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Smileycat
04-19-2011, 12:32 AM
The article includes an FBI file recently released:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1376533/8-000-cow-abductions-reported-southern-U-S-sent-White-House-panic.html

Excerpt:
Cows were sacrificed by aliens sending the White House into a panic declassified FBI files have revealed.

It is claimed that more than 8,000 cows were abducted by UFOs before they were mutilated and thrown back down to earth over the southern United States during the 1970s.

The memo is one of thousands of previously unreleased classified files that the bureau has made public in a new online resource called The Vault.

Interesting, huh? 8,000 cows!

Sample cow:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/13/article-1376533-0AAF9DFB000005DC-591_306x325.jpg

Poor thing. So cute!

Sarpedon
04-19-2011, 12:55 AM
Most of the so-called cattle 'mutilations' were simply the result of scavengers, which go for the soft bits first.

I suspect 8,000 cows are a miniscule subset of cows who die of natural causes.

I believe the Straight Dope did a debunking of this some time ago.

Williebee
04-19-2011, 12:57 AM
Mod Note:

Since this is neither politics or current events, I feel a shift coming.

Hmmm

-- Williebee

Sarpedon
04-19-2011, 12:58 AM
Difficult choice, isn't it?

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 12:58 AM
Mod Note:

Since this is neither politics or current events, I feel a shift coming.

Hmmm

-- Williebee

But it's recent news, Williebee. Where does that go? Thanks.

Sarpedon
04-19-2011, 01:00 AM
It's recent news concerning old news.

And here's a link to the Straight dope: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/519/whats-the-story-with-cattle-mutilations

veinglory
04-19-2011, 01:04 AM
I read all the FBI files in a fit of time-wastery, and concluded it was the generally the rodents wot done it, along with a few other diseases and vermin.

Captain Scarf
04-19-2011, 01:17 AM
The Daily Mail loves this sort of story. If it's not about aliens you can bet it will be about Nazis.

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 01:19 AM
Most of the so-called cattle 'mutilations' were simply the result of scavengers, which go for the soft bits first.

I suspect 8,000 cows are a miniscule subset of cows who die of natural causes.

I believe the Straight Dope did a debunking of this some time ago.

That isn't actually true, Sarpedon. The skin isn't roughly torn, but neatly cut, with a small scale scalloped edge, which no animal or bird can do. Let me see if I can find a photo or two...

WARNING. Some VERY graphic photos follow:

Some samples:
http://www.santafeghostandhistorytours.com/cowm.html
http://www.wtv-zone.com/WebbieLanDotNet/judy/mutilations/cattle.html

This one also shows what is purported to be a (WARNING - THIS ONE IS REALLY BAD) human mutilation case (1994), as well as cow mutilations:
http://humanbookoflife.blogspot.com/2010/08/human-cow-mutilations-by-ufos.html

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 01:21 AM
The Daily Mail loves this sort of story. If it's not about aliens you can bet it will be about Nazis.

They're not the only ones who got a hold of this FBI file. You can see it yourself at http://vault.fbi.gov/

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 01:22 AM
It's recent news concerning old news.

And here's a link to the Straight dope: http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/519/whats-the-story-with-cattle-mutilations

Recently released news about old news that was never before released. lol

Where should I put it? Thanks.

bettielee
04-19-2011, 01:27 AM
I thought I saw a show that suggested (suggestion only, not proof, and I don't know which show it was or I would linky) but they suggested the expanding gasses inside the body ripped the flesh neatly.

veinglory
04-19-2011, 01:31 AM
That isn't actually true, Sarpedon. The skin isn't roughly torn, but neatly cut, with a small scale scalloped edge, which no animal or bird can do.

Rats. I assure you it looks exactly like that. Rat teeth are insanely sharp and they chew in a way that leaves a sharply punched, serrated edge exactly like that.

veinglory
04-19-2011, 01:33 AM
Recently released news about old news that was never before released. lol

Where should I put it? Thanks.

I don't know why the Mail is late to the party, but those FBI files have been in the public domain via FOA for quite a while.

veinglory
04-19-2011, 01:35 AM
I thought I saw a show that suggested (suggestion only, not proof, and I don't know which show it was or I would linky) but they suggested the expanding gasses inside the body ripped the flesh neatly.

Some of the stomach tears without serration are down to bloat, but the ear, nose and orifice jagged edge cuts can (and have been) well replicated by rodent scavenging. Just as the 'laser cuts' can be produced by dehydration, and the 'weird clear fluid and lack of blood' by decomposition. The lack of footprints is because the rodents are hippies and don't wear big heavy shoes. etc.

KellyAssauer
04-19-2011, 02:11 AM
*shimmers into thread*

Moooooooooooooooo.

*shimmers out of thread*

bettielee
04-19-2011, 02:13 AM
Some of the stomach tears without serration are down to bloat, but the ear, nose and orifice jagged edge cuts can (and have been) well replicated by rodent scavenging. Just as the 'laser cuts' can be produced by dehydration, and the 'weird clear fluid and lack of blood' by decomposition. The lack of footprints is because the rodents are hippies and don't wear big heavy shoes. etc.

goddamned hippy rats

bet they don't pay taxes either

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 02:52 AM
I thought I saw a show that suggested (suggestion only, not proof, and I don't know which show it was or I would linky) but they suggested the expanding gasses inside the body ripped the flesh neatly.

Oh, I remember that. But in some cases the cuts are beautifully made scalloped edges (on a very small scale that you need some kind of magnifying glass to see), which no predator could do with his teeth.

Re: expanding gases - that only happens if conditions are right and if the environment is warm and if it occurs after some time. This does not happen in cold weather or when the animal is found with a few days.

And, let's not forget (couldn't resist using that term), no blood was found. In some cases, it is said the animals were dropped from above. What predator could do that?

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 02:55 AM
*shimmers into thread*

Moooooooooooooooo.

*shimmers out of thread*

Let's have a battle of the 'moo cows!'

I'll start.

http://www.hark.com/clips/tpppqqkvgw-cow-moo

veinglory
04-19-2011, 02:55 AM
But in some cases the cuts are beautifully made scalloped edges (on a very small scale that you need some kind of magnifying glass to see), which no predator could do with his teeth.

Rats, i assure you.

UFO, crypto people are all focused on wolves and bears and other charismatic megafauna. But the pattern they describe and show in photographs is absolutely typical of rodents.

Williebee
04-19-2011, 02:59 AM
Ah, but maybe it was alien rats! Or little white mice.


Frickin' Hitchhikers. :)

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 03:03 AM
Rats. I assure you it looks exactly like that. Rat teeth are insanely sharp and they chew in a way that leaves a sharply punched, serrated edge exactly like that.

The vets said it wasn't animals, vein.

http://www.rense.com/general46/manya.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cattle_mutilation - check under "Physical characteristics"
http://doctorkoontz.com/Contact/Contact/Earthfiles/Animal_Mutilations/Cattle_Mutilation_in_Alberta/index.htm

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 03:06 AM
Rats, i assure you.

UFO, crypto people are all focused on wolves and bears and other charismatic megafauna. But the pattern they describe and show in photographs is absolutely typical of rodents.

No. Read the reports I posted, vein.

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 03:07 AM
Mod Note:

Since this is neither politics or current events, I feel a shift coming.

Hmmm

-- Williebee

Office Party?

KellyAssauer
04-19-2011, 04:14 AM
T-shirts and office lamps available:

http://www.zath.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/alien-abduction-cow-lamp.jpg

veinglory
04-19-2011, 04:19 AM
I did. They didn't properly consider rodents. I don't know much about UFOs or cows or satanists--but I know aaaaall about rats. Rodent dentition fits that pattern perfectly. I even did a recreation back in the 90s when I was in a rat lab. I wrote a book chapter on a subject.

The single best paper on this in my opinion is Nation and Williams 'maggots, mutilations and myth; from the Canadian Veterinary journal. It explains, amongst other things, how some of the most obvious explanations were incorrectly discounted.

Alan Yee
04-19-2011, 04:24 AM
This one also shows what is purported to be a human mutilation case (1994), as well as cow mutilations:
http://humanbookoflife.blogspot.com/2010/08/human-cow-mutilations-by-ufos.html

Oh dear. That was twenty minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Wicked
04-19-2011, 05:09 AM
No one has even mentioned the most highly visible predators yet.

In my experience bugs are the only ones faster to the dinner table than birds.

Magpies, crows, buzzards, vultures.

And they go for the face and the anus, because those soft tissues are the easiest to get at, until the coyotes show up and break through the tough hide for easy access to all the juicy insides.

I grew up on a cattle ranch. One winter was so bad, the pair of eagles that nested by the river started eating one of our calves alive. They would hop along behind it as it struggled through the snow, and picked out bits of it's backside.
Yeah. There's an image of our national symbol you don't really want stuck in your head.

Silver King
04-19-2011, 05:54 AM
...Yeah. There's an image of our national symbol you don't really want stuck in your head.
Ben Franklin was right. The bald eagle is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly.

...he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward...

On the other hand, that describes perfectly so much of the "American Way," especially in recent history, that our forefathers might have been onto something prophetic when they made their selection so many years ago...

KellyAssauer
04-19-2011, 05:59 AM
Judge for yourself at Norfolk Botanical Gardens Eagle Nest Cam:

http://www.norfolkbotanicalgarden.org/e-community/eagle-cam

Where Mom & Dad Eagle raise 3 newly hatched eaglets. (is free)

(warning: Sea Gull dinner not for suitable for queasy tummies)

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 09:29 AM
Oh dear. That was twenty minutes of my life that I will never get back.

Sorry. I'll post a warning.

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 09:32 AM
Rats. I assure you it looks exactly like that. Rat teeth are insanely sharp and they chew in a way that leaves a sharply punched, serrated edge exactly like that.

You seem to be hung up on rats, vein. I kinda think it's funny, actually.

Are you joking around with me?

JimmyB27
04-19-2011, 02:07 PM
I just like the photo caption. "Cattle Star Galactica." :ROFL:

Smileycat
04-19-2011, 02:46 PM
I just like the photo caption. "Cattle Star Galactica." :ROFL:

Funny, Jimmy. :roll:

Diana Hignutt
04-19-2011, 02:48 PM
I thought I saw a program that explained these types of things, as the government secretly testing for reminants of radiation from the early nuclear tests in the region.

However, I have read in largely irreputable sources, that certain aliens bathe in animal blood to eat through their pores.

I have no idea.

It could be rats, or monkeys, or penquins, or aliens, or the Gubberment...

Sydewinder
04-19-2011, 06:15 PM
yeah, the government steals one cow at a time to test radiation and then returns the mutilated corpse as a sort of kick in the face to the rancher who now has to waste their time cleaning it up. OR a technologically advanced race comes to earth and steals cattle to chop up. Both make far more sense than insects, rodents, or human pranksters.

Sarpedon
04-19-2011, 06:20 PM
Nice graphic photos.

Again, I don't see anything 'surgical' about these things. Surgeons don't make huge, round holes in things. They do things like the famous 'Y' incision.

And I recall a cat I used to have, which would catch rabbits, eat the front half of them, and leave the back half, untouched on the doorstep for me to step on. Apparently, the front part is choice, possibly because thats not the shit-containing part.

Vince524
04-19-2011, 07:52 PM
I for one very much believe in Aliens visiting our planet. In fact, if anyone sees them, please let them know they forgot one of their probes.

kayleamay
04-19-2011, 08:17 PM
Hmm....I have I feeling I'll be hearing about this on Coast to Coast. :)

Haggis
04-19-2011, 08:24 PM
Here. Somebody left these next to my kibble.

http://www.negativepositive.org/chupacabra.jpg

Kaiser-Kun
04-19-2011, 08:46 PM
The cow representative issued a declaration:


Mooo-mooo-moo-moo.

It makes sense that they wanted to abduct what they perceived as the smartest lifeforms. I mean, look at cows. They just kinda stand around, get their weed and some *ahem* personal massage from their human caretakers.

Do they rush to pay their taxes? Do they trouble themselves with divorce lawsuits? Immigration laws? Getting their children to college? Buried in debt? Do they? Who's the smarter species? Huh? HUH?!


*gets shot in the butt with a tranquilizer dart*

kayleamay
04-19-2011, 08:56 PM
I think conspiracy theories should have their own forum.

cattle mutalations
crop circles
alien abductions
UFOs
planet X
chupacabras
chem trails
the reptilian agenda
illuminati
ancient giants
star seeding
Mel's hole



...there's more. Just give me a minute.

Haggis
04-19-2011, 08:59 PM
I think conspiracy theories should have their own forum.

cattle mutalations
crop circles
alien abductions
UFOs
planet X
chupacabras
chem trails
the reptilian agenda
illuminati
ancient giants
star seeding
Mel's hole



...there's more. Just give me a minute.

The NASA representative will be here shortly to move this thread to its own forum.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/Damnhaggis/spacebat_astronaut.jpg?t=1303232312

kayleamay
04-19-2011, 09:06 PM
Pfft. Like we can trust NASA. (http://www.rense.com/general68/nasaisnt.htm)

kayleamay
04-19-2011, 09:37 PM
The theory that I am a government agent with an objective to spread disinformation is totally fabricated.

This message has been brought to you by COINTELPRO.

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 02:01 AM
I thought I saw a program that explained these types of things, as the government secretly testing for reminants of radiation from the early nuclear tests in the region.

However, I have read in largely irreputable sources, that certain aliens bathe in animal blood to eat through their pores.

I have no idea.

It could be rats, or monkeys, or penquins, or aliens, or the Gubberment...

It's definitely not predatory animals. I've heard it explained by animal experts so many times (via live lectures, videos or documentaries) that animals are out of the equation. I have heard people say these dead carcasses are often dropped from above (broken bones/frozen/hard ground, etc.), which means it's either our government or aliens. I saw an excellent documentary several years ago where the 'culprit' was our own government. Very believable. See The Cattle Files here until 4/29/11 - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8144605253027126134# (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8144605253027126134). But, then again, there have been eyewitnesses that saw some sort of flying or hovering object near where the carcasses are found. I say, maybe they were government craft, jury rigged to look like UFOs? It's possible.

Here's another documentary you can look at online: 7 parts - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-Hn9t5X9x0&feature=related

The only thing I really do rule out in many of these cases is animals. Of course, I am sure predatory animals take advantage of sick or singular cows and eat them, but those are not the ones I am talking about here.

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 02:09 AM
I thought I saw a program that explained these types of things, as the government secretly testing for reminants of radiation from the early nuclear tests in the region.

However, I have read in largely irreputable sources, that certain aliens bathe in animal blood to eat through their pores.

I have no idea.

It could be rats, or monkeys, or penquins, or aliens, or the Gubberment...

I think you also saw The Cattle Files, which I posted a link to just above this post, Diana!

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 02:12 AM
Let's not forget the chucarabre...

(sometimes confused with Haggis on a bender) ;)

Ew! Some people say that is just a mangy coyote, but others say it had red eyes, a 'fin-like' spine down it's back, really big fangs, etc., so who knows. I like this weird stuff, though! :e2cookie:

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 02:13 AM
yeah, the government steals one cow at a time to test radiation and then returns the mutilated corpse as a sort of kick in the face to the rancher who now has to waste their time cleaning it up. OR a technologically advanced race comes to earth and steals cattle to chop up. Both make far more sense than insects, rodents, or human pranksters.

Glad you agree! :ROFL:

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 02:14 AM
Nice graphic photos.

Again, I don't see anything 'surgical' about these things. Surgeons don't make huge, round holes in things. They do things like the famous 'Y' incision.

And I recall a cat I used to have, which would catch rabbits, eat the front half of them, and leave the back half, untouched on the doorstep for me to step on. Apparently, the front part is choice, possibly because thats not the shit-containing part.

No teeth marks
no blood
clean incisions

not bothering you, huh?

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 02:17 AM
Here. Somebody left these next to my kibble.

http://www.negativepositive.org/chupacabra.jpg


:evil

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 02:18 AM
The cow representative issued a declaration:

It makes sense that they wanted to abduct what they perceived as the smartest lifeforms. I mean, look at cows. They just kinda stand around, get their weed and some *ahem* personal massage from their human caretakers.

Do they rush to pay their taxes? Do they trouble themselves with divorce lawsuits? Immigration laws? Getting their children to college? Buried in debt? Do they? Who's the smarter species? Huh? HUH?!


*gets shot in the butt with a tranquilizer dart*

Cute, Kaiser.

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 02:19 AM
The NASA representative will be here shortly to move this thread to its own forum.

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o15/Damnhaggis/spacebat_astronaut.jpg?t=1303232312


:roll:

Williebee
04-20-2011, 02:40 AM
I have heard people say these dead carcasses are often dropped from above (broken bones/frozen/hard ground, etc.), which means it's either our government or aliens.

Or a group of moneyed rednecks with a couple of 12 packs and a pilot's license.

veinglory
04-20-2011, 02:50 AM
No teeth marks
no blood
clean incisions

not bothering you, huh?

There are (very small) teeth mark. When cattle are scavenged after death they don't bleed. Rats make clean incisions. What happens to these cows is identical to what has happened to human corpses who die inside and are rodent chewed, sometime by wild and sometimes pet rodents, in one memorable case a hamster.

bettielee
04-20-2011, 02:51 AM
There are (very small) teeth mark. When cattle are scavenged after death they don't bleed. Rats make clean incisions. What happens to these cows is identical to what ha happened to human corpses who die inside and are rodents chewed, sometime by wild and sometimes pet rodents.

I think you are determined to paint rats in a bad light.

oh... wait.

Bubonic plague. My bad.

Never forget!!

Ambrosia
04-20-2011, 03:00 AM
I think if a species has the intelligence and sophistication to attain space flight outside their own solar system, find another inhabited planet, and directly interact with said inhabitants, that species is advanced enough not to mutilate cattle, or stick probes up people's butts.

Incisions? Barbaric.

veinglory
04-20-2011, 03:02 AM
Actually i love rats-- :) but a rat's gotta eat and anything that lies still long enough is on their menu.

Ambrosia
04-20-2011, 03:06 AM
Actually i love rats-- :) but a rat's gotta eat and anything that lies still long enough is on their menu.

And sometimes things that aren't still long enough, too. :eek:

Wicked
04-20-2011, 03:30 AM
OMG! I know those guys!
.


I think I used to be neighbors with those guys.


Since we're playing guessing games, can anyone tell me what did this?
The tail is in the same shape as the ears. Both are shredded.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2352/lioncownl7.jpg

The second link in post #9 is total bunk. It looks like every dead cow we ever had on our place. The "coring out" of the anus was text book bird activity. Along with the missing tongue and damage to the face.
The way the cows responded to the dead cow? Exactly how cows act when they encounter something dead. Buffalo react the same way, but are more likely to gore you to death just for being not-a-buffalo and in the vicinity of their dead kin.

The article writer's assertion that the cattle were not responding normally because they weren't "bawling"? I can only guess that her background in animal behavior came from watching episodes of "Rawhide" on WGN.

*I debated addressing the link. My son advised me "not to be bitchy on the internet". But that one was just driving me crazy because it was the least credible of all of them.

Some of the other links did have some examples that looked man-made. One struck me as most likely some jackass wanting to make a quick buck, so he poaches a bull thinking that he can pass off the penis as something exotic on the black market. It would be worth a whole lot more cash than a pile of T-bone steaks.

Ambrosia
04-20-2011, 04:18 AM
<snip>
Since we're playing guessing games, can anyone tell me what did this?
The tail is in the same shape as the ears. Both are shredded.


Land piranhas.

Wicked
04-20-2011, 04:22 AM
Land piranhas.


:roll: :ROFL:

You know what the state trapper told us it was? A "snaggle-toothed coyote". Personally, I find your suggestion more credible.
Of course the man spent so much time in the bottle, I bet he told our neighbors it was Sasquatch riding a pink elephant.

The true culprit revealed its self a week later, when it went after the horses.

Wicked
04-20-2011, 04:38 AM
I apologize to everyone if I came off as condescending in my earlier post. For some reason I'm a snarly grouch today. :(

Ambrosia
04-20-2011, 04:43 AM
No. The snarly grouch today was me. There can not be two of us in the world... it would implode.

Silver King
04-20-2011, 04:47 AM
I apologize to everyone if I came off as condescending in my earlier post...
I didn't read it that way at all, and I'm pretty good at spotting when it happens.

ETA: Now Ambrosia, on the other hand... ;)

Ambrosia
04-20-2011, 04:49 AM
I didn't read it that way at all, and I'm pretty good at spotting when it happens.

ETA: Now Ambrosia, on the other hand... ;)
:ROFL:

Haggis
04-20-2011, 04:53 AM
Or a group of moneyed rednecks with a couple of 12 packs and a pilot's license.

"Hey, Bubba. Gimme that there helium birthday balloon and watch this...."


Actually i love rats-- :) but a rat's gotta eat and anything that lies still long enough is on their menu.
And a hungry dog's gonna have dinner if it's around. If you know what I mean.

Haggis
04-20-2011, 05:25 AM
I can tell you what didn't do it...
and that it's not an Angus:

http://img5.visualizeus.com/thumbs/fb/24/animals,dog,food,funny-fb2410a451f65a28c18460fb0629aa18_m.jpg

Those are already spoken for...
Those cheeseburgers used to be an 83 year old retired teacher from Skokie.

Just sayin'.

Victoria
04-20-2011, 06:13 AM
I think you are determined to paint rats in a bad light.

oh... wait.

Bubonic plague. My bad.

Never forget!!

Nah, that was fleas, rat fleas. Poor rats keep getting a bad rap. Are there rats out in the country? I only ask cuz I thought they were mostly city dwellers. Mice, sure, but rats? I didn't know that.

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 12:24 PM
Or a group of moneyed rednecks with a couple of 12 packs and a pilot's license.

I admit it. I missed that possibility...

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 12:42 PM
There are (very small) teeth mark. When cattle are scavenged after death they don't bleed. Rats make clean incisions. What happens to these cows is identical to what has happened to human corpses who die inside and are rodent chewed, sometime by wild and sometimes pet rodents, in one memorable case a hamster.

You are very persistent, which is a good thing, vein.


Rat teeth marks:

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRP703cnyljjnQthhZ6NErl9Dsv7Cfxj 1uj535jZpZTU5CAf3Ks&t=1
http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/0624-wires-bones/8201005-1-eng-US/0624-wires-bones_full_380.jpghttp://www.cascadepest.com/photos/rodents/abilities1.jpg

Gnawings. The incisor teeth of rats grow 4 to 5 Inches a year, so these rodents must do some gnawing each day to keep their teeth short enough to use. Rats also gnaw to gain entrance and to obtain food. When gnawings in wood are fresh, they are light colored and show distinct teeth marks. Small chips of wood or other materials indicate recent gnawing. With age, wood gnawings become dark and smooth from weathering and from frequent contact with the rodent's body.
from http://www.killum.com/pests/pests-rodents-recognizingsigns.htm

Inconsistent with those pictures I linked to, right?

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 12:44 PM
I think you are determined to paint rats in a bad light.

oh... wait.

Bubonic plague. My bad.

Never forget!!


lol

I think he wants to watch Ben.

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 12:46 PM
I think if a species has the intelligence and sophistication to attain space flight outside their own solar system, find another inhabited planet, and directly interact with said inhabitants, that species is advanced enough not to mutilate cattle, or stick probes up people's butts.

Incisions? Barbaric.

Off topic! lol

Why are there no aliens abducting cute little smilie people smilies?? Mods!

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 12:52 PM
I think I used to be neighbors with those guys.


Since we're playing guessing games, can anyone tell me what did this?
The tail is in the same shape as the ears. Both are shredded.
http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2352/lioncownl7.jpg

The second link in post #9 is total bunk. It looks like every dead cow we ever had on our place. The "coring out" of the anus was text book bird activity. Along with the missing tongue and damage to the face.
The way the cows responded to the dead cow? Exactly how cows act when they encounter something dead. Buffalo react the same way, but are more likely to gore you to death just for being not-a-buffalo and in the vicinity of their dead kin.

The article writer's assertion that the cattle were not responding normally because they weren't "bawling"? I can only guess that her background in animal behavior came from watching episodes of "Rawhide" on WGN.

*I debated addressing the link. My son advised me "not to be bitchy on the internet". But that one was just driving me crazy because it was the least credible of all of them.

Some of the other links did have some examples that looked man-made. One struck me as most likely some jackass wanting to make a quick buck, so he poaches a bull thinking that he can pass off the penis as something exotic on the black market. It would be worth a whole lot more cash than a pile of T-bone steaks.

First, to answer your question - it's a cow... dude.

As far as the 2nd link - it was part of a MUFON report. MUFON used to investigate these reports thoroughly, although I cannot vouch for this case, so maybe you're partly right.

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 12:54 PM
I apologize to everyone if I came off as condescending in my earlier post. For some reason I'm a snarly grouch today. :(

It's okay. I have come off that way, too, when it was never intended.

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 12:58 PM
Nah, that was fleas, rat fleas. Poor rats keep getting a bad rap. Are there rats out in the country? I only ask cuz I thought they were mostly city dwellers. Mice, sure, but rats? I didn't know that.

Do you differentiate between rats and mice? I ask because of the spread of the Hantavirus in the southwest around the turn of the century. Not sure if it was just mice or both mice and rats!

Ambrosia
04-20-2011, 10:51 PM
Off topic! lol

Why are there no aliens abducting cute little smilie people smilies?? Mods!

Au contraire. How is talking about how I feel a more advanced race would actually perform a surgery off topic? I don't believe such beings would use scalpels (or rats teeth) to open a hole and kill an animal to examine it. Or, drop it from an airplane. These are barbaric methods that any sufficiently advanced race would have left behind centuries ago. Thus, the mutilations of the cattle on Earth have some other explanation.

An explanation for the article in the newspaper that you linked to is that they want to sell papers and the article is nonsense. This is what the FBI The Vault (http://vault.fbi.gov/Animal%20Mutilation) site says concerning animal mutilations, bolding mine:


Animal/Cattle Mutilation

In the mid-1970s, reports of scattered animal mutilations in western and mid-western states concerned many people. The FBI was asked to investigate, but was unable to do so because of a lack of jurisdiction (except when such mutilations were found on Indian lands). These files consist mainly of press clippings and correspondence concerning the issues between 1974 and 1978.

Smileycat
04-20-2011, 11:34 PM
Au contraire. How is talking about how I feel a more advanced race would actually perform a surgery off topic? I don't believe such beings would use scalpels (or rats teeth) to open a hole and kill an animal to examine it. Or, drop it from an airplane. These are barbaric methods that any sufficiently advanced race would have left behind centuries ago. Thus, the mutilations of the cattle on Earth have some other explanation.

An explanation for the article in the newspaper that you linked to is that they want to sell papers and the article is nonsense. This is what the FBI The Vault (http://vault.fbi.gov/Animal%20Mutilation) site says concerning animal mutilations, bolding mine:

You don't actually believe our government, do you?

Ambrosia
04-20-2011, 11:49 PM
Not blindly, no. Neither do I believe all conspiracy theories. Nor newspaper articles.

I believe in an independent investigation of truth. If you add all the evidence presented together, it is likely that some of the incidents of cattle mutilation were done by people. But there is no evidence it was done by extraterrestrials. Which is not to say I don't believe in extraterrestrials. My belief, or non-belief, in extraterrestrials visiting our planet doesn't change the facts that have been presented. Nor the logical conclusion that advanced life-forms would have no reason to mutilate cattle. Nor fly a helicopter over the mutilated corpses of said cattle, nor chase people who came out to investigate. It doesn't make sense.


ETA: The Vault, of which I quoted and linked, is what the newspaper you quoted said it is basing its article on. Just to be clear.

Victoria
04-21-2011, 04:04 AM
Do you differentiate between rats and mice?

Well, yeah cuz they ain't the same animule.