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aruna
01-25-2011, 08:07 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12274205

The only one of these I've seen in The King's Speech -- had me on the edge of my seat! Colin Firth was brilliant in it -- hope he wins. It depends of course on the others. Who has seen what?

katiemac
01-25-2011, 10:39 PM
I've seen everything on the best picture list except 127 Hours and The King's Speech. I also need to see Rabbit Hole, Biutiful and Blue Valentine. I'm definitely seeing King and Valentine this weekend.

Not too many surprises, though. Interesting that Julianne Moore didn't make the cut.

aruna
01-25-2011, 10:51 PM
Here's the Best Picture nominations list:
127 Hours
Black Swan
The Fighter
Inception
The Kids Are All Right
The King's Speech
Winter's Bone
True Grit
The Social Network
Toy Story 3


Other nominations here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-12278412)

backslashbaby
01-25-2011, 11:10 PM
The only one I saw was Inception; I'm getting around to seeing more :) I liked it very much, but I don't know if it's oscar material, myself.

maestrowork
01-25-2011, 11:44 PM
I don't think Inception will win. I think it's between King's Speech and Social Network. Let's see which wins the SAG Award -- usually the bellwether of the Oscar win.

Also, look at this list:

Best Editing:
"Black Swan"(Fox Searchlight), Andrew Weisblum
"The Fighter"(Paramount), Pamela Martin
"The King’s Speech"(The Weinstein Company), Tariq Anwar
"127 Hours"(Fox Searchlight), Jon Harris
"The Social Network" (Sony Pictures Releasing), Angus Wall and Kirk Baxter


No movie wins Best Picture without winning Best Editing, so basically THESE are the real contenders of Best Picture.

I've seen everything except True Grit and Winter's Bone. Given neither is nominated for Best Editing, I think their best bet is in the acting category.

Colin Firth will win the Oscar. It's his year (he was nominated last year for A Single Man, also a brilliant performance, but lost to Jeff Bridges. It's funny they're duking it out this year again, but this year belongs to Firth).

I predict Natalie Portman will win for Black Swan also. It's just a brilliant film with a great performance, plus it's unusual. Bening is great, too -- so is Nicole Kidman in Rabbit Hole, which deserves a writing nod. But Portman has a Ballerina's leg up on Bening and Kidman.


Black Swan, The Fighter, 127 Hours, King's Speech and Social Network all have nominations in multiple big categories. So this is a good year to watch the Oscars. The suspense!

katiemac
01-26-2011, 12:19 AM
No movie wins Best Picture without winning Best Editing, so basically THESE are the real contenders of Best Picture.



In 2007, Best Editing went to The Bourne Ultimatum, not No Country for Old Men. In the 2000s, four out of the ten Best Picture winners did not pick up Best Editing.

I disagree 127 Hours is a true top five contender. I don't know what I'd replace it with on the rest of the list, though. Maybe True Grit or even Toy Story 3. That being said, I think the actual race is between The Social Network and King's Speech.

King's Speech has the most nominations, but I still think The Social Network is going to take the big prize.

Rarely do I hope someone doesn't win (as opposed to rooting for someone), but I don't think Natalie Portman should win.

eyeblink
01-26-2011, 01:30 AM
Here's the Best Picture nominations list:
127 Hours
Black Swan
The Fighter
Inception
The Kids Are All Right
The King's Speech
Winter's Bone
True Grit
The Social Network
Toy Story 3




I've seen Inception, The Kids Are All Right, The Social Network and Toy Story 3. Haven't seen 127 Hours, Black Swan or The King's Speech yet (will do so in the next two weeks). The Fighter and True Grit haven't opened in the UK yet. Winter's Bone I've heard great things about - it's out on DVD on 31 January.

I reckon The Social Network will win Best Picture and Best Adapted Screenplay, Toy Story 3 Best Animated, with Colin Firth as Best Actor. We'll see if I'm right.

katiemac
01-26-2011, 01:32 AM
I reckon The Social Network will win Best Picture and Best Adapted Screenplay, Toy Story 3 Best Animated, with Colin Firth as Best Actor. We'll see if I'm right.

I think you're four for four.

AdamH
01-26-2011, 06:49 PM
Don't underestimate True Grit. I've seen The Social Network, The King's Speech, Inception, The Fighter, and Toy Story 3 out of that list. Even though the buzz right now is between Social Network and King's Speech. I'd place True Grit as a dark horse contender because it was a better movie than Social Network and on par with King's Speech. Plus the 14 year old girl in True Grit is simply amazing. Hailee Steinfeld...I think that's her name. She should walk away with Best Supporting Actress. Unlikely...but I hope so.

alleycat
01-26-2011, 07:10 PM
I predict Natalie Portman will win . . .

I think that one is almost a given.

It's her time.

maestrowork
01-27-2011, 06:15 AM
I think that one is almost a given.

It's her time.

Although the Academy may go for sentimental and give it to Bening, who's never won (plus Ms. Bening is married to Warren Beaty, so there's a big incentive there). She lost to Hilary Swank twice, and it would be another blow to lose to another young actress... plus the Academy may think Portman's still young (only 29) and has plenty of chances, or deduct a point or two for her current dud, No Strings Attached.

That said, Portman has won almost every award, and if she wins the SAG Award, it's in the bag for her. If the SAG goes to someone else, then it's a race to watch!

childeroland
01-27-2011, 06:20 AM
Seen all the BP nominees except 127 Hours, but...

The race is pretty much set. Social Network will win BP, Fincher Best Director. Firth will win Best Actor, Portman Best Actress, Leo or Steinfeld (probably Leo) Best Supporting Actress, Bale Best Supporting Actor. Inception MAY win Original Screenplay, Sorkin is a lock for Adapted.

katiemac
01-27-2011, 06:50 AM
Leo or Steinfeld (probably Leo) Best Supporting Actress

Leo. Although I'm impressed Steinfeld made the nominations, so that bodes well for her.

rhymegirl
01-27-2011, 07:50 AM
I've only seen Toy Story 3 and Inception of the 10 nominated. Both were Christmas gifts!

ceenindee
01-27-2011, 08:31 AM
I think Inception was snubbed out of Best Editing and Director, but I'm pulling for it for Original Score.

childeroland
01-27-2011, 09:43 AM
Yeah, the Editing snub is crazy. Director I can see, since Russell probably edged Nolan out (biographical drama vs. sci-fi action), but Lee Smith not getting a nod (and did the guild snub him too?) is nuts.

aruna
01-27-2011, 12:24 PM
I watched Black Swan last night, with by daughter -- who once danced in Swan Lake, aged six! Even at that age, there were a couple Prima Donnas in the dance troupe; you could tell.


I think that one is almost a given.

It's her time.

I wasn't all that taken with her performance. She seemed to have only two expressions, innocence and horror. The movie, too seemed to depende too much on shock tactics; it would have been stronger imo without the OTT weird/horror elements.

Celia Cyanide
01-28-2011, 01:36 AM
I disagree 127 Hours is a true top five contender.

I absolutely loved it. It was one of the best movies I have seen in years. I was very impressed that they could do so much with the story, which was essentially one guy under a rock for an hour and a half, and make it so fast paced and emotionally engaging. Unfortunately, not enough people saw it because of the content. But James Franco is amazing, and so is Danny Boyle.

Celia Cyanide
01-28-2011, 01:38 AM
I think Inception was snubbed out of Best Editing and Director, but I'm pulling for it for Original Score.

I agree. I couldn't believe that didn't get the best director nomination.

nighttimer
01-28-2011, 07:27 AM
I think Inception was snubbed out of Best Editing and Director, but I'm pulling for it for Original Score.


I agree. I couldn't believe that didn't get the best director nomination.

One explanation I read for the snub of Nolan for Best Director was, "Well, he wasn't nominated for The Dark Knight either, and that was a better movie than Inception."

Christopher Nolan may be the new Steven Spielberg when it comes to making quality pictures that audiences love and the Academy Awards ignore.

I want to see Black Swan, 127 Hours and The Social Network before the Oscars are handed out. For the first time in a long while, I feel the need to catch up with some of the nominated films in a way I did not with The Blind Side and Up In the Air. I think this is a pretty strong crop of contenders (and some say The Town should have made the top ten).

Colin Firth seems like a lock to take Best Actor for The King's Speech because he lost to Jeff Bridges last year and even though I really like True Grit, I'd rather see Hailee Steinfeld win. It's her story and she kicks major butt in the role of Mattie Ross. I'm not so sure if great performances make The King's Speech a great movie and there are the beginnings of a backlash against it for some historical inaccuracies.

Inception is one of the few films of 2010 that may be considered a classic years from now, but it's too dense, too convoluted and too deep for older Oscar voters and The Social Network probably too hip. That might be the saving grace for The King's Speech for the Academy. They have a history of rewarding English made period pieces so lightning may strike yet again.

katiemac
01-28-2011, 09:30 AM
I wasn't all that taken with her performance. .

I agree. I've told other people that I believe the material elevated her, but I don't think she did anything to elevate the material. But I'm also not nearly as taken with Black Swan as others are.


I absolutely loved it. It was one of the best movies I have seen in years. I was very impressed that they could do so much with the story, which was essentially one guy under a rock for an hour and a half, and make it so fast paced and emotionally engaging. Unfortunately, not enough people saw it because of the content. But James Franco is amazing, and so is Danny Boyle.

I'm probably not being fair to it, since it's still one of the two Best Pic nominated films I have yet to see. I only meant that, based on some chatter, it doesn't seem like it would have made the cut if the category were still five best pictures. It most certainly should be in a list of ten, though.

maestrowork
01-28-2011, 09:52 AM
I just saw True Grit and really liked it -- it's one of the most accessible movies from the Coen brothers. Steinfeld deserves that nomination, although I don't think she'd win over Leo. Bridges is good but he already won last year for another grungy character, so I think Firth has a lock.

Celia Cyanide
01-28-2011, 03:22 PM
I just saw True Grit and really liked it -- it's one of the most accessible movies from the Coen brothers. Steinfeld deserves that nomination, although I don't think she'd win over Leo.

ok....every single time I see that in this thread, I think of INCEPTION and get a little confused. ;)

maestrowork
01-28-2011, 09:42 PM
I agree. I've told other people that I believe the material elevated her, but I don't think she did anything to elevate the material. But I'm also not nearly as taken with Black Swan as others are.

But you can say that about a lot of actors. Did Nicole Kidman elevate the material or did the material elevate her in The Hours? How about Halle Barry in Monster's Ball? Or Hilary Swank in Boys Don't Cry. Or Steinfeld in True Grit -- the character is so strong you wonder if she'd have fared worse if it was a weaker character.

Whether it's the strongest performance this year is subjective -- that's why we vote, instead of having a panel of judges. :) To me, though, having seen almost every Natalie Portman's movie, I was blown away by this performance. I definitely think she's at least elevated herself, if not above the material.

Diana Hignutt
01-28-2011, 11:02 PM
Jennifer Lawrence was brilliant in Winter's Bone. She won't win though.

katiemac
01-28-2011, 11:18 PM
But you can say that about a lot of actors.

Of course you can.

Lady Ice
01-29-2011, 02:14 AM
Hoping Firth wins Best Actor :)

The King's Speech might win as it's a very British British film.

aruna
01-29-2011, 12:15 PM
- the character is so strong you wonder if she'd have fared worse if it was a weaker character.



But that's the problem, with me at least. I didn't find the character strong at all. She didn't convince me as a prima ballerina. Those people are just magnificent. They have a charisma, an aura around them and it's impossible to conceive of someone with Nina's level of psychosis capable of simutaneously summoning the inner strength needed for that major role. Yes, professional balllerinas are fired by ambition, but someone that crazy just couldn't do it. She seemed to me more like a wreck of a teenage girl, and it didn't mesh with the Swan Queen role. For me, the whole movie was struggling to figure out what it actually was -- a ballet movie showing the grandeur of Swan Lake, a horror film, a teen slasher/soft porn flick, or what. I get the symbolism of white swan/black swan, but for me it was just laid on too thick, and her constant wide-eyed shock -- nah. I couldn't care about her. I kept yelling at her to get a grip!

Now, I really want to see True Grit. I remember seeing it with my dad as a child and loving it.

nighttimer
01-29-2011, 03:36 PM
I agree. I couldn't believe that didn't get the best director nomination.


One explanation I read for the snub of Nolan for Best Director was, "Well, he wasn't nominated for The Dark Knight either, and that was a better movie than Inception."

Christopher Nolan may be the new Steven Spielberg when it comes to making quality pictures that audiences love and the Academy Awards ignore.

Inception is one of the few films of 2010 that may be considered a classic years from now, but it's too dense, too convoluted and too deep for older Oscar voters and The Social Network probably too hip. That might be the saving grace for The King's Speech for the Academy. They have a history of rewarding English made period pieces so lightning may strike yet again.

Apparently, I lurched uncontrollably into the truth because in Entertainment Weekly a story entitled, "No Love For Nolan?!" an unnamed Oscar insider (is there any other kind) says, "I suepect that since he (Nolan) was the writer-director they blame him for their not understanding a single thing that was going on. They admire the craft, but they consider him Comic Book Boy still."

"Comc Book Boy?" :e2tomato: Okay, now that's just cold.

I guess Nolan will have to direct a film about someone overcoming drug or alcohol addiction, an English based period piece or someone escaping from the Nazis. Those are sure paths to Oscar victory.

I do have a question Ceila maybe you can answer. I'm confused as to what is the difference between a great movie and a great performance in a movie.

What I mean by that 2001 is considered a great movie, but any actor could have played the part of the astronauts. Avatar might be a better film than The Hurt Locker, but one film has dazzling visuals and the other has Jeremy Renner's performance anchoring it. Actors often give great performances in films that aren't as good as they are. Conversely, Inception is a great film, but it didn't get a single acting nomination because it's not a film where the performances drive the film. Nolan's The Dark Knight was both an exceptional film and blessed with an exceptional job of acting by Heath Ledger.

So when a 127 Hours or The King's Speech gets so much love is it because James Franco and Colin Firth killed in their respective roles or the movie was so good, any talented actor could have pulled off the job just as well?



Now, I really want to see True Grit. I remember seeing it with my dad as a child and loving it.

I think you will like True Grit, aruna, but keep in mind this is not a remake of the 1969 film. The Coen brothers place the emphasis of the story on the character of Mattie Ross and not Rooster Cogburn.

Oh, and keep your eyes open for a huge continutiy error.

eyeblink
02-26-2011, 01:30 PM
I do have a question Ceila maybe you can answer. I'm confused as to what is the difference between a great movie and a great performance in a movie.

What I mean by that 2001 is considered a great movie, but any actor could have played the part of the astronauts. Avatar might be a better film than The Hurt Locker, but one film has dazzling visuals and the other has Jeremy Renner's performance anchoring it. Actors often give great performances in films that aren't as good as they are. Conversely, Inception is a great film, but it didn't get a single acting nomination because it's not a film where the performances drive the film. Nolan's The Dark Knight was both an exceptional film and blessed with an exceptional job of acting by Heath Ledger.


The Hurt Locker has Kathryn Bigelow's direction which quite rightly won her the Oscar last year - it would have been a travesty if Cameron had won. Also, Hurt Locker's editing and camerawork basically put you there in the thick of things. I can understand people not entirely being blown away (sorry) by it, because it's a character-led narrative - not the event-led storyline that too many people think is the only type of "plot".

Avatar on the other hand is technically dazzling, and it certainly deserved its technical awards. But Cameron's direction isn't all that interesting as direction (and that's before we get to the script) - a major reason I suspect why I got bored with it from about halfway through.

Performance-driven films aren't necessarily not well directed - there's a time and place for "invisible" camerawork when it suits the storyline. Personally I found the direction of The King's Speech somewhat selfconscious - note the times Tom Hooper isolates the King to one side of an otherwise empty frame, also the use of slightly distorting wide-angle lenses. I say that as someone who likes the film, and especially the performances in it.

eyeblink
02-26-2011, 01:42 PM
Okay, due to a catch-up a couple of weeks ago, I've now seen all but one of the ten Best Picture nominees. The one that has so far escaped me was 127 Hours. (Mind you, I'm still seven for ten from last year's nominees.)

I won't be watching as I don't have Sky TV and the ceremony is in the early hours of Monday morning British time, and I have work to go to on Monday. But let's see how many I get right.

Best Picture: Either The Social Network or The King's Speech.

A battle here between the old guard of the Academy and the younger ones. Personally I think The Social Network is the better film, all patriotism aside.

Best Director: David Fincher for The Social Network

Will be a major injustice if he doesn't win. Even if The King's Speech takes Best Picture, I think Fincher will still get it, possibly as a consolation prize. Also, Fincher has paid his dues over a couple of decades and Tom Hooper is a Brit who's quite new to the Academy.

Best Actor: Colin Firth, The King's Speech
Best Actress: Natalie Portman, Black Swan

As close to a shoo-in as you can get, especially as Firth is against Jeff Bridges and Bridges won last year.

Best Supporting Actor: Christian Bale, The Fighter
Best Supporting Actress: Hailee Stanfield, True Grit

These two categories are wide-open, especially the former. Stanfield may get the only Oscar for True Grit, apart from possibly Roger Deakins for his cinematography (maybe they'll think the Coens have been well-rewarded lately). Also, the Academy has a weakness for striking performances by new young actors - cf. Tatum O'Neal, Anna Paquin.

Best Original Screenplay: David Seidler, The King's Speech
Best Adapted Screenplay: Aaron Sorkin, The Social Network

Just as well these two films are in different categories here. Also, it would be a major upset if Sorkin didn't win as his script had as much as Fincher's direction to do with the success of the film.

Best Animated Film
Toy Story 3

Another shoo-in, especially as it won't get Best Picture.

SirOtter
02-26-2011, 07:16 PM
Best Animated Film
Toy Story 3

Another shoo-in

Which is a shame, as The Illusionist is a marvelous, delightful film, and has absolutely no chance against the Pixar hype machine.

rhymegirl
02-27-2011, 07:38 AM
I've now watched 4 of the 10 nominated movies--Inception, Toy Story 3, The Social Network and tonight I saw Winter's Bone.

I must say I thought Winter's Bone was very good. I was very drawn into the story and was hoping for the best outcome for the main character.

I will be watching the Oscars tomorrow night.

aruna
02-28-2011, 12:33 PM
well, no surprises. I'm happy about the King's Speech.
I thought I'd recorded it to watch this morning but it turned out I'd only recorded the Red Carpet stuff --- never mind.

Enzo
02-28-2011, 05:43 PM
I only watched the beginning, where Franco and Hathaway wander through all the main nominated films. After that, they started with Gone with the Wind and I just didn't want to see that. Switched the TV on again later and saw the best director award, but judging from all the reviews afterward the Oscars this year were one huge dull yawn.
The results had all been predicted and the presentation and content were below par, or so the reviews tell me.

maestrowork
02-28-2011, 10:44 PM
All the major results were predictable. But there were nice moments: Kirk Douglas was the bomb, reminding us he's one of the few remaining greats of golden Hollywood. Anne Hathaway completely stole the show, while James Franco sleepwalked through the whole thing. Melissa Leo dropping the F-bomb is pretty serious fun. And you can always count on Natalie Portman to be lovely and Colin Firth to deliver a witty speech.

The Oscars is always better when you're at an Oscar party with an Oscar pool... food, booze, friendship. And I won this year! :)

darkprincealain
02-28-2011, 10:51 PM
I was the biggest loser in the Oscar pool.

I also found Melissa Leo cursing something to laugh with her for, really hoping, of course, that she got a chance to laugh backstage. She was clearly the most nervous winner of the night. A coworker disagreed this morning and said it was classless. This is someone who normally has extraordinary sympathy so I wondered what was up with that.

maestrowork
02-28-2011, 10:59 PM
If I were Melissa Leo I would drop the F-bomb, too. She was clearly overwhelmed (the anticipation was ginormous... it was hers to lose) and nervous and full of emotions (as most actors are). A slip like that wasn't classless. Just human. And it makes the ceremony more fun.

rhymegirl
02-28-2011, 11:17 PM
I got all but one category right. I didn't think the show was much fun at all.

Bring back Billy Crystal, I say!

CaroGirl
02-28-2011, 11:31 PM
Overall, the Oscars were boring. Anne Hathaway was great. James Franco was about as exciting as a plank of manufactured wood. Billy Crystal is awesome and I was terribly pleased to see him again. Robert Downey was sweaty. The f-bomb was hilarious.

Celia Cyanide
02-28-2011, 11:33 PM
I have come to the conclusion that I have the opposite opinion of the general public regarding the Oscars. Loved Hathaway and Franco. I loved that he was chill and she was switched on, because I fully expected it to be the other way around. Loved Melissa Leo. I liked it that the hosts didn't do too much, and kept it moving.

I hated Randy Newman. His song and his speech in which he made fun of the other winners.

I expected King's Speech to win, but I didn't want it to.

I guess I don't really like watching the Oscars, even though I care about them. I usually find them quite boring, and I only really enjoyed them this time because they were quick, and the hosts were usually quiet and nice to look at.

maestrowork
02-28-2011, 11:44 PM
I was convinced last night how much I hated Randy Newman. That was the worst song and performance ever, and it effing won. Ugh.

Celia Cyanide
02-28-2011, 11:45 PM
I do have a question Ceila maybe you can answer. I'm confused as to what is the difference between a great movie and a great performance in a movie.

So when a 127 Hours or The King's Speech gets so much love is it because James Franco and Colin Firth killed in their respective roles or the movie was so good, any talented actor could have pulled off the job just as well?

That is a hard question to answer....the first thing that comes to mind is that I once met an acting coach...he has worked with some great actors. He told us, "That role Charlize Theron played in MONSTER....I could coach any actress in this room to play that role and she would be good enough to win the Oscar. You know why? Because it's a great role."

The thing with 127 Hours is....have you seen it? Franco got so much attention for his performance because he had to be in EVERY FREAKING SCENE, and it was a challenging role the whole way through. But it's also a great movie, because people thought the story was unfilmable and Danny Boyle was nuts. But they made it work, and it was amazing. That's why it's pretty impressive. I think it's a great performance and a great film. The King's Speech, I just thought was a bunch of great performances.

Celia Cyanide
02-28-2011, 11:49 PM
I was convinced last night how much I hated Randy Newman. That was the worst song and performance ever, and it effing won. Ugh.

Could you believe it beat that beautiful song from 127 Hours? Not surprised, though, the only time a song I really loved won was Lose Yourself. The Academy does not have great taste in music.

CaroGirl
02-28-2011, 11:52 PM
I was convinced last night how much I hated Randy Newman. That was the worst song and performance ever, and it effing won. Ugh.
It stank like last year's cheese. You couldn't even hear his voice. Wait, maybe that was a good thing.

Snowstorm
03-01-2011, 12:05 AM
Could you believe it beat that beautiful song from 127 Hours?

That's what I thought! That song from 127 Hours was haunting, moving. I was pulling for it, but I just rolled my eyes when the winner was announced.

Satori1977
03-01-2011, 12:41 AM
I spent most of the evening reading a book, with the Oscars on in the background. I thought Anne was ok, but James seemed so preoccupied. I really didin't understand why they were chosen to host anyway (except to appeal to a younger audience). I like them both, but meh.

Billy Crystal was great, I always loved when he hosted. Kirk Douglas was the highlight of the evening. Sweet, funny, sincere. What a legend. We simply don't have actors of that caliber and dignity anymore.

And I agree about the music for 127 Hours. So beautiful, it should have won. I actually really like Randy Newman, and love most of his music (he should have won long before this), but this song did not deserve to win.

Everything else was pretty boring and predictable.

Diane Amy
03-01-2011, 01:07 AM
Bring back Billy Crystal, I say!

I SO agree! I feel that award shows need a comedian as host to keep us laughing... and awake!

Sadly, except for Billy, Kirk, and the f-bomb this year's show was a snooze fest.

darkprincealain
03-01-2011, 02:34 AM
If I were Melissa Leo I would drop the F-bomb, too. She was clearly overwhelmed (the anticipation was ginormous... it was hers to lose) and nervous and full of emotions (as most actors are). A slip like that wasn't classless. Just human. And it makes the ceremony more fun.

Agreed. I think my coworker was just in a foul mood. But I'm not really sure I want to ask.

Celia Cyanide
03-01-2011, 04:53 AM
I spent most of the evening reading a book, with the Oscars on in the background. I thought Anne was ok, but James seemed so preoccupied. I really didin't understand why they were chosen to host anyway (except to appeal to a younger audience). I like them both, but meh.

I like them both, too, and ironically, anybody I have really liked as Oscar hosts has been someone I don't really like as an actor. I gotta say, though, I could probably watch Franco making eggs and enjoy it. He's one of those people I just find fascinating, no matter what he does.

Again, I liked it that they were low key, but I suppose I usually find the Oscars boring.

I had heard people were bashing Melissa Leo, and I felt bad, because I could understand her. About a minute before she got bleeped out, I thought, "If I won, I would probably get so nervous I would drop the F-bomb." I don't really like people criticizing other people's acceptance speeches, especially when they are just being themselves, and not acting smug or preachy, or anything like that. I don't even like getting up on stage in front of my class.

Grrarrgh
03-01-2011, 09:56 PM
I have a question that I'm sure my fellow AWers could answer easily. I guess I didn't really notice it when the noms were announced, but Toy Story 3 was up for Best Adapted Screenplay because it was based on the first 2 movies??? Does that mean, in theory, anyway, any sequel is eligible for that Oscar?

maestrowork
03-01-2011, 10:49 PM
I'm not sure how they determined that, but I think the screenplay was based on an earlier version that John Lasseter wrote. However, since it had never been produced, it should still be considered original? No idea.

Also, didn't Tom Hooper just outed David Seidler, who won for Best Original Screenplay? Hooper said his mother went to a reading of an un-produced play called The King's Speech... wouldn't that be considered adapted material then? Or because the play was un-produced, it's still considered original? Still, it would be an adaptation of the play to screenplay... wouldn't it be an "adaptation" then?

aruna
03-02-2011, 11:58 AM
I always thought adaptation meant adaptation from a novel.

darkprincealain
03-02-2011, 05:26 PM
I had heard people were bashing Melissa Leo, and I felt bad, because I could understand her.

Meh. The criticism is difficult for me to understand. I suppose it might be another thing if she had gone up there and done something that made the awards feel less human and real, but I haven't had enough coffee yet to come up with an example of what that would be.

As it is, one f bomb hardly qualifies people to bash her in my book. And I wonder if anyone would have said anything had a male winner other than Christian Bale had dropped it instead.

Lady Ice
03-02-2011, 05:35 PM
I always thought adaptation meant adaptation from a novel.

Or play.

aruna
03-02-2011, 06:37 PM
I didn't think so. I may have been wrong.

aruna
03-02-2011, 06:41 PM
However, if the play was never produced I guess that changes things. I should imagine that a movie screenplay adapted from an unpublished novel (manuscript) would also count as original.

maestrowork
03-02-2011, 08:13 PM
I suppose the "un-produced" is the key here. Still, it's a bit of a cheat.

Satori1977
03-02-2011, 08:16 PM
Meh. The criticism is difficult for me to understand. I suppose it might be another thing if she had gone up there and done something that made the awards feel less human and real, but I haven't had enough coffee yet to come up with an example of what that would be.

As it is, one f bomb hardly qualifies people to bash her in my book. And I wonder if anyone would have said anything had a male winner other than Christian Bale had dropped it instead.

I don't understand it either. It wasn't like she is a self-righteous celeb that was just going off on someone (like Bale did, or a slew of other arrogant jerks in the business). She was nervous, overwhelmed, and I think it is perfectly understandable. She was one of the few sincere acceptance speeches...that I saw, I fast-forwarded through a lot of them.

darkprincealain
03-02-2011, 10:03 PM
I don't understand it either. It wasn't like she is a self-righteous celeb that was just going off on someone (like Bale did, or a slew of other arrogant jerks in the business). She was nervous, overwhelmed, and I think it is perfectly understandable. She was one of the few sincere acceptance speeches...that I saw, I fast-forwarded through a lot of them.

I agree. I thought she did well and Bale worked hard to make fun of himself. Some of the others felt self-conscious and insincere.

As for Randy Newman, I like the song but agree with him when he says that they couldn't find a fifth nominee was a bit of a whiff.

katiemac
03-02-2011, 11:00 PM
I don't understand it either. It wasn't like she is a self-righteous celeb that was just going off on someone (like Bale did, or a slew of other arrogant jerks in the business). She was nervous, overwhelmed, and I think it is perfectly understandable. She was one of the few sincere acceptance speeches...that I saw, I fast-forwarded through a lot of them.

She also apologized for it in the interview room right after.

Satori1977
03-02-2011, 11:11 PM
You could tell she was quite embarrassed when it happened. I thought it was funny, and totally unexpected.

CaroGirl
03-02-2011, 11:18 PM
You could tell she was quite embarrassed when it happened. I thought it was funny, and totally unexpected.
Oh, you mean someone is Hollywood is human? I also thought it was funny, even though I was watching it with my 11-yo daughter. But it was nothing she doesn't hear in the schoolyard fifty times a day.

maestrowork
03-02-2011, 11:20 PM
You could tell she was quite embarrassed when it happened. I thought it was funny, and totally unexpected.

Right... you can tell it was spontaneous and slip, and she was mortified. Or else she really deserved the Oscar since she'd be a great actress...

Celia Cyanide
03-03-2011, 05:00 AM
I agree. I thought she did well and Bale worked hard to make fun of himself.

Yeah, I didn't really find that as charming as everyone else did. But then I seem to feel differently than most about everything. I don't really enjoy watching awards shows, I suppose. I just want to know who won.

I have heard that part of the reason people were criticizing her was her self-promotion. I just think that is a completely separate issue, and it did not effect my view of her speech at all.