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underthecity
10-12-2005, 08:59 PM
For those who are as hooked on Lost as I am,

I saw a "clue" of sorts in Desmond's library inside the hatch. In last week's episode he tells Jack and Locke that the Dharma Orientation film is on the bookshelf behind "Turn of the Screw." They check and pull out said book and find the film.

They very clearly show the cover of the book. I recognized it as "Dover Thrift Edition." These are slim volumes that cost $1 or $2. I ALSO remembered that they were fairly new when I worked at Waldenbooks in 1991.

I checked the copyright on amazon, and sure enough it is 1991. Amazon listing (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0486266842/)

Now here's the issue. The Dharma Initiative was begun in the 1970s, and then there was an "incident" and then they had to change it up so a button had to be pushed every 108 minutes. The film that describes this procedure was dated 1980.

The hatch has been situated on the island since the 1970s, over a decade before Dover published Turn of the Screw.

Is this a mistake by the producers? I don't think so. It has been discussed that nothing happens on that island by accident. The camera very clearly showed the cover of the book. It's a clue, but to what? How did that book get there?

allen

WVWriterGirl
10-12-2005, 09:09 PM
I'm thinking, if it's an important thing and not just a show mistake, that it has to do with Desmond being there. After all, he was off the island relatively recently, and when he came to the island, he was in a round-the-world race, so it could be his.

The bigger question is, if they didn't expect to be discovered by anyone except their "replacements", why did they feel the need to hide the Dharma orientation film? Why not keep it out, where the replacements could find it if they arrived too late and their predecessors were dead?

awatkins
10-12-2005, 09:16 PM
Yup. And why was he scrambling around trying to find parts to fix the computer? Who was he hiding them from? Oooh, and Jin speaks English. What's up with that?

underthecity
10-12-2005, 09:19 PM
Good points, writergirl. I didn't consider that Desmond had brought it with him. I think he said that his boat had crashed and Kelvin found him. I pretty much thought that Desmond didn't have much with him, especially books. He had a few odds and ends, but did he also have Turn of the Screw with him? I suppose it would make sense since book wouldn't weigh much as a Dover Thrift edition.

I don't have an answer for the second point. Judging by the amount of splices in the film Desmond and his predecessors probably had watched it hundreds of times. Maybe Desmond was just sick of seeing it out and put it away?

Jin speaking English must be a flashback of some sort. He is shown next to a modern desk lamp, plus there's a recessed ceiling light behind him.

allen

pconsidine
10-12-2005, 09:46 PM
I wonder if the fact that it was Turn of the Screw, a book that revolves around ghosts, has anything to do with it.

WVWriterGirl
10-13-2005, 12:12 AM
pcon, that's a good point. I've not read Turn of the Screw, and didn't know what it was about until I looked at the Amazon listing underthecity put up. It is interesting to note that it is that particular book, touted as one of the greatest ghost stories of all time, that was Desmond's choice of entertainment and choice of hiding spots. Are they trying to tell us something about the island, the experiment? It's been my hypothesis since the beginning that they're all dead, just ghosts, they just don't realize it yet. I'll admit, the birth of the baby did throw me for a loop, though...

But still...

underthecity
10-13-2005, 12:18 AM
It's been my hypothesis since the beginning that they're all dead, just ghosts, they just don't realize it yet.

I have to respectfully disagree. I don't think anything on the island is supernatural. I believe it has all been manufactured, and anything we have seen thus far will have an explanation behind it, even when Jack saw his father (wearing tennis shoes) and Claire saw an image of Walt.

Otherwise, wouldn't all be "just a dream?"

allen

pconsidine
10-13-2005, 12:23 AM
I'm not too keen on the "they're all dead" idea, but one has to wonder what the significance of the book is. Especially in light of the idea that nothing on the show is an accident. I'll offer this link (http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/screw/) and let y'all make up your own minds.

rhymegirl
10-13-2005, 03:21 AM
This is all very interesting! I love Lost!!!

My daughter has this theory. She thinks Jack is hallucinating the whole thing the whole time. He is the first person shown when the first show opens. He is wounded and thrown pretty far from the plane in the jungle so perhaps he is the ONLY survivor of the plane crash. Everything else is his hallucination. (His dad, everything else.)

Mamawamba
10-13-2005, 06:29 AM
The writers have said in no uncertain terms that they are not all dead, that this show is not the hallucination/dream of one of the characters, and that they know how everything ends and everything can be explained scientifically.

I'm a little addicted, too. I need to stop reading this thread, though, because I'm in Hawaii and it doesn't come on for another three and a half hours here.

awatkins
10-14-2005, 01:14 AM
Jin was speaking English in Hurley's dream, and Hurley spoke in Korean. That was something different.

JennaGlatzer
10-14-2005, 01:49 AM
You think it's too late for me? Everyone... everyone has been talking about this series, so I finally watched it for the first time this week. Of course, I didn't understand much of what's going on. (Were there two different plane crashes? There seems to be a "new" group there, yes?) So... is it too late for me to really get into this series, you think?

rhymegirl
10-14-2005, 02:02 AM
You think it's too late for me? Everyone... everyone has been talking about this series, so I finally watched it for the first time this week. Of course, I didn't understand much of what's going on. (Were there two different plane crashes? There seems to be a "new" group there, yes?) So... is it too late for me to really get into this series, you think?

Jenna, my son bought the DVD collection of all the Lost episodes from Season One. They are sold all in one package. If you bought that you could catch up on what's going on. Lost is my FAVORITE show!!!

Rose colored glasses
10-14-2005, 02:13 AM
Jenna, the plane split in half when it crashed. Last season we only saw those on the front of the plane. Now they're introducing the group from the back of the plane.

I agree that you need to get the season one DVD. Otherwise you'll be, uh, lost.

It's not hard to get into it, though. I think the story lines have been even better this year than last.

awatkins
10-14-2005, 03:08 AM
I am addicted to Lost. Don't call me on Wednesday nights, 8:00 p.m. Central. lol

Oh, and I watch the re-runs on Saturday night, too! :D

JennaGlatzer
10-14-2005, 02:42 PM
Okay, you talked me into it. Just bought season 1 on Amazon. :)

underthecity
10-14-2005, 04:54 PM
Wow, Jenna, you have a lot of Lost watching to do. If you have a spare weekend, I'd recommend you put in disc 1 Saturday morning and kill your whole day watching it. I know you have lots of spare time, being a rich and successful author and all, and I'm sure you don't have much else to do on a Saturday.

Enjoy one of the best shows ever on TV (well, next to Star Trek).

Allen

awatkins
10-14-2005, 05:56 PM
Jenna, make Anthony watch it with you. It'll take both of you to look for clues! Hope you enjoy it. :)

WVWriterGirl
10-14-2005, 09:49 PM
Are we still discussing what's going on, or are we waiting for Jenna to catch up? I have an enormous question about this week's episode and some theories, but I don't want to "spoil" it for anyone who's catching up.

underthecity
10-14-2005, 10:00 PM
I think at this point we can discuss whatever. After all, it does say "spoiler" in the title.

Please list your question and theories. Great episode this week. It seems there is something the new group of survivors is very frightened of. Their numbers have dwindled from 23 to ?. I also wonder what their bunker was used for, since it looks like it has long since been abandoned.

It was great having Charlie ask all the questions the audience was wondering. And it looked like Hurley was NOT happy about the button-pushing job.

allen

WVWriterGirl
10-15-2005, 09:15 PM
I don't think it was the button pushing that had him down, it was being the food inventory-er that he didn't like.

Ok, if there were 20 or so of 'em, wth happened to the rest of 'em? And what's up with the bunker? Is it part of the dharma bunkers, or something completely different? gah!

henriette
10-17-2005, 06:10 PM
i think "bernard's bunker" is a dharma bunker as the big fat logo was on the wall when they arrived. it might be connected to the rest.

i think "bernard's group" is falling ill, like the french woman spoke of, "the sickness". hence why desmond was shooting himself up with some sort of medicine.

did anyone else notice the dharma logo was on the tail of the dolphin/shark that tried to attack michael and sawyer on the raft?

the numbers scare me!

pconsidine
10-17-2005, 06:42 PM
Wasn't there a band called the Dharma Bunkers? I loved those guys.

awatkins
10-17-2005, 06:42 PM
Remember when Michael, Walt, Sawyer and Jin were all on the raft? There was a logo on Walt's life jacket that puzzled me until the second season. It was a swan. Did anyone else catch that?

Questions: Where did they get that life jacket? I am assuming it came from the plane, but if so, why would it have that logo on it? Is there a connection between that plane/airline and the Dharma project?

WVWriterGirl
10-18-2005, 10:51 AM
I suppose I missed it. Anne, what's the Dharma logo look like? I try to watch closely, but 8PM is my little one's bedtime, and by 9 he's just getting wound up for the second round of "excuses why Connor doesn't need to be in bed" and I tend to miss things...

kristie911
10-18-2005, 11:24 AM
Oh my gosh...I totally missed the logo thing. I have a tendency to not look for things like that because I get so wrapped up in looking for clues, I miss what's actually going on. I'm probably missing a lot but I still love the show...

Optimus
10-18-2005, 11:30 AM
This might shed some light on what the intent/design of the island could actually be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_box

http://www.psybox.com/web_dictionary/skinnerbox.htm

I've been told that one of those little films mentions that the island was designed by "psychologists in the vein of Skinner..." or something like that, so the Skinner Box theory seems logical.

And, I haven't seen much of the show, but it seems plausible that Jin can speak English considering the fact that, in China at least, students are required by law to start learning English in grade school. Jin and Sun are actually Korean, but it's conceivable that Jin learned english as a child in school.

However, considering that the Dharma logo is basically an altered Taiji/Tai Chi (a yin yang) surrounded by the Ba Gua (or, "8 trigrams.") They are the 8 columns of 3 lines, some broken, some unbroken, which surround a full taiji. Top line represents heaven, middle line represents man, bottom line represents Earth. They depict the different ways in which those three forces live in harmony with each other.

Anyway, to throw another conspiracy theory out there, it is possible that, given the "Asian persuasion" of the Dharma logo, that Jin is somehow involved as a confederate of this experiment.

Now wrap your brain around that one!

Yeeeuhhh!!!!



But, I've only seen like two episodes, so what do I know?

RubyRoo
10-18-2005, 12:26 PM
I'm really annoyed now because in England on my crappy 3 channel TV I have NO idea about replacements or books or anything else in Lost past, like, episode 7!:Hammer: Urgggggg!

JennaGlatzer
10-18-2005, 02:00 PM
Are we still discussing what's going on, or are we waiting for Jenna to catch up?

Too cute! No, definitely don't let me hold you up. It could take a while for me to catch up. I'll try not to read much until I have a better handle on the show. I always hated myself for reading episode reviews of Buffy before I caught up on that show. I learned that Buffy's mom was going to die when I was a whole season behind.

henriette
10-18-2005, 05:48 PM
a note on jin and sun: jin cannot speak english, but sun can. there are a few episodes in season one that explains this.

we haven't even discussed locke yet- when will we get to find out how exactly he found himself in the wheelchair!? i'm dying to know!

pconsidine
10-18-2005, 05:53 PM
They kinda hinted at something last season. They may or may not ever fill in the details.

PattiTheWicked
10-18-2005, 08:56 PM
I'm fascinated by Hurley's numbers: 4 8 15 16 23 42

There were 42 people who survived in the front section, 23 in the tail. The flight number is 815. In the Sydney airport, Hurley runs past a girls' soccer team which has the numbers on their jerseys. The reward for the Aussie farmer who turned in Kate was 23 grand. Hurley's net worth has increased by 42 million bucks since he won the lottery. The numbers are on the hatch, and they're the code for the computer.

And if you add 'em all together, you get 108, which is the number of minutes on the countdown clock.

kristie911
10-18-2005, 10:48 PM
I'm fascinated by Hurley's numbers: 4 8 15 16 23 42

There were 42 people who survived in the front section, 23 in the tail. The flight number is 815. In the Sydney airport, Hurley runs past a girls' soccer team which has the numbers on their jerseys. The reward for the Aussie farmer who turned in Kate was 23 grand. Hurley's net worth has increased by 42 million bucks since he won the lottery. The numbers are on the hatch, and they're the code for the computer.

And if you add 'em all together, you get 108, which is the number of minutes on the countdown clock.

I never would have caught all that myself...I guess I need to start paying better attention. I just got DVR and I have a feeling I'll be doing a lot of rewinding now.

WVWriterGirl
10-19-2005, 09:46 AM
wow, I never realized that...about Hurley's numbers. He's quickly becoming my favorite character, especially since he voices baby Bob on the Quizno's commercials.

Susan Gable
10-19-2005, 05:19 PM
Dude! <G> I didn't know Hurley was Baby Bob.

I totally love this show. I have to start recording it, though, so I can go over it frame by frame. I swear, that's the only way to catch some of this stuff.

I wondered if the contents of that story were in any way a clue, like Watership Down was supposed to also be a clue?

I've heard it speculated that Locke's paralysis was hysterical in nature. ???

Anyone besides me get frustrated with the snail's pace in moving the story forward? It's like two steps forward, one step back with the new way they keep popping from group to group, and then replaying stuff. I need more story!

I wonder how many people are playing the Lost numbers in the various lotteries right now? If those numbers ever win, there will probably be a lot of winners to split the pool. :)

Lost just inspires lots of wondering, doesn't it? Which sure works to get us to tune in.

Susan G.

awatkins
10-19-2005, 06:10 PM
I suppose I missed it. Anne, what's the Dharma logo look like? I try to watch closely, but 8PM is my little one's bedtime, and by 9 he's just getting wound up for the second round of "excuses why Connor doesn't need to be in bed" and I tend to miss things...

It's a modified swan of sorts. I know that doesn't give you much to go on! Maybe somebody else can describe it better. Seems like the logo on Walt's life jacket was two swans (??). I'll have to get the DVD out and look again.

JennaGlatzer
11-09-2005, 11:46 AM
Okay, it took me forever to find this thread again, just so I could NOT read it, but just come here to tell you--

I'm all caught up on season 1! Anthony and I have watched it all. Now...

...how many episodes have we missed in season 2?! Should I watch the show tomorrow, or should I just wait now for season 2 to come out on DVD, too?

Susan Gable
11-09-2005, 06:12 PM
Okay, it took me forever to find this thread again, just so I could NOT read it, but just come here to tell you--

I'm all caught up on season 1! Anthony and I have watched it all. Now...

...how many episodes have we missed in season 2?! Should I watch the show tomorrow, or should I just wait now for season 2 to come out on DVD, too?

Jenna, I *think* you've only missed 3 episodes. There weren't many before they went to reruns already. I believe tonight is a new episode. You haven't missed a whole lot of actual story because they keep backtracking and showing us stuff twice. I'd jump in tonight. If you go to the abc website, they probably have episode recaps that will catch you up on any story details.

Susan G.

JennaGlatzer
11-09-2005, 11:23 PM
I went to iTunes.com and found out I could buy this season's episodes for $1.99 apiece. :) There have been five so far. I already saw one, so I really just need to buy 4 of them. Only pain is that I'll have to watch them on the computer (I don't have a DVD burner or an iPod).

But you were all right... great show. I'm still dying to find out what Kate did that set off the whole chain of criminal events.

awatkins
11-09-2005, 11:43 PM
You're kidding! I didn't know you could already buy this season's episodes! hmmm.....