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Shinzy00
11-28-2011, 05:32 PM
I came across a new publisher who look like there set to go global. They're called Centrinian Publishing.

Their website: http://www.centrinian.com

Don't know if they're accepting submissions as I haven't inquired.

Their book trailer is very impressive.

Shinzy00
11-28-2011, 05:48 PM
There's a new publisher in town. They're called Centrinian Publishing Ltd.

You should check out their site and video trailer. It's good stuff.

http://www.centrinian.com

MUST SEE!!!

Barbara R.
11-28-2011, 06:46 PM
A one-book publisher? Are you sure it's not a front for someone who's self-publishing?

Shinzy00
11-28-2011, 06:55 PM
I don't know, it could be, but I was pretty impressed by the websites and the trailer, especially the book trailer. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm always excited about a new publisher.

Torgo
11-28-2011, 07:05 PM
A one-book publisher? Are you sure it's not a front for someone who's self-publishing?

It's owned by Mr Sheldon and Miss Sheneise Stone, who live at the same address, so I'm assuming that Alecia Stone (the only author at present) is somehow related. So basically, yes, it looks like a publisher that initially at least exists to publish a single book.

I'd be a bit put off by the spelling mistakes in the ABOUT US page ('bringing fourth', 'specailises') as well...

CaoPaux
11-28-2011, 07:10 PM
Uh huh, yeah, right. Merging threads into BR&BC.

Shinzy00
11-28-2011, 07:41 PM
I know what you're saying but if they had anything to hide surely their information wouldn't be listed for all to see. It seems very professional and when I contacted them, they told me they weren't accepting submissions until next year. So maybe they're just trying to establish themselves.

Either way, I'll keep a lookout.

Barbara R.
11-28-2011, 07:42 PM
What's BR & BC?

Shinzy00
11-28-2011, 07:44 PM
I was wondering that, but I guess it's Bewares, Recommendations & Background Check (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22)

This seems a little harsh considering the company seem very professional. They might have one book but it's listed on all major sites for Pre-Order. Seems ligit to me.

Torgo
11-28-2011, 07:57 PM
I know what you're saying but if they had anything to hide surely their information wouldn't be listed for all to see. It seems very professional and when I contacted them, they told me they weren't accepting submissions until next year. So maybe they're just trying to establish themselves.

Either way, I'll keep a lookout.

I'm sure there's nothing to 'hide', exactly, but it doesn't seem all that professional to me - typos on the website, for example. I wouldn't want to sign my publishing rights over to them until I've seen how their one book goes and been reassured that I was dealing with literate publishing professionals and not, say, a random author's Mum and Dad.

Having stuff available for pre-order on retailer sites means nothing - just means you've got yourself an ISBN.

By all means check them out but I recommend erring on the side of caution.

Shinzy00
11-28-2011, 08:07 PM
It's always good to be aware but I think it's only fair to give them a chance to prove themselve before slandering them. Since they're not accepting submissions, there's nothing really to be aware of right now. We'll see how their title progresses.

aliceshortcake
11-28-2011, 08:10 PM
I came across a new publisher who look like there set to go global. They're called Centrinian Publishing.

Their website: http://www.centrinian.com

Don't know if they're accepting submissions as I haven't inquired.

Their book trailer is very impressive.

My goodness, Shinzy, you're awfully excited about Centrinian Publishing. Are you by any chance the owner or an employee of the company? I can see no indication that Centrinian is "set to go global", although I'd be impressed if they can actually get their books into "a bookshop near you", as they claim.

Yes, the book trailer is quite impressive. Unfortunately, trailers for books by unknown authors don't sell books; unless Centrinian intends to actively market Talisman of El the only people who know the trailer exists will be Alecia Stone's family and friends.

Momento Mori
11-28-2011, 08:14 PM
HI, Shinzy, and welcome to AW.


Shinzy:
This seems a little harsh considering the company seem very professional. They might have one book but it's listed on all major sites for Pre-Order. Seems ligit to me.

This Forum is for sharing any information about publishers, agents and other book service providers. It's not an indictment on the publisher (if you check out the index, you'll find plenty of perfectly legitimate publishers, agents and other providers on here), but rather a way of asking questions.

Can I ask how you found out about Centrinian given that they do appear to be set up as a self-publishing outfit first and foremost?

It seems to me that Centrinian are trying to publish well. It's good that they're beginning their marketing prior to their first book's release in May 2012 and that they're already listed on Amazon for hardback and paperback versions. However, I'd point out that hardback books for YA audiences don't tend to do well unless the author is already well known or the publisher is really pushing it and the 9.74 price, although better than a lot of self-published books, is still more than other hardbacks (e.g. I've recently bought David Almond's latest book THE TRUE TALE OF THE MONSTER BILLY DEAN from Amazon for 7.29).

The trailer is certainly very slick, but there are a few things that I'd question about it. For example, they have the caption "Failure is not an option" immediately before the caption "It happens every 26,000 years" and the first time I saw it, I thought they meant that failure happens every 26,000 years.

Then they have the caption: "Only a few ever survive" and "This time ..." then "No-one will", which in addition to being opaque seems to me to be contradictory and confused.

Then there's the fact that although the book isn't available until May 2012, there's already a review up on Goodreads, which would be great except that the review is by "Centrinian", i.e. the publisher and the review doesn't actually tell you anything about the book:


Centrinian's Goodreads Review:
Brilliant read for the present and future generation of teen readers. Mythology at its best. An absolute must read. Full of adrenaline, adventure, magic, mystery and a fantastic plot sure to be a hit.

It's not great advertising for the book and to be honest, they'd be better served getting ARCs out to some of the YA book blogs out there to get some honest feedback rather than reviewing it themselves. It's a classic newbie error.

There's no information on whether the books will be stored within bookstores (note that being available to order from a bookshop is not the same as being available within a bookshop) and there's no information about electronic copies, which is really a must in this day and age.

I'd also be concerned about how the publisher is going to operate with third party authors because the concern is always that the publisher's relatives end up getting priority on marketing and distribution.

Centrinian Publishing Limited is properly incorporated in the UK and has been since 5th August 2011. That's good news and shows they want to do things properly. The bad news is that it looks to me like the company's registered to a residential address and you should check out what the share capital is and its assets because if it goes under, you might not get your money back (it's not uncommon for companies to be set up with only 100 share capital) and you'd have no recourse against the individuals. Plus if it goes under (which many publishers do within the first 2 years of trading), it can take your rights with it. There are many cautionary tales on these boards about people who've been left in limbo by companies going under.

To be honest, I'd recommend to anyone thinking about this publisher to wait for a year in order to get sales figures because that will get you an idea of how effective they are.


Shinzy:
It's always good to be aware but I think it's only fair to give them a chance to prove themselve before slandering them.

Shinzy, you're new here so you should do yourself a favour and go and have a look at the boards and the Newbie guide to see how it all works. Then you should give yourself a quick education on defamation law because if you're going to throw around legal terms it helps to use the right one. For future reference, it's "libel" not "slander". "Libel" is when it's written. "Slander" is when it's spoken. Using the wrong phrase to insult people makes you look like an asshat. Try not to do that.


Shinzy:
Since they're not accepting submissions, there's nothing really to be aware of right now.

So if they're not open to submissions and, apparently won't be until summer 2012, what was your purpose in promoting them on AW? If you're not here in an honest capacity - i.e. you're associated with the company in some way and posting on these boards to promote the book, then there are other ways of doing that. Indeed, there are boards here specifically set up for self-promotion. If you're not going to declare your interest, then you should be prepared for scrutiny and people asking questions. From your behaviour and the wording of your posts I would suggest that you're here to schill the book and to be honest, your snotty attitude hasn't done the book or Centrinian any favours.

MM

aliceshortcake
11-28-2011, 08:30 PM
MM, according to Centrinian's Bookshop page


OUR BOOKS ARE AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE ONLINE OR IN A BOOKSHOP NEAR YOU

I think most people (and most potential authors) will interpret this as meaning that Centrinian books will be on the shelves of your local bookshop.

Shinzy00
11-28-2011, 08:32 PM
You make some good points, Momento. I know they're not accepting submissions, but I was really impressed by what I saw and as an aspiring author, I thought i'd share my excitement. But I'd definitely keep your advice in mind.

JulieB
11-28-2011, 08:33 PM
I just bailed out of a long post because MM put it far better.

I will add one thing. A good rule of thumb is to wait until a publisher has been in business at least a year before you submit. By this point you should be able to see how they promote their authors and distribute their books. There also may be some data points on payment available.

Believe me, we all want to see new publishers succeed. More markets for all of us! Yet, we've seen enough small publishers go under for various reasons such as illness or personal financial difficulties that most of us are wary about submitting to a publisher that isn't established or isn't run by someone with some good industry experience.

This is why we ask questions.

Torgo
11-28-2011, 08:37 PM
Shinzy, I also want to explain why this might seem overly critical to a newcomer. It's simply that publishing, especially at the margins, is infested with sharks and scam artists. So many people want to be published that it's relatively easy for a con artist or an author mill or a vanity press to exploit them, taking large sums of money for no benefit.

You also get people who set themselves up as publishers without having any expertise, and this is a problem because that's the main reason you would go with a publisher in the first place. If your publisher can't competently edit, package or sell your book, you're wasting your rights on them.

I thoroughly agree with you when you say 'let's give them a chance to prove themselves'. Absolutely; everyone has to start somewhere. But there are a certain amount of red flags popping up for me. Let's see how the Talisman book goes.

I also want to explain why we might seem a bit suspicious of your own motives: it's because we've seen, many times, people showing up here to promote their own ventures while claiming to have no connection. I'm sure it's only a coincidence that their approaches always look a lot like yours (even down to the defensive accusation of 'slander' in your most recent post - it's typical of sock-puppetry) but it is somewhat striking.

Shinzy00
11-28-2011, 08:47 PM
Fair enough. I get your point. Having discussions isn't bad, as some things people say keeps you aware of what's going on, so I'll definitely take all the advice on board :)

Momento Mori
11-28-2011, 09:01 PM
aliceshortcake:
I think most people (and most potential authors) will interpret this as meaning that Centrinian books will be on the shelves of your local bookshop.

Agreed, but given that this is a small publisher and bookstores usually want favourable returnability and discounted terms, I would suggest that it's more likely that it means the book is available to order within stores.


Shinzy:
I was really impressed by what I saw and as an aspiring author, I thought i'd share my excitement.

Okay, but as an aspiring author how did you come across the company? To be honest, unless you specifically know about this book in advance it's difficult to just stumble across it. Did someone tell you about them? If so, who told you about them? I'm not trying to trap you - if you found out about them because of some advertising they're doing then that would be good to know because at least it shows that they're serious about alerting the public.

MM

Perks
11-28-2011, 09:07 PM
And if you are affiliated with Centrinian, best be out with it now. If you are, it's fine to come and promote your venture (within AW's guidelines, of course.) We welcome and celebrate quite a few small and start-up presses.

But it's always embarrassing when IP addresses get investigated and a new member gets shown up for staging a "gee whiz, look at this nifty thing I accidentally found!" when they are up to the elbows in the project in question.

I'm sorry if it seems we're casting aspersions. You just have to understand that we've seen it dozens of times and it doesn't end well. If you're part of Centrinian and proud of your new endeavor, let us share in your excitement!

And if you're honestly just an impressed aspiring writer who ran across a new publisher and wanted to share, sorry for the scrutiny. It's not personal. We just see a lot of foolishness here. And it always gets revealed in the end.

Perks
11-28-2011, 09:37 PM
P.S. And if you are part of Centrinian, come on out now and we'll all have a laugh about it and forgive and move on.

Believe me, I can understand the allure of approaching it from an oblique angle. We all can. It's just that the internet isn't as anonymous as it sometimes feels and then sensibilities get ruffled and huffs ensue.

Obviously, if you aren't, ignore this post and forgive me.

Unimportant
11-29-2011, 02:49 AM
You make some good points, Momento. I know they're not accepting submissions, but I was really impressed by what I saw and as an aspiring author, I thought i'd share my excitement. But I'd definitely keep your advice in mind.
It looks as if Alecia's mum and dad are pouring money into self-publishing Alecia's book, and creating a start-up publishing company to do this. That's very nice and supportive of mum and dad. Perhaps, if they put enough money and time and effort into it, and if the book is good, they'll have some success and make a profit. For their sakes, I hope so, though the odds are against it.

But why would any other author get excited about this?

Perks
11-29-2011, 03:01 AM
Oh dear.

Momento Mori
11-29-2011, 03:16 AM
Unimportant:
But why would any other author get excited about this?

I'm more interested in knowing how any other author would know about this company. I find it fascinating that Shinzy keeps refusing to say how they first came to know about such an exciting new publisher.

If you put "Centrinian Publishing" into Google, you get a lot of information about the company but it's 3 pages until you get to their one (and currently only) book. I did find a Twitter account for them here: https://twitter.com/#!/CentrinianBooks but they only have 9 followers, one of whom is the author.

MM

Mac H.
11-29-2011, 03:29 AM
I came across a new publisher who look like there set to go global. They're called Centrinian Publishing.

Their website: http://www.centrinian.com

Don't know if they're accepting submissions as I haven't inquired.Hi Shinzy,

I have some questions:

Do you think that it is incredibly dishonest & unethical for a publisher to go online and pretend to be a disinterested party to drum up publicity?

Do you realise that such behaviour is illegal in the UK?
(See the Directive on Unfair Commercial Practices for details)

Do you think a publisher who resorts to something like that should be trusted?

Do you think that it is odd that you happened to choose exactly the same user name 'Shinzy' as Sheneise Stone uses on other sites? Example here (http://www.authonomy.com/mymessages.aspx?pg=7&userid=ab8b9917-c42c-47cc-a270-8434c23a2dd3).

Why is honesty too much to expect ?

Mac

Perks
11-29-2011, 04:23 AM
And again I say, "Oh dear."

Well, at least we all know our bullshit detectors are working.

AphraB
11-29-2011, 04:37 AM
Fast work! Not being sarcastic -- I'm just amazed at how fast the cloaked attempt at self-promotion was discovered.=8^0 You guys are like the gunslinger who blows the smoke away from the end of his pistol before he holsters it!

Unimportant
11-29-2011, 04:42 AM
Yes, it appears that Shinzy (http://www.bookemon.com/member-home/shinzy/23894) = Alecia Stone (http://www.bookemon.com/member-profile/23894)= Sheneise Stone (http://www.goodreads.com/group/comments/233._POETRY_?user_id=2730512-alecia). The benefit of the doubt ends where disingenous outright lies begin.

Barbara R.
11-29-2011, 05:28 AM
Okay, I think we've got the picture--good detective work, but no need to pile on.

Unimportant
11-29-2011, 05:45 AM
My apologies. Any of the mods are free to edit/delete my post if they feel I've "piled on" to excess.

Perks
11-29-2011, 05:48 AM
Okay, I think we've got the picture--good detective work, but no need to pile on.Maybe, maybe not. It's tiresome to have a transparent (and goofy, not to mention unnecessary) ruse shoved under our noses and then a huffy call of "slander!" when we're not compliant gulla-bulls.

She bought and paid for a small pile on. We just want to make sure she gets her money's worth.

For my part, if Shenzy were to come back and offer apologies and join the community, I'd be happy to welcome her back as her real self, a self-publisher with high hopes, one among many here.

If she slinks off without another word, then so be it.

Richard White
11-29-2011, 05:57 AM
I'd like to think if I was young and had a book coming out (even self-published), I'd be all cool and suave and debonair about it. But, probably not.

Seriously, Alecia, come on back. Let's move this down to the proper forum with the proper write-up and get things going. There's a lot you can learn from this site. Lot's of self-publishers here who can help you with ideas on marketing, promotion, etc. as well as great threads on writing so you (and me and the rest of us) can keep improving our writing.

Trust me, making a mistake because you're excited isn't the end of the world. However, fessing up and taking your lumps is going to work out a lot better for you than sulking off in the shadows.

Besides, if you're gonna put your words out there for the public to see, you better develop a severe case of Rhino Hide or it's not gonna be fun. If you can't take critique, you chose the wrong profession to go into. *grin*

aliceshortcake
11-29-2011, 04:00 PM
Yes, it appears that Shinzy (http://www.bookemon.com/member-home/shinzy/23894) = Alecia Stone (http://www.bookemon.com/member-profile/23894)= Sheneise Stone (http://www.goodreads.com/group/comments/233._POETRY_?user_id=2730512-alecia). The benefit of the doubt ends where disingenous outright lies begin.

Aha! All three accounts have now been deleted.

It was unfortunate that Shinzy didn't spend a couple of hours browsing in this part of the forum - she would have discovered what always happens when an author/publisher pretends to be a disinterested third party. And if the excerpt from Talisman of El is typical of the whole book, it's quite readable apart from a clumsily phrased opening sentence. I sincerely wish the author the best of luck with her book.

Little Ming
11-29-2011, 11:03 PM
Just in case.


I came across a new publisher who look like there set to go global. They're called Centrinian Publishing.

Their website: http://www.centrinian.com

Don't know if they're accepting submissions as I haven't inquired.

Their book trailer is very impressive.


There's a new publisher in town. They're called Centrinian Publishing Ltd.

You should check out their site and video trailer. It's good stuff.

http://www.centrinian.com

MUST SEE!!!


I don't know, it could be, but I was pretty impressed by the websites and the trailer, especially the book trailer. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm always excited about a new publisher.


I know what you're saying but if they had anything to hide surely their information wouldn't be listed for all to see. It seems very professional and when I contacted them, they told me they weren't accepting submissions until next year. So maybe they're just trying to establish themselves.

Either way, I'll keep a lookout.


I was wondering that, but I guess it's Bewares, Recommendations & Background Check (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=22)

This seems a little harsh considering the company seem very professional. They might have one book but it's listed on all major sites for Pre-Order. Seems ligit to me.


It's always good to be aware but I think it's only fair to give them a chance to prove themselve before slandering them. Since they're not accepting submissions, there's nothing really to be aware of right now. We'll see how their title progresses.


You make some good points, Momento. I know they're not accepting submissions, but I was really impressed by what I saw and as an aspiring author, I thought i'd share my excitement. But I'd definitely keep your advice in mind.


Fair enough. I get your point. Having discussions isn't bad, as some things people say keeps you aware of what's going on, so I'll definitely take all the advice on board :)

Carry on.

Terie
11-29-2011, 11:13 PM
Yes, it appears that Shinzy (http://www.bookemon.com/member-home/shinzy/23894) = Alecia Stone (http://www.bookemon.com/member-profile/23894)= Sheneise Stone (http://www.goodreads.com/group/comments/233._POETRY_?user_id=2730512-alecia). The benefit of the doubt ends where disingenous outright lies begin.

Aha! All three accounts have now been deleted.

It was unfortunate that Shinzy didn't spend a couple of hours browsing in this part of the forum - she would have discovered what always happens when an author/publisher pretends to be a disinterested third party.

In these days of Google, evidence is always left behind.

http://www.teriegarrison.com/photos2011/shinzy1.gif

http://www.teriegarrison.com/photos2011/shinzy02.gif

aliceshortcake
11-30-2011, 12:25 AM
Everybody should expect the Google inquisition!

Perks
11-30-2011, 01:08 AM
Everybody should expect the Google inquisition!
Lol! Perfection. And I shall steal and keep it and draw it out as a sword on occasion.

aliceshortcake
11-30-2011, 01:18 AM
Fair enough, but I reserve the right to use it on t-shirts and coffee mugs.

Perks
11-30-2011, 01:19 AM
Fair enough, but I reserve the right to use it on t-shirts and coffee mugs.
I concede.

jaksen
11-30-2011, 02:12 AM
The internet is both very big and very small. At the same time.

Perks
11-30-2011, 02:25 AM
Seriously, I can see why Alecia would see this as possibly a clever approach. I'm sure it's embarrassing to get caught out like this. Honesty really is the best policy.

If you're lurking, just know it's not the worst we've seen. Come on back! We can move on from this. Promise.

IceCreamEmpress
11-30-2011, 02:30 AM
Seriously, I can see why Alecia would see this as possibly a clever approach.

Astroturfing hasn't been a practical idea for at least ten years (whether it was ever a good idea, or a moral idea, is a whole other thread).

Ms. Stone, if someone advised you to do this to publicize your book, they gave you terrible, terrible advice. Now you know, so you can seek other advice. Best of luck with your book, though! You'll get through this--worse things happen at sea.

aliceshortcake
11-30-2011, 02:32 AM
Well said, Perks. It's not the end of the world, Alecia! Just a lesson in dealing with people who know what real publishing is all about. Or, in my case, people who are learning what real publishing is all about.

aliceshortcake
12-07-2011, 05:03 PM
Goodreads has deleted Centrinian's 5-star review of Talisman of El. Yes, children, honesty is always the best policy!

AphraB
12-07-2011, 06:05 PM
Goodreads has deleted Centrinian's 5-star review of Talisman of El. Yes, children, honesty is always the best policy!

Wow! Goodreads does that?

PS: Love how you've decked out Will for the season.

aliceshortcake
12-07-2011, 10:36 PM
Wow! Goodreads does that?

PS: Love how you've decked out Will for the season.

Yep, they will delete posts for various reasons. I think this particular one must have been classified as "irrelevant".

Glad you liked the Bard's festive makeover! I was going to add a big white Santa beard but it just didn't look right...

Chris Graham
04-23-2013, 04:40 PM
What a fascinating, and informative thread. Almost a plot in itself, certainly a short story.
I only looked in because I was checking out Centrinian.... I found their name in an online listing of publishers that take direct submissions.
Unfortunately most of the outfits that I've checked from the list have been less than perfect....mostly new, naive, or very limited in scope..... only one (Olympian) was a disguised vanity publisher that wasn't supposed to be on the list.
Still, from these kinds of things, we gain in knowledge.
Thanks all.

nkkingston
04-23-2013, 06:31 PM
What's the list you're using? Because if the hit rate on it is that bad, it almost needs a beware itself!

Chris Graham
04-23-2013, 11:17 PM
What's the list you're using? Because if the hit rate on it is that bad, it almost needs a beware itself!

'Perfect pitch'.....Brian Groves's site.

Torgo
04-23-2013, 11:24 PM
'Perfect pitch'.....Brian Groves's site.

So I checked that out, and it appears to be selling an infallible query letter for twenty five quid.


Welcome to my site. My name is Brian Grove, and Im a published author. What have I written? Well, well get to that in a minute. First of all let me tell you a bit about this site. OK, whats he selling? (is probably your initial thought). It would be mine too if I were you. Well, I do have something that can help you with approaching book publishers, but you can look at that later if you want.

0_o

nkkingston
04-23-2013, 11:39 PM
Some of Grove's advice is good, if generic. But he's a non-fiction author, so what worked for him won't work for a fiction writer, and he's only had one book published. One datum is not enough to draw conclusions about the whole set from!

The best way to find publishers is the most obvious: go to a bookshop (or amazon, if you're looking for epubs), go to your genre, check out what's there. epubs tend to be more open to unagented submissions than print, but it depends on your genre. Small but high quality publishers sometimes take unagented subs, but if it's a really good place the competition runs very high and the response time can extend into years (Tor.com, I'm thinking of you)

Is there any particular reason you're going direct rather than through an agent? Though agents take a cut of your earnings, your earnings are likely to be far higher with an agent so you'll still see more money overall. If you keep submitting directly to publishers then go looking for an agent, you might find you've burned your bridges for that book.

Chris Graham
04-24-2013, 01:34 AM
Some of Grove's advice is good, if generic. But he's a non-fiction author, so what worked for him won't work for a fiction writer, and he's only had one book published. One datum is not enough to draw conclusions about the whole set from!

The best way to find publishers is the most obvious: go to a bookshop (or amazon, if you're looking for epubs), go to your genre, check out what's there. epubs tend to be more open to unagented submissions than print, but it depends on your genre. Small but high quality publishers sometimes take unagented subs, but if it's a really good place the competition runs very high and the response time can extend into years (Tor.com, I'm thinking of you)

Is there any particular reason you're going direct rather than through an agent? Though agents take a cut of your earnings, your earnings are likely to be far higher with an agent so you'll still see more money overall. If you keep submitting directly to publishers then go looking for an agent, you might find you've burned your bridges for that book.

I was just checking out the list, I hadn't been aware that any serious publishers took direct submissions, except for very specialist houses.
I'm not intending to go down that route yet, I've still got a lot of agencies on my list to try first.
I'm only considering UK agents because my book is set in the UK, apart from a couple of scenes, and some of the references are very much British. The more local (West Country) references would still make sense to a general UK reader, but I'm not sure if the septics would catch on.

I'd prefer to have a good agent handling my book, they know what they're doing....I don't.
I've been sending out submissions since January, so it's still early days really, but no positive responses yet. Some seem to take ages to respond, if at all. Others have rejected within a week...... I'll keep trying for a while, crime fiction's a pretty competitive sector to be trying to sell a book in. I do wonder if the fact that my main 'good guys' are either prostitutes or their punters, with a few exceptions, is putting off agents who are more used to police procedurals or squeaky clean amateur sleuths. Miss Marple, they definitely ain't.

Momento Mori
04-24-2013, 03:20 PM
Hi, Chris, it's more likely that there may be an issue with your query letter and opening chapters. Might be worth putting up your query letter for crit when you hit 50 posts in the relevant forum and/or finding a good crit partner to go through your opening chapters.

MM

Chris Graham
04-24-2013, 06:14 PM
Hi, Chris, it's more likely that there may be an issue with your query letter and opening chapters. Might be worth putting up your query letter for crit when you hit 50 posts in the relevant forum and/or finding a good crit partner to go through your opening chapters.

MM

Cheers, MM, I may well do that. I have already swapped over a couple of scenes in the first chapter that are happening at the same time.
Initially, the story opened with one of the lead characters in a sleazy massage parlour being 'cared for'. I thought it would open the book with a bang.(Pun intended).
Now I've opened with a scene describing a beat up old pickup truck being loaded in a run down warehouse in Nouakchott (Mauritania).
It's got a little more humour in it, and implies that the book isn't primarily about sex. The ordering of these two scenes doesn't affect the storyline in the slightest. One serves to introduce the idea that things are occurring abroad that will become important as the story progresses. The other introduces one of the good guys in a way that doesn't immediately show him in the best light, and has the reader wondering whether he's the criminal or the hero.
I like flawed characters... they're more fun to write.

I always write a fresh query letter, or at least tailor an existing one, to suit a new recipient. I also have various synopses of differing lengths to fit the agencies' varying requirements. Some want a blow by blow detailing of the plot that includes the ending, others want a short overview, and a few just want a jacket blurb.
What did you mean by putting it up for crit after 50 posts?... Is this a facility of the site that I wasn't aware of ?... Mind you, as I've said, all my query letters are different.

CaoPaux
11-10-2013, 05:08 AM
Has put out new editions of ToE, but no sign of anyone/thing else, yet.

ETA: did publish someone else in '16.