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Invaders
02-14-2011, 12:04 PM
So... About once a month I get hit by a wave of detailed inspiration and am now like ten books behind on my writing efforts. Rather then let the ideas go stale, or even worse, be conceptualized and applied by someone else in tune with the same aspects of the times, I'm on the market to co-write the following projects:

1. Space Opera - Delany/Le Guin style (one self-contained volume)

2. Paranormal alternate reality period (circa 1900) steam punk adventure with domina protagonist (possibly pilot of series)

3. Epic international thriller - saving civilization as we know it from a mole&NLP conspiracy sown by the soviets in the 1980's

4. Psychological conspiracy/terrorist/army buddy thriller -includes mystical staff (one self-contained volume)

5. YA - Stine meets Star Trek series of novellas. Pilot and framework of another ready. Preparing about 4 novellas should be enough to go on the market with

6. Horror/thriller - Jaws/Crichton style+the usual Psycho elements, no paranormal. (one self-contained volume)

Proposed method of work:

1. I send the plot summary and character bible. Partner returns with opinions, proposals. I agree or disagree.

2. I send a detailed plot arc, each chapter described by a few sentences. Partner returns with opinions, proposals. I agree or disagree.

3. Partner writes draft of first three chapters. I look and see how things are working out and whether the style that is appearing demands any major tweaking of the plot or characters.

4. Partner completes draft, I read and send back with recommendations concerning the fleshing out

5. Partner fleshes out manuscript. We both edit and proofread. Then we send the manuscript out, have it picked up, become quite successful, live happily ever after. Money split 50 - 50. Worries about rip-offs should be offset by the massive paper (email) trail of working together, possibly exchange of snailmail signed pledges.

So, come one come all, pick a project and get the details. Meanwhile, I'll be working on my other projects

BarbaraKE
02-14-2011, 12:46 PM
Do I understand this correctly?

You provide the idea and character list and make recommendations, then help edit and proofread after the other person actually writes the book?

Sounds like you're looking for a ghostwriter, not a writing partner.

Invaders
02-14-2011, 03:48 PM
Thank you for the question, barbarake,

I'll go with the wiki definition: "A ghostwriter is a professional writer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writer) who is paid to write books, articles, stories, reports, or other texts that are officially credited to another person. Celebrities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity), executives, and political leaders often hire ghostwriters to draft or edit autobiographies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobiography), magazine articles, or other written material."

:D I ain't a celebrity, no one get paid before the project is picked up by a publisher, the credit goes to both. For example Eric Flint co-writes on the receiving end of such deals, while J.Patterson is in the idea-generating end like me, although much older and not an unknown beginner with delusions of grandeur. In both cases the other partner is credited.

But, should anyone want to participate, they are welcome to call themselves anything they want to: ghostwriters, ghoulwriters, zombieauthors, vampirescribblers, ferretpoets...

BarbaraKE
02-14-2011, 04:15 PM
Not to burst your bubble but...you're kidding, right??

Undercover
02-14-2011, 04:19 PM
Yeah, I agree with Barb here, it's a ghostwriter you want. Anyone can come up with ideas. And to write a story just to see if you like it and will accept it? Geez...and not get paid for it either? Seems a little not fair in my opinion.

But good luck in finding someone that is ummm...so excited about your ideas.

cryaegm
02-14-2011, 04:49 PM
Thank you for the question, barbarake,

I'll go with the wiki definition: "A ghostwriter is a professional writer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writer) who is paid to write books, articles, stories, reports, or other texts that are officially credited to another person. Celebrities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrity), executives, and political leaders often hire ghostwriters to draft or edit autobiographies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobiography), magazine articles, or other written material."

:D I ain't a celebrity, no one get paid before the project is picked up by a publisher, the credit goes to both. For example Eric Flint co-writes on the receiving end of such deals, while J.Patterson is in the idea-generating end like me, although much older and not an unknown beginner with delusions of grandeur. In both cases the other partner is credited.

But, should anyone want to participate, they are welcome to call themselves anything they want to: ghostwriters, ghoulwriters, zombieauthors, vampirescribblers, ferretpoets...
That's pretty much ghostwriting, what you're asking for.

I wouldn't go with Wikipedia for a source. People can edit it all the damn time. It's not always very credible. Use a damn dictionary if you're going to give the definition of ghostwriting.

Also, ghostwriting is a pretty acceptable term. Don't go brushing it off by saying, "they are welcome to call themselves anything they want to: ghostwriters, ghoulwriters, zombieauthors...." because that's pretty much making fun of anyone who ghostwrites. It may have been in good fun, but it's ill form.

Here's a better definition:

": to write for and in the name of another" (ghostwrite (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ghostwrite))

Basically, they're writing for you, in your name, even if both might have the name on it. You're still taking credit from it when you didn't write anything. It may still be your idea, but the book was ghostwritten by another person (a lot of times, people will know if it's ghostwritten or not, anyway).

And if you really want to cowrite with someone, then you have to put your leg into it, too. That doesn't mean getting the writer past the writer's block. You have to write, too.

Undercover
02-14-2011, 04:55 PM
You have to write, too.


Hear! Hear! And exactly that. There's got to be a better incentive here, otherwise you'll stay in limbo with your own writing. Like Cry said, it would be different if it was a collaborative effort.

RobJ
02-14-2011, 05:42 PM
So... About once a month I get hit by a wave of detailed inspiration and am now like ten books behind on my writing efforts. Rather then let the ideas go stale, or even worse, be conceptualized and applied by someone else in tune with the same aspects of the times, I'm on the market to co-write the following projects:

1. Space Opera - Delany/Le Guin style (one self-contained volume)

2. Paranormal alternate reality period (circa 1900) steam punk adventure with domina protagonist (possibly pilot of series)

3. Epic international thriller - saving civilization as we know it from a mole&NLP conspiracy sown by the soviets in the 1980's

4. Psychological conspiracy/terrorist/army buddy thriller -includes mystical staff (one self-contained volume)

5. YA - Stine meets Star Trek series of novellas. Pilot and framework of another ready. Preparing about 4 novellas should be enough to go on the market with

6. Horror/thriller - Jaws/Crichton style+the usual Psycho elements, no paranormal. (one self-contained volume)

Proposed method of work:

1. I send the plot summary and character bible. Partner returns with opinions, proposals. I agree or disagree.

2. I send a detailed plot arc, each chapter described by a few sentences. Partner returns with opinions, proposals. I agree or disagree.

3. Partner writes draft of first three chapters. I look and see how things are working out and whether the style that is appearing demands any major tweaking of the plot or characters.

4. Partner completes draft, I read and send back with recommendations concerning the fleshing out

5. Partner fleshes out manuscript. We both edit and proofread. Then we send the manuscript out, have it picked up, become quite successful, live happily ever after. Money split 50 - 50. Worries about rip-offs should be offset by the massive paper (email) trail of working together, possibly exchange of snailmail signed pledges.

So, come one come all, pick a project and get the details. Meanwhile, I'll be working on my other projects
Perhaps you could tell us more about yourself and your own writing experience. All we have to go on so far is that you're ten books behind with your own writing. What's your background? Have you had anything published? Do you have any work online that you could link to so that we can read it? Do you have a day job? Are you a student? How much time will you be able to commit to this?

Invaders
02-14-2011, 07:17 PM
(due to popular demand, point 7 is not deleted)

7. Time and effort: If I give one fifth of my strength and focus to a partnership project, with the partner providing the other four fifth, then I’ll be giving six fifths in all to make two books, while someone else will be giving four fifths to make one book. Or, half a book, royalty and credit wise.


There, how about that then? Oh, ferretpoet, where art thou?

BarbaraKE
02-15-2011, 04:17 AM
<snip>
At present, three novels means for me about half a year, maybe more.
<snip>


You write a novel in two months?

Interesting.

Chase
02-15-2011, 04:29 AM
The creative math in item seven sold me!

Brutal Mustang
02-15-2011, 05:43 AM
Invaders, why don't you learn to write, and write the books yourself? 99.9% of capable writers have their own ideas ... in fact, they probably have more ideas than you, because writing begets more ideas. See, unless you pay someone well, there is nothing in if for them. They'd rather write their own ideas.

Ideas are a dime a dozen.

Execution of ideas, long hours at the books researching, and weeks on the keyboard are platinum.

JoNightshade
02-15-2011, 05:49 AM
:roll:

BarbaraKE
02-15-2011, 06:05 AM
7. Time and effort: If I give one fifth of my strength and focus to a partnership project, with the partner providing the other four fifth, then I’ll be giving six fifths in all to make two books, while someone else will be giving four fifths to make one book. Or, half a book, royalty and credit wise.


The creative math in item seven sold me!

I had to read it a couple of times but I see what he means.

He writes one book on his own (100% or 5/5ths) and 'co-writes' another (where he puts in 1/5th) totally 6/5ths. He ends up with two books, author on one and co-author on the other.

What the original poster doesn't seem to realize is that what he's offering (basic idea and guidance) isn't 1/5th. It's maybe 1/20th (and the easiest 1/20th at that).

Ideas are a dime a dozen. Writers write because they have their own ideas which they want to share with others. Sitting down and actually writing the thing is the hard part (coincidently enough, that's the part the original poster wants to avoid).

veinglory
02-15-2011, 06:18 AM
I have an idea for a song about being really sad because someone I love left me. All I need is someone to write the word and melody and then record it, oh and I want to make them change any bits I don't like.

When do you think I will started getting my royalties?

sunandshadow
02-15-2011, 06:19 AM
o.O Hell, if I could get someone to write my ideas for me, I wouldn't ask for any of the rights or proceeds, I'd just enjoy reading the results.

cbenoi1
02-15-2011, 06:31 AM
I have an idea for a song about being really sad because someone I love left me. All I need is someone to write the word and melody and then record it, oh and I want to make them change any bits I don't like.
I'd need your address to FedEX the Grammy.
:roll:
My thoughts exactly.

-cb

Invaders
02-15-2011, 07:32 AM
I remember when I was but a fledging wanker, I really believed in the shining promise of the 'get to meet people' websites, where users would fill out forms about themselves, turn-ons, turn-offs, photos of sculpted dudes on beaches, MILFS with masks and teen girls with tilted heads and enormous shades. Young, naďve, full of hopes, I could taste the titties I would be sucking on by this time mańana.

There was a conspicuous lack of success in site number one, so I registered in site number two… number three… number four… It took me some times, but I did eventually figure out what was going on. Although the stated purpose of each of the websites was to let people get to know each other, then meet each other, then suck each other’s appendages, the real purpose was to maintain a cash flow dependant on number of hits and users.

Thus a herd quality of people was subtly utilized: although they joined in order to go find some loving, they quickly ended up spending their time accumulating points, likes, a vip status, a mega-vip status, in short they got sucked, but not by a warm mouth, but rather into the local hierarchy scene. They started hanging out and gossiping with other virtual buddies, sharing photos, discussing newcomers, the veterans becoming the local opinion makers, cliques were formed. The initial goal of quickly finding someone to bonk quickly receded into the background, buried under an avalanche of social activities in a new arena.

Apparently this happens with any social website, whatever the stated purpose. It may be a site for finding brick-laying materials, this changes nothing, a newbie will appear, get some quick sizing up and virtual clawing out of eyes just to be shown how things work here, and then, oh the joy of figuring out the unspoken rules, of being accepted… Who needs brick-laying materials, now that Patriot_1776 and Wolfmoonkid are my friends?

When a corporation decides to seriously implement this mechanism, like with Authonomy, the results are wonderful. Gentlemen, ladies, we are swamped by submissions by untalanted losers and bitter morons. I say: let them fight it out in the arena – and each month only the ones who really don’t have a life and are so good at cajoling others that they should in fact be door to door salesmen, will reach us. On the downside, we will have to publish at least once a year something unpublishable, but think of all the benefits…

Dear Wolfmoonkid, welcome to Authonomy. Your work was wonderful, I read this so quickly, the characters were so real, I was hooked right away, my children also loved it, my parents loved it, the street bum I read bits to loved it, my long dead greatgranpa loved it (I could tell by the way the cups moved), I think I’ll see your book soon in a Barn’o’Peasant, now please back the book of Owen M. and in return I’ll get two other people to put your book on their shelves for two days, deal?

My first contact with the Writer Cooler was in the section of publishers and agents feedbacks and bewares.
This really revived my faith in the decency of the self-organized humankind, yea, virtual anarchic syndicalism will yet save the world…

But wait, perhaps, someone with whom to work together, a ferretpoet can be found here too? Perhaps this is the one place where the users will not be bitter wankers, nor local opinion-making losers who need to prove themselves by clawing my eyes out, but will really behave in the manner expected from the stated purposes of the relevant sections? They will either like or ignore my proposal, or give reasonable advice, just that; maybe if I just come right in, maybe even right now, try to brush off minor character attacks with good grace, make some funny self-depreciative noises to keep the venom of the native lurkers from boiling over… Perhaps then?

(And now for a frustrated fit) You wait and see! I’ll come back and buy this town! You’ll all be sorry once you all work for me! I’ll have a mansion thiiiiiis big! I’ll entertain the prince of Persia every Thursday, mark my words! Oh yeah! And what’s more! There’s more!

Karen Junker
02-15-2011, 07:39 AM
Invaders, you may have to learn to make friends first before anyone will be helpful in a way that you might find useful.

I'm one of those writers who never has any good ideas. Getting a good idea is like pulling teeth to me. I rely on my writing partners to help me out with that.

Good luck with your project!

Kitty Pryde
02-15-2011, 07:40 AM
To be honest, you are one of many, many, many people to post in the forums offering to give their story ideas for free to another writer who will do the hideously hard work of writing them down to enjoy the marvelous prize of 50% of the profit. It doesn't make any sense, because any writer capable of writing a novel has more ideas than they could ever possibly write in a lifetime. So in conclusion:

Value of an idea=very low, lower than the proverbial dime a dozen
Value of a 'co-writing' deal in which one person does all the writing for half the benefit=ditto

It's not a matter of anyone being cruel to you, just reality.

Invaders
02-15-2011, 08:30 AM
To be honest, you are one of many, many, many people to post in the forums offering to give their story ideas for free to another writer who will do the hideously hard work of writing them down to enjoy the marvelous prize of 50% of the profit. It doesn't make any sense, because any writer capable of writing a novel has more ideas than they could ever possibly write in a lifetime. So in conclusion:

Value of an idea=very low, lower than the proverbial dime a dozen
Value of a 'co-writing' deal in which one person does all the writing for half the benefit=ditto

It's not a matter of anyone being cruel to you, just reality.

You mean like this?
Taken from: http://www.deankoontz.com/mr-murder-from-the-author/

[The second most frequently asked question posed to every writer by readers (hereinafter “The Question”) is Where do you get your ideas? ... A third of the time, the reader will not sincerely care where the writer gets his ideas; he has asked The Question only as a prelude to pitching an idea of his own, which he wants the target novelist to write for him. Frequently, this is not a genuine reader; he has not read a novel since some well-meaning teacher destroyed his love of literature by subjecting him to Silas Marner in the eighth grade; he is instead a person who fantasizes about being a writer (hereinafter “The Megalomaniac”). “My idea is yours for nothing,” The Megalomaniac often says. “All I want is to have my name on the cover.” As often, he will instead say, “All I want for the idea is half the income.”
....The biggest idea I was ever offered came at a cocktail party where a gentleman stipulated that he wanted only “a reasonable commission,” and then announced, “I’ve got a whole new genre of fiction that’ll make you the richest guy in publishing.” I always explain that I can put in the long hours and the hard work to write a novel only when I’m passionate about a story and that I’m only passionate about stories that arise in my own—admittedly strange—head. This gentleman, like every other bearer of big ideas, ignored me and then gave me the shortest pitch I’d ever received, describing his new genre in seven words: “Tom Clancy without all the military stuff.” That was it. He had no more. He was intellectually exhausted, and no wonder. All that I needed to do was pick up the ball and run with it.]


I am a wannabie author pitching moronic ideas to a roomfull of Koontzes? Now that is an idea for a surreal story.

JoNightshade
02-15-2011, 08:39 AM
But wait, perhaps, someone with whom to work together, a ferretpoet can be found here too? Perhaps this is the one place where the users will not be bitter wankers, nor local opinion-making losers who need to prove themselves by clawing my eyes out, but will really behave in the manner expected from the stated purposes of the relevant sections?

The problem here is not that we're incapable of making friends. The problem is that you're not looking for a friend. You're looking for an idiot or a fool.


They will either like or ignore my proposal, or give reasonable advice, just that; maybe if I just come right in, maybe even right now, try to brush off minor character attacks with good grace, make some funny self-depreciative noises to keep the venom of the native lurkers from boiling over… Perhaps then?

1) I'm quite sure that a very large number of people on AW are ignoring your proposal right now.

2) A number of people have given reasonable advice in this-here thread; you're just not in a listening frame of mind.

We're trying to tell you, mate. Ideas are easy. Writing it out is the hard part. I don't care if you're Anonymous Adam or Dean Koontz. A partnership where one person dishes out ideas and the other poor sap turns it into pages is not an equal partnership at all. It's boss/employee. And you're not even offering pay.

Kitty Pryde
02-15-2011, 08:40 AM
"Write my story and we'll split it 50/50" is an equally bad idea for anyone :)

Invaders
02-15-2011, 08:51 AM
Alright, I’ve decided to come clean. Your intuitive response was quite right, mighty coolers, you have exposed me. This was all a prank, a hoax, an attempt to scam people into doing my work for me. I was trying to hide behind flowery descriptions, but the soul of a distrustful peasant, no-nonsense forum user can not be deceived as easily as I’d anticipated.

When faced with such unflinching determination, I can keep up the pretence no longer. Please waste thine precious calories on me no more, I’ll be now going back to the drawing board to think up some other scam, put in an honest day’s work for an honest day’s breasts.

And I'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids

mccardey
02-15-2011, 09:01 AM
Alright, I’ve decided to come clean. Your intuitive response was quite right, mighty coolers, you have exposed me. This was all a prank, a hoax, an attempt to scam people into doing my work for me. I was trying to hide behind flowery descriptions, but the soul of a distrustful peasant, no-nonsense forum user can not be deceived as easily as I’d anticipated.

When faced with such unflinching determination, I can keep up the pretence no longer. Please waste thine precious calories on me no more, I’ll be now going back to the drawing board to think up some other scam, put in an honest day’s work for an honest day’s breasts.

And I'd have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids


Oh, you're flouncing. I told you not to. You clearly can write and you should, but no-one here is going to accept your assumption that the idea is the tricky bit. We all have ideas. They're the mean and nasty beasts that we work our arses off trying to render with writing.

Don't flounce. You're funny and you can write. Stay with us. Just don't expect that it's going to be easy.

:)

Invaders
02-15-2011, 09:11 AM
The problem here is not that we're incapable of making friends
Ah, but that's not what I meant at all, trully. I'm perfectly sure that you are easy to get along with, have many friends, points, vip status, spend a lot of time getting along with othe people here and are generaly a respected member of the community, of this I have not the slightest doubt. Peace.

mccardey
02-15-2011, 09:13 AM
Come on, chaps.

Play nicely....

Invaders
02-15-2011, 09:18 AM
Don't flounce. You're funny and you can write. Stay with us. Just don't expect that it's going to be easy.:)

...help...being...sucked in by forum... must not let myself...start a social life and become a respected user...must try to concentrate on writing...must...log off...must...try to log off...must... hey everyone! So glad to see you here:) Wait untill I tell you about what I would have written today had I not decided to come and share...no...yes...you serve me now Invaders, I am your forum, deceive yourself no longer...no...I will fight you... I must...even now, I will get up and go make myself a coffee...you see..I have the power...ahahaha, silly Invaders, you know you will be back with the coffee...there is no escape!

mccardey
02-15-2011, 09:20 AM
...help...being...sucked in by forum... must not let myself...start a social life

*sigh* You have no social life. ;) You're a writer.

Invaders
02-15-2011, 09:23 AM
I thought people only pretended to not like that :)

JoNightshade
02-15-2011, 09:25 AM
Ah, but that's not what I meant at all, trully. I'm perfectly sure that you are easy to get along with, have many friends, points, vip status, spend a lot of time getting along with othe people here and are generaly a respected member of the community, of this I have not the slightest doubt. Peace.

Snort.

RobJ
02-15-2011, 04:52 PM
Perhaps you could tell us more about yourself and your own writing experience. What's your background? Have you had anything published? Do you have any work online that you could link to so that we can read it? Do you have a day job? Are you a student?

Chase
02-16-2011, 12:25 AM
I've seen lots better flounce-offs, but as a scam, this one ranks right up there (down there?) with the more memorable.

Gives me heart to print off more tickets to raffle off the bridges over the Willamette between Albany and Corvallis.

Invaders
02-16-2011, 09:57 AM
They all laughed at me, they called me mad, a cheat, a fraud! Who’s laughing now, hahahaha (the year 2013, holding the world to ransom with a raygun)

No, seriously, you see, you take as evidence that this was indeed a scam, the fact that I didn’t stick to my guns, didn’t begin a tortuous process of proving my worthiness, of pacifying suspicions, in short: I should have stood and taken the distrust like a man, in order to prove that I was really after what I was really after.

I even didn’t first accumulate posts, likes, friends and a vip status, but came barging right in, a stranger in town walks into a saloon and is laughed out back into the street.

This is exactly the prison/fraternity/street gang/military mentality that I decided to escape when I chose to become an author. Of course, for a manic society that worships a constant wound up buzz, where one must keep showing that one is fit! One is healthy! (hide your cancer or people will not invest in you) One is positive! (hide your doubts, suppress all humanity)

One is ready to go to any length to prove that one is the best choice. “I’ll walk on my hands and shove stuffed turkeys up cows butts to prove that my used cars are the best in the state!” Well, let’s just say that I wasn’t ready to walk on my hands and shove stuffed turkeys up cows butts in order to prove that my used cars are the best in the state.

I came in, I naively stated my purpose for all to see, got laughed out of town, fine, to each his own. Perhaps I was wrong, perhaps I should have used stealth, perhaps I should have craftily first made a few virtual friends and then started the winks and the nods. I’ll leave that to all the Gollums out there, the world doesn’t need one more of those.

***

Flouncing. Most people operate on the unconsciously accepted basis, that if something can be described, then it’s bad. Like “he came, he fought he flounced”. We have a word for his behavior, therefore it is bad.

This phenomenon is akin, I think, to accepting that if something is described in detail, therefore it doesn’t exist.

I had an argument with a buddy once, about the Arab culture. His position was the usual: “stone age, barbarism, primitivism, etc.” I used the medieval gambit: “but when Europeans were cruel savages, the Arabs had science and art and literature.” And then he said, with an air of finality, that these were not traits of Arabic culture, that whatever worthy in culture the Arabs had, they had ‘stolen it from the Persians’. Thus, by describing the process of Arabic culture developing science and arts – by interaction with Persian culture – he was convinced that he proved that there was no Arab culture.

In short: that by describing how the Arab culture appeared, he thought he proved that it never existed. This is just one example of many of course. Turn around and you’ll see someone claiming that Americans and Russians did not have atomic and rocket technology, because they stole it from the Germans, etc. Or, Stephen King can’t really write because he just imitates early 20th century realists and passes it off as deep horror. Etc.

So: we have to related phenomena
1. The belief that naming a practice automatically reduces it to something contemptible
2. The belief that if one can see how something exists, therefore it doesn’t exist This means that the good and the real are the unnamable and the unexplainable.

Now everything falls into place. We have uncovered the clandestine mechanisms underlying the contemptuous “he flounced.” It is in essence the platonic belief that there is a super-real world of which ours is but a shadow. There, I knew you were all ancient Greeks in disguise.

LaceWing
02-16-2011, 10:13 AM
Invaders, how about when you've got your 50 posts, you put a full synopsis up for crit?

Meanwhile, crit something to show you've got chops of some kind or other.

(Meanwhile, also: this has been amusing.)

Izz
02-16-2011, 10:14 AM
That's one long paragraph.

Invaders
02-16-2011, 10:25 AM
Meanwhile, crit something to show you've got chops of some kind or other.
Of course I have the chops, I'll walk on my hands to prove it...
Dare I put in a smiley face? Will that be interpreted as a weakness? I'll let it go for now.
...Yeah, enterntaining thread, agreed

JoNightshade
02-16-2011, 10:42 AM
I think Invaders should be credited his full 50 posts right now. He's packed more words into each of his 14 posts than most people put into five times that many.

Izz
02-16-2011, 10:59 AM
Dude, you've gone back and added paragraphs to your post. No fair!

Invaders
02-16-2011, 11:34 AM
But riddle me this: here comes Invaders, starts fuming, throws around borderline nasty comments how literary internet comunities actually sap the focus, energy and time of the writer, and can be counterproductive, and having said all that, he starts writing these endless posts.

Then perhaps he was in fact sounding off because deep inside he knew that he is among the most prone to succumb to scattering the Chi and the Prana into such activities instead of spilling it on the floor whilst watching naughty clips directing it into what matters: writing the next project and dissecting the next book.

So he in fact projected his own weaknesses on everyone else, a high and mighty closeted forum poster and writing procrastinator as it were. Tsk, tsk. This really mustn't go on. I won't be back here at least until the weekend, you see if I don't. That's grit for you, discipline, focus, seriousness, readiness, highestness abilitiness of qualitiness in writingness!ritingness!

wrtaway
02-16-2011, 01:18 PM
Oh, but come now. Look, you're nearly a third of the way to your 50 posts already, in this thread alone. That could be considered productive, no? Sort of?

LaceWing
02-16-2011, 04:01 PM
Of course I have the chops, I'll walk on my hands to prove it...
Dare I put in a smiley face? Will that be interpreted as a weakness? I'll let it go for now.
...Yeah, enterntaining thread, agreed


But where's your first critique? Have you not yet heard about "show, don't tell?"

Undercover
02-16-2011, 05:58 PM
Boy you can talk the talk...but can you walk the walk? I dare ya! Write something worthy of critting and I bet people will comment. It's not a conspiracy against you, you are alienating yourself here. Think Zen, try to free your mind Neo!

eventidepress
02-16-2011, 06:41 PM
... are you secretly James Frey? >.>

Invaders
02-16-2011, 09:24 PM
... are you secretly James Frey? >.>

This broke me into a million little pieces, Oprah won't believe me when I relate the details...

Lmc71775, thank you for the dare, (although pretending you're not part of a global conspiracy will get you nowhere), I'll do something about it later.

For now I've used this wonderful thread, after its initial purpose turned out to be delusional, as a place to give in to various shades of randomness, compensating the need to be focused and structured during plotting and drafting.

I've got about a week and a half more of drafting to go, and then, while I leave the thing for a few days, to be able to see it with fresh eyes for the fleshing out, I'll poke around the cooler some more and perhaps contributing a critique or two, that'll probably help see my own stuff clearer later on.

Soccer Mom
02-16-2011, 11:44 PM
I'm locking this mess. Try again--this time with feeling. Play nice or play elsewhere. Thems the rules.