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James D. Macdonald
09-18-2005, 07:29 PM
Latest scam agency in the Literary Agency Group scam.

Other scam agencies in this scam group are

The New York Literary Agency (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729)
The Christian Literary Agency (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13514)
The Children's (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8312) Literary Agency (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8286)
Stylus Literary (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=929) Agency (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=529)
The Screenplay Agency (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20359)

They were all originally ST Literary Agency. Before that, they were Sydra Techniques.

This is a group out of Boca Raton, Florida (the mailing address in New York City -- 275 Madison Avenue, 4th Floor -- is part of the scam -- that's a mail drop). They're owned by Robert M. Fletcher, an adjudged (http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-063-01.pdf) scammer (http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-021-01.pdf) (securities fraud in the state of Washington.)

The Poet's Agency has never in their lives sold a literary property to a commercial publisher.

This agency is an utter fraud.

What will Poet's Literary Agency do for you? They'll betray, bluff, burn, cheat, chisel, con, deceive, delude, diddle, double-cross, dupe, entice, exploit, finesse, flimflam, gyp, have, hoodwink, impose on, jockey, juggle, lure, manipulate, mislead, play, rook, rope in, scam, screw, seduce, shave, snow, stick, string along, suck in, take, take in, and trick you.

What they won't do is sell your work to a commercial publisher. They've been in business for seven years and they haven't managed yet.

I'm going to look at one little thing from their website at http://www.poetsliteraryagency.com/index.html


We do not charge reading fees or any other type of fee. We get paid when you get paid.This is pure BS. They'll charge plenty. They'll send you from one place to another, expecting you to pay a fee each time you land, all of them (the independent evaluations, the professional editors, and so on) owned and operated by Robert Fletcher. If you leave your checkbook in your pocket Fletcher will drop you faster than you can say "criminal conspiracy."


Our Successes We and our sister agencies have successfully negotiated contracts for a number of titles to date .Name them, Bobby. Go ahead and name your successes. Title, author, date. What's the matter? Cat got your tongue?

I'll leave you with this bit:


But it’s unlikely that any great poet ever scribbled off a memorable poem in a single afternoon. The brain just doesn’t work that way.

"Kubla Khan," by Samuel Taylor Coleridge.

Bobby's just proved out of his own mouth that he's not very familiar with poetry.

Fletcher doesn't have the contacts, he doesn't know the people, he doesn't have the background or training, and he's located in Boca Raton, Florida.

Stay away.

CaoPaux
09-19-2005, 08:25 PM
To echo others: Oh. My. Gawd.

It figures, though. Half the newbie questions I see are "what agents handle poetry?". Gaah. Pbbbt. May camel spiders (http://www.faunaimportuk.com/images/inverts/windspider3250.jpg) infest their bedrolls. http://deephousepage.com/smilies/eviltongue.gif

Dennis
09-25-2005, 12:38 PM
I got myself involved with poets Literary New York. I'm a poet and wrote my book. I can't start to describe how happy I was when I got my accept from them. Atlast someone, know what I mean? Then my mother warned me about scams, and I googled and found this site. Feeling quite down. Would gladly kick the living .... outta that guy.

DaveKuzminski
09-25-2005, 06:59 PM
Dennis, write to the New York State Attorney General with your complaints about that agency. Be sure to point out that they're part of the ST group presenting themselves falsely as being in New York.

If you know anyone else who contacted any of the ST group, urge them to also write the NY AG.

HapiSofi
09-30-2005, 06:05 AM
Latest scam agency in the Literary Agency Group scam. ...

This is a group out of Boca Raton, Florida (the mailing address in New York City -- 275 Madison Avenue, 4th Floor -- is part of the scam -- that's a mail drop). They're owned by Robert M. Fletcher, a convicted criminal (securities fraud in the state of Washington.)

They have never in their lives sold a literary property to a commercial publisher.

This agency is an utter fraud.That's putting it mildly. An agency that specializes in poetry? No way. Legit agents don't do poetry. There's no money in it at all.

Aconite
02-09-2006, 04:12 PM
Since the trolls and shills have been moving from one thread on Bobby Fletcher's companies to another, I may as well post this now:

For anyone coming in late, the Poets Literary Agency is one of a group of agencies run by Robert (Bobby) Fletcher, who was convicted of fraud*. They are:

Stylus Literary Agency (formerly Sydra Techniques, formerly ST Literary Agency)
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=929
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=529

New York Literary Agency
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=729

The Children’s Literary Agency
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8312
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8286

The Christian Literary Agency
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13514

The Poets Literary Agency
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19104

The Screenplay Agency
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20359

The front/mask/umbrella group is The Literary Agency Group, Inc.
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13517

*http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-063-01.pdf
http://www.dfi.wa.gov/sd/orders/SDO-021-01.pdf

kdnxdr
02-09-2006, 11:35 PM
What about Articles Distribution Services?

batgirl
02-10-2006, 01:45 AM
Our Successes We and our sister agencies have successfully negotiated contracts for a number of titles to date .
Zero is a number.
-Barbara

CaoPaux
03-14-2006, 01:12 AM
FYI: This agency has been named one of Writer Beware's 20 Worst Agents/Agencies (http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=525972#post525972).

sherryfine
04-18-2006, 06:44 AM
Dear Message Board Citizens;

Please take a few minutes to read an important message for writers.

The company has asked me to tell you, in my own words, what I do and to let you know just one aspect of what they do to help writers sell their work.

I work with Sherry Fine, our director of acquisitions, and I am using her login for speed and efficiency with this post. One cavet, I am in phone sales, so if there are grammar or spelling errors in the post, please realize that you are the writer, and that's your job to write 100% correctly, not mine.

See attached Message Board Citizens Rebuttal.

Cordially,

Rey Best

Sassenach
04-18-2006, 06:51 AM
Sherry, Sherry, Sherry...

You're getting awfully lazy. All you need is to cut and paste your 'rebuttal' from the other threads.

Dawno
04-18-2006, 06:57 AM
Isn't it a bad idea to open attachments and won't most people avoid that? Must not really want that "rebuttal" read. Why the heck couldn't whoever just cut and paste into the reply box??

janetbellinger
04-18-2006, 07:06 AM
Of course, I had to open it. I am the opposite of most people in that I get more naive as I age instead of less. The attachment stresses how upstanding the agency is and that they are trusted by publishers because they know Poets Literary will insist on the mss being critiqued and edited continuously. The attachment also announces that the agency is going into the publishing business and will publish "in partnership" with the authors. I wonder how much they're going to charge for that?

Sage
04-18-2006, 07:08 AM
Sherry Fine and Rey Best? :ROFL:

MartyKay
04-18-2006, 07:08 AM
Who is "Ray Kyle" then?? That name appears as the "Author" of the document, which is usually the profile name for the user.

triceretops
04-18-2006, 07:19 AM
Dear Message Board Citizens: My job is to constantly expand the company's relationship of buyers. As you know buyers in large companies change jobs and titles on a regular basis. I've found that about 25%, that's ¼ of the names that you can find in Writers Market, or various public sources are INCORRECT. So, my job is to live on the phone and email. I am paid to call buyers for our authors and for our database of contacts. Basically what I do is take a manuscript and a potential list of 30 buyers, and get on the phone and qualify the list. I call, I make sure that we have the right buyer's name, I check spelling and address, and most importantly, I confirm what they are 'Looking For Now'. When I find a qualified buyer with a need, I immediately communicate that to the Agents, and they aggressively go into our roster of authors to find matches for the buyer. Our materials are very well received by our buyers. Our buyers have learned that we posess one of the most qualified groups of authors in the industry. They know that all of our authors have been formally critiqued and edited. Our buyers know that they can trust what we send them. Our buyers know that we have filtered out the hobbyists from the authors that will do what it takes to succeed. Yes, we tell our authors that they have to reach industry standards.Doesn't every agency do that in one way or another? I can tell you from personal experience how frustrating it is to hear from a buyer that the work we are trying to sell isn't as good a the competing works they are looking at. So, if anything, our agency is becoming MORE demanding that our authors take their work as far as they can from a quality perspective. So, I hope that I have helped you see one aspect of an Agents job. The company spends a lot of money paying me to do nothing but find buyers and qualify them. And when I read this ongoing thread with all these bad words, written by people that have only sour grapes to say, I just wanted to let you know that "it isn’t so". Also, I can assure you that this company isn't a scam. I've known the principals for years and they do the best they can for their authors. They also pay their bills on a regular basis and they are beginning to acquire other companies in the industry.Here's a question… if a literary agency buys a publishing company so that they can publish or partner books they believe in, is that a conflict of interest?========================================I can tell you right now that the company is participating in a new business model. We're promoting a joint venture where we have put up $2500 in partnership with the author and the publisher to get the book out the door. That's unique! And that's how much we believe in what we are doing. The ad is in the PMA newsletter and has been for 4 months.A copy of the ad can be seen using this link.http://www.theliteraryagencygroup.com/pma-literaryagencyad.pdf (http://www.theliteraryagencygroup.com/pma-literaryagencyad.pdf)This really is important for you to think about. We think that we are the ONLY LITERARY AGENCY that has stepped up to put our own money behind certain authors that we represent. If you can find any other agency that has done this please let me know. This, to me, is brilliant, out of the box thinking that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that our company is behind our authors.=======================================Fur thermore, all this talk about who owns what is rubbish. This is business, and it's a lot like a Darwinian evolution. You either grow or prosper, or you go out of business and you die.If we can sell your work, we do. If we can't, then we will tell you why we think it isn't selling. Usually this means more work, and really, that's what most of the whining on these boards is about. So, in conclusion, the company is real, they've paid me a regular salary for years, and we're putting our heart and soul (and our money) behind our authors. Well, that's all the time I have for this post. Best to you and your writing career. I don't have the time to monitor this post so unfortunately; all the carping that will occur will be ignored. I have a real job to get back to. Cordially, Rey Best

triceretops
04-18-2006, 07:34 AM
Yeah, the author puts up the other $2,500 and that's all that gets ventured, and for a pod title at that.

Let me get this straight--she cold calls publishers asking who's ready for a book of poems, or is this the whole stable of agencies that are included?

And yes, Sherry ole gal, there is a conflict of interest if YOU ARE hooking up with publishers that are kicking back to your agency.

Tri

Gravity
04-18-2006, 07:35 AM
As our friends from south of the border say, "bullchit".

And that's to Bouncin' Bobby Fletcher, convicted conman, and his alter egos/sockpuppets Sherry Fine, Rey Best, Fernando Swell, Roy Okey-doke, and for all I know, Lt. Just-Ducky from M*A*S*H. Every mother's son of them is full of more banana oil, goose grease, and just plain crap than these old eyes have ever seen...save for PA's bushwah.

In the words of John Cleese: "Run awayyyy!"

John (who loathes tricksters)

PS: the above-referenced simpletons have yet to sell a book to a commercial house; yep, "revolutionaries" all

James D. Macdonald
04-18-2006, 07:41 AM
One cavet, I am in phone sales, so if there are grammar or spelling errors in the post, please realize that you are the writer, and that's your job to write 100% correctly, not mine.


Phone sales, you say?

Care to mention anything you've sold?

Ever?

To anyone?

Line-by-line on the rest of your twaddle soon.

triceretops
04-18-2006, 07:47 AM
Fine, I promice you this, you dawg. We have over 7,000 members in this group and maybe twice or three times that number who visit and learn from these boards. I can assure of this--everyone of them will spread the news about your slipshod crappola shister game, and those inturn will spread the news.

Until, ultimately, you fold, or end up in prison for fraud. Preferably both.

OUTRAGEOUS!

Tri

HapiSofi
04-18-2006, 08:33 AM
Hiya, Bobby. Love the "Sherry Fine" getup.

I'll stand by what I said before in this thread: real agents don't handle poetry, because there's no significant market for it. This means it's literally impossible for the Poets Literary Agency to be legitimate. Even if they were making real sales -- which would make them the only Robert Fletcher scam agency that's ever sold anything -- ten or fifteen percent of the proceeds still wouldn't be enough to keep a hamster in sunflower seeds, much less pay off Sherry Fine's phone bill. The only way the Poets Literary Agency can make money is off their own clients.

James D. Macdonald
04-18-2006, 10:10 AM
Line By Line, Part 1:


Message Board Citizens- Rebuttal !


Just to be clear, what you're supposed to be rebutting is that The Poets Literary Agency (like the rest of The Literary Agency Group) is a scam, a fake agency that has never sold anything in its life.



Dear Message Board Citizens;

Whatever that means. Have you actually read what's been posted here? Would you like to try to refute it?


Please take a few minutes to read an important message for writers.

Important Message to Writers: Money flows toward the author.



The company has asked me to tell you, in my own words, what I do and to let you know just one aspect of what they do to help writers sell their work.

Weirdly, your words sound almost exactly like Sherry Fine's words and Georgina Orr's words. Right the way down to the weird formatting.

You signed your post here "Rey Best," but the document's properties show it was written by "Ray Kyle." Are you sure they're your own words?



I work with Sherry Fine, our director of acquisitions, and I am using her login for speed and efficiency with this post.

Really? Where is she physically located? Where are you physically located? Is it true that your supposed New York address is a sham?



One cavet, I am in phone sales, so if there are grammar or spelling errors in the post, please realize that you are the writer, and that's your job to write 100% correctly, not mine.

So, what have you sold?



See attached Message Board Citizens Rebuttal.

Cordially,

Rey Best

Oh, I will, "Rey," or "Ray" or whatever your name is.

===============================
Line By Line, Part 2:

Dear Message Board Citizens:

Hi, R/o/b/e/r/t/ G/e/o/r/g/i/n/a/ S/h/e/r/r/y/ R/a/y/ Rey!


My job is to constantly expand the company's relationship of buyers.

A meaningless sentence if there ever was one. What exactly do you do? And who, exactly, are those buyers? A buyer is someone who buys things, right? Who's bought a literary work from you? Could you name one? Just one?


As you know buyers in large companies change jobs and titles on a regular basis.

Buyers? Is the word you're searching for "editors"?


I've found that about 25%, that's ¼ of the names that you can find in Writers Market, or various public sources are INCORRECT.

So? What agent uses Writer's Market or other public sources as their primary means of finding markets?


So, my job is to live on the phone and email.

Nice job if you can get it.


I am paid to call buyers for our authors and for our database of contacts.

How much are you paid? Wait! I know who you are! You're the guy who answered this ad:

Research Assistant For Agent Needed - Generate Publisher Lists
posted: 20 Feb 2006
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif Offered by:
The Literary Agency Group
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif Salary:
$17.50 per hour
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif Benefits:
Flexible hours
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif Duration:
Project or Part Time Basis
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif Location:
Any City USA - Internet
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif Requirements:
Seeking research assistant for our literary agents. Job entails generating lists of 5-10 potential publishers for authors we represent. $500 Bonus for successful sale that comes from your research. You can work from anywhere and we will train.
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif About Our
Company:
The Literary Agency Group is proud to represent the largest group of formally edited manuscripts in the world.
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif Contact:
Robert West - Principal
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif E-mail:
[email protected]
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Email only please
http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/s.gif Special
Instructions:
Email your background and resume please.
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Job #
2154
That ad was dated 20 February. You wrote your little "rebuttal" on the 17th of April, and posted it the same day. So you've been working with "Sherry" (where did you say she's located?) for a month and a half at most, and on that basis you're so certain this nest of scammers aren't scammers? Dude, they're scamming you, too.



Basically what I do is take a manuscript and a potential list of 30 buyers, and get on the phone and qualify the list.

That is to say, you call 'em on the phone to make sure their names are spelled right. Where does that list of 30 buyers come from?


I call, I make sure that we have the right buyer's name, I check spelling and address, and most importantly, I confirm what they are 'Looking For Now'.

This is just so pathetic. What are they 'looking for now'? Either they'll name the genre, or say something like "A work that surprises and delights." To get more specific, you'll have to stop cold-calling.



When I find a qualified buyer with a need, I immediately communicate that to the Agents, and they aggressively go into our roster of authors to find matches for the buyer.

Wait a minute! I thought you were starting with a specific work in hand. Which is it?


Our materials are very well received by our buyers.

Name one who's bought anything from you, or any of your "agents," ever.


Our buyers have learned that we posess one of the most qualified groups of authors in the industry.

Which industry would that be? Soybean farming? If you mean the publishing industry, why are your authors still unpublished?

You want to know who the most qualified group of authors in the publishing industry is? Go to a bookstore and look around.


They know that all of our authors have been formally critiqued and edited.

If you knew anything about the publishing industry you'd know why that sentence means nothing at all.


Our buyers know that they can trust what we send them.

Oh, they can trust it. They just can't publish it.


Our buyers know that we have filtered out the hobbyists from the authors that will do what it takes to succeed.

In other words, you've filtered out the people who know better than to pay fees to agents. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Editors aren't interested in who's a "hobbyist" and who isn't. They're interested in who's written a good book. That's what they care about. That's not what you're peddling, though. Which rather explains your lack of sales.


Yes, we tell our authors that they have to reach industry standards.

Which you do by accepting everything, then charging piles of back-door fees.

Do you know what editors call slush that's been edited before submission? They call it "slush."


Doesn't every agency do that in one way or another?

Other agencies (you know, the successful ones; the ones who sell books to publishers who can get books onto bookshelves) recognize that if a book can be made publishable by editing that the editors at a publishing house are standing by to do it, and that if a book can't be made publishable by editing that no amount of editing will make it publishable.

The other agencies don't accept everyone then send them on a round of paid edits and paid critiques where the money all comes back to Robert "Conman" Fletcher's pockets.


I can tell you from personal experience how frustrating it is to hear from a buyer that the work we are trying to sell isn't as good a the competing works they are looking at.

Oh, I quite believe that editors tell you that the works you're peddling aren't as good as the ones that other agencies are submitting. That's because edited slush is still slush, and the only writing talent you're looking for among your clients is talent writing checks.


So, if anything, our agency is becoming MORE demanding that our authors take their work as far as they can from a quality perspective.

You've added another couple of rounds of paid-edits-and-critiques? What's the matter? Afraid some of your writers are bailing out while they still have money in the bank?


So, I hope that I have helped you see one aspect of an Agents job.

Dude, you have no clue what an agent's job is.


The company spends a lot of money paying me to do nothing but find buyers and qualify them.

Are you trying to say that the "agents" at your agency don't know any editors personally?

So, what have you, or anyone, sold? Where's that money coming from? It's coming from the authors, right? It sure isn't coming from the publishers.


And when I read this ongoing thread with all these bad words, written by people that have only sour grapes to say, I just wanted to let you know that "it isn’t so".

You picked the shortest thread. You should read some of the longer ones. The single biggest complaint that anyone has, the single biggest question anyone asks, is this: What have you sold?

What "sour grapes"? You sound just like Georgina Orr/ Robert Fletcher / Sherry Fine.

If you're going to make it in the literary world you have to pay attention to what words mean.


Also, I can assure you that this company isn't a scam.

Really? What have they sold, ever, to anyone? How much does the typical client pay? Where does The Poets Literary Agency's money come from? Are you aware that there is essentially no paying market for poetry?


I've known the principals for years and they do the best they can for their authors.

Have you really? And who, exactly, are you?

The "best they can" doesn't seem to be very good.


They also pay their bills on a regular basis and they are beginning to acquire other companies in the industry.

Where's the money for that coming from? It sure isn't from book sales to publishers.


Here's a question… if a literary agency buys a publishing company so that they can publish or partner books they believe in, is that a conflict of interest?

Here's an answer: Yes.


========================================

I can tell you right now that the company is participating in a new business model. We're promoting a joint venture where we have put up $2500 in partnership with the author and the publisher to get the book out the door.

That isn't a new business model at all. "Co-publishing" or "joint-venture" publishing has a long and sour history. Those are fancy names for vanity publishing. Let me list some names that you might have heard of: Commonwealth Publishing. Northwest Publishing. Sovereign Publications. If those names don't mean anything to you I suggest you find out.


That's unique!


No, it isn't. And Dorothy Deering did four years in federal prison. She got off lightly. James Van Treese got thirty years.


And that's how much we believe in what we are doing.

You'll forgive me I'm sure if I think that the $2500 you're talking about will be all out of the author's pocket.


The ad is in the PMA newsletter and has been for 4 months.
A copy of the ad can be seen using this link.
http://www.theliteraryagencygroup.com/pma-literaryagencyad.pdf
This really is important for you to think about.

I've thought about it all that I care to: y'all are so incompetent that you can't even find a vanity press. Would it help if I gave you C. Lee Nunn's phone number? Those "three of these in early deal stages" seem to be the same "three" that you've had in early deal stages for a year now. When are you actually going to have a deal?


We think that we are the ONLY LITERARY AGENCY that has stepped up to put our own money behind certain authors that we represent.

Think about this: Why might that be true? Why don't the other literary agencies (you know, the ones who manage to sell books) consider paying kickbacks? And as far as it being your "own money," isn't it true that it's the authors' money? Isn't it true that you expect the authors to make the payments? "$2500 in partnership with the author" is how you put it.


If you can find any other agency that has done this please let me know.

The Deering Literary Agency.


This, to me, is brilliant, out of the box thinking that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that our company is behind our authors.

This, to me, shouts "Scam!" at the top of its lungs.


=======================================
Furthermore, all this talk about who owns what is rubbish.

Robert M. Fletcher, a career conman, owns all of the agencies in The Literary Agency Group, and he owns Writers Literary & Publishing Services, the critique-and-editing service that he sends hopeful writers to. Hardly "rubbish."


This is business, and it's a lot like a Darwinian evolution.

And you are like the unfortunate fatal mutation.


You either grow or prosper, or you go out of business and you die.

Since you've proven totally unable to sell books to publishers, why aren't you out of business?


If we can sell your work, we do.

Therefore it follows you can't sell your authors' works. Perhaps because you're the worst salesmen on the planet. Perhaps because your methods just plain don't work. Perhaps because you aren't actually submitting stuff.


If we can't, then we will tell you why we think it isn't selling.

"Because you haven't sent us enough money yet!"


Usually this means more work, and really, that's what most of the whining on these boards is about.

Thanks to y/o/u/r/ Sherry's other posts, I know what you mean by this. You're wrong.

There isn't any whining on these boards except from you and Robert and Sherry and Georgina: Those mean ol' author advocates say you shouldn't pay us! Wah! They say we've never sold anything! Wah! They say we're a bunch of scammers! Wah! Wah! Wahhhhhh!


So, in conclusion, the company is real, they've paid me a regular salary for years, and we're putting our heart and soul (and our money) behind our authors.

For years? Or since February 20, 2006 (assuming you called them the same day their ad appeared and they hired you on the spot).

For all your heart and soul and money, why haven't you managed to sell anything?



Well, that's all the time I have for this post.

Next time try to present a couple of checkable facts. Starting with your real name.


Best to you and your writing career.

Best to you and yours. I hear you get a lot of writing time in the federal pen. (Or you might luck out; Daniel Craig Deering just got probation.)


I don't have the time to monitor this post so unfortunately; all the carping that will occur will be ignored.

Aw, gee, and you just said that you "read this ongoing thread with all these bad words, written by people that have only sour grapes to say."

I'm not worried; you'll be back, or some other name will be back. You and "Sherry" and "Georgina" (and Peter and Paul) just can't stay away. Will the next round be more sockpuppets? Or some other fictitious name claiming to be an employee of Robert's? Do you know why I think you'll be back? Because the truth is hurting Robert Fletcher's business too badly to let him stay away. That's why he sends these limp defenders.

Do you want to know who won't ignore the "carping"? The potential victims of The Literary Agency Group. They're getting the word and passing it on to their friends. So whether or not some amateur troll returns to read this (and you are reading it, I know you by now), the real people who need to get the word are definitely reading this post, and all the others. They're weighing truth against lies, and you, my friend, come up short.


I have a real job to get back to.

Oh, don't hurry on my account. You've wasted your time so far (years, you say?) without getting a single sale. The few minutes it would take to read the replies to your drivel won't take that much out of your day.

Have you considered getting an honest job?


Cordially,

Rey Best

So, is your name really "Rey Best"? Who's the Ray Kyle who wrote the document you posted?

triceretops
04-18-2006, 11:22 AM
Cousin Chris bows to Uncle Jim. That was fab, James. You've left them with no legs to stand on. Which is unfortunate for us cause them lil bastids are centipedes.

Imagine, that poster/employee of the agency gets a $500.00 bonus for making a special sale, plus 17.50 per hour to jibber jabber on the phone. I wonder if any writer has received an advance payment of $500.00. Oh, I forgot...no sales.

So that claim of five big ones is moot--a desperate attempt to convince us of how doggedly you go after sales. You should be going after editors at conferences, forums, expos, and writing conventions. Ever hear of the internet? I dunno, I've found publisher's info to be pretty up-to-date on the internet, and you can certainly email them to find out if something's changed.

We're just one of the many writer's groups taking you down. Since the "20 Worst" list went out, all hell is breaking asunder and you're loosing your grip on author's purses/wallets.

By golly, we ought to have a second list that is comprised of runners up in the "20 Worst" catagory.

THANK YOU VICTORIA, ANN, JAMES, DAVE, ED, SOOTS AND ALL YOU CENTURIONS WIELDING THE SWORD. OUR TIME IS AT HAND.

Tri

DaveKuzminski
04-18-2006, 05:09 PM
Conflict of interest? You better believe it.

JerseyGirl1962
04-18-2006, 06:01 PM
================================================
Quote: This is business, and it's a lot like a Darwinian evolution.
================================================

And you are like the unfortunate fatal mutation.


==================================================
Quote: Usually this means more work, and really, that's what most
of the whining on these boards is about.
==================================================

Thanks to y/o/u/r/ Sherry's other posts, I know what you mean by this. You're wrong.

There isn't any whining on these boards except from you and Robert and Sherry and Georgina: Those mean ol' author advocates say you shouldn't pay us! Wah! They say we've never sold anything! Wah! They say we're a bunch of scammers! Wah! Wah! Wahhhhhh!




:ROFL:

Brilliant, just brilliant! After a lousy commute into work, this made my day. :D

~Nancy

LloydBrown
04-18-2006, 06:17 PM
Cordially,
Rey Best

Can we get an IP ping on this? Is it the same as Sherry's previous posts?

victoriastrauss
04-18-2006, 06:46 PM
Here's a question… if a literary agency buys a publishing company so that they can publish or partner books they believe in, is that a conflict of interest?Uh, yeah--and also interesting this should be mentioned, as I've suspected for some time that Bobby and cronies have done exactly that.

I can tell you right now that the company is participating in a new business model. We're promoting a joint venture where we have put up $2500 in partnership with the author and the publisher to get the book out the door.That's unique! And that's how much we believe in what we are doing. The ad is in the PMA newsletter and has been for 4 months.A copy of the ad can be seen using this link.http://www.theliteraryagencygroup.com/pma-literaryagencyad.pdf (http://www.theliteraryagencygroup.com/pma-literaryagencyad.pdf)Bobby et al have made this pitch before--once through their editing branch (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=336106&postcount=907) (which makes it clear who will actually be forking over that $2,500) and once at Publishers Marketplace (http://www.publishersmarketplace.com/cgi-bin/displayRights.pl?rights_no=3405).

We think that we are the ONLY LITERARY AGENCY that has stepped up to put our own money behind certain authors that we represent. If you can find any other agency that has done this please let me know.First off, it's not your money. Do you seriously expect us to believe that $2,500 won't come from the authors? Secondly, you're absolutely right--we can't think of any other agency that has "done this. " Because when other literary agencies place manuscripts, it's based on the ms.'s merits, not on bribes to publishers.

- Victoria

James D. Macdonald
04-18-2006, 07:14 PM
Secondly, you're absolutely right--we can't think of any other agency that has "done this. "


What, agents promoting co-publishing ventures? I can think of three right off the top of my head: the Deering Literary Agency, Canadian Literary Associates, and Trident Media of Washington, DC.

xhouseboy
04-19-2006, 03:54 AM
Dear Message Board Citizens;

Please take a few minutes to read an important message for writers.

The company has asked me to tell you, in my own words, what I do and to let you know just one aspect of what they do to help writers sell their work.

I work with Sherry Fine, our director of acquisitions, and I am using her login for speed and efficiency with this post. One cavet, I am in phone sales, so if there are grammar or spelling errors in the post, please realize that you are the writer, and that's your job to write 100% correctly, not mine.

See attached Message Board Citizens Rebuttal.

Cordially,

Rey Best

Dear Rey,

And that would be the same Sherry Fine who recently posted a rebuttal of all the accusations posted against her name. The same Sherry Fine who just days after this rebuttal responded to a load of nonsense I sent to her, and claimed that she wished to see the screenplay based on the utter garbage she received.

Two options here. She's a dyed-in-the-wool scamster, or not very bright at all - in fact, bordering on completely stupid. Probably both, if you and she think that anyone with a solitary brain cell pays any heed to your garbage.

It's in the jail you and your ilk should be, pal. Not still slithering about the Net desperately trying to flog your snake oil. A century ago, you and Sherry would have found yourselves dumped in the desert and it would have taken a week to scrub the tar and feathers off.

Cordially,

Someone who'd like to kick your arse.

MartyKay
04-19-2006, 09:13 AM
The company spends a lot of money paying me to do nothing
Fixed!!!

HapiSofi
04-20-2006, 07:02 AM
Uncle Jim, that was a spectacular takedown, and yet I believe there's a very significant point you missed.

What this fellow is describing is the lengthy process of putting together a list of houses, acquiring editors, what kind of work they're looking for, etc., starting from absolute ground zero. He's working from publicly available general resources.

What this means is that Fletcher's agencies haven't previously had any of that information on hand.

Do you see the implications?

This guy is pure gold. He's just done us an enormous favor. What he's demonstrated, in considerable detail, is that Robert Fletcher's "literary agencies" haven't previously had on hand, in the office, the most basic information any agent would need in order to sell manuscripts to publishing houses. If they did, they wouldn't be having an inexperienced outsider recompile it for them from scratch for seventeen bucks an hour.

They have not been acting as agents. He's just proved it.

The other reason to be nice to him is that Fletcher has screwed him over, too. He thinks he's in line for significant commissions if he makes sales. Fletcher & Co. can't have told him, at the time they were offering him this gig, that poetry doesn't sell.

triceretops
04-20-2006, 07:23 AM
That's a good point, Hapi...provided this individual is not some cooked up fabrication of Bobby's doing to deliberately try to show some type of status. Seeing all of the corners and scams Fletcher's got going on, I find it almost impossible to believe that he'd pay this employeee that rate and hang a bonus out there of that amount with the express purpose of REALLY finding editor/buyers for the poetry books that Fletcher knows damn well won't sell. He's been doing this too long, and I think he's just tapped into the lucrative market of hopeful poetry writers.

What do you want to bet that the next incarnation won't be the "Memoire Lit Agency" or the "Diary Lit Agency" ?????

Tri

HapiSofi
04-20-2006, 07:26 AM
Whether it's Bobby or an employee, that's a real process being described there, and it's one that ought never need to be undertaken by a literary agency that's supposedly been in business for years.

DaveKuzminski
04-20-2006, 04:16 PM
I fully agree with you, Hapi.

James D. Macdonald
04-20-2006, 05:18 PM
Uncle Jim, that was a spectacular takedown, and yet I believe there's a very significant point you missed.

What this fellow is describing is the lengthy process of putting together a list of houses, acquiring editors, what kind of work they're looking for, etc., starting from absolute ground zero. He's working from publicly available general resources.

What this means is that Fletcher's agencies haven't previously had any of that information on hand.

I touched on that briefly when I said:


What agent uses Writer's Market or other public sources as their primary means of finding markets?

and:



Are you trying to say that the "agents" at your agency don't know any editors personally?

This fellow certainly gave us a lot of material. All of it adds up to the fact that Fletcher's agencies are shams and scams.

HapiSofi
04-21-2006, 12:19 AM
All of it adds up to the fact that Fletcher's agencies are shams and scams.Are shams and scams, and have never been anything else, in all the years they've so far been in business.

bhb
04-25-2006, 07:22 PM
I'm glad I checked the cretins out at NYLA first before sending them anything. When you send out 50 queries & get 49 rejections, you tend to jump at any favorable response. Unfortunately NYLA is a crap scam. It is so dispiriting.

My question is this: has ANYONE in this forum written a book, sent out queries--COLD--with no connections, received a favorable response, and actually had their book published? Or at least gotten an agent out of the process?

When you go to the bookstore and see Dennis Rodman has three books out, it's hard not to get depressed about the whole process.

JerseyGirl1962
04-25-2006, 07:28 PM
bhb,

Firstly, :welcome:.

Secondly, don't get depressed.

Dennis Rodman is a celebrity, thus he's already well known to the public. You and I are not (I'm not at the "getting an agent" stage as yet, though).

If you've had 49 rejections, that's telling you something; either your query letter isn't hooking in the agents or your ms. isn't. Have you checked out the Share Your Work forum here? It might be a good idea to have eyes other than yours look at what you've got. I belong to an online critique group, and it has helped me quite a bit: I've had to rethink my current WIP, and I think it's gotten much better than when I originally wrote it.

And, yes, if you google James Macdonald's name or Victoria Strauss' name (among others on AW), you'll find that they've written quite a number of commercially-published books between them. And remember that they were once first-time novelists, too.

Get cracking - and good luck! :)

~Nancy

James D. Macdonald
04-25-2006, 07:29 PM
IMy question is this: has ANYONE in this forum written a book, sent out queries--COLD--with no connections, received a favorable response, and actually had their book published? Or at least gotten an agent out of the process?

The answer is: Yes, many of the folks here have.

I'm one of them.

Don't even think about the celebrity books -- they're playing in a different ball game, in a different stadium, than we are.

sherryfine
05-03-2006, 05:07 PM
Dear Message Board Citizens:

The company has asked me to tell you, in my own words, what I do and to let
you know just one aspect of what they do to help writers sell their work.

I work with Sherry Fine, our director of acquisitions, and I am using her
login for speed and efficiency with this post. One caveat, I'm in phone
sales, so if there are grammar or spelling errors in this post, please
realize that you are the writer, and that's your job to write 100%
correctly, not mine.

My job is to constantly expand the company's relationship of buyers. As you
know buyers in large companies change jobs and titles on a regular basis.
I've found that about 25%, that's 1/4 names that you can find in Writers
Market, or various public sources are INCORRECT.

So, my job is to live on the phone and email. I am paid to call buyers for
our authors and for our database of contacts.

Basically what I do is take a manuscript and a potential list of 30 buyers,
and get on the phone and qualify the list. I call, I make sure that we have
the right buyer's name, I check spelling and address, and most importantly,
I confirm what they are 'Looking For Now'. When I find a qualified buyer
with a need, I immediately communicate that to the Agents, and they
aggressively go into our roster of authors to find matches for the buyer.

Our materials are very well received by the buyers. Our buyers have learned
that we posess one of the most qualified groups of authors in the industry.
They know that all of our authors have been formally critiqued and edited.
Our buyers know that they can trust what we send them. Our buyers know that
we have filtered out the hobbyists from the authors that will do what it
takes to succeed.

Yes, we tell our authors that they have to reach industry standards.
Doesn't every agency do that in one way or another? I can tell you from
personal experience how frustrating it is to hear from a buyer that the work
we are trying to sell isn't as good a the competing works they are looking
at. So, if anything, our agency is becoming MORE demanding that our authors
take their work as far as they can from a quality perspective.

So, I hope that I have helped you see one aspect of an Agents job. The
company spends a lot of money paying me to do nothing but find buyers and
qualify them. And when I read this ongoing thread with all these bad words,
written by people that have only sour grapes to say, I just wanted to let
you know that "it ain't so".

Also, I can assure you that this company isn't a scam. I've known the
principals for years and they do the best they can for their authors. They
also pay their bills on a regular basis and they are beginning to acquire
other companies in the industry.

Here's a question.. if a literary agency buys a publishing company so that
they can publish or partner books they believe in, is that a conflict of
interest?
========================================
I can tell you right now that the company is participating in a new business
model. We're promoting a joint venture where we have put up $2500 in
partnership with the author and the publisher to get the book out the door.
That's unique! And that's how much we believe in what we are doing. The ad
is in the PMA newsletter and has been for 4 months.
A copy of the ad can be seen using this link.
http://www.theliteraryagencygroup.com/pma-literaryagencyad.pdf
This really is important for you to think about. We think that we are the
ONLY LITERARY AGENCY that has stepped up to put our own money behind
certain authors that we represent. If you can find any other agency that
has done this please let me know. This, to me, is brilliant, out of the box
thinking, that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that our company is behind
our authors.

=======================================


Furthermore, all this talk about who owns what is rubbish. This is
business, and it's a lot like a Darwinian evolution. You either grow and
prosper, or you go out of business and you die.

If we can sell your work, we do. If we can't, then we will tell you why we
think it isn't selling. Usually this means more work, and really, that's
what most of the whining on these boards is about.

So, in conclusion, the company is real, they've paid me a regular salary for
years, and we're putting our heart and soul (and our money) behind our
authors.

Well, that's all the time I have for this post. Best to you and your
writing career. I don't have the time to monitor this post so
unfortunately, all the carping that will occur will be ignored. I have a
real job to get back to.


RKForever

MadScientistMatt
05-03-2006, 05:28 PM
Ray,

That is such an obvious cut and paste job that I can still smell the glue on it.

May I suggest you try and come up with some new material? A good starting point would be a list of books that your agency has actually sold to legitimate, advance and royalty paying publishers. You've been working there a couple years - surely you ought to know of a dozen sales or more.

JerseyGirl1962
05-03-2006, 05:29 PM
Oy...here, too.

I guess today is Spam AW Day for Sherry/RK Forever/Bobby/Whomever. And they can't even bother to make changes from their earlier spam.
Pardon me while I snooze. :sleepy:

~Nancy

James D. Macdonald
05-03-2006, 05:35 PM
Hi, RKForever/Sherryfine/Robert!

I did a line-by-line on this twaddle last time you posted it. Here's the link.

http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19104&page=1&pp=25

Come up with some new material -- this nonsense has already been refuted. In this very thread.

aka eraser
05-03-2006, 05:42 PM
We should thank Bobby/Sherry for ensuring these threads stay near the top of the board so newbies can find them easily.

DaveKuzminski
05-03-2006, 07:05 PM
Shh! You're not supposed to tell them about that. It's supposed to be a secret. ;)

DeadlyAccurate
05-03-2006, 07:09 PM
I wondered why all of Fletcher's threads suddenly popped up to the top of the screen.

Lucy_Lou
08-06-2006, 07:16 PM
I just wanted to leave a message to say thanks to everyone for posting all this information about this agency, and what a scam it is.

I was really happy when I received a positive response from them, but at the same time, very dubious!

They replied very quickly saying they liked my work. Then in less than two days said they loved my poetry (I'd only sent them three poems!) and that they thought they could sell it, I also recieved the contract and critique agency address on sunday afternoon.

I was very suspicious about this agency, and thought that it didnt quite ring true, so I went looking on google, and I'm very happy to have found this forum, which confirmed my suspicions.

So thankyou to all for letting me know exactly what this agency is like, before I thought about wasting $70-80 on a critique!

HapiSofi
08-07-2006, 12:36 AM
Good on you, Lucy, and thanks for letting us know.

Litman24
09-12-2006, 12:08 PM
Thank you for these threads. Being a new author trying to find a good home for my stories I am definantly taking this to heart.

GaryBuglass
10-23-2006, 11:11 PM
I can't believe this is the latest scam from Robert "give us your money" Fletcher.

A literary agency for poems? How can they be getting away with this??

I fell for the SCREENPLAY AGENCY scam and unfortunately lost out on $95 for a critique because I genuinely believed they were legitimate.

How wrong I was. The only thing I'd pay for now is five minutes alone in a room with Bobby Fletcher!! :rant:

James D. Macdonald
02-27-2007, 04:27 AM
There's a new scam in town: Writers Literary Agency & Marketing Company (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56488). They've supposedly "acquired" The Literary Agency Group (home of Sydra Techniques/ST Literary Agency/Stylus Literary Agency/The New York Literary Agency/Christian Literary Agency/Childrens Literary Agency/Poets Literary Agency/The Screenplay Agency).

Same cast of characters, same lack of sales, same fraud.

triceretops
02-27-2007, 04:35 AM
They keep morphing, don't they Jim? They're trying hard to stay one step ahead of their bad reputation, which is hot on their heels. Will they ever run out of breath, or finally be caught by the darkman?

Tri

James D. Macdonald
02-27-2007, 04:46 AM
Have you noticed how often legitimate agencies change their names? Like, never?

triceretops
02-27-2007, 04:53 AM
Of course, because their reputations were intact from the start. Unaware of these continous name changes, newbies can fall right into their clutches.

James D. Macdonald
03-06-2007, 01:02 AM
The Poets Literary Agency has renamed itself as WL Poets Agency, www.wlpoetsagency.com.

eddo
03-14-2007, 06:24 AM
Evening all, just to let you know that the infamous bobbys reach extends further than the great states of america.

L'il bastard almost had me, and i'm from blighty!!!

Ms Fine mailed me today to tell me she wanted my book and after a quick google search of the WL Agency guess where i ended up?

So to all of you many thanks for the warning, youv saved me hell from the sounds of it.

And just to return the favour i'm going to mail Ms Fine and ask her a few questions, any answers i get will be posted here.

Once again many thanks everyone, keep up the good work!!

eddo
03-14-2007, 06:48 AM
I feel so dirty!!!

I feel so used!!!!!

Sassenach
03-14-2007, 07:18 AM
And just to return the favour i'm going to mail Ms Fine and ask her a few questions, any answers i get will be posted here.



Waste of time and pixels. You'll simply receive the usual auto-responder crap.

eddo
03-14-2007, 09:47 PM
Well you were wrong Sassenach, I got a reply from MS Fine herself.

Of course it was still full of crap.

She evaded all of my questions and basically labled me as a writer who was paranoid of having their work stolen.

She also contradicted herself when i asked her about the authors that had been published through WL agency, saying that they were a new company looking for new talent with no mentiong to the existing talent or deals that had been made.

The shameful thing is that even upto that point i wanted to believe and with the right answers may well have been willing to try to live the dream at the expense of ignoring my commn sense and the various warnings.

Its just such a kick in the pants, i thought that i might have actually been getting somewhere!!!

These B****** should be nailed to the F****** wall!!!

Once agian thanks guys, and before i go, would any of youse guys happen to be an agent looking to pick up a crime fiction novel?

No?

Just though i'd ask!!!

James D. Macdonald
03-15-2007, 03:21 AM
Hi, Eddo.

You might consider Miriam Altshuler or Kimberley Cameron. There are many others. Check over at http://www.agentresearch.com/index.shtml or ask here in Ask the Agent (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=58) or Novels (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2) or Mystery (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=38).

See also:


The Safest Way To Search For an Agent (http://www.sff.net/people/VictoriaStrauss/agentsearch.html)

Lonzw
09-11-2007, 11:41 PM
Mr. MacDonald: Thanks you so much for posting the infomation regarding the agency mentioned above. Before I even sent a nickle to them I realize they truly are a scam. They offered me a contract for my poetry (which had alread been critiqued) and insisted that I used their service (for a fee of course). That notwithstanding they could not provide me even one poet that has been published because of their efforts.

Besides all the postings I have read my 'red flag' was the fact that they would not even agree to have a phone conversation with me...common sense. I was born at night but not last night.

AC Crispin
09-12-2007, 05:48 AM
I trust that everyone who has lost money to this company has gotten in touch with me to find out the best way to proceed?

-Ann C. Crispin
Chair, Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com
[email protected]

Candy
10-01-2007, 09:45 PM
I have a collection of poetry that I am desperate to have published. I recently heard back from WL poets agency saying that need my work critiqued and they have sent a contract. Through someone's advice I checked them out and found this site. I'd just like to say thank you very much to everyone who has posted their comments about the scam agency. I'm so glad that I dodn't go any further with them. Does anyone know of any bona fide agencies for poets?

Momento Mori
10-02-2007, 01:56 PM
Hi, Candy and welcome to Absolute Write. I hope you stick around.

It's difficult to find agents or publishers for poetry because there isn't much money to be made from it. Hopefully some of the other members will be able to give you specific suggestions or who to try, but you could also check out the Writers and Artist's Year Book, if you're in the UK as that's a pretty reliable directory of agents and publishers (and you can double check back here if you've got any questions or want to check anything).

There's also a poetry discussion forum herehttp://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14 if you want to check out that.

MM

James D. Macdonald
10-02-2007, 03:03 PM
Hi, Candy.

You don't need an agent to submit poetry anywhere. Which is just as well, since legitimate agents don't handle poetry (except, perhaps, as a favor to existing clients, or if you're already Robert Bly).

Here's what to do:

Where do you find the poetry that you yourself read? Look on the masthead of those magazines and look for submission information. Write for their guidelines and follow those guidelines to the letter.

As Momento said, the Writers' and Artists' Yearbook is what you'll want if you're in the UK (or wish to submit in the UK). If you're in the USA, get a copy of the Poet's Market (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/1582974993/ref=nosim/madhousemanor/) (2008 is the current edition). Look for appropriate markets. Get their guidelines and follow those guidelines to the letter.

The good news is that many magazines print poetry as filler, so the market isn't as tight as short stories. The bad news is that the payment is often a token. As far as publishing collections of poetry, the situation is bleak. Garner a whole bunch of major awards, then ask again.

Take heart that you avoided WL Writers' scam. They'd get you to pay for their critique (something that they're fully incompetent to do), but they'd have no better luck than you would yourself at selling your work. I'truth, you'll have better luck than they would, because you'll actually submit your material, and you'll only send it to appropriate markets.

KTC
10-02-2007, 03:07 PM
Hello Candy,

Thank God you found AW. I'm glad for you. Like James said...you do NOT need an agent to submit poetry. Follow his Poet's Market lead. You can also find some great market leads around the net. Just google Paying Poetry Markets, or the like. Do not look for an agent for your poetry.

sandyn
10-02-2007, 07:27 PM
As some of you might know, I was almost sucked in by WL Literary Agency.

Why, oh why, hasn't this scammer been arrested and put in jail??? He solicits money and provides nothing.

James D. Macdonald
10-03-2007, 12:36 AM
Well you were wrong Sassenach, I got a reply from MS Fine herself.

Of course it was still full of crap.

She evaded all of my questions and basically labled me as a writer who was paranoid of having their work stolen.

It was a form letter, one that we've seen many times before.

T.Trivett
12-10-2007, 10:29 PM
I have been researching this company & should have known I'd find all of the info I needed right here.

Thanks James and all.

E. S. Lark
04-17-2008, 03:08 PM
I have been looking to get my collection out there and when i found wlpoetry i decided to apply. They seemed very nice and so I sent in one poem . . . then got accepted and sent in 3 more. I am now waiting on a referral for a critique. Something this morning told me to look them up . . . wanted to read more on their site . . . but when i used google, this was the first thing I saw. I cannot believe i fell for this and even got my hopes up. Thanks everyone, for warning me.

cethklein
04-17-2008, 03:11 PM
Question: Why do people even fall for things like this? Any agency with a name as generic as "The Poets' Literary Agency" obviously isn't very professional.

KTC
04-17-2008, 03:14 PM
Question: Why do people even fall for things like this? Any agency with a name as generic as "The Poets' Literary Agency" obviously isn't very professional.


When someone answers your dream and you are anxious to be 'discovered' it's fairly easy to be lured. I'm guessing.

underthecity
04-17-2008, 10:05 PM
It's also an act of desperation. Perhaps you've submitted your to so many places, then one finally says yes. And it so happens that it's this WL Agency, PL Agency, and even Publishamerica. The joy happens first, common sense kicks in later, hence the visit from kyva, candy, Lonzw, etc.

(Just found out that, completely by accident, this comment is similar to this one in the PA thread (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2271235&postcount=9411).)

allen

gophergrrrl
04-22-2008, 01:38 AM
Hey, I just posted @ http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/008839.html, but I thought I might get a quicker response here. (I'm going to copy and paste my post-- I'm lazy hehe)

<i>Hey guys, I was looking some more up on the 'agency', and I came across something that confused me.
Go Here: http://www.wlwritersagency.com/TheEnemyIsWithin.html
Now, go to this page on Amazon's site: http://www.amazon.com/Out-Time-Patrick-G-Cox/dp/1425959954

Does WL really represent this guy? Or do they just pick random people and put up phony pages on their site, claiming to represent them? How did this guy go from WL to selling on Amazon? It doesn't say (or maybe I missed it?) that this guy 'self published' this book. What's up with that? Did WL really get him a deal or what?

</i>

IceCreamEmpress
04-22-2008, 01:41 AM
It doesn't say (or maybe I missed it?) that this guy 'self published' this book.

AuthorHouse is a self-publishing service.

xhouseboy
04-22-2008, 04:44 AM
AuthorHouse is a self-publishing service.

I just read his blog. Seems like he was taken in by the WL aggressive marketing strategy shite, website to attract publishers and all that. And this part of the scam normally comes into play after the ms has been milked for all its worth at the 'editing' stage.

So after Sherry's taken her whack he still ends up shelling out again to Author House????

Sad.

James D. Macdonald
04-22-2008, 06:15 AM
AuthorHouse is a self-publishing service.

You're being kind. AuthorHouse is a vanity press. The only writing ability they're looking for in an author is the ability to write a check.

gophergrrrl
04-28-2008, 01:55 AM
Craziness! This guy (sorry, I completely forgot what his name was-- er, what he said it was) who claimed to be a representative for some branch of critique payment plans called and was asking me about whether or not I was going to pay, and I humored him and went on with the conversation, just out of curiosity about what he'd say. He became a little unnerved at me a couple of times, and he didn't really handle himself in much of a professional manner, but it was definitely interesting! Are there any cases with any of you where you were actually contacted by phone from these guys?

Oh, and if you know where there is a more active thread (with more traffic than this one) about WL, could someone please either paste my message there or send me a message and let me know to head that way? I'm new around here and I just keep getting lost in all the threads! And is there anyway that someone can get my 'wl phone call experience' story to Victoria Strauss or James McDonald? I'd love to hear their thoughts on this! =o]

batgirl
05-09-2008, 08:28 AM
Hi gopher, and probably someone's already PMed you the information, but just in case - the WL thread you probably want is here:
http://absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62493

and the simplest way to give your info to Victoria or James is to find one of their posts, click on the profile and pm or email them through it.
-Barbara

James D. Macdonald
05-09-2008, 04:07 PM
A phone call? That's new.

AC Crispin
05-09-2008, 08:02 PM
I had heard about this. And...the person to get in touch with is me.

The buck stops here.

[email protected]

-Ann C. Crispin
Chair, Writer Beware
www.writerbeware.com

AC Crispin
10-16-2008, 06:50 PM
There is, and has been, an ALERT up on Writer Beware for people who have had problems with Writers Literary Agency, Strategic Book Publishing, Eloquent, New York Literary Agency, S.T. Literary Agency, WL Children's Literary Agency, WL Screenplay Agency, The Literary Agency Group, Global, or any of the other Robert Fletcher owned "agencies" or "publishing companies."

Just go to www.writerbeware.com and it's right there on the front page



Gives contact info, etc.



If you have had problems, please check out this ALERT.



-Ann C. Crispin

Chair, Writer Beware

www.writerbeware.com

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stan_cohen
09-11-2009, 11:21 PM
Okay, so I've just found this website, and realised how much of an idiot I was to believe in this company.

I thankfully haven't gone too far though, but I have paid around £60 for my "initial critique" which apperantly is a load of rubbish...so it there any way I cna get my money back? And I mean anyway, I am fuming at the moment, I will not stop chasing them for my money back now...how should I go about this?

DaveKuzminski
09-12-2009, 01:28 AM
Add your complaint and any documentation you have to those the Florida Attorney General already has.

James D. Macdonald
09-12-2009, 04:35 AM
Stan: if you're overseas, you might consider getting your consulate folks involved.

bebeland
08-18-2011, 10:19 PM
i was almost scammed by one of their 'sister companies'. thankfully, i escaped.

C. K. Casner
08-19-2011, 04:40 AM
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