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Orianna2000
08-03-2011, 06:45 AM
Say someone manages to teleport into the Cairo International Airport. They haven't a passport, but they've materialized in the terminal, beyond the security checkpoint. Would they be able to board a plane to London? Or do they check passports and ID when boarding the plane, as well as at the security point?

I assume she'd be in trouble once she landed in London and tried to get past customs? She has a British passport, just not with her, and there's a secret government agency that will ensure she can leave the airport without her passport, if that's necessary. But I'm concerned about how difficult it might be to get her onto the plane in the first place. Anyone know?

LJD
08-03-2011, 07:08 AM
At the gate, they check your passport and ticket, in my recent (international, non-Egyptian) flying experience.

Purple Rose
08-03-2011, 08:19 AM
In all international airports, as far as I'm aware, they check passports and boarding passes. The passport check is the security ID check against the boarding pass, not to check the validity of your travel document. The validity check is Immigration's responsibility and the airline check-in counter's too, if you are going to a conutry with strict visa entry requirements (US, China, India, etc)

L M Ashton
08-03-2011, 09:05 AM
In the last six months, I've flown out of Sri Lanka, Singapore, and New Zealand. In all three countries, passports were checked at the gate in addition to when checking the luggage.

blacbird
08-03-2011, 09:12 AM
Add China to the list above (I was there in May). Checking passports at the gate is a common practice in virtually every nation, as far as I know.

caw

skylark
08-03-2011, 10:49 AM
Based on my (non Egyptian, but international flights going into London) experience, her passport and boarding pass would be checked as she left the terminal building to walk across the tarmac, and the boarding pass would be checked again as she got on the plane. I don't think they look at the passport then, though I always wave it at them :)

Coming into the UK, passport control is before customs (picking up your baggage comes in between). However, it's a fair distance from the plane - assuming her secret agency can get inside security, it would be pretty easy for them to meet her with a passport in between plane and passport control (though if they can get in there, I'd have thought they could get her out the same way just as easily).

Buffysquirrel
08-03-2011, 04:27 PM
If you fly into a London airport without a passport, you'll probably be assumed to be an asylum seeker and detained. Asylum seekers often discard their documents either because they're fake or because they don't want to be returned to their country of origin.

Orianna2000
08-03-2011, 05:47 PM
So they actually check your passport as you're boarding the plane? My husband insists that they don't check your passport at the plane, only at the security checkpoint. But then, I don't think he's ever been on an international flight. For domestic flights, the only time they check your ID (usually) is at check-in, and at security. Once you're past security, they assume you're okay, so all they check at the plane is your boarding pass.

If necessary, I can have the secret agency procure her a passport and get it to her before she boards the plane. I just didn't want to have to go to that much trouble. She'll be teleporting again before she gets to customs (or passport control, whatever it's called) so her passport or lack thereof shouldn't be an issue for arriving in London. Unless they check passports before you disembark?

New question: Is it possible to bypass the checking-in process? Since she's already in the terminal, sans passport, and her friend at the secret agency is with her, he was going to make a phone call, buy her a ticket to London, and have them bring the boarding pass to her at the terminal. Is that even remotely feasible? She's part of a top secret government organization, so they can pull a lot of strings. But I don't know if that's even a string that's allowed to be pulled. Will she have to wait until they bring her a passport, then walk out of the terminal, check in, go through security, return to the terminal, and then board the plane? I was hoping to keep it simple, without all the running around, but if it's not realistic that they'd pull a few strings and have her checked in and brought her boarding pass at the gate, then I can change that. Anyone know?

Steve Collins
08-03-2011, 05:59 PM
I travel quite a lot, here at Tampa FL they check your passport and boarding pass at the gate so you can go airside. TSA then do a further passport and boarding pass check prior to going through the security screening. After that when you board the plane you show your boarding pass only. In my experience it's like that in most countries I've visited.

Becca_H
08-03-2011, 06:11 PM
It'd be the UK Border Agency immigration that'd check passports at Heathrow. Customs will only ask to see it if they select the person/baggage for examination in their checkpoint. (Note that customs is now also operated by the UK Border Agency as well, and not HM Revenue & Customs). HMRC tend to do more desk-based customs work.

If the person materialises at a departure terminal, past check-in and security, and has a fake boarding pass given to her, I see no problem with her boarding. But, the air host/hostess will check the pass and direct her to her seat. So the fake pass must correlate to a seat that's not been booked by someone else.

I suspect they also check the plane manifest at some point, and they'd be concerned if an empty seat was somehow filled (although some flights permit passengers to swap seats once the plane has started cruising).

Maryn
08-03-2011, 06:14 PM
So they actually check your passport as you're boarding the plane? They did going both directions in my recent international flight to a tourist-friendly country. Every time there was a check--security, getting the boarding pass, entering the gate to board, they wanted to see our passports.


If necessary, I can have the secret agency procure her a passport and get it to her before she boards the plane. I just didn't want to have to go to that much trouble. How?
She'll be teleporting again before she gets to customs (or passport control, whatever it's called) so her passport or lack thereof shouldn't be an issue for arriving in London. Unless they check passports before you disembark?You mean on the plane? No, nobody checks before you get off.


New question: Is it possible to bypass the checking-in process? Since she's already in the terminal, sans passport, and her friend at the secret agency is with her, he was going to make a phone call, buy her a ticket to London, and have them bring the boarding pass to her at the terminal. Is that even remotely feasible? She's part of a top secret government organization, so they can pull a lot of strings. But I don't know if that's even a string that's allowed to be pulled. Will she have to wait until they bring her a passport, then walk out of the terminal, check in, go through security, return to the terminal, and then board the plane? I was hoping to keep it simple, without all the running around, but if it's not realistic that they'd pull a few strings and have her checked in and brought her boarding pass at the gate, then I can change that. Anyone know?I don't think this will work. The tickets (and usually the boarding pass, too) are issued before security check, so if the friend is already with her and buys her a ticket, she's going to have to go to the ticketing desk to get it--and then have to go through security without a passport. Security does not allow anything, not even forgotten tickets or passports, to be passed from an unsecured area to someone who's been through security.

Man, sometimes the details are so hard, huh?

Maryn, hoping to have helped

skylark
08-03-2011, 07:24 PM
You might be able to tweak it. I once no-brained (very late night flight) and, having just shown my passport to the guy examining them, I put it down on a non-moving bit of the baggage scanning belt machine while I extracted my laptop from my hand luggage as it had to go through the scan separately. Walked through the metal detector arch, picked up laptop and rucksack, walked off.

About five minutes later I realised I no longer had my passport, had a complete panic, went back to where I knew I'd had it, wailed pathetically at the security guards (one of them went through my bag and all my pockets with me with a fine tooth comb), and we eventually realised it was still sitting where I'd put it on the other end of the machine beyond the arch.

I have since been paranoidly careful.

You might get away with that sort of scenario, if one of your top secret agents could "find" it after "somebody dropped it" inside the secure area. I mean, passport inside secure area, passport's owner inside secure area, obviously they must have gone through security together...

They could tuck a boarding pass in it too. That's what I do, to save pairing up passport and boarding pass for each child before every check.

Orianna2000
08-03-2011, 07:28 PM
If the person materialises at a departure terminal, past check-in and security, and has a fake boarding pass given to her, I see no problem with her boarding. But, the air host/hostess will check the pass and direct her to her seat. So the fake pass must correlate to a seat that's not been booked by someone else.

I suspect they also check the plane manifest at some point, and they'd be concerned if an empty seat was somehow filled (although some flights permit passengers to swap seats once the plane has started cruising).
Oh, no. Her boarding pass would be genuine. They're buying her a real ticket to get back to London. No problems there. I'm just trying to figure out the dilemma of her having no passport with her.



I don't think this will work. The tickets (and usually the boarding pass, too) are issued before security check, so if the friend is already with her and buys her a ticket, she's going to have to go to the ticketing desk to get it--and then have to go through security without a passport. Security does not allow anything, not even forgotten tickets or passports, to be passed from an unsecured area to someone who's been through security.
So if the courier brings her a passport first---then she can take her new passport and the plane ticket her friend bought for her, go back out, check in, go through security with her new passport, and end up right back where she started, but this time legally? Does that sound like it will work? Is the problem that the courier will be unable to get through security? Because the secret agency will do whatever's necessary to get him through with her passport, if that means buying him a ticket and then throwing it away, or whatever.

Orianna2000
08-03-2011, 07:37 PM
You might get away with that sort of scenario, if one of your top secret agents could "find" it after "somebody dropped it" inside the secure area. I mean, passport inside secure area, passport's owner inside secure area, obviously they must have gone through security together...

They could tuck a boarding pass in it too. That's what I do, to save pairing up passport and boarding pass for each child before every check.
The trouble with this is, (I think) in order to get your boarding pass you have to show your ID at the ticket counter. Unless it's a fake boarding pass, but I don't really want to go that route. So it seems like I need to have her exit the terminal, go pick up her boarding pass, then go through security, with her new passport. But she can't exit without her passport, because presumably she'll get stopped at immigration or customs or whatever it's called.

"Dropping" the passport might work, but unless I'm totally misunderstanding, it would be just as easy for a courier to hand her the new passport before she reaches immigration control.

Dang, this is getting complicated!

skylark
08-03-2011, 09:43 PM
The trouble with this is, (I think) in order to get your boarding pass you have to show your ID at the ticket counter.


I printed our last set of boarding passes out on my printer at home. With online checkins, for at least some airlines that stage of security has gone completely unless you have hold baggage (which she obviously doesn't).

Hallen
08-03-2011, 09:53 PM
Oh, no. Her boarding pass would be genuine. They're buying her a real ticket to get back to London. No problems there. I'm just trying to figure out the dilemma of her having no passport with her.


So if the courier brings her a passport first---then she can take her new passport and the plane ticket her friend bought for her, go back out, check in, go through security with her new passport, and end up right back where she started, but this time legally? Does that sound like it will work? Is the problem that the courier will be unable to get through security? Because the secret agency will do whatever's necessary to get him through with her passport, if that means buying him a ticket and then throwing it away, or whatever.

You can "check in" at one airport and then you don't really have to "check in" again when you change planes at a different airport. So, to me, it is completely feasible if the agency brings her a passport and boarding pass inside of security for her to get on the plane. It's also feasible for the agency to have people who "work" at the airport and have ways of bypassing the normal passenger security stuff using their airport ID badges, etc. No big deal.

"Check In" is really just a way of saying "I'm here and ready to take my seat". All it takes is somebody with access to the system to push the right buttons. It's a way for the airline to know that that seat you booked is really going to be used. Again, the agency can cover this pretty easily. (You can even "check in" online for most flights. The ID check is covered at security.)

Orianna2000
08-03-2011, 10:03 PM
Ah, I'd forgotten about online check-in. I was thinking of the last time I flew, but I forgot I was checking a bag, not merely checking-in. Big difference, apparently.

So, the courier can bypass security (through whatever means he has) and can then hand the MC her passport and boarding pass. She won't have to go through security again, she can simply get on the plane. Does that sound right?

Hallen
08-03-2011, 10:09 PM
Ah, I'd forgotten about online check-in. I was thinking of the last time I flew, but I forgot I was checking a bag, not merely checking-in. Big difference, apparently.

So, the courier can bypass security (through whatever means he has) and can then hand the MC her passport and boarding pass. She won't have to go through security again, she can simply get on the plane. Does that sound right?

That's what I would do. It's not an important part of the story. The agent just hands her the boarding pass and passport and sends her on her way with some off-hand comment about it's nice to have resources at every major airport in the world, or something like that.

Chris P
08-03-2011, 10:11 PM
In the last six months, I've flown out of Sri Lanka, Singapore, and New Zealand. In all three countries, passports were checked at the gate in addition to when checking the luggage.

Ditto leaving the US, as well as getting on the plane in Manchester, London, and Amsterdam.

aruna
08-03-2011, 10:31 PM
Put her in a wheelchair. I've done several international flights with my husband in a wheelchair, and they get five star service, with people escorting them through secret passageways and doors and straight on the aircraft before anyone else. As far as I can remember, we never (or hardly ever) had to show passports at the gate.

Orianna2000
08-04-2011, 02:41 AM
Put her in a wheelchair. I've done several international flights with my husband in a wheelchair, and they get five star service, with people escorting them through secret passageways and doors and straight on the aircraft before anyone else. As far as I can remember, we never (or hardly ever) had to show passports at the gate.
Interesting suggestion. I doubt she'd be willing to go through with such a charade, though. She's very morally strict.

I always use wheelchair service when I fly, because I can't walk long distances or use escalators. The service varies. One time, they put me on the plane before anyone else, assisted me with my luggage, and were incredibly helpful. Most other times, they just dropped me off at the gate and left me to my own devices, which included having to beg fellow passengers for help getting my suitcase into the overhead bin. One time, I actually had an attendant complain because I didn't look disabled enough to need wheelchair service!

I've always had to show my ID and boarding pass, though, even when using wheelchair service.

Zelenka
08-04-2011, 07:53 AM
Cairo airport, they check passports with boarding cards as you go through the gate, and actually once or twice in Luxor (different airport, but still Egypt) they checked my passport on the plane as I was boarding too, I suppose because it was one of those services where they bus you to the Tarmac. There are security officials t the foot of the stairs into the plane who not only often check passports and boarding passes again, but sometimes hand luggage.

jairey
08-04-2011, 05:25 PM
Changing planes in Hong Kong (admittedly before 9/11) we came in from Quingdao (mainland China) and out to Tokyo and then to the US. As long as we stayed behind the security in the terminals as we went between planes we did not have our passports checked. In Hong Kong, had we gone out to the main terminal and come back in through security we would have been checked and also had to pay an -- I'll call it an exit fee, forget what they called it. This was about $20 and had to be paid in Hong Kong Currency (bummer). We did not go out to the main terminal. (grin). On the other hand, we changed planes in Frankfurt (post 9/11) and were shocked to find a full security check being done before you were allowed down to the gates where our plane was loading. We had not gone into the main terminal and had been behind the primary security check to the gates the whole time. The lines were really bad (several flights boarding) and they were having to hold planes for people to get through the security.

FWIW

Jean

MeretSeger
08-07-2011, 01:34 AM
Cairo was document obsessed, just to throw in my 2 cents. And the lack of luggage might be a concern. A bit of our airport time was personally identifying our own luggage before it went on the plane. Egypt could not afford an "incident" on (what's left of) their travel industry after the Hatshepsut massacre.

Orianna2000
08-07-2011, 01:43 AM
I think I'll just gloss over the no-luggage thing. I don't want to turn the scene into a big incident. She's got her new passport and a boarding pass, thanks to the secret agency's courier. I think they could pull strings so that no one would remark on her lack of luggage. She's with another secret agent, who likewise has no luggage, since they were hot on the trail of an alien bounty hunter who decided to flee England. They didn't have time to stop to pack, first.

Evice
08-07-2011, 02:10 AM
The only way i have bypassed airport security was by being in the military. I flew from UK to a civilian American airport and didnt have to have my passport (i did have to have a NATO travel slip, but that wasnt checked either) We were not searched or checked in any way but ushered round a side gate. I can't think of any other way someone could get through unless they were invisible :)

Ms Hollands
08-08-2011, 02:10 AM
I think I'll just gloss over the no-luggage thing. I don't want to turn the scene into a big incident. She's got her new passport and a boarding pass, thanks to the secret agency's courier. I think they could pull strings so that no one would remark on her lack of luggage. She's with another secret agent, who likewise has no luggage, since they were hot on the trail of an alien bounty hunter who decided to flee England. They didn't have time to stop to pack, first.

A couple of things. First up, I once travelled back to Australia with just hand luggage (wintry French alps to summery Aus and all summer clothes in the UK), and I was asked at customs at Melbourne airport about why I had no luggage with me. Three separate officials sussed me out over it but all three were fine once I said I was home for a funeral.

Other thing, where is your traveller from? I know that some countries allow you to leave with other forms of ID, but this may be restricted to the EU. For example, a French person with an international ID card can travel to Italy, the UK and Switzerland without a passport. If your traveller is from any of the EEA countries (listed on the link below when you roll your mouse over the dotted underline), he/she should be able to enter the UK with just an official ID card and no passport. See http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/travellingtotheuk/Enteringtheuk/arrivingatukborder/ for more info. I'm not sure if he'd be allowed to board in Egypt without a passport though.

Becca_H
08-08-2011, 02:19 AM
Other thing, where is your traveller from? I know that some countries allow you to leave with other forms of ID, but this may be restricted to the EU. For example, a French person with an international ID card can travel to Italy, the UK and Switzerland without a passport. If your traveller is from any of the EEA countries (listed on the link below when you roll your mouse over the dotted underline), he/she should be able to enter the UK with just an official ID card and no passport. See http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/travellingtotheuk/Enteringtheuk/arrivingatukborder/ for more info. I'm not sure if he'd be allowed to board in Egypt without a passport though.

I may be wrong, but I believe EU ID cards only work for intra-EEA movements. It's because when moving across EU/EEA borders (but entering/leaving Schengen), we only need to prove EU citizenship/residency, which an ID card does nicely.

The UK doesn't have national ID cards, meaning we have to use passports just to go to France, whereas French nationals only have to whip a card out their wallet at the UK checkpoint.

Orianna2000
08-08-2011, 02:37 AM
A couple of things. First up, I once travelled back to Australia with just hand luggage (wintry French alps to summery Aus and all summer clothes in the UK), and I was asked at customs at Melbourne airport about why I had no luggage with me. Three separate officials sussed me out over it but all three were fine once I said I was home for a funeral.
They wouldn't like me, then. I rarely travel with more than a carry-on suitcase and a laptop bag.

Do you think this is such a big deal that I need to mention it? Right now, I just skip past the whole going through the gate, getting their passports and boarding passes checked. They have them, so I figured it's obvious they'll be checked, no need to go into detail about it. I skip from them walking down the terminal to them being aboard the plane.



Other thing, where is your traveller from? I know that some countries allow you to leave with other forms of ID, but this may be restricted to the EU.
Originally, she's from America. Or rather, the New United States of America, since she's from the 28th century originally. But she's living in London (21st century) now and has a UK passport.

Ms Hollands
08-08-2011, 02:49 AM
I doubt you'd need the detail specifically, but might be useful background knowledge. If her not having a passport at the terminal is important to the story, I'm not sure how else you can get her onto that flight. :O/

Orianna2000
08-08-2011, 04:03 PM
If her not having a passport at the terminal is important to the story, I'm not sure how else you can get her onto that flight. :O/
Well, when she time-jumps, she can't take anything with her. She materializes completely naked, so there's no possible way she could have a passport with her. I'm solving that by having a courier from the secret agency she works for smuggle her a passport and boarding pass at the terminal, just before she boards the plane.