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gan_naire
06-03-2011, 02:10 AM
This is probably going to be an annoying question here, but I know nothing about self-publishing, POD, subsidary presses, vanity presses, etc., and honestly, my eyes and brain are really starting to hurt from trying to find the right place to start out with learning all of this.

I want my book out there, naturally. I like the idea of having a book on reputable websites like amazon, b&n, and I would like it to be on a publishers website too. I've gotten over my fear of ebooks with the help of this forum, so I wouldn't mind at all if my book was an ebook, but I'd also like for it to be a paperback as well.

So I don't really know what I need to be researching to begin with. And the majority of the threads I'm going into for research I'm finding a lot of randomness that just throws me further off.

If anyone could help me with a good place to start, even if it's a different website, a book or whatever, that will help me learn the basics before I simply jump into something, I'd greatly appreciate it. For example, I don't know what an ISBN number is, or what DMR (or whatever it's called) is. When I first saw DMR, the first thing that popped in my head was dimethyltriptamine.

As always, thanks for any help.

CaoPaux
06-03-2011, 02:43 AM
ResearchGuy's free .pdf: The Pursuit of Publishing -- An Unvarnished Guide for the Perplexed (http://www.umbachconsulting.com/pursuit.pdf).

James D. Macdonald
06-03-2011, 02:59 AM
gan_naire, where do you find the books that you read yourself?

gan_naire
06-03-2011, 03:39 AM
Sorry, I should've mentioned, I haven't read any books yet. I just started seriously getting serious about all of this after reading a bit here and there on this forum. I'm just looking for a good place to start so I can learn all of the basics so I don't just jump into something blind and find myself becoming one of the horror stories. I don't think I have any books on self-publishing.

I have a book called Negotiating a Book Contract by Mark L. Levine, I don't remember ever having read it though. I also have The Complete Idiots Guide to Getting Published, I'm sure there's something in there about self-publishing.

gan_naire
06-03-2011, 03:46 AM
Okay The Complete Idiots Guide to Getting Published had an all of 3 pages about it. Where they give one place to check out, mention a guy to check out, say that self-publishing costs thousands of dollars to the author and that vanity presses are a complete rip off.

Haha, that's what I get for buying that damn book.

sheilas_world
06-03-2011, 04:45 AM
In addition to ResearchGuy's book already linked, try these places to get you started:

Dean Wesley Smith: (http://http//www.deanwesleysmith.com/)
http://http://www.deanwesleysmith.com/ (http://http//www.deanwesleysmith.com/)

J. A Konrath: (http://http//jakonrath.blogspot.com/)
http://http://jakonrath.blogspot.com/ (http://http//jakonrath.blogspot.com/)

gan_naire
06-03-2011, 04:48 AM
Okay the guide was very useful, thank you so much for giving me the link to it.

I am positive that self-publishing wouldn't be for me. However, I do think that e-publishing and POD would be perfect for me. I'll be looking to steer clear from vanity presses for sure, subsidy presses maybe, but what I feel would be good for me would be a small press.

I'm positive I could learn to format my book as needed as well as design the cover art. As for putting it all together, I could learn to do all of that, glad I'm a quick learner when I need to be. Thanks again for all the help and any other help and information would be greatly appreciated.

thothguard51
06-03-2011, 05:11 AM
Yes, you can learn all of that but can you write?

benbradley
06-03-2011, 06:19 AM
gan_naire, where do you find the books that you read yourself?


Sorry, I should've mentioned, I haven't read any books yet.
YOU'VE NEVER READ ANY BOOK?

Not even one like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_and_Jane


I just started seriously getting serious about all of thisWhat exactly is all of this? Writing a book? Publishing a book? Have you written a book you want to publish or get published?

after reading a bit here and there on this forum. I'm just looking for a good place to start so I can learn all of the basics so I don't just jump into something blind and find myself becoming one of the horror stories. I don't think I have any books on self-publishing.I believe James is asking "Have you read novels? Self-help books? Books on car or home repair? Any books at all? Where did you get them?"

I have a book called Negotiating a Book Contract by Mark L. Levine, I don't remember ever having read it though. I also have The Complete Idiots Guide to Getting Published, I'm sure there's something in there about self-publishing.
Okay The Complete Idiots Guide to Getting Published had an all of 3 pages about it.
About what? Self-publishing? I think the "Getting Published" part of the title pretty much rules out self-publishing, and assumes you want to go with a commercial publisher (the kind that has lots and lots of books in any bookstore).

Where they give one place to check out, mention a guy to check out, say that self-publishing costs thousands of dollars to the author and that vanity presses are a complete rip off.Sounds about right to me, depending on how old the book is. What edition do you have? I see as recent as 4th Edition on Amazon.
[/quote]Haha, that's what I get for buying that damn book.[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah, self-publishing is essentially a business to print, market and sell a book, it just happens to be a book the publisher wrote.

Okay the guide was very useful, thank you so much for giving me the link to it.

I am positive that self-publishing wouldn't be for me. However, I do think that e-publishing and POD would be perfect for me.
Geez, there's some overlapping areas there...


I'll be looking to steer clear from vanity presses for sure, subsidy presses maybe, I suppose subsidy presses are a half step above "vanity presses. Maybe a quarter step.


but what I feel would be good for me would be a small press. Any particular kind of book you'd want to publish/get published? Fiction? Non-fiction?

I'm positive I could learn to format my book as needed as well as design the cover art. As for putting it all together, I could learn to do all of that, glad I'm a quick learner when I need to be. Thanks again for all the help and any other help and information would be greatly appreciated.All that is stuff you would do for self-publishing. If a small press or large commercial publisher publishes your book, you wouldn't have to do any of that.

Yes, you can learn all of that but can you write?
Hey, don't derail the thread! :D

Unimportant
06-03-2011, 06:59 AM
YOU'VE NEVER READ ANY BOOK?
I think the OP meant they'd not yet read any books about how to self-publish.



I want my book out there, naturally. I like the idea of having a book on reputable websites like amazon, b&n, and I would like it to be on a publishers website too.
For the most part, publishers only have on their websites the books that they themselves have published. If you go to the Samhain website, you're going to see Samhain books, not Tor books or Ellora's Cave books or iUniverse books. So if you want your book on a publisher's website, then you need a commercial/trade publisher to publish your book.

Having your book "out there" isn't quite the same as having it in front of readers' faces (and wallets). An author with PublishAmerica can find their book on the PublishAmerica website and on Amazon and B&N.....but they don't sell any copies of their books.

shadowwalker
06-03-2011, 07:35 AM
I am positive that self-publishing wouldn't be for me. However, I do think that e-publishing and POD would be perfect for me. I'll be looking to steer clear from vanity presses for sure, subsidy presses maybe, but what I feel would be good for me would be a small press.

I'm positive I could learn to format my book as needed as well as design the cover art. As for putting it all together, I could learn to do all of that, glad I'm a quick learner when I need to be. Thanks again for all the help and any other help and information would be greatly appreciated.

As someone else mentioned, if you're not going to self-publish, then you don't need to worry about formatting (except to follow the submission guidelines), or cover art (the publisher will handle that). The first thing is to make sure your book is edited/revised/polished so it's as good as you can possibly make it. While doing that, start learning about the submission process - the query letter, finding an agent, etc etc. There are a lot of tremendously informative threads here - sometimes it seems overwhelmingly so!

gan_naire
06-03-2011, 08:58 AM
Yeah, sorry, again my brain's been messing with me all day. I miss read the post, but yes I have read many fictional books from a few different genres. I've also written a few books and learned greatly from the mistakes from the first two, which there was no way I was going to send out haha. But the last book I wrote, I went through the whole process of polishing, putting away, polishing, etc.

I would like to have an agent, naturally, but realistically I think I'd be better off with a small press. Not a vanity or anything, but a small press. When I was researching them once before, I was looking at a place called Dreamspinner Press, and it looked like a great place and after talking to them I realized they were wonderful people. But my book didn't meet their guidelines, and honestly I just can't write m/m romance themes, but I tried anyways.

So what I'd like to do is find a small press like them for noir, or at least crime, thriller and mystery. I truly appreciate all the help and advice though. If I can't find a small press like what I'm looking for, or I don't get on with one, then I'll probably go to CreateSpace or something then.

KevinMcLaughlin
06-03-2011, 11:21 AM
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OK, first off, I think you need to figure out what you want. ;) You seem to be waffling between wanting to publish through some established company and self publishing.

If your goal is to be published by some established company, there's buckets of good posts on this forum about how to do that. And if that's your goal, I'd say stick with it - and work hard at building the skills you will need to succeed there.

If you want to self publish, there's other skills you need to learn. Some crossover (mostly in writing skills), but some things fade in importance (no need for agent research, query letters, and less importance on understanding contracts and deciphering royalty statements) and others become much more important. Having something of an entrepreneurial mindset is very helpful for self publishing.

Nothing wrong with doing both, too. Many writers are taking that path right now, self publishing some titles and submitting others to publishers.

gan_naire
06-05-2011, 05:00 AM
I know I'm sounding unsure about a lot, and basically until now I have been but it was because I wasn't sure about what was what. I am trying to find an agent, but while I play the waiting game, I'm looking at small presses or independant presses to submit to. Also, I'll be studying on Lightning Source and CreateSpace just to get my book out there. But I do want to know how a lot of this stuff works just so I can feel more comfortable with it all.

Basically, I want to go the traditional route, but I'm becoming a lot more realistic in realizing that my book isn't exactly commercial. But I'm wanting to have multiple back up plans with this book because I really do believe in it and like it.