An observation I made to my wife about Twilight Eclipse and men with no shirts and wolves

underthecity · Nov 19, 2011

My wife was watching Twilight Eclipse today on cable. She likes the Twilight movies, but has not read the books. I have no interest in either, so I have not seen more than a few seconds of any of the movies.

She pointed out that a lot of the male characters didn't have their shirts on in Eclipse. I said, what about the women? Are there female werewolves, too? She said yes. I said, doesn't it stand to reason that the women--who, when in human form are wearing clothes--would also be topless? I mean, doesn't that make sense?

I also asked if, when they turn into wolves, do they still wear pants? If not, then where are their pants?

And since all their clothes seem to disappear when they change into wolves, why even wear clothes at all in human form? I mean, the men are standing around in blue jeans and no shirts like a bunch of firefighters posing for a calendar, why would they even bother? Since they're all werewolves and vampires, and therefore nonhuman, do they even care about modesty when they're among their own kind?

Is this explained in the book someplace? Maybe near the back?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Paul · Nov 19, 2011

also, how did the Dr Banner/ Incredible Hulk manage to keep his pants onduring the transformation? always.

At least in the TV series.

Not ,that, em... - well basically I just found, well, from a logical point of view - it just seemed.

oh, nevermind.

Chrissy · Nov 19, 2011

Okay fine, I'll bite. They take their clothes off before they change into wolves, unless they have to change in a hurry, in which case their clothes get shredded into tiny little pieces from the "explosion." (Do you realize how silly I feel writing this?)

They're NOT werewolves. They're shape shifters. (Duh.

) They live mostly human lives and only need to use their shape shifting abilities when vampires are around (so they can kill them with their sharp teeth). They have as much modesty as anyone else. Nice try, though with the shirtless woman argument.

Incredible Hulk question? Not a clue. That show is dumb, unlike Twilight :roll:

Paul · Nov 19, 2011

Chrissy said:
Incredible Hulk question? Not a clue. That show is dumb, unlike Twilight

X 2.

Still I do agree the whole shirtless women thing is seriously underdeveloped in Twilight (I would imagine. I could only watch it for 40 seconds or so. Ouch. Strictly for Teens)

Calla Lily · Nov 19, 2011

You people are being unfair. I "watched" the first 2 movies (they were free on a movie channel). With my thumb on the fast-forward button, they were almost bearable.

The first movie had one funny-well acted moment. It did! You might have missed it, so I'll describe it:

When Edward shows up in bio lab and is partnered with Bella, he has this visceral reaction to her scent or whatever--looks like he's gonna puke and moves his chair away from her. She gives him a :Wha:

look and then sniffs her hair in an "I'm sure I showered this morning" movement.

See? That was funny! The movie went rapidly downhill after that, tho.

Shadow_Ferret · Nov 19, 2011

Chrissy said:
Incredible Hulk question? Not a clue. That show is dumb, unlike Twilight

Not really. That show was played with a deep sense of tragedy, that David Banner had to spend every day struggling to keep the monster within contained, hoping to control his anger and emotions lest he turn into the Hulk. The TV show with Bill Bixby focused mostly upon David Banner's struggles as he tried to find a place to fit in as he roamed the country, taking odd jobs, on the run from someone, I can't remember who, a cop or a reporter, so in that regard it had many elements of The Fugitive.

The superhero aspects were downplayed for the humanistic elements. It was a very well written.

D.M.Drake · Nov 19, 2011

callalily61 said:
You people are being unfair. I "watched" the first 2 movies (they were free on a movie channel). With my thumb on the fast-forward button, they were almost bearable.

The first movie had one funny-well acted moment. It did! You might have missed it, so I'll describe it:

When Edward shows up in bio lab and is partnered with Bella, he has this visceral reaction to her scent or whatever--looks like he's gonna puke and moves his chair away from her. She gives him a look and then sniffs her hair in an "I'm sure I showered this morning" movement.

See? That was funny! The movie went rapidly downhill after that, tho.

Agree ^

Victoria · Nov 19, 2011

Shadow_Ferret said:
Not really. That show was played with a deep sense of tragedy, that David Banner had to spend every day struggling to keep the monster within contained, hoping to control his anger and emotions lest he turn into the Hulk. The TV show with Bill Bixby focused mostly upon David Banner's struggles as he tried to find a place to fit in as he roamed the country, taking odd jobs, on the run from someone, I can't remember who, a cop or a reporter, so in that regard it had many elements of The Fugitive.

The superhero aspects were downplayed for the humanistic elements. It was a very well written.

I was pretty young when the show was on tv. It scared me a little, but at the end, when David walked down the road all alone with that song playing...I cried every time. I wanted to be his friend. Yeah, very well written.

CheekyWench · Nov 19, 2011

Yes, it's explained in the books.

LOG · Nov 19, 2011

CheekyWench said:
Yes, it's explained in the books.

She's lying. Just an FYI.

gothicangel · Nov 20, 2011

underthecity said:
I also asked if, when they turn into wolves, do they still
Is this explained in the book someplace? Maybe near the back?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Oestrogen, simple as.

We don't make the rules, we just enjoy them. :evil

Tepelus · Nov 20, 2011

callalily61 said:
You people are being unfair. I "watched" the first 2 movies (they were free on a movie channel). With my thumb on the fast-forward button, they were almost bearable.

The first movie had one funny-well acted moment. It did! You might have missed it, so I'll describe it:

When Edward shows up in bio lab and is partnered with Bella, he has this visceral reaction to her scent or whatever--looks like he's gonna puke and moves his chair away from her. She gives him a look and then sniffs her hair in an "I'm sure I showered this morning" movement.

See? That was funny! The movie went rapidly downhill after that, tho.

I haven't seen the movie, have no interest in doing so, but I know what part you're talking about. Here's a spoof of Buffy VS. Edward, and it has his reaction to Buffy's (Bella's) smell in there, and it made me laugh. Actually, the whole thing made me laugh.

gothicangel · Nov 20, 2011

Tepelus said:
I haven't seen the movie, have no interest in doing so, but I know what part you're talking about. Here's a spoof of Buffy VS. Edward, and it has his reaction to Buffy's (Bella's) smell in there, and it made me laugh. Actually, the whole thing made me laugh.

I've seen that. A must see.

fredXgeorge · Nov 20, 2011

Tepelus said:
I haven't seen the movie, have no interest in doing so, but I know what part you're talking about. Here's a spoof of Buffy VS. Edward, and it has his reaction to Buffy's (Bella's) smell in there, and it made me laugh. Actually, the whole thing made me laugh.

Lol that was great.

The Lonely One · Nov 20, 2011

Because the overlords of cinema aka the MPAA will give them an NC17 that's why.

Probably the honest truth, unfortunately.

Victoria · Nov 20, 2011

Well, if the female shapeshifters wouldn't walk around topless in human form before, why would that change just because they can become wolves? Besides, just because we don't see it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I mean, we don't see Bella wipe her ass, but I bet she does. God, I hope she does...

Atlantis · Nov 20, 2011

The women aren't topless because Twilight is supposed to appeal to women, not men. Thus all the insanely beautiful man flesh. I'm sure in the Twilight universe the women do go topless. They would have no choice because if they are still wearing clothes when they transform their bras and tops would explode. We the audience do not get to see the boobies though because Twilight is all about women drooling over the men and if they showed some bouncing werewolf female boobies that would be considered indecent or something because women should never go topless don't you know.

Smish · Nov 20, 2011

*Shrug* I read the books, though it's been years, and I think I remember Jacob removing his pants and tying them to his leg so he'd have them later.

The werewolves also have extraordinarly high body temperatures for some reason, so they're hot all the time -- another justification for not wearing clothes.

kdesanges · Nov 20, 2011

If I recall correctly, and it's been a while, Jacob mentioned something about this in one of the books. They would turn around and give her privacy when they phased back to human form. Since she was the only girl, the rest of the pack was a little embarrassed for her. I guess it was something they didn't bother to address in the movie.

Satori1977 · Nov 20, 2011

Because the books are YA.

Vince524 · Nov 21, 2011

Paul said:
also, how did the Dr Banner/ Incredible Hulk manage to keep his pants onduring the transformation? always.

At least in the TV series.

Not ,that, em... - well basically I just found, well, from a logical point of view - it just seemed.

oh, nevermind.

Can you imagine Hulk nekkid?

Vince524 · Nov 21, 2011

When I saw the movie this weekend, it starts with a scene of Jacob taking his shirt off. All the girls cheered. Then later Edward undressed and again, the women cheered (Although not as loud!)

Then there's a scene where Bella disrobes. You don't see much, but one lone dude in the audiance let out a deep throated Yeah!

I laughed my ass off!

Tepelus · Nov 21, 2011

That's hilarious!

MrRuff · Nov 27, 2011

The Lonely One said:
Because the overlords of cinema aka the MPAA will give them an NC17 that's why.

Probably the honest truth, unfortunately.

Ironically, not. If they had them nude the whole time, even if they show everything, that would be "natural nudity." At least here in England, the BBFC allows natural nudity in PGs.

They might try and argue it's not natural nudity, though, if it's shown often enough.

Celia Cyanide · Nov 27, 2011

Paul said:
also, how did the Dr Banner/ Incredible Hulk manage to keep his pants onduring the transformation? always.

At least in the TV series.

Not ,that, em... - well basically I just found, well, from a logical point of view - it just seemed.

oh, nevermind.

The creators were like, "Yo, who wants to see that? He has to keep them on!" That's the truth. They knew it wasn't possible, but they didn't want to draw that.

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