How to tie up a longtime prisoner?

Personally I wouldn't be too concerned about the risk of the guy running away. If he wants to go, let him go. If he doesn't have some outdoors experience it would be a death sentence. Unless he's an incredible psycho who might go, free his hands and make a spear or something to kill everyone, but that goes beyond simple 'murderer'.

If he's not a complete psycho I'd just zip tie his hands at the front. Unless he's an idiot he'll realise he needs the others to survive and it's highly unlikely he can kill them all without being brought down. If you're really worried about him running, make him go barefoot. Most places in the wild that would be enough to stop him from running far.

If he is just zip-tied at the front they'd probably either watch him during the night or tie him more securely.

Aeroplanes don't usually carry cuffs, but cops do, if you have two on board one could have cuffs, that would make things easier (cuff him to a wing-strut or something)

If he is that dangerous, they could always just feed him instead of untying him.

Hmmm... depends on how nice they want to be to him. If they don't, they could just leave him in his own waste.

I think the most humane option would be a chain around one ankle and no access to anything sharp and cutty. You are just tying him to a location, not restraining what he can do. Chains are smooth and hard, they are difficult to break but will not cause injuries or abrasions.

Handcuffs would be the best solution. I would either cuff him between the wrists hugging a decent sized tree or a solid part of the aircraft and only let him out with every survivor armed and present to escort him when he has to the bathroom. If the tree is the right size he'll be able to sit cross-legged around the tree for mealtimes and rest face-down to sleep. Not comfortable to be sure, but quite secure.

There will be padlocks on luggage. Survivors should be able to find keys. If they can also locate a chain - possibly in the cargo hold? - they could chain the prisoner's ankle to, say, a big tree. He would be able to move around and somebody could unlock the chain from the tree's end and let him go farther to do his bathroom-related business.

You might also find a purse with the woven cable inside the strap (it's a security feature so thieves can't just cut the purse strap and run with it). That might be useful.

Zip ties, by the way, aren't very difficult to break whether the prisoner's bound with his hands in front of or behind him. I can do it and I'm a lightweight weenie of a woman without a lot of motivation to get free.

I have a few questions about the surrounding situation.

a) What climate zone are they in, and what are the surroundings? Are they in the mountains of Peru, or in a Guadalcanalian valley?

b) What do they have access to? Clothing, shoes, small first aid kit, a life raft, the wreck of a 747?

c) What tools do they have? Knives, saws, hatchets, scissors?

example: temperate climate, spring to fall, wooded area, access to outdoors clothing, a multitool (gerber), handcuffs and the wreck of a small aircraft (cessna caravan).

My experiences with prisoners and prisoner transport (military excercises) have been a bit like the above minus the hand cuffs.

Priorities: The prisoner must not get hold of weapons or tools. The prisoner must not be able to run away or free himself before he can be stopped. The prisoner must be treated in a humane fashion as long as the safety of others is upheld.

To accomplish this, restrain the prisoners mobility. this can be done by simply tying a belt around his ankles, winding a metal wire loosely around his knees in a figure eight pattern, tying his shoelaces together or tying one of his legs to a post hammered into the ground (tree works better).

The point is that if he tries to free himself the guards can hit him with a blunt object until he stops. He will still be able to sit, lie down, kneel and relieve himself in a container.

If the prisoner cannot be guarded, an alternative is to hand cuff him to a part of wreckage. If that is not an option, use of clothing as a restraint is very effective.

You place a post, metal pipe or similar from one sleeve over the back and out the other sleeve, forcing the prisoner to keep his arms straight out. you then secure the post by tying string of some sort around the elbows of the prisoner and in a figure eight under his armpits so the knot is between his shoulderblades.

Even a normal jacket will restrain a strong man and if you cat get a leather jacket or something like that he will have to be incredibly strong to break it.

This can be augmented by pushing pipes , rods or posts down the outside of the prisoners legs, inside his trousers, so that he cannot bend his knees. These can be removed quickly if the prisoner must be moved.

If you have sleeping bags these are great too. Cuff his hands and secure the drawstrings to the outside of the bag, possibly to a tree, and he will be safely tucked away.

A very good way to secure the prisoner for the night is to cuff his hands in front of him, and let him lean against a tree. You then tie a cord, or metal wire in a figure eight around his elbows, and around his back to the other side of the tree. this is not very comfortable, but it does not have to be very tight and the prisoner can spend a couple like this without medical problems.

For a longer period of time, like several weeks, the prisoner must be able to excercise and shift sitting and lying positions.

Google "shibari".

AmsterdamAssassin said:

Google "shibari".

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C|N>KB!

C|N > KB

senka said:

I don't get that... am I supposed to?

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It's an old joke from the time when output from program was linked manually to another to produce results.


Translation:

C = Coke

a|b = Run program b with the result from program a, pronounced a piped through b.

> = redirected, send result to output device

KB = keyboard

Hence, coke piped through nose and redirected to keyboard.

senka said:

but I guess no saws and hatchets?

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If they fly over jungle there might be a small survival kit. (If some of them have military background I would expect one of them to have one as well, with a multitool. We like multitools. )

http://www.preparedpilot.com/all_products.php?osCsid=4eca2a2f3d7f74799f9299448e1a0d0c

http://www.survivalmetrics.com/cat_survivalkits

And pilots usually have some sort of small tool kit with them:

http://forums.jetcareers.com/mx-hangar-p-amt/24282-pilots-tool-kit.html

I agree with Sarah, A good luggage padlock and a chain.

8 weeks in an uncomfortable handcuffed position could maim or kill someone in several ways. Due to causes such as cuts, infection, blood loss, ligature effects etc.

senka said:

@Drachen Jager: They have reasons to not letting him run away. I'd have to post like a summary of half the story if I'd want to explain it properly, but part of the reason for the crash is that they were hunting him and wanted to detain him... and as there is only one possibility to get away from there they do indeed fear he will come back and steal it/murder them and then steal it.

The policewoman is definitely too... well, I'd say she has a too high standart of morals or however to describe it... to leave him in his own waste. Would be totally out of character for her.
For feeding, I don't think he would accept being fed.

I guess handcuffs are the one and only solution, then...?

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Would he be stubborn enough to starve to death before accepting being fed? As for the toilet, pull down his pants when it's time and stick a container under his butt, then pull his pants back up when he's done.

Better to be mean than sorry.