Teachers- Suspension for fighting?

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Hey, all! My female mc just popped her bully in the nose after he smashed a donut on her head. Bloodied his nose and all. Lol. So, just wondering if they'd both be suspended, especially since this comes on the heals of him assaulting her a couple weeks beforehand.

Oh and you should know she bloodied a teacher's nose the year before. Lol, long story. :s

Thanks in advance!

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These days a lot of schools have a no tolerance policy for violence and bullying. So definite suspending. Probably 3 days
 

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Yep, I'd say she'd definitely be suspended. Not so sure about doughnut boy though (and I like your MC already, seems like my kind of chick...well, not the punching the teacher thing though)
 

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I am a teacher and our school has a no tolerance policy anyone caught fighting is suspended-even if you were breaking it up.
 

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Thanks, all, for your replies. The no tolerance thing sounds good to me.

Hey,Aubie, not to worry- the teacher absolutely deserved it. ;)
 

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If she bloodied her teacher's nose, she might very well have criminal charges against her. These days not having police involvement would be unusual. As for the teacher deserving it...and what you've said in previous posts, I think talking to teachers about codes of ethics and getting a realistic assessment of what could and couldn't happen in schools can only help your story. Maybe you can go to a school and interview a principle, guidance counselor or teacher to have the opportunity for a face to face dialogue with follow up questions.
 
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Yeah, it's mainly no-tolerance everywhere now. Three days minimum, and parental and police involvement is most likely.

Jennie, if you Google some schools near to where your story is set, many of them will have published student handbooks on their website. These tend to go into minute detail regarding how certain offences are punished. You could see how the district would handle all degrees of violence, from minor right up to firearms.
 

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Yea it's no tolerance usually because a teacher cannot prove who or what started it to they would suspend or give detentions to everyone involved.
 

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The school I work at has a 10 day out of school automatic suspension for fighting. Depending on circumstances, this may be switched to partially in school suspension, slightly shortened, or delayed. However, even if you're just defending yourself, as soon as you hit the other person, it's 10 days. Since he just smashed a donut on her head, he would not be suspended for this amount of time, probably a few days in school depending on his prior suspensions.
 

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If she bloodied her teacher's nose, she might very well have criminal charges against her. These days not having police involvement would be unusual. As for the teacher deserving it...and what you've said in previous posts, I think talking to teachers about codes of ethics and getting a realistic assessment of what could and couldn't happen in schools can only help your story. Maybe you can go to a school and interview a principle, guidance counselor or teacher to have the opportunity for a face to face dialogue with follow up questions.


What happened took place the year before. Police were temporarily involved, because she accused him of grabbing her breast- he denied it and she failed to press charges (the whys can be explored ;) ).

This is a teacher other than my male MC, by the way. I'm not going into huge details on that- it's basically a backstory and something to cast a little doubt on the female MC. And also has helped mold her into who she is now.
 

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Yeah, it's mainly no-tolerance everywhere now. Three days minimum, and parental and police involvement is most likely.

Jennie, if you Google some schools near to where your story is set, many of them will have published student handbooks on their website. These tend to go into minute detail regarding how certain offences are punished. You could see how the district would handle all degrees of violence, from minor right up to firearms.


OK, thanks for the info, Becca. I'll look into it. :)
 

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What happened took place the year before. Police were temporarily involved, because she accused him of grabbing her breast- he denied it and she failed to press charges (the whys can be explored ;) ).

This is a teacher other than my male MC, by the way. I'm not going into huge details on that- it's basically a backstory and something to cast a little doubt on the female MC. And also has helped mold her into who she is now.

But as the one with the bloody nose, the teacher might not have the choice whether to press charges, especially in a zero-tolerance system. That's all I'm saying. (BTW your story sounds very interesting, I'd be interested in reading it when you're done.)
 

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Three day suspension for sure. But some schools do 'in school' suspension. In my school, a student would be assigned to a small room next to the assistant principal's office. You're not locked in, but you have to stay there and ask someone in the office to accompany you to the bathroom. They wait for you outside. You are also escorted to lunch, buy your lunch, and they walk you back.

What do you do there? Your teachers are required to send assignments, classwork that could be done there and homework. I used to send TONS OF STUFF as I loved it when a pain-in-the-neck kid was sent there who seldom did any work. Out of intense boredom, most the work sent there would get done. I'd also send another student's notebook if there were notes missed or diagrams.

If the police were involved, however, an at-home suspension would occur and it's possible student and parent would have to meet with the superintendent before being re-admitting. Parents also are always required to meet with administration before the suspension is over. Some kids would sit in 'in house' suspension for longer than three days until their parents could get into school for the meeting.

If the student were deemed a continued threat, expulsion is a possibility. How did your fictional character get away with hitting a teacher? I had a student threaten me once and he was removed from public schools and had to attend a juvenile facility. I went straight to the police. If a student hits a teacher, that's assault and the teacher doesn't have to make the complaint. Administration can and usually will, even if the teacher doesn't want to out of fear or whatever the reason.
 
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But as the one with the bloody nose, the teacher might not have the choice whether to press charges, especially in a zero-tolerance system. That's all I'm saying. (BTW your story sounds very interesting, I'd be interested in reading it when you're done.)


Kewl, I'll let you know. I've already written through a few times, experimenting and now I'm writing sort of a final version for my blog. I may sharpen it up further and see if I can't make it an ebook later. But I'd have to remove a lot of the web entries, of course. I'll see how it goes.

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Three day suspension for sure. But some schools do 'in school' suspension. In my school, a student would be assigned to a small room next to the assistant principal's office. You're not locked in, but you have to stay there and ask someone in the office to accompany you to the bathroom. They wait for you outside. You are also escorted to lunch, buy your lunch, and they walk you back.

What do you do there? Your teachers are required to send assignments, classwork that could be done there and homework. I used to send TONS OF STUFF as I loved it when a pain-in-the-neck kid was sent there who seldom did any work. Out of intense boredom, most the work sent there would get done. I'd also send another student's notebook if there were notes missed or diagrams.

If the police were involved, however, an at-home suspension would occur and it's possible student and parent would have to meet with the superintendent before being re-admitting. Parents also are always required to meet with administration before the suspension is over. Some kids would sit in 'in house' suspension for longer than three days until their parents could get into school for the meeting.

If the student were deemed a continued threat, expulsion is a possibility. How did your fictional character get away with hitting a teacher? I had a student threaten me once and he was removed from public schools and had to attend a juvenile facility. I went straight to the police. If a student hits a teacher, that's assault and the teacher doesn't have to make the complaint. Administration can and usually will, even if the teacher doesn't want to out of fear or whatever the reason.


It was a mess because he tried to grab her breast and she reacted. So, because of the circumstances...where there was so much doubt as to what happened, I'd say no charges were pressed. She doesn't go around threatening teachers. ;)
 

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If the student were deemed a continued threat, expulsion is a possibility. How did your fictional character get away with hitting a teacher? I had a student threaten me once and he was removed from public schools and had to attend a juvenile facility. I went straight to the police. If a student hits a teacher, that's assault and the teacher doesn't have to make the complaint. Administration can and usually will, even if the teacher doesn't want to out of fear or whatever the reason.
Same where I live--just threatening would get the student kicked out to an alternative school (they have a last chance school for troublemakers, before juvenile justice steps in.)
A few years ago a teacher know for being good with troubled students was beaten and kicked by one of those students. He had a broken neck and brain injuries and was lucky not to have been killed. Still, at the hearing the teacher plead for leniency for the kid.
 

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I read a case where a girl struck a teacher and her only punishment was in-school suspension.
 

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Yeah. I imagine more hell than anything. At first they might like it, b,ut they'd get tired of it.

I'm sure there are loopholes...if I have to change the story a bit I will, but I'm thinking that because of the circumstances, no one was willing to press charges. She had no history of violence. Until now. :S
 

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I've been told by several HS kids that you can bargain with the teacher on ISS and often get released.

Check the relevant school policies, but if you want her to remain in school and receive a punishment - without locking her in a room and keeping her out of the story - ISS and a lenient teacher could work well.
 

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This may be a question for the lawyers on this site. Or cops.
 

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Thanks, I'll probably see if I can find one from here in Ohio. As for the student hitting the teacher bit, I think - at this point- I'll settle on this: Having doubt on both ends because neither prosecutes, nor does either party have a shady background, the teacher is asked to resign and the girl sent to ISS for a month. Because so many different scenarios have worked out in different school districts, I think this is plausible.