Is there a word for the opposite of a goth?

samw11 · Sep 4, 2011

I don't mean 'normal'... I'm looking for a word to specifically describe someone who goes to the kind of nightclubs where they play dance music... maybe goes to music festivals...
Ideally, the kind of people where given large volumes of alcohol and a lot of goths, they might start a fight?

Something an independent observer may use to describe such a fight... "there were lots of [insert word here] and they started a serious fight with the goths in the crowd until the police read the riot act."

Have checked and the only thing I can find are people saying 'normal' something in the urban dictionary that my independent observer definitely would NOT say and a variety of rude words my husband suggested which are not appropriate either!

Cath · Sep 4, 2011

The most likely I can think of in the UK might be chavs.

PrincessofPersia · Sep 4, 2011

I just call them douche bags.

Jessianodel · Sep 4, 2011

^Yeah or "guidos" as you pretty much described Jersey Shore. I don't know if they have anything against goths, but drunk jerks will pick on just about anyone who's different.

FabricatedParadise · Sep 4, 2011

Preps. When I went through the "goth" stage as a teen, our nemeses were the preps.

Is it nemeses? Nemesises? Wait... Nemesi? I give up. The plural of nemesis. There, I'm done.

Canotila · Sep 4, 2011

The only thing I can think of might be preps (preppy), but you probably wouldn't find any at a nightclub where goths hang out. Not all goths belong to the same subculture though. There's a lot of disdain and suspicion among the old school goths who design and make their own clothing toward "baby bats". Basically the kids who go to Hot Topic, blow a couple hundred dollars and have a goth costume to wear out clubbing.

I could maybe see a fight starting between someone accusing a baby bat of being a prep/poser. Or calling someone old school that they didn't like a baby bat and then that person being massively offended. Honestly, goths in general are pretty non confrontational though. That's a big part of the reason for looking unapproachable. Look scary enough and people don't bother you.

samw11 · Sep 4, 2011

Cath said:
The most likely I can think of in the UK might be chavs.

That's probably accurate but am concerned that I may offend people!!!!

Jessianodel - Not heard guidos before? Not watched Jersey Shore either though... is that a US thing or would that still work in the UK?

Princess of Persia - you're not the only one - but again, wary of causing offense!

FabricatedParadise · Sep 4, 2011

Or the jocks.

mirandashell · Sep 4, 2011

I'm not sure 'preps' would be familiar in England.

And the problem with chavs is that they aren't just young. Chav isn't a style choice. Hmmm....

OH reckons goths don't usually get beaten up by anybody. Not in the same way as mods and rockers or punks and skins.

Maybe you could use skins? They love beating up anybody.

FabricatedParadise · Sep 4, 2011

I agree with goths being non-cofrontational and looking scary to suit that purpose. Most of them are actually uber sensitive and caring. I've never known a single "goth" to be violent (well not toward anyone except his or her self). But there is a lot of negativity felt towards the baby bats.

Good answer!

samw11 · Sep 4, 2011

I desperately need there to be a riot!!! Can replace goths with bikers... probably easier - thinking about it, I should have done that in the first instance... but still need to describe the other people there...

The idea is a nightclub owner is trying to cause 'civil unrest' so he's organised a festival (mid-winter) where he has managed to get the most popular bands to play (cross genre) in order to put an awful lot of very disimilar people in close confines & provide vast quantities of alcohol in order to see the riot unfold.

I don't want to be too offensive about the people who aren't bikers as it's a Romeo & Juliet kind of thing, the FMC is the kind of girl who likes dance music... her romantic interest was a goth & has just been converted to a biker... I need people to really like my FMC but at the same time, detest her brother, for whom Chav/douch bag/NED etc are all mild and not derogatory enough... during the riot he is going to murder the cousin of the romantic interest... the riot really needs to happen!

PrincessofPersia · Sep 4, 2011

FabricatedParadise said:
Preps. When I went through the "goth" stage as a teen, our nemeses were the preps.

Is it nemeses? Nemesises? Wait... Nemesi? I give up. The plural of nemesis. There, I'm done.

Nemeses.

FabricatedParadise said:
I agree with goths being non-cofrontational and looking scary to suit that purpose. Most of them are actually uber sensitive and caring. I've never known a single "goth" to be violent (well not toward anyone except his or her self). But there is a lot of negativity felt towards the baby bats.

Good answer!

I think the point was that the "douche bags" would start the violence and the "goths" would be forced to flee or defend themselves. Not the other way around.

samw11 said:
Princess of Persia - you're not the only one - but again, wary of causing offense!

Who gives a toss? They're obnoxious and rude.

areteus · Sep 4, 2011

You rarely get goths and non goths in the same place, at least not in quantities where either would consider causing a fight. The goth scene is very insular and if you are not dressed right you can, in some clubs, be not allowed in and in others disdained.

As for old goths and young goths, it is not anyway as simple as that... there are many different flavours of goth and it ranges from the new romantics to the industrials to the cyber goths to the emos and right the way down to individual band preference.

The opposite of goths are often referred to as 'Trendies' in the UK. While goths are nonconformist alternative subculture lovers (in thier identical uniforms

) Trendies are followers of popularist trends like chart music, designer labels and the X factor. They go to trendy clubs and listen to dance music.

samw11 · Sep 4, 2011

areteus said:
The opposite of goths are often referred to as 'Trendies' in the UK. While goths are nonconformist alternative subculture lovers (in thier identical uniforms ) Trendies are followers of popularist trends like chart music, designer labels and the X factor. They go to trendy clubs and listen to dance music.

Cracking - that's the one!!!

blacbird · Sep 4, 2011

Amish.

caw

PrincessofPersia · Sep 4, 2011

blacbird said:
Amish.

caw

...?

Cath · Sep 4, 2011

Careful guys, please don't turn this into a 'hey, who can we make fun of today?'

IsisAnalysis · Sep 4, 2011

"Trendies" sounds good to me, maybe also because it's the sort of thing they would call themselves and be happy with.

Anninyn · Sep 4, 2011

Our local club once had the R+B Crowd and the goths kicking out at the same time.

There was some trouble- not much. Big fights are unlikely, but small brawls are possible.

Chavs would be the main ones in the UK, yes. The people responsible for both of the assaults on me directly related to being a goth would have fit in with the 'chav' sterotype.

Jessianodel · Sep 4, 2011

samw11 said:
That's probably accurate but am concerned that I may offend people!!!!

Jessianodel - Not heard guidos before? Not watched Jersey Shore either though... is that a US thing or would that still work in the UK?

Princess of Persia - you're not the only one - but again, wary of causing offense!

Well I know the newest season is in Italy but yeah it's probably more American (Unfortunately).

fp - yeah preps are the best nemesis, but I don't see them as going to dance clubs and drinking heavily, so I'm not sure they work. They are definitely complete opposites though.

samw11 · Sep 4, 2011

Thanking you all - riot succesfully kicked off and reported on, murder sucesfully hidden within it... am off to bed

Sleep tight people & try not to bite the bed bugs

Mr Flibble · Sep 4, 2011

samw11 said:
Cracking - that's the one!!!

This is going to vary a LOT locally

Here we cals them 'townies' (trendies went out in..oooh, quote a few years ago. 10 at least), in parts of Scotland possibly 'Neds' would suit etc etc

Where is this set? Local idiom changes in quite small areas.

BunnyMaz · Sep 4, 2011

Aye, chav/ned/townie/trendy was pretty much the biggest subculture I had to deal with in my goth youth. I got beat up a few times by them, they'd start on me if I was alone and they were in a group, and even just give me lip if they thought they could.

As for them not hanging out in the same places - in my area the goth, rocker, metalhead, punk and grunge crowds all sort of banded together and stuck to the same little haunts. Occasionally though, you'd get a group of trendie's would try and colonise one of our bars for a night, mostly to actively look for trouble.

Of course, they were all 17 year old, skinny yobbos generally coming expecting to encounter the goths. It was always amusing to see the looks on their faces when the huge, brick-shithouse really-sweet-but-look-like-they-eat-puppies punks and metalheads would converge on them and sit, quite peacefully, surrounding them until they left.

backslashbaby · Sep 4, 2011

We just called them pretty boys (from some song lyrics about sending pretty pretty boys to Managua :ROFL:

). The girls we called muffins. I missed the explanation on that one

Oh, they'd go out and get drunk! The churchy ones might not, but just the 'preppy' ones? Yeah. I'd think the preppy Brits would certainly be heavy drinkers, no?

I take it 'frat boy' (or 'sorority girl' or Greeks) wouldn't work for a British story? I had many friends who were actually in fraternities, but I still used the term 'frat boy' all the time about the Goth or Punk-hating type of them. ('In a fraternity' is not the same as 'frat boy' around here).

kuwisdelu · Sep 5, 2011

What about straight-edge kids?

You know, the kind who'd be all like "You shouldn't smoke, bro."

Is there a word for the opposite of a goth?

samw11

Cath

The mean one

PrincessofPersia

Jessianodel

Blessed by the AW Gods

FabricatedParadise

Can be bribed with circus peanuts

Canotila

Sever your leg please.

samw11

FabricatedParadise

Can be bribed with circus peanuts

mirandashell

FabricatedParadise

Can be bribed with circus peanuts

samw11

PrincessofPersia

areteus

samw11

blacbird

PrincessofPersia

Cath

The mean one

IsisAnalysis

~fish ~fowl ~good red herring

Anninyn

Stealing your twiglets.

Jessianodel

Blessed by the AW Gods

samw11

Mr Flibble

They've been very bad, Mr Flibble

BunnyMaz

Ruining your porn since 1984

backslashbaby

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kuwisdelu

Revolutionize the World

Is there a word for the opposite of a goth?

The mean one

Blessed by the AW Gods

Can be bribed with circus peanuts

Sever your leg please.

Can be bribed with circus peanuts

Can be bribed with circus peanuts

The mean one

~fish ~fowl ~good red herring

Stealing your twiglets.

Blessed by the AW Gods

They've been very bad, Mr Flibble

Ruining your porn since 1984

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Revolutionize the World

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