DNA factory to open within six months

Zoombie said:

Two words for all peak oilers: HAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAH

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Oh you done it now.
*Ducks for cover.*

*ducks*

Zoombie said:

Two words for all peak oilers: HAAAAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAH

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What I think you're missing is peak oilers don't WANT the oil to run out, they just feel it's going to. If oil runs out everything everywhere will screech to a halt, wars will flare up over the last barrels, and billions of people will die. Do you think anyone honestly wants that?

If there's a way to prevent this from happening, from adverting this possible disaster, I think any sane person would be all for it and yes that includes peak oilers.

I have to say I'm nervous about the energy supply myself and if there's a way to secure it, especially without more disasters like the gulf, I say heck yeah!

Just because someone thinks something bad is going to happen though doesn't mean they want it or are rooting for it. I'll use Y2K as an example. Certain people saw a problem, they shouted about it, drummed up interest, companies, individuals, and government got off their butts and fixed the problem so that instead of the big disaster feared, it came in with a whimper. Most people who had warned about the problem were extremely happy it was fixed.

Sure you have a few nutjobs who can't wait for it all to come crashing down, but most don't.

Zoombie said:

No, I know they don't WANT oil to run out. I'm more laughing at how they've built themselves an elaborate fantasy end of the world scenario, working it into their brains over and over and over until it becomes a religious certainty, so that ANY changes to this possible future MUST be ignored.

Or else peak oil won't happen. And it has to happen. I mean, if it doesn't happen, they might be...wrong. But they've so much smarter than all those short sighted, ignorant sheeple.

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I wouldn't trumpet the triumpth of humanity over resource scarcity just yet. Because you might be, you know...wrong too.

Awesome.

Magical energy! Crisis averted!

This is great, it will only take OXPBIO 3 or 4 years to build their first plant if things go as expected! Oh, wait, that's their bioacrylic... I guess there are NO PLANS as of yet to build a fuel plant. But still! That as of yet unplanned and completely hypothetical plant will produce bio-diesel at a rate maybe twice as fast as current technologies and cost only $2.50/ gallon they say! Gee, it only took 10 years for ethanol to become 5% of our fuel market... But I'm sure we can hold out the 30 years or so before nanofuels become 5% of the market or so... and then, it's only a short lil' while before we're in the clear! We should have this energy thing ironed out by early next century!

And of course, these biofuels will still emit carbon... but I'm sure a solution to that is just around the corner.

So lets see, when is this peak oil thing coming? Ok, according to the US military, it's happening...

WHAT? RIGHT NOW?!!

And even if we find sustainable energy production that will only hasten global warming, ecosystem collapse and the depletion of other scarce resources?




Oh... US Military predicts 10m barrel a day shortfall by 2015 and the first plant won't even be built yet? Bart!

But seriously, this is cool tech. It's a big step up from current bio fuel techs in terms of environmental impact.

And I'm not really even a "peak oiler," or at least not a good one. I just think it's silly to declare that this one tech solves resource scarcity without so much as looking at start-up and infrastructure cost, environmental impact and EROEI.

Yep, I'd even call 1 DNA "factory" = 90,000,000BBL/Day fuel production a sort of religious leap of faith.

I suspect this attempt to manufacture life will work as well as Dr. Frankenstein's.

Romantic Heretic said:

I suspect this attempt to manufacture life will work as well as Dr. Frankenstein's.

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Based on what, exactly?

JimmyB27 said:

Based on what, exactly?

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Why, the wisdom of the Blue Oyster Cult:

"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly in men"

Diana Hignutt said:

Why, the wisdom of the Blue Oyster Cult:

"History shows again and again how nature points out the folly in men"

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You know Frankenstein wasn't history, right? Mary Shelley made it up.

JimmyB27 said:

You know Frankenstein wasn't history, right? Mary Shelley made it up.

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Actually, it is a true story, of sorts, but the names were changed to protect the guilty. Lot's of people tried to make homoculi, a few of them are alleged to have succeeded.

But, the BOC song is really about Godzilla, and I was joking.

Zoombie said:

No, I know they don't WANT oil to run out. I'm more laughing at how they've built themselves an elaborate fantasy end of the world scenario, working it into their brains over and over and over until it becomes a religious certainty, so that ANY changes to this possible future MUST be ignored.

Or else peak oil won't happen. And it has to happen. I mean, if it doesn't happen, they might be...wrong. But they've so much smarter than all those short sighted, ignorant sheeple.

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This.

I'm just saying we're not that good at being human yet. And now we want to be gods?

icerose said:

What I think you're missing is peak oilers don't WANT the oil to run out, they just feel it's going to.

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I disagree. I think they do want it to run out, just so they can go, "See? I told you so." They seem to take glee in doom.

Romantic Heretic said:

I'm just saying we're not that good at being human yet. And now we want to be gods?

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Depends on your take on it. Our species is pretty damn dominant.

Shadow_Ferret said:

I disagree. I think they do want it to run out, just so they can go, "See? I told you so." They seem to take glee in doom.

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QFT.

(yes, I realise this contradicts a part of my agreement with Zoom)

Romantic Heretic said:

I'm just saying we're not that good at being human yet. And now we want to be gods?

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We're actually very good at being human, unless you mean we ought to be some kind of idealized being that is in fact quite inhuman.

We're a quarrelsome ape, just like all the other great apes. And we're very good at being that.

Maxinquaye said:

We're actually very good at being human, unless you mean we ought to be some kind of idealized being that is in fact quite inhuman.

We're a quarrelsome ape, just like all the other great apes. And we're very good at being that.

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Quarrelsome apes with nukes.

Which are waaaay cooler to fling than poo.

Of course our closest great ape cousins, the bonobos, aren't quarrelsome at all. They're too busy makin' on the jungle boogie love.

And there have been many human cultures like that too.

Pussies.

Shadow_Ferret said:

I disagree. I think they do want it to run out, just so they can go, "See? I told you so." They seem to take glee in doom.

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I agree. Except for the part about oil "running out."

Only 2-year-olds think oil will "run out" any time soon.

However, there are some who I think WANT resource Availability/Demand to continue along their current trends toward a bottleneck. But they are not homogenous. There's the:

--Religious Preppers. They want God to turn off the Vegas lights and smite the heathen.

--Feudal Preppers. They own land and have skills. They will be kings in the new economy. All shall love them and despair.

--The Red Preppers. Pussies. To them, our current violent, injust and inhuman economic system is far more frightening than not having air conditioning. These are mostly Buddhists and commies. You know, fags.

--The Green Preppers. These dopes want to have a planet, you know, to actually live on.

--Anarchist un-preppers. Ooooh... peak oil future sounds coooool.

But none of them give a crap what you think. So don't worry about them saying "I told you so."

Worry about them saying, "bury them bodies by noon and you get to eat."