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This is exactly how I feel. I'm a Christian and, morally, according to my religion, I think having sex outside of the union between a man and a woman is wrong. I also think divorce is morally wrong. Homosexual marriage is not my battle, so I'm not going to go out with signs and whatnot, but I'm not going to stand in anyone's way, either. This is America; if enough people want to make something law, and it's not unconstitutional, then it happens.
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Just for clarification: Is it the sex outside of marriage that you object to? Or non-hetero sex on the whole? I can't remember whether the Bible makes a distinction.
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These easy statements of argumentum ad populum are exactly what our community is fighting to overcome. Just because the interpretation of the Christian Bible that determines homosexuality to be a sin is the most popular one doesn't mean it's the only or best interpretation. So no, you aren't against homosexual marriage because "you are a Christian." You are against it because of how you choose to interpret your religion. A "choice" that I've definitely never had in my "interpretation" of my sexuality.
On the subject, I personally agree with what Reverend Tutu had to say: "We treat [QUILTBAGs] as pariahs and push them outside our communities. We make them doubt that they too are children of God – and this must be nearly the ultimate blasphemy. We blame them for what they are."
If only. When it applies to gays, more like: This is America; if enough people morally oppose something that is found to be constitutional, we change the constitution.
Indeed.
Last month I had shellfish for dinner at a buffet. The eating of shellfish, according to the bible, is an abomination. I guess I'm going to Hell, because God hates shrimp.
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com/
REPENT, SINNERS!
EDIT: Okay, I'm going to try to explain without getting into a big debate or lecture.
This is a forum that's supposed to be a fairly safe place for QLTBAG people. We get constantly hurt by people around us, especially people who say the most hurtful things about our morality or relationship with God. This is one of the places we go where we know that we won't be judged or condemned by others.
You're coming here and saying this stuff to us. You're basically saying that I'm not a real Christian, that I'm immoral, and that you don't care what happens to me or how I feel because "it's not your battle." And then you kinda post it in a tone like you think you're being nice because of that, and that we should praise you for not outright trying to have us thrown in jail or something.
Do you not realize how this is hurtful? I honestly don't think you meant to be hurtful or offensive, but please, stop.
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It's so nice to see someone really change their mind. It helps to remind that you can change, that people can come around to more charitable points of view. It gives hope.
What really really irks me (and I'm a straight woman with a lesbian daughter) is the term "gay marriage". Really? REALLY? When, I ask you, when have you ever heard people calling it "straight marriage". I was straight married on May 27th, to my straight lover.
However, everyone and their dog says "I support/oppose gay marriage" "gay lover" "gay this" "gay that". I hate the distinction since it makes the UNSAID assumption that the "norm" is the straight version. Its just marriage. lovers. not gay or straight.
Its a soapbox for me. But damn it irks me to see people ranting against "gay marriage".
I think everyone has a born right to love whoever they want whenever they want and however they want.
However, everyone and their dog says "I support/oppose gay marriage" "gay lover" "gay this" "gay that". I hate the distinction since it makes the UNSAID assumption that the "norm" is the straight version. Its just marriage. lovers. not gay or straight.
Its a soapbox for me. But damn it irks me to see people ranting against "gay marriage".
I think everyone has a born right to love whoever they want whenever they want and however they want.
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I think that, until we do live in that kind of an ideal world, there's nothing wrong with making that distinction -- for clarity as well as other reasons. Unfortunately, people do assume that couple/lover/anything = straight. Many gay people don't want that assumption to be made about them. Refusing to point it out can make a (political) point, and it's one I value, but at the same time, it often means less visibility.
Besides, it's a part of our identity; we take pride in it. And I just don't feel quite comfortable policing how people describe themselves and their own situations.
When it's done by straight people, I think it depends on context. In the context of wanting to legalize gay marriage, it's kind of hard to just call it marriage, since the distinction is part of the issue. In the context of something entirely unrelated, then yes, it can be weird to point it out, but... I think it depends.
I mean, I see your point and I don't outright disagree, but I think it's a little more nuanced than that.
Though none of that stopped me from totally adoring this quote: http://bit.ly/gt31F3
Besides, it's a part of our identity; we take pride in it. And I just don't feel quite comfortable policing how people describe themselves and their own situations.
When it's done by straight people, I think it depends on context. In the context of wanting to legalize gay marriage, it's kind of hard to just call it marriage, since the distinction is part of the issue. In the context of something entirely unrelated, then yes, it can be weird to point it out, but... I think it depends.
I mean, I see your point and I don't outright disagree, but I think it's a little more nuanced than that.
Though none of that stopped me from totally adoring this quote: http://bit.ly/gt31F3
I think that, until we do live in that kind of an ideal world, there's nothing wrong with making that distinction -- for clarity as well as other reasons. Unfortunately, people do assume that couple/lover/anything = straight. Many gay people don't want that assumption to be made about them. Refusing to point it out can make a (political) point, and it's one I value, but at the same time, it often means less visibility.
Besides, it's a part of our identity; we take pride in it. And I just don't feel quite comfortable policing how people describe themselves and their own situations.
When it's done by straight people, I think it depends on context. In the context of wanting to legalize gay marriage, it's kind of hard to just call it marriage, since the distinction is part of the issue. In the context of something entirely unrelated, then yes, it can be weird to point it out, but... I think it depends.
I mean, I see your point and I don't outright disagree, but I think it's a little more nuanced than that.
Though none of that stopped me from totally adoring this quote: http://bit.ly/gt31F3
That is utterly fabulous.
ETA: Originally this post was me being all defensive, but honestly, I'm really sorry if I hurt or offended anyone and I'll just stay out of it from now on. I saw this post under "new posts" and I assumed it was in P&CE.
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