Okay, I'm not really sure where I would ask this, so if this isn't in the right area, I apologize. Please feel free to relocate it to the appropriate place.
I'm a member of a small in-person critique group that just started in the last three months. We meet every two weeks and a few days before each meeting we send each other pages (limit of 20 pages) so that all we have to do is discuss them at the meeting.
We started with myself, a friend I met through an online crit group (L), and another friend of mine from the local RWA chapter (A). After our first couple of meetings, a published friend of L's (D) joined, as well. (With full permission from the other members) Unfortunately, A invited a friend (F) to join, too, without really letting anyone know first.
F didn't submit at the first meeting she attended, but did offer a few crits that made it appear she knew what she was doing, so it wasn't until her second meeting that we realized how bad her writing is. I'm someone who can always find something redeeming in a piece, but I just didn't even know where to start with hers. L and D felt the same way.
All in all it took me almost 4 hours to crit only 20 pages. The other writers only took me about 30 min.
So, we gave it to her, gently, but covering all the problems. She resubmitted the same two chapters this week--"revised"--and she had taken almost none of our suggestions.
The bottom line is that we just don't have time to keep this up every meeting. At both meetings where we critted hers, her piece took over an hour to go through. With school starting back, I just don't have time, and neither do L or D. I'm all for helping other writers, but F needs to spend A LOT of time learning craft before she's really ready to even address what is wrong with her work.
So, I turn to you, my beloved AWers. Does anyone have any suggestions about a nice, gentle way to tell her this? Help!
(And, yes, we will now have a stated policy of full agreement of all members before inviting any new members, and a trial period. Lesson learned. )
I'm a member of a small in-person critique group that just started in the last three months. We meet every two weeks and a few days before each meeting we send each other pages (limit of 20 pages) so that all we have to do is discuss them at the meeting.
We started with myself, a friend I met through an online crit group (L), and another friend of mine from the local RWA chapter (A). After our first couple of meetings, a published friend of L's (D) joined, as well. (With full permission from the other members) Unfortunately, A invited a friend (F) to join, too, without really letting anyone know first.
F didn't submit at the first meeting she attended, but did offer a few crits that made it appear she knew what she was doing, so it wasn't until her second meeting that we realized how bad her writing is. I'm someone who can always find something redeeming in a piece, but I just didn't even know where to start with hers. L and D felt the same way.
All in all it took me almost 4 hours to crit only 20 pages. The other writers only took me about 30 min.
So, we gave it to her, gently, but covering all the problems. She resubmitted the same two chapters this week--"revised"--and she had taken almost none of our suggestions.
The bottom line is that we just don't have time to keep this up every meeting. At both meetings where we critted hers, her piece took over an hour to go through. With school starting back, I just don't have time, and neither do L or D. I'm all for helping other writers, but F needs to spend A LOT of time learning craft before she's really ready to even address what is wrong with her work.
So, I turn to you, my beloved AWers. Does anyone have any suggestions about a nice, gentle way to tell her this? Help!
(And, yes, we will now have a stated policy of full agreement of all members before inviting any new members, and a trial period. Lesson learned. )