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writerterri
12-10-2005, 06:20 AM
Creativity tied to sexual success

From: Image supplied
From correspondents in New York

December 08, 2005


ARTISTS have a more active love life than most of us with part of the reason being their tendency toward a certain schizophrenia-linked personality trait, a study suggests.

In a survey of 425 British adults, researchers found serious poets and visual artists generally had more sexual partners than those who were either not artistic or only dabbled in the arts.

Further analysis showed one personality dimension, a tendency toward unusual thoughts and perceptions, was related to both creativity and sexual success.

That tendency was also seen in people with schizophrenia.

The findings, according to the study authors, may help explain why schizophrenia - a mental disorder that often runs in families - has not been extinguished from the gene pool.

Certain schizophrenia-related personality traits, they speculate, may confer benefits when they are not part of a mental illness.

For example, when the traits instead spur creativity, they may offer a mating advantage, according to the researchers led by Daniel Nettle, a psychologist at the University of Newcastle.

He and colleague Helen Keenoo reported their findings in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society.

Artists, from 18th century poets to 21st century musicians, have a well-earned reputation for leading busy romantic lives.

But until now, there had never been a systematic comparison to document the phenomenon, Mr Nettle said.

Studies have shown creative types have higher than average rates of schizophrenia in their families, and the creative types themselves might have a heightened tendency toward schizophrenia-like traits.

Schizophrenia has a strong genetic component and people with the disorder suffer poorer overall health and a lower likelihood of having children.

However, these factors had not reduced the traits that predisposed people to schizophrenia.

Some researchers speculated the link between schizophrenic traits and creativity - a positive effect - could be one reason.

In the new study, participants disclosed the number of sexual partners they'd had as adults and answered questions gauging four schizophrenia-related personality dimensions.

One was the tendency toward unusual experiences, defined as atypical thoughts or perceptions, or magical thinking. This trait, the study found, was more common in serious artists and those who have had more sexual partners. The findings, according to Mr Nettle, suggested unusual thinking and perceptions when operating in a healthy person spurred creativity and, in turn, may make a person more attractive.


Original article (http://news.com.au/)


Hmmmm

Very interesting *raises eyebrow*

There must be a lot of busy people here at AW. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_3_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS) And if some of us aren't successful in one way, it must be the other. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_16.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS)

brokenfingers
12-10-2005, 06:21 AM
Thank you, writerterri.

I am validated.

Sage
12-10-2005, 06:33 AM
Is that saying we have better sex lives, or we're schitzophrenic ;) ?

I must be the latter... <sighs>

brokenfingers
12-10-2005, 06:34 AM
I took it to mean both, hence I am doubly validated.

tiny
12-10-2005, 06:36 AM
Now I have an excuse, finally. I'm not a slut, I'm creative, in a fun and sharing way.

Cabinscribe
12-10-2005, 06:37 AM
There must be a lot of busy people here at AW. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_3_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS) And if some of us aren't successful in one way, it must be the other. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_16.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS)

In my case, I know that since it's not one, it's definitely the other!
;)

mkcbunny
12-10-2005, 07:04 AM
This explains a lot.

rtilryarms
12-10-2005, 07:59 AM
I am doomed!

P.H.Delarran
12-10-2005, 08:24 AM
I only wish my creative life were as productive as my.....oh never mind..

mdin
12-10-2005, 08:32 AM
I'm going to start offering free creativity lessons.

My-Immortal
12-10-2005, 08:34 AM
There must be a lot of busy people here at AW. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_3_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS) And if some of us aren't successful in one way, it must be the other. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_16.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS)

Ahhhh...so THAT explains the rejection letters. ;) I feel so much better about myself now.

Interesting story Terri - did you search for that article?

Take care all - and good luck in EITHER of your pursuits... lol

Shadow_Ferret
12-10-2005, 08:42 AM
Dang it, but it's only poets and artists! :(

Optimus
12-10-2005, 09:03 AM
Perhaps those people with more schizophrenic traits just have looser morals and problems with impulse control?

My-Immortal
12-10-2005, 09:50 AM
Perhaps those people with more schizophrenic traits just have looser morals and problems with impulse control?

And...do you resemble that remark? :)

writerterri
12-10-2005, 10:26 AM
Ahhhh...so THAT explains the rejection letters. ;) I feel so much better about myself now.

Interesting story Terri - did you search for that article?

Take care all - and good luck in EITHER of your pursuits... lol


No way! These types of articles flood my e-mails as thank you notes! *Great big teethy-cheesy grin*

My new nick name is, Tezza!

Optimus
12-10-2005, 11:03 AM
And...do you resemble that remark? :)
No, I have looser bowels and problems with bladder control.

aspier
12-10-2005, 12:18 PM
ARTISTS have a more active love life than most of us with part of the reason being their tendency toward a certain schizophrenia-linked personality trait, a study suggests.

True ... but then again they only write (poets now) when they don't get 'it'! The less the get 'it' the better their work becomes! Just look at mine for example! Jesus, my work is gooooooooood! Lately...

http://users.skynet.be/spier/argoboatindex.htm

Look at it!

aspier

Celia Cyanide
12-10-2005, 12:22 PM
There must be a lot of busy people here at AW. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_3_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS) And if some of us aren't successful in one way, it must be the other. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_16.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS)

But do we only get one? Does this mean I'll never be published? :)

Richard
12-10-2005, 03:04 PM
"She's not a prostitute, she's a Creativity Counsellor."

StoryG27
12-10-2005, 05:04 PM
Further analysis showed one personality dimension, a tendency toward unusual thoughts and perceptions, was related to both creativity and sexual success. Things that make you go, "Hmmmm." No schizophrenics in my gene pool that I know of. But honestly there are some mental, emotional disorders. I wonder if simply being raised with crazy people (when I say my family is insane, I'm soooo not joking) can nurture the tendency toward 'unusual thoughts and perceptions.' I know with Hubby, we have amazing...well, anyway, you get the picture.

Studies have shown creative types have higher than average rates of schizophrenia in their families, and the creative types themselves might have a heightened tendency toward schizophrenia-like traits. See, we're not all schizophrenic, we just have schizophrenia-like traits. We don't actually have a mental disorder. We just act like we do. :D


The findings, according to Mr Nettle, suggested unusual thinking and perceptions when operating in a healthy person spurred creativity and, in turn, may make a person more attractive. Phew...you healthy people with these tendencies can all rest easy, as for the rest of us...we're screwed.

Thanks for this article Terri. I had a blast reading it, and please everyone, don't take any of my comments too seriously.

Carole
12-10-2005, 05:21 PM
Ok, I'm confused. Creativity and Sexual success = multiple sexual partners? That's just weird.

scarletpeaches
12-10-2005, 05:41 PM
Okay, I might be a bit weird in the head but loads of men are supposed to want to sleep with me?

"You want me...I am a writer..."

Nope? Oh well, I guess I'll just have to control myself until I meet someone special, which was my plan anyway! :)

Richard
12-10-2005, 05:44 PM
(Oh, god, I apologise for this one already.)

"I'm a writer, and you'd better believe the penis mightier than the sword."

Carole
12-10-2005, 06:36 PM
the penis mightier than the sword."


.....http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_11_1.gif

three seven
12-10-2005, 06:49 PM
Now there's news. Why do you think I went to film school?

aruna
12-10-2005, 07:16 PM
Now where did I leave my hooker boots and red lingerie....

PeeDee
12-10-2005, 10:11 PM
CONNERY: I'm gonna hafta ask ye' about the penis mightier, Trebec.

TREBEC, horrified: That's the pen is mightier

CONNERY: That's not whatcher mother said, Trebec *snigger*

(weren't the old Jeopardy skits on SNL hilarious?)

And as to the original article, what can I say? It's a gift, and a curse.

reph
12-10-2005, 11:33 PM
Okay, I think I know what they mean, but I don't like to see promiscuity called sexual "success."

Carole
12-11-2005, 12:36 AM
I don't like to see promiscuity called sexual "success."
That's what I meant, too.

PeeDee
12-11-2005, 12:40 AM
I don't especially, either. I think it's an article that's probably just better to take with tongue in cheek, though I don't think it was written to be taken as such.

Maryn
12-11-2005, 02:58 AM
Reliable sources tell me that when a person has a great many partners, although they do trot out their bag of tricks in that initial show-off meeting, they never stay with one lover long enough to have to, how to phrase this, 'improve or expand their skill set'?

I mean, the new-lover factor is huge, and exciting all by itself, but show me a person who can make his or her partner eager for a rousing game of kissy face ten years in, or forty, and now you're talking "sexual success."

Maryn, wearing all the wrong lingerie for Saturday night

Carole
12-11-2005, 03:18 AM
show me a person who can make his or her partner eager for a rousing game of kissy face ten years in, or forty, and now you're talking "sexual success."

8 years...almost nine. I just had a particularly naughty phone call with hubby. *grin* It just gets better all the time~


Maryn, wearing all the wrong lingerie for Saturday night

Don't feel bad. I am wearing flannel jammies. Hubby is out of town, though.

Celia Cyanide
12-11-2005, 04:30 AM
I mean, the new-lover factor is huge, and exciting all by itself, but show me a person who can make his or her partner eager for a rousing game of kissy face ten years in, or forty, and now you're talking "sexual success.

Yeah, that article had a pretty narrow definition of "sexual success." Still, yours is different from mine. To each her own. :)

Lantern Jack
12-11-2005, 09:18 AM
I'm an asexual who hasn't had so much as a sexual thought in years. How does that fit into the equation?

aruna
12-11-2005, 11:10 AM
I'm an asexual who hasn't had so much as a sexual thought in years. How does that fit into the equation?

We're two of a kind, then.... what I found was the moment I started writing "that" began to dwindle and finally disappeared. As if it's just one energy, and it decided to go into writing. So I may be be the exception that proves the rule???

aruna
12-11-2005, 11:10 AM
Okay, I think I know what they mean, but I don't like to see promiscuity called sexual "success."

I was just kidding, reph.... I don't think so either; far from it!

writerterri
11-04-2006, 10:25 PM
I thought I'd revise this for the new people this year. I'd love to see how some respond to this one. Come on make me laugh. I need to laugh. I'm feeling down.

dclary
11-04-2006, 10:33 PM
Now I'm feeling creepy that I write for myself...

TrainofThought
11-04-2006, 10:35 PM
Thanks, now Iím feeling down. I am more confused now than before reading this post. I guess I will use my original diagnosis - Royally Screwed Up (no pun intended).

SpookyWriter
11-04-2006, 10:38 PM
Now I'm feeling creepy that I write for myself......just go take a cold shower and pump out another short story later. :D

writerterri
11-04-2006, 10:39 PM
...just go take a cold shower and pump out another short story later. :D


I got that one! Ewww! Wash it off!

SpookyWriter
11-04-2006, 10:43 PM
I got that one! Ewww! Wash it off!Change hands so you'll have a different partner everyday. :tongue

writerterri
11-04-2006, 10:58 PM
Change hands so you'll have a different partner everyday. :tongue



If you do it with yourself, does that make you gay?

SpookyWriter
11-04-2006, 11:06 PM
If you do it with yourself, does that make you gay?I wouldn't know since my plumbing is all glogged up. :)

Serenity
11-04-2006, 11:11 PM
Oh my God. I want to forget I've read this thread, but I just... CAN'T!

writerterri
11-04-2006, 11:35 PM
I wouldn't know since my plumbing is all glogged up. :)



http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/14/14_6_5.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYYYUS)Need a plunger?

TeddyG
11-05-2006, 12:00 AM
Only Terri would come up with this...how did I miss the original posting? :D

Actually, in all damn seriousness, (cause I am in a serious mood today), I think this explains a great deal about things. I dislike easy answers to difficult subjects, but they actually may have something there.

It is very true that libido is a very individual thing and is determined by moods, chemistry and inner hormones and chemistry.

I have absolutely no clue if the "creative" desire in some of us is in the gene pool or not; nor can I say if it comes from being learned; nor can I say if it is just one of those things that some people are born with - but creative people are usually "different" in a way than the normal populace. So it does not surprise me in the least that there would be a connection between libido and creativity.

Who knows? Maybe some are just more in tune with themselves, or willing to allow more force to their own inner yearnings and cravings. Or perhaps they are more in touch with their "emotional" side. I have no clue.

What I certainly would not doubt is the supposition of the article. I think it is probably very true in many cases.

Write_At_1st_Light
11-05-2006, 12:31 AM
Thank God I can blame this on a disease, this has been worrying himself for as long as we can remember. Pills? Oh thanks doc, sure nuff, ourselves will take them religiously to counter this disturbing side effect. What pills? Oh, there they are, sorry doc of course I wouldn't leave without them, wanna get cured, you know?

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:27 AM
This explains why I'm so damn prolific.

It may also explain why Carrie and I are collaberating. But don't tell anyone. :D

Haggis
11-05-2006, 01:33 AM
This explains why I'm so damn prolific.

It may also explain why Carrie and I are collaberating. But don't tell anyone. :D

*note to Mrs. PeeDee: I am keeping close watch, but I see nothing yet that we can use in court. Please forward balance of retainer at your earliest convenience*

Godfather
11-05-2006, 01:33 AM
you've got to be kidding me.


i mean, damn.


i must not count as artist then

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:33 AM
It's so cute when little dogs try to get to my wife, past my four cats.

I was wondering why they didn't seem very hungry this evening.

Carrie in PA
11-05-2006, 01:34 AM
:D

Noooooo comment.

:e2seesaw: :e2brows:

Haggis
11-05-2006, 01:35 AM
It's so cute when little dogs try to get to my wife, past my four cats.

I was wondering why they didn't seem very hungry this evening.

*note to Mrs. PeeDee: Oh, by the way, sorry about those cats. I suppose you can always get new ones if youwant.*

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:36 AM
:D

Noooooo comment.

:e2seesaw: :e2brows:

Oh! RIght, sorry, I'll keep it quiet.

Carrie in PA
11-05-2006, 01:38 AM
Oh! RIght, sorry, I'll keep it quiet.

Geez, you go blabbing after all that bs of having me sign a confidentiality agreement??

*sigh* You're lucky I like stretchy pants. :D

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:39 AM
Oooooooh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay....

http://shelleyness.shelleyandmatt.com/archived/2000%20images/279_gpp_lumberjack.jpg

Carrie in PA
11-05-2006, 01:40 AM
Oooooooh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay....

WTF? I thought those pictures were going to be private????!!!!

Haggis
11-05-2006, 01:41 AM
*sigh* You're lucky I like stretchy pants. :D

*note to Mrs. PeeDee: The stretchy pants thingy might be useful.*

Haggis
11-05-2006, 01:41 AM
WTF? I thought those pictures were going to be private????!!!!

*Note to Mrs. PeeDee: Apparently, there have been some discussions about PeeDee's privates.*

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:42 AM
MRS PEEDEE: Haggis, the terms of the restraining order demand that you stop talking to me.

And Carrie...relax....I think one picture of each of us is probably okay online. As soon as I find a photo of me, I promise I'll put it up too, kay? Don't worry.

Carrie in PA
11-05-2006, 01:44 AM
MRS PEEDEE: Haggis, the terms of the restraining order demand that you stop talking to me.

And Carrie...relax....I think one picture of each of us is probably okay online. As soon as I find a photo of me, I promise I'll put it up too, kay? Don't worry.

:roll: :roll: I got it handled, babe...

http://www.commercialcloset.org/images/data/COMCLOSET_PICS/picture/7131.JPG

Haggis
11-05-2006, 01:45 AM
MRS PEEDEE: Haggis, the terms of the restraining order demand that you stop talking to me.



*note to Mrs. PeeDee: Ooooh. Gotcha. ;) *

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:46 AM
Hm. That picture makes me look a little overweight.

Carrie in PA
11-05-2006, 01:47 AM
It's just the angle, I'm sure. You looked fine.

Haggis
11-05-2006, 01:48 AM
*takes notes: Bare-chested, come-hither smile...*

Carrie in PA
11-05-2006, 01:49 AM
*takes notes: Bare-chested, come-hither smile...*

Just don't try the "I promise, Baby, no one will ever see these but us." I sure as hell won't fall for that one again.

:roll:

Haggis
11-05-2006, 01:50 AM
*takes notes: Calls him 'baby.'*

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:53 AM
Just don't try the "I promise, Baby, no one will ever see these but us." I sure as hell won't fall for that one again.


Like anyone's even reading this thread except for that damn silly dog, and he's just licking his crotch.

Sheesh. Keep this up, I'm going to write Christmas stories with someone else!

*sob; sniffle*

Haggis
11-05-2006, 01:54 AM
*Note to Mrs. PeeDee, to be delivered via underground courier: Balance of retainer not received. I'm sorry, but I must curtail my surveillance until your payments are up to date. I'm sure you understand.*

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:54 AM
underground courier? How'd you know I kept her in the basement?

Carrie in PA
11-05-2006, 01:55 AM
Sheesh. Keep this up, I'm going to write Christmas stories with someone else!

Pfffft. Like I believe that one! :D

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 01:58 AM
*sigh* I said it with a straight face and everything.

billythrilly7th
11-05-2006, 02:05 AM
Perhaps those people with more schizophrenic traits just have looser morals and problems with impulse control?

Hi, Opti!

Welcome back!! Great to see you posting again!

:D

writerterri
11-05-2006, 02:28 AM
Oooooooh, I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay....

http://shelleyness.shelleyandmatt.com/archived/2000%20images/279_gpp_lumberjack.jpg

That's so gay.

PeeDee
11-05-2006, 02:33 AM
I think that's a little hurtful. It was a Christmas present outfit, after all. I looked for a long time to find it.

writerterri
11-05-2006, 02:34 AM
Hi, Opti!

Welcome back!! Great to see you posting again!

:D

Oh, you found him? As soon as you're done with him could you escort him out?

Thank you.

writerterri
11-05-2006, 02:35 AM
I think that's a little hurtful. It was a Christmas present outfit, after all. I looked for a long time to find it.

Was that directed toward me, cause we started a new page and moved on already.

CBeasy
11-05-2006, 07:52 AM
Jeez Carrie and Pete, we can't take you guys anywhere anymore!

I think this article may be a bit dubious, since it was obviously written by a writer, which is of course an artist. I'm willing to let that slide, however, since it makes me feel slightly better about myself.

Jongfan
11-05-2006, 09:54 AM
Creativity tied to sexual success

From: Image supplied
From correspondents in New York

December 08, 2005


ARTISTS have a more active love life than most of us with part of the reason being their tendency toward a certain schizophrenia-linked personality trait, a study suggests.

In a survey of 425 British adults, researchers found serious poets and visual artists generally had more sexual partners than those who were either not artistic or only dabbled in the arts.

Further analysis showed one personality dimension, a tendency toward unusual thoughts and perceptions, was related to both creativity and sexual success.

That tendency was also seen in people with schizophrenia.

The findings, according to the study authors, may help explain why schizophrenia - a mental disorder that often runs in families - has not been extinguished from the gene pool.

Certain schizophrenia-related personality traits, they speculate, may confer benefits when they are not part of a mental illness.

For example, when the traits instead spur creativity, they may offer a mating advantage, according to the researchers led by Daniel Nettle, a psychologist at the University of Newcastle.

He and colleague Helen Keenoo reported their findings in the journal Proceedings of the Royal Society.

Artists, from 18th century poets to 21st century musicians, have a well-earned reputation for leading busy romantic lives.

But until now, there had never been a systematic comparison to document the phenomenon, Mr Nettle said.

Studies have shown creative types have higher than average rates of schizophrenia in their families, and the creative types themselves might have a heightened tendency toward schizophrenia-like traits.

Schizophrenia has a strong genetic component and people with the disorder suffer poorer overall health and a lower likelihood of having children.

However, these factors had not reduced the traits that predisposed people to schizophrenia.

Some researchers speculated the link between schizophrenic traits and creativity - a positive effect - could be one reason.

In the new study, participants disclosed the number of sexual partners they'd had as adults and answered questions gauging four schizophrenia-related personality dimensions.

One was the tendency toward unusual experiences, defined as atypical thoughts or perceptions, or magical thinking. This trait, the study found, was more common in serious artists and those who have had more sexual partners. The findings, according to Mr Nettle, suggested unusual thinking and perceptions when operating in a healthy person spurred creativity and, in turn, may make a person more attractive.


Original article (http://news.com.au/)


Hmmmm

Very interesting *raises eyebrow*

There must be a lot of busy people here at AW. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_3_6.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS) And if some of us aren't successful in one way, it must be the other. http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/29/29_1_16.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZUxdm080YYUS)

If only we could stop using schizophrenia and replace it with eccentric.. and maybe, just maybe this would work vice versa as well... because of the capabilities in the "arts" they were more open to their sexuality... hmmm just a theory.

oswann
11-05-2006, 09:55 AM
It's bollocks.


Os.

Lyra Jean
11-05-2006, 10:08 AM
I knew I wasn't normal.

aruna
11-05-2006, 10:27 AM
It's bollocks.


Os.

Of course it's bollocks, I can equally find studies that link creativity to celibacy. It's an entirely individual thing. People find studies to support whatever they themselves are.

Misty_Blue
11-05-2006, 10:28 AM
Its not true. I have been a singer most of my life and now a writer and well erm..... its not true....http://absolutewrite.com/forums/images/icons/icon11.gif

oswann
11-05-2006, 11:11 AM
Of course it's bollocks, I can equally find studies that link creativity to celibacy. It's an entirely individual thing. People find studies to support whatever they themselves are.

That's what I meant to say:)


Os.