You are a publisher, which is a private business instead of run by the government (unless you plan to host a bake sale to send your team/authors to the regional championship?).

It's probably wise to distance yourself as much as possible from F&W, but as one of your potential future authors I want to know how, exactly, you plan to do this. And do you know anything of the transfer of contracts to your business as hinted about by F&W?

fadeaccompli
07-20-2012, 08:49 PM
She has been in the book world, reading, writing, and being published for over twenty years, though like many, she keeps her legal name out of the mix.

...wait, wait. She keeps her legal name out of the mix?

How does that make any sense? Is she ashamed of her previous writing career, that she doesn't want to associate it with the current project? Or is it the other way around? If she's done good things in "the book world" then it can only be to her benefit to associate her name with what she's doing in "the book world" now; to keep the two separated suggests that one would make people think less of the other, and I'm not sure which. But either way it doesn't sound good.

Kitty Pryde
07-20-2012, 08:53 PM
In the google cache, the Firefly and Wisp website announces that "Firefly & Wisp would like to welcome Xchyler Publishing as a "sister" company.* Xchyler will be producing some great new books soon. Look for our updates on them as well."

Not sure what the official meaning of sister in quotation marks is, but it seems strange to assert that the companies are unaffiliated.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://hstrial-dzwissler1.homestead.com/News.html&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

shadowwalker
07-20-2012, 09:01 PM
I'm sorry, but after looking at the "About Us" page, other than your graphic designer, I just don't see anyone who has any real experience/education in publishing. "Many years of", "many projects", or being an avid fan/reader just doesn't cut it, nor does being a published author. Where did they work, exactly how many years, what were their actual titles? What tells me that any of the staff are more than just people who think they can be publishers? Those are all things I'd want to know before signing on the dotted line.

Darkwing
07-20-2012, 09:10 PM
Carrie has in fact made a phone call to the lawyer, and if the bashing continues we will visit him this week. NOTE as I have said we support this website fully. ANY proof of the company being harmful to authors we have NO problem with you having it here.

Let me just pop in and say this gave me the best laugh I've had all day so far. This sounds so much like part of a "tone" letter from PublishAmerica that it's hilarious. Let me just advise you now: as Perks pointed out, threatening people who are trying to figure out whether your company is legit doesn't really lend much to your image of legitimacy, now does it?

As far as your intimation that you COULD sue about anything in this thread--completely laughable. I'm not lawyer, but for one I know we have the right to have our own opinions. It's called free speech. For another, as Xchlyer Publishing is a business and we are potential customers, we have a right to investigate your company as deeply as we can. You talk about evidence of harming authors--well, if your team isn't what we consider qualified, we consider that potential harm to an author. A well-meaning press that fails can do incredible harm to an author's career. And thus it is our right to be wary of presses that we consider to carry hallmarks of a strong possibility of failure. And it's our right to share this information with others.

Really, the lawyer baloney doesn't scare us.


She has been in the book world, reading, writing, and being published for over twenty years, though like many, she keeps her legal name out of the mix. She has seen the level of publishing companies that were opening their doors, and she knew she could offer better.

"Legal name out of the mix?" Totally suspicious. If you have proof she's qualified, give it to us. Titles, ISBNs. If you do the whole "I have proof but I'm not going to give it to you" junk, we're just going to think it's a lie. In this case, the onus is on YOU to back up your claims.

Also, being "in the book world" (whatever that means?? Is it an alternate reality now? I'd like to visit that world), and being a reader doesn't qualify someone to be a publisher. Being a published writer doesn't either. This is why people specifically study publishing, intern at publishing companies, become editors, and gain experience in the industry. That side of things is quite different from the view we get as readers and writers.

Wisteria Vine
07-20-2012, 09:13 PM
So...wait. I just want to get this straight.

1.F&W post on their site that they're closing doors and sending all their contracts over to Xchyler.
2. A bit of research into Xchyler reveals that the owner of F&W (Danielle Zwissler) is their Editor in Chief.
3. One of F&W's authors - Joseph Rubas - posts that he has taken on the Assistant Director of Marketing for F&W.
4. A bit of research reveals that Joseph Rubas was also a 'beta reader' for Xchyler. (They later claim he's been 'terminated', a harsh fate indeed.)
5. Then some of F&W's other authors post about how they're now with Xchyler - thanks to F&W - but only suddenly they're not because Danielle has been comforted enough by "her authors" after her run in with the "mean people who suck."
6. F&W posts that they're a "sister company" with Xchyler.


And NOW you run in and say AW is bashing you because you have "no relationship with F&W?"

And you also threaten to sue over your own company's history of missteps?

Let me just say: You're not helping your case.

suki
07-20-2012, 09:16 PM
Mary, I actually do encourage you and your mother to consult an experienced and effective attorney right now. Edited To Add (In case this feels like a piling on): I'm not being sarcastic, or mean, or snide - I'm actually saying, if you are acting in good faith and want to do the right thing, to make sure you protect yourselves and any prospective authors, get some timely and solid legal advice now before you go any deeper. :)

You need to explore all the legal and economic ramifications of pursuing this before you go any further - ie, what capital funding you will need, what legal agreements and steps you must take, what disclosures you need to make to prospective authors so as to avoid claims of fraud and breach of contract, etc.

If someone associated with Firefly and Wisp lied when they said Xchyler was a sister company, or insinuated that Xchyler would be taking over contracts, then you may very well wish to take legal action against F&W/it's owners/that person, etc.

You'll want to talk with the attorney (and maybe an accountant) about what steps to take to adequately fund and properly structure the business - ie, overhead, lines of credit/capital funding, etc., during the start up period. You'll also need to discuss whether you need to make any disclaimers to prospective authors so that they are fully aware of what Xchyler will, and will not, do wither regard to their books.

Eventually, Xchyler is going to have to demonstrate to prospective authors that:

- Xchyler's staff has the professional publishing experience to backup your/your mother's belief that it can effectively publish others' books. (And, FWIW, saying, we can do better than some isn't good enough).

- Xchyler has a well-conceived and reasonable plan for how to proceed - ie, to produce, distribute and effectively market their books, and how to grow the business from start up to self-sustaining business, and what that will cost.

- Xchyler has a professional and reasonable contract, and is up front with prospective authors about what services they can expect from Xchyler and the likelihood of financial returns from publishing through Xchyler.

The taint of F&W is not the only issue here. Xchyler is going to have to demonstrate that its owners and staff have the professional publishing experience necessary to effectively produce and market books, and that you are a good risk for prospective authors.

Unfortunately, the taint of F&W complicates that. But many of these questions would be asked, even without F&W's association.

~suki

Sheryl Nantus
07-20-2012, 09:19 PM
Meh.

It's been my experience that as soon as someone bleats out "We're gonna call da lawyers!" it's a huge red flag of someone not knowing much about anything.

Perks
07-20-2012, 10:01 PM
Well, lawyers charge by the hour. Someone should get happy after all of this mess.

Foinah
07-20-2012, 10:38 PM
This whole thing is such a train wreck. Ugh.

Theo81
07-20-2012, 10:50 PM
Though I should not be posting I wanted to make some things clear.

I think i will start by saying I FULLY support this website. I think it is a great idea, and I think MOST of you are fully intent on helping authors make the right choice. In the case of Firefly and Wisp, I fully support that the company is no longer trustworthy.
She plagiarized, quickly changed it, tried to hide it, tried to have it deleted from the web, amongst other things.
I HAVE worked with Firefly and Wisp marketing for them over the past few months. Xchyler Publishing has no books out to market, it keeps my name and online places moving and growing, and it helps authors.



We were looking for an EiC Danielle was filling the spot to keep our books on track till we found a new one. She has since been removed, and our search continues. We are in contact with a few possibilities and we are waiting for proper documentation.
The name of the company or how it was named has nothing to do with the business itself. Though I would like to say Xchyler is NOT made up, there is a university by the name of Xchyler.
Xchyler Publishing has nothing to do with Firefly and Wisp. I, the marketing director, have marketed for them, though I have NO standing within the company. I am paid just as the editors, and cover designer are.

Please can you clarify your position on F&W's claims yours is a sister company to theirs, and that you would be taking over their slush pile. Did you know about it? Had you agreed to it?




Carrie has in fact made a phone call to the lawyer, and if the bashing continues we will visit him this week. NOTE as I have said we support this website fully. ANY proof of the company being harmful to authors we have NO problem with you having it here. Saying that we are the same company as another, and dogging the company because of the name has nothing to do with how it is ran, and how it's authors are treated.

There's a report post button in the bottom left of every post (it's the little red triangle.) Press it and the Mods will descend from their diabolical lair to sort it out with extreme prejudice. This is a privately owned board and we are all guests here. Anything which requires the aid of a lawyer falls into the realm of needing reportage.






She has been in the book world, reading, writing, and being published for over twenty years, though like many, she keeps her legal name out of the mix. She has seen the level of publishing companies that were opening their doors, and she knew she could offer better.
Granted, I give you guys the fact that we have been off to a rocky start, we didn’t expect to lose our EiC. That can be held against the company, though we are currently looking for another who is just as qualified as Courtney.

I don't hold losing an EiC against the company unless there is a need to, for instance a resignation because they had concerns about the way the company was run.

Any name you use counts as a legal name (at least in the UK). She must have something she writes on the checks and contracts whether "pen name" or legal name.

Perhaps you could link us to her published books. I assume she had some sort of identifier attacher to them, even if it's Anonymous (although I believe he's German) or Banksy.

Stacia Kane
07-20-2012, 11:22 PM
Xchyler Publishing has no books out to market, it keeps my name and online places moving and growing, and it helps authors.

How does it keep your name and "online places" moving and growing?

How does keeping your name moving and growing help authors, and how does the fact that Xchyler has no books out help authors?

I'm genuinely curious; I'm failing to see the benefits and would love to have them explained.


The name of the company or how it was named has nothing to do with the business itself. Though I would like to say Xchyler is NOT made up, there is a university by the name of Xchyler.

Wellll...the name does provide insight into the company's principals.

Google searches for "Xchyler University" and "Xchyler College" failed to turn up anything. (I did the searches without quotes: one with quotes for "Xchyler University" tells me there are no results.)





Carrie has in fact made a phone call to the lawyer, and if the bashing continues we will visit him this week. NOTE as I have said we support this website fully. ANY proof of the company being harmful to authors we have NO problem with you having it here. Saying that we are the same company as another, and dogging the company because of the name has nothing to do with how it is ran, and how it's authors are treated.

1. Sorry, but "We totally support you but plan to sue" is kind of a contradiction, isn't it?

2. Well, there is proof and there is proof. There is in this thread proof that certain people involved with this publisher have misrepresented themselves and their experience. There is proof in this thread that the principals use non-standard publishing terms, or use such terms incorrectly, which speaks volumes to the level of professionalism and experience. There is proof in this thread that basic questions are going unanswered. There is proof in this thread that the principals do not appear to have a working knowledge of the business of publishing. There is proof in this thread that claims have been made which appear now to be untrue regarding the relationship between F&W and Xchyler, and proof that the principals refuse to clarify aspects of that relationship, and claim it's a falsehood when proof has been presented that at least one party believes there is a relationship. There is proof that one of the F&W principals who was also a principal at Xchyler thought it was fine to unceremoniously "shut down" F&W, thus leaving authors in the lurch--you yourself said one author had spent money to promote a book that was suddenly yanked without explanation--but is now apparently changing her mind because some of her authors were nice to her. That is behavior which hurts authors.

It's my experience and the experience of those here, I believe, that all of those behaviors are either hurtful or potentially hurtful to authors.

3. It's "how the company is run," not "ran," and "its" authors, not "it's."

Terie
07-20-2012, 11:39 PM
Allow me to repeat post #8 of this thread:


Presumably, that would be this Trestle Press (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232879) and this Gypsy Shadow Publishing (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173891).

Do you have any marketing experience with major (Big 6), independent, or small (not micropress) publishers? What industry experience in publishing do other principals at Xchyler Publishing have prior to joining Xchyler?

We have yet to see satisfactory answers to these questions, which, should satisfactory answers exist, shouldn't be difficult.

Instead we have waffling around about relationships and non-relationships, and threats to go to a lawyer.

Hmmm. While you're talking to your lawyer, you might want to discuss the concept of 'conflict of interest', which I'm pretty sure would apply to the owner of one publisher working as Editor-in-Chief for another and also to someone with the title 'Marketing Director' working for multiple competitors. (Not sure on that, but I'd be a little surprised to find out I'm wrong. Heck, I'm just a tech writer and I couldn't work for a competitor on the side and expect not to get fired.) EiC and Marketing Director are chief management positions that include access to confidential information that would be inappropriate to share between competitors.

Jamiekswriter
07-21-2012, 12:29 AM
I popped onto Xchyler's site and didn't see what royalties they were offering or any payment information and if it was off cover price or net (and what constitutes net for them).

Mary Duke, did I miss it? If so, can you point me in the right direction or post it here?

LindaJeanne
07-21-2012, 01:39 AM
Mary,

It's Friday afternoon after a long (very long) week at work, so it may be why I'm having difficulty making sense of some of your comments -- I have trouble making sense of much of anything on Friday evenings! So I'd appreciate if you'd clarify a few things for my addled mind.


Xchyler Publishing Submissions team have agreed to read through the Firefly and Wisp manuscripts, when we get proof that their contracts have been terminated.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Can you please clarify?


Joseph Rubas was a beta reader at Xchyler Publishing when we started in January, though was very quickly terminated
Again, here I'm not sure what you mean by a "beta reader", in the context of a publisher. Rather than me possibly guessing wrong, could you please clarify what his role was?



I HAVE worked with Firefly and Wisp marketing for them over the past few months...Xchyler Publishing has nothing to do with Firefly and Wisp. I, the marketing director, have marketed for them, though I have NO standing within the company. I am paid just as the editors, and cover designer are.
So the FF&W marketing director was a freelance position, then?

Can you understand why we might have difficulty making sense of how you might be marketing for one publisher (even on a freelance baiss) while running another publishing company? Wouldn't the marketing you did for them take away from the time you could be marketing your own authors' work?

Perhaps it would make more sense if you clarified.


Xchyler Publishing has nothing to do with Firefly and Wisp.
Were you aware that FF&W has claimed you as a "sister company"? What is your response to this claim?




Xchyler Publishing has no books out to market,
Does it intend to?


it keeps my name and online places moving and growing,
Not quite sure what this means. And is this the company's primary purpose?


and it helps authors. How, if it doesn't have any of their books to market? I feel like I'm missing something obvious here.


We were looking for an EiC Danielle was filling the spot to keep our books on track till we found a new one. She has since been removed, and our search continues.,
So she was the Interim Editor in Chief. Was she filling this role while running her own publishing company? Again, I'm confused how this would work -- wouldn't acting as EiC for you (even temporarily) interfere with her ability to act as EiC for her own company? And -- more pertanetnt to Xchyler -- wouldn't the reverse be true as well? Wouldn't running her own company get in the way of acting as your (even temporary) EiC?

Also, how can you claim that there is "no connection" between the two companies, when the owner of FF&W was acting temporarily as your EiC, and the you were doing freelance marketing for FF&W? That doesn't necessarily equal "they are the same company". But it certainly counts as a connection.


She has been in the book world,
Can you please explain what this means?


reading, writing, and being published for over twenty years,
This is very admirable. But it has very little to do with running a publishing company.


though like many, she keeps her legal name out of the mix.
I can understand an author desiring to remain anonymous. But an anonymous publisher lacks credibility -- literally, since they are unable to provide details of past experience. Before turning their manuscripts over to a publisher, authors should know who that publisher is and precisely -- not just vaguely -- what experience they have that qualifies them to do the jobs.


She has seen the level of publishing companies that were opening their doors, and she knew she could offer better.
I'm not sure I understand what this means. Does it mean that she could do better than some of the other folks with absolutely no publishing experience who tried to start a publishing house? I am certain this is true -- but doing better other people who have no business starting a publishing house doesn't necessarily mean one will be able to run a publishing house successfully.



Granted, I give you guys the fact that we have been off to a rocky start, we didn’t expect to lose our EiC. That can be held against the company, though we are currently looking for another who is just as qualified as Courtney.
I apologize if this was already answered, but if her qualifications were mentioned, I missed it. Can you remind me what they were? (So I know what you are looking for?)

Again, this could all just be my Friday brain, and I apologize if that's the case. But I'd appreciate some help making head and tails of this.

HapiSofi
07-21-2012, 02:01 AM
Though I should not be posting I wanted to make some things clear.

I think i will start by saying I FULLY support this website. I think it is a great idea, and I think MOST of you are fully intent on helping authors make the right choice.
We all are. Some of us express it differently.


In the case of Firefly and Wisp, I fully support that the company is no longer trustworthy.

She plagiarized, quickly changed it, tried to hide it, tried to have it deleted from the web, amongst other things.
Personally, I'm wondering which of her current or former employers would recognize their own metadata (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7437827&postcount=28).

I HAVE worked with Firefly and Wisp marketing for them over the past few months. Xchyler Publishing has no books out to market, it keeps my name and online places moving and growing, and it helps authors.
You don't see any conflict of interest in running one publishing company while working for another?

We were looking for an EiC Danielle was filling the spot to keep our books on track till we found a new one. She has since been removed, and our search continues. We are in contact with a few possibilities and we are waiting for proper documentation.
I don't find that terribly plausible. You don't need "proper documentation" to hire an editor. You need to find a real editor who's willing to work with you. I'd have believed you more if you said you were waiting to hear back from them on your offer.

The name of the company or how it was named has nothing to do with the business itself. Though I would like to say Xchyler is NOT made up, there is a university by the name of Xchyler.
No, there is not. I suggest you resign yourself to telling the truth for the rest of your life, because you have no talent at all in the other direction.

My other lifetime advice to you is that if you don't master Google, it will master you. In this case, xchyler plus university minus publishing minus three other common search results that obviously weren't universities = barely ten pages of Google results.

Xchyler Publishing has nothing to do with Firefly and Wisp.
Xchyler and F&W have easily-found ties all over the web. Some of them will be immortalized on Wayback, a.k.a. the Internet Archive.

I, the marketing director, have marketed for them, though I have NO standing within the company. I am paid just as the editors, and cover designer are.
Your employment at F&W is an obvious tie between your companies. It's also, I'll point out again, a conflict of interest.

Carrie has in fact made a phone call to the lawyer, and if the bashing continues we will visit him this week.
You have zero grounds for legal action. Pursuing that remedy is a matter of how much money you're ready to waste and how stupid you're willing to look.

NOTE as I have said we support this website fully. ANY proof of the company being harmful to authors we have NO problem with you having it here. Saying that we are the same company as another, and dogging the company because of the name has nothing to do with how it is ran, and how it's authors are treated.
If you want to be a real publisher, learn what the actual laws say about slander and libel. There hasn't been a thing said on this forum that doesn't fall well within the boundaries of allowed or protected speech.

Unimportant
07-21-2012, 02:04 AM
She has seen the level of publishing companies that were opening their doors, and she knew she could offer better.

I would find it really helpful if this could be put into context. Do you mean she knew she could offer better than PublishAmerica and iUniverse? Or better than Samhain, Entangled, and Musa? Or better than Luna, Baen, and Serpent's Tail?

Stacia Kane
07-21-2012, 05:11 AM
I wonder if perhaps Mary is thinking of Xavier University?


(Which, btw, is pronounced "Zavier" or sometimes "Eks-avier"--I've heard both. Not "Skavier." Which shows again that our questions regarding the correct pronunciation of "Xchyler" aren't us being snotty or rude, it's us understanding the sound made by the letter X and being confused as to what that means for the pronunciation of your company's name.

To quote Herman Wouk in MARJORIE MORNINGSTAR: You don't choose a pen name to stand out, you choose one to fit in.)

James D. Macdonald
07-21-2012, 07:32 AM
Years ago I worked with the Latin American Programs department at Ft. Amador (formerly 5th Naval District), an Echelon 2 command.

We called the Xerox machine the Sherosh.

So there's that.

What does the name of this publisher have to do with anything?

If they'd asked my advice I'd have told them that their name should be:

1) Easy to spell
2) Easy to pronounce
3) Not embarrassing to say aloud.

nkkingston
07-22-2012, 12:51 PM
What does the name of this publisher have to do with anything?

If they'd asked my advice I'd have told them that their name should be:

1) Easy to spell
2) Easy to pronounce
3) Not embarrassing to say aloud.

Same with pen names: if no one can pronounce a name they read online, they're not going to be able to ask the book shop employee where to find you. If no one can spell a name a friend recommended to them, they're not going to be able to search for the author online.

chekzchevov
10-23-2012, 11:57 PM
I know it's wrong and terribly bitchy of me, but when I'm looking for trainwreck threads to read (always a good way to remind yourself to research research research) my criteria is usually "does this publisher sound like it was named by a thirteen year old?" I'd say I get maybe an 80% success rate on ball-of-flame one-wheel-rolls-away implosions.

Okay fine, after an hour of reading/swapping between tabs on both this thread and the F&W someone finally got me to chuckle.

kelliewallace
11-01-2012, 03:36 AM
They have an exceptionally unique submission process. It takes too long to do all that. What happened to 3 chapters and a synopsis?

aliceshortcake
11-01-2012, 04:04 AM
Include in your submission material:

A one-page query letter, including:
Name, address, and contact information

A short blurb explaining the premise of your book
Length of the book, genre, and target market
Author's credentials and/or writing experience.

A synopsis of the manuscript, including:

A one-page cover letter, with the following information marked with clearly defined headings. This should include:

Author
Address
Phone Number
Email Address
Working Title (and series title if applicable)
Genre
Blurb

A chapter-by-chapter synopsis of your book. You may use either the narrative or outline styles. However, do not exceed three pages in length. Clearly state your story arch and character development, as well as demonstrate a sound understanding of your manuscript's structure.

The first 10,000 words or first three chapters of your book.
http://www.xchylerpublishing.com/site.cfm/submissions.cfm

A chapter-by-chapter synopsis not exceeding three pages in length?
Story arch?
"Demonstrate a sound understanding of your manuscript's structure?" That sounds like an exam question!

LindaJeanne
11-01-2012, 08:43 AM
Story arch?
"Demonstrate a sound understanding of your manuscript's structure?"
I've always liked structures with lots of arches. Also balconies, catwalks, and bridges. Don't know how well I can claim to understand the acoustics, though, since I'm not a sound engineer.

Anarchic Q
08-07-2013, 05:58 AM
So, Xchyler has apparently gone through a complete re-haul of staff and ownership, and has been demoted to a sci-fi/steampunk arm of Hamilton Springs Press. Thoughts?

brianm
08-07-2013, 08:02 AM
So, Xchyler has apparently gone through a complete re-haul of staff and ownership, and has been demoted to a sci-fi/steampunk arm of Hamilton Springs Press. Thoughts?

From its newest editor's blog:


Hamilton Springs Publishing (http://laurisareyes.blogspot.com/2013/07/my-new-adventure-hamilton-springs.html) began two years ago as Xchyler Press (pronounced Skyler). Now, under the guidance of Editor-in-Chief Penny Freeman and Business Manager Heidi Birch, Xchlyer Press is now the paranormal/steampunk imprint. More imprints are planned for the near future.

Samsonet
08-07-2013, 11:06 AM
Does this mean Xchyler's passed the two-year mark?

Also, can someone explain why steampunk and paranormal are under one imprint? I know I'm clueless about how publishing works -- having several genres under one imprint seems logical at least -- but that seems an odd combination to me.

nkkingston
08-07-2013, 02:23 PM
I think popular authors like Gail Carriger have done well marrying the two genres in their books, so it's becoming more common to categorise them together. You can stick historical paranormal under the label without too much confusion even if it is lacking in cogs.

brianm
08-07-2013, 07:17 PM
Does this mean Xchyler's passed the two-year mark?.

IMO, no. If you read the About Us (http://www.xchylerpublishing.com/site.cfm/about-us.cfm) page you'll find that Xchyler nearly closed its doors when one partner left, but didn't because the other partner was able to find an equally inexperienced-in-professional-publishing business partner. The new partners renamed the company and made the previous nearly failed Xchyler an imprint.

IMO, the two year clock was reset when the new business partner signed on because there's still nothing to indicate what nearly happened to Xchyler won't happen to the new entity.

As a side note, I find their referring to Xchyler as "The X" amateur and silly.


As the first imprint of Hamilton Springs Press, The X (http://www.xchylerpublishing.com/) proudly grooms and introduces exciting new authors committed to their craft.

-brianm-

eternalised
08-07-2013, 08:01 PM
I find their submission system a bit odd. You have to submit a story to an anthology first - which I think is an unpaid anthology, by the way - and then they'll contact you if they're interested in one of your full manuscripts? Or am I reading this wrong?

Edit: Winners get royalties. Didn't notice that first time around! Sorry.

FM Longo
10-11-2013, 05:43 PM
According to their website:

Open Submissions season is October 1st-November 30th. At that time, we will accept general submissions of all fiction genres, with a special emphasis on Paranormal and Steampunk, from established or unpublished authors. We will consider previously released manuscripts on a case-by-case basis.

JEISME
08-03-2014, 11:18 PM
Has anyone worked with these guys lately?

FM Longo
10-17-2014, 01:27 AM
Yes - I have a story in their January Fantasy anthology.

So far, in the last year, my experience with Xchyler has been fantastic. The editors are knowledgeable and informative. Management takes the time to answer any questions I have. And most importantly, I get my royalty checks on time.

aliceshortcake
10-17-2014, 12:20 PM
An amusing coincidence: Xchyler's anthology Legends and Lore contains a story by Danielle E Shipley entitled Two Spoons. Followers of the Firefly and Wisp debacle may remember that in 2011 Danielle Zwissler claimed that she had turned a novel with the same title, written in collaboration with her husband, into a screenplay in which the Lifetime Movie Network had shown an interest. Had Zwissler submitted to Xchyler under a different name? No - Danielle E Shipley's Amazon author page reveals her to be a different person.

Old Hack
10-17-2014, 03:24 PM
Yes - I have a story in their January Fantasy anthology.

So far, in the last year, my experience with Xchyler has been fantastic. The editors are knowledgeable and informative. Management takes the time to answer any questions I have. And most importantly, I get my royalty checks on time.

I'm glad you've found publishing with them to be a positive experience.

How many copies have you sold, if you don't mind me asking?

FM Longo
10-31-2014, 07:05 PM
I don't check here often, so sorry it took a while to respond.

A couple of hundred, split between trade size softcover and e-book. I don't have a breakdown of Kindle/Nook sales. Xchyler ran a promotion in October, bringing my book to #4 on the anthology list. I don't have numbers as to sales, yet.

As a side note, all six Xchyler anthologies were in the top 10 on that list for most of the promotion, including the #1 spot.

Hope this is helpful.

Jrubas
11-11-2014, 07:25 PM
Circa 2012, Danielle was saying that Lifetime wasn't interested...they were actually MAKING the movie.



An amusing coincidence: Xchyler's anthology Legends and Lore contains a story by Danielle E Shipley entitled Two Spoons. Followers of the Firefly and Wisp debacle may remember that in 2011 Danielle Zwissler claimed that she had turned a novel with the same title, written in collaboration with her husband, into a screenplay in which the Lifetime Movie Network had shown an interest. Had Zwissler submitted to Xchyler under a different name? No - Danielle E Shipley's Amazon author page reveals her to be a different person.

Sheryl Nantus
11-11-2014, 07:36 PM
I don't check here often, so sorry it took a while to respond.

A couple of hundred, split between trade size softcover and e-book. I don't have a breakdown of Kindle/Nook sales. Xchyler ran a promotion in October, bringing my book to #4 on the anthology list. I don't have numbers as to sales, yet.

As a side note, all six Xchyler anthologies were in the top 10 on that list for most of the promotion, including the #1 spot.

Hope this is helpful.

Unfortunately it's impossible to judge much of anything from Amazon sales ranks.

I hope you'll have some sales numbers soon to let you know exactly how successful your efforts have been.

aliceshortcake
11-11-2014, 07:51 PM
Circa 2012, Danielle was saying that Lifetime wasn't interested...they were actually MAKING the movie.

That doesn't surprise me at all. By the way, Jrubas, it's nice to have you back after the F&W debacle!

Jrubas
05-07-2015, 11:22 PM
That doesn't surprise me at all. By the way, Jrubas, it's nice to have you back after the F&W debacle!


Thanks. Sorry about the lag. I'm awful at social media.

I don't wanna drag up the past. All of us at FAW and Xchyler wound up looking stupid. But I feel like I should say one thing: The reason I got booted from beta reading at Xychler is this: They sent me a manuscript. I read it, fixed a few minor errors I saw, and sent it back with my overall impression, which wasn't good. It was a poorly written story. Turns it, out was by Carrie or Mary or somebody's friend, and they didn't take too kindly to me not fawning all over it. They also demonstrated a complete misunderstanding of what a beta reader actually does. It’s always been my experience that a beta reader basically reads a work, and then gives feedback. “Hey, your pacing’s off” and “Hey, that’s a funky analogy on page six...you might wanna change it.” Like I said, I fixed a few minor errors on my end, but I didn’t take the entire thing apart because, you know, that’s the editor’s job.
Therefore, anyone who was listed as a “beta reader” for Xchyler was, in actuality, expected to be a full editing service.


Of course, I can't speak for the company as it stands today (is it still there?), but that was certainly the case in December 2011 and January 2012.

Filigree
05-09-2015, 06:24 AM
Ouch! Yes, I can see why that would be a problem. Another cue that this pub may not have the experience necessary, if they don't know crucial differences between jobs.

Also troubling is the mere hint of preferential treatment for friends-of-owners, if it's not backed up by the same quality standards as regular submissions. Thank you, Jrubas, you've given me another data point for Filigree's Rule.

Jrubas
05-11-2015, 06:07 PM
It was a bad story. Yeah, there were some structural issues, but it was derivative, boring, and funny for all the wrong reasons. Note to beta readers: You're not editors. It's not your job to pull apart a story and build it back up. You can point the writer, publisher, whatever-whatever, in the right direction, but if someone tells you to knock it all down and then start piecing it back together again, tell them to take a long walk off a short pier.