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Gehanna
09-08-2005, 07:06 PM
For any of you who may be interested.

Through personal experience, I know that episodes of Sleep Paralysis are not limited to sleeping on the back.

I have recurrent episodes of sleep paralysis in addition to other types of sleep and dream "disorders". There are no sleep and dream study specialists in my neck of the woods which is why I am the sleep and dream specialist where I live. :Wha:

Anyway....

The other night I had another episode of sleep paralysis and discovered that I was lying on my right side when it happened.

My husband, who is trained to respond to my feeble moans for help when this happens, verified that I was indeed lying on my right side.

What I wish I could find out is how long I had been lying on my side. Perhaps one of the contributing factors is not so much the position but rather how long you've been lying in that position. I want to know, what triggers the changing of positions while a person is sleeping? I suspect it is some sort of homeostatic mechanism that is tied into the various stages of sleep but which one and at what point in the sleep cycle is it triggered..if at all.

Being stuck in backwoods Kentucky with a lack of access to much needed resources and peers who share similar interests sucks big time!

Here's my luck:

I spoke to a Pulmonologist who deals with sleep apnea...he didn't have a clue about sleep paralysis. I questioned a Neurologist about neurotransmitter activity, sleep paralysis and narcolepsy once and the best he could do was to say... "Well, It's a transitional disorder." :Smack:

I was like, "No sh*t Sherlock!"....

Yes, I am frustrated .. in case you couldn't tell. lol

Oh well, I'll just have to deal with continuing to be my own evidence based experiment I guess.

P.H.Delarran
09-08-2005, 09:03 PM
Hi Gehanna. I don't know how often you experience this, but I'm sure it can be disturbing. I don't know if this will help much, but I have seen the topic of sleep paralysis mentioned on websites I have visited while researching lucid dreaming.
The sites mostly focus on lucid dreaming, but there is some info on sleep paralysis, and one site has a great message board where lots of personal experiences are shared. Who knows, perhaps there are some techniques you can learn that may help you control your situation. Anyway, here are a couple of links, if nothing else, they make for interesting reads. Good luck to you.
www.dreamsnightmares.com (http://www.dreamsnightmares.com)
www.dreamviews.com (http://www.dreamviews.com) (this one has the great message boards)

DaveKuzminski
09-08-2005, 10:09 PM
This may not be of any use, but I had recurrent dreams as a youth of falling off a cliff, possibly related to an actual fall into an open pit when I was much younger. Those dreams ceased shortly after learning how to take a fall for judo. The resulting slap of my arm against the mattress was loud and woke up the rest of the family, but after that one response the dream no longer occurred. Evidently, I managed to break out of my own sleep paralysis to help myself even though it was but one arm that moved.

Gehanna
09-08-2005, 10:11 PM
Hello P.H.Delarran ! :)

Lucid Dreaming is another of my frequently occurring "disorders" .

Yesterday I was having a lucid dream..during a nap actually. It wasn't until I tried to get out of bed that I realized it was a lucid dream. I sat up on the side of the bed but my legs wouldn't bend at the knees. That was my signal that let me know I was having a lucid dream. I was then aware of my body lying in the bed while I was dreaming that I was sitting up on the side of the bed and looking around my room at the same time.

Unfortunately, I started giggling so hard about my legs that I broke the experience.

Thank You for your reply. It was greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,
Gehanna

Gehanna
09-08-2005, 10:21 PM
Hi DaveKuzminski !

I didn't see your reply till now. I don't actually want to stop my episodes yet. If I stop them I won't be able to learn more about them. They are frightening but I need them for now.

Azure Skye
09-09-2005, 12:17 AM
http://www.nightterrors.org/paralysis.html

This site helped me answer a lot of the questions I had.

Gehanna
09-09-2005, 12:52 AM
Thank You for the link Azura Skye! :-)

Azure Skye
09-09-2005, 01:34 AM
I'm not sure if I showed you that link before. :::scratches head::: This aging thing is really starting to get on my nerves.

Gehanna
09-09-2005, 01:37 AM
Could you be having a Deja Vu'? ... I also feel as though you have shared this info with me before.

Paint
09-09-2005, 01:46 AM
Sounds like what I call "My arm went to sleep!" Usually when I sleep with my arm over my head. It takes the other arm to put it down. It's very strange because the asleep arm can feel nothing and it is like a someone else's arm attached to my body. Hmmm, that sounds very strange indeed.

:idea: Anyway, the lucid dream sounds facinating. I love dreams like that, I have heard you can control the dream. Fun! I wonder if you could remember to give yourself an affirmation--"I am a successful writer"--if that would work.
I used to have the falling ones, some say that is a holdover from being in the womb and realizing gravity. They did go away for the most part.
Interesting topic!

Gehanna
09-09-2005, 01:50 AM
I have not attempted an affirmation during a lucid dream but now that you mention it, I will. Typically, I do my affirmations as I begin to fall asleep provided they aren't interrupted by a Hypnagogic hallucination.

WVWriterGirl
09-09-2005, 01:58 AM
This may not be of any use, but I had recurrent dreams as a youth of falling off a cliff, possibly related to an actual fall into an open pit when I was much younger. Those dreams ceased shortly after learning how to take a fall for judo. The resulting slap of my arm against the mattress was loud and woke up the rest of the family, but after that one response the dream no longer occurred. Evidently, I managed to break out of my own sleep paralysis to help myself even though it was but one arm that moved.

Just curious, Dave...when you fell in the pit, how old were you? What kind of "pit" was it? I'm only asking because my 3 year old fell into an open grave once (he was about 2 1/2 at the time) and you say you had nightmares that you believe stem from that. My son has nightmares now, but he's not able to tell me what they're about. I wonder if this could be or will be a problem, or if he was "young enough" to not remember it.

As an aside...he was not in my care when it happened...my mother had him and wasn't paying close enough attention to him. He didn't fall the full six feet - there was a vault in the grave, and he only fell about four feet. Mom was able to get him out on her own, and he wasn't seriously injured (a scrape and bruise).

WVWG

Azure Skye
09-09-2005, 03:57 AM
Could you be having a Deja Vu'? ... I also feel as though you have shared this info with me before.


I may well have done so. Curse you memory! Curse you aging thingy!

Julie Worth
09-09-2005, 05:16 AM
Sounds like what I call "My arm went to sleep!" Usually when I sleep with my arm over my head. It takes the other arm to put it down. It's very strange because the asleep arm can feel nothing and it is like a someone else's arm attached to my body. Hmmm, that sounds very strange indeed.


Not quite the same. The arm thing happens to me when I sleep with my arms over my head, which is why I don't do it anymore. It pinches a nerve. The sleep paralysis is more mysterious. It's sometimes associated with out of body stuff, like the experiences of Robert Monroe.

Gehanna
09-09-2005, 06:19 AM
My mother claims to have had a near death experience. She was in the hospital and very ill. She states that she saw her own body lying on the hospital bed.

I have never had a near death episode but I can't deny that my sleep experiences or "disorders" combined with the fact that I am an epic dreamer have frequently bemused my logical mind. I will not say that my consciousness does not leave my body at night nor will I say that it does.

I am a metaphysician by practice. Some day perhaps even by licensure but until then, I admit that I do work with conscious and subconscious awareness as well as other metaphysical skills.

Some of you have been first hand witness to this fact tho I have never made proof positive mention of it till now.

Optimus
09-09-2005, 07:03 AM
I thought you said you were a psychiatric nurse?

Gehanna
09-09-2005, 07:05 AM
I am.

reph
09-09-2005, 08:39 AM
I'm only asking because my 3 year old fell into an open grave once (he was about 2 1/2 at the time)....I wonder if this could be or will be a problem, or if he was "young enough" to not remember it.
Not remembering a frightening event causes more trouble than remembering it. My worst nightmares as a child came from experiences I didn't consciously remember until decades later. If the fall was traumatic for him, he might not be mature enough at age three to deal with it. Falls and minor injuries are common for young children, however, and the memory may not be bothering him at all.

Optimus
09-09-2005, 10:30 AM
So, you're a metaphysical psychiatric nurse?

I don't understand what that is.

Not mocking, I just don't know what it is.

reph
09-09-2005, 10:41 AM
Optimus, my guess is, one thing is a vocation and the other is an avocation, like being a psychiatric nurse and a belly dancer: a person wouldn't pursue both enterprises at the same moment.

Optimus
09-09-2005, 11:14 AM
Ah, makes sense.

I was just wondering, because there are those therapists who incorporate Buddhism into their psychiatric practices, so I thought this might be related.

Okay, back to your regularly scheduled thread...

Julie Worth
09-09-2005, 02:47 PM
Oh well, I'll just have to deal with continuing to be my own evidence based experiment I guess.

Here's a blog on sleep paralysis:
http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/37264 (http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/37264)


And here's a link to the Monroe Institute:
http://www.monroeinstitute.org/ (http://www.monroeinstitute.org/)
Intrigued by Robert Monroe's books, I attended a number of workshops there over the years (before I took a vow of poverty and became a novelist).

DaveKuzminski
09-09-2005, 04:46 PM
Just curious, Dave...when you fell in the pit, how old were you? What kind of "pit" was it? I'm only asking because my 3 year old fell into an open grave once (he was about 2 1/2 at the time) and you say you had nightmares that you believe stem from that.

I was six when I fell into a construction pit for a new subdivision house. However, the dreams didn't start until two or three years later and featured the family on vacation driving through the mountains on a road that appeared to have followed a snake trail. In the dream, my father who was driving decided that we could save time by jumping the gaps between the mountains. That's when the falling sensation occurred.

Gehanna
09-09-2005, 08:17 PM
Optimus said:

I was just wondering, because there are those therapists who incorporate Buddhism into their psychiatric practices, so I thought this might be related.

I do incorporate metaphysics into my work but only when appropriate.

sassandgroove
09-09-2005, 09:39 PM
What I wish I could find out is how long I had been lying on my side. Perhaps one of the contributing factors is not so much the position but rather how long you've been lying in that position. I want to know, what triggers the changing of positions while a person is sleeping? I suspect it is some sort of homeostatic mechanism that is tied into the various stages of sleep but which one and at what point in the sleep cycle is it triggered..if at all.



Gehanna, I don't know if this is what you are looking for, but...
I used to always sleep in the same position, on my right side. I would wake up in the same position I fell asleep in. I know I moved some, but it was mostly to throw off a hot blanket, or to pull up the blanket if I was cold. Since I was 14, I couldn't breathe through my nose. Doctor after Doctor threw allergy medicine at me that either made me sleepy or hyper and I still couldn't breathe. So, some 10 years later, I tell yet another DOctor I can't breathe and she sends me to an Ear, Nose and THroat doc. HE looks at me not five minutes and says "You have a deviated septum, I can fix that." The septum is the divider in you nose. The doc explained that we breathe through one side for a few hours and then that side closes up and the other opens and we breathe through the other side for a few hours. (HEre's the point) That shift is what causes us to turn over when we sleep. I slept in the same positon because when the one side closed, I couldn't breathe through either side. I had to have surgery to fix it, and now, I move all over the place. I wake up with the blankets all tangled, on the floor, me on the other side of the queen size bed. Oh, and I can breathe. If I feel stuffy I blow my nose and voila, It actually helps.

I hope that helps.

reph
09-09-2005, 10:29 PM
Many people have falling dreams without having had any unusual falls in childhood. For material, there are all those falls one suffered when learning to walk.

Gehanna
09-09-2005, 10:37 PM
Hi sassandgroove! :)

Thank you. That is very interesting information. I had never heard it before and I appreciate your input.

When I was still in college and going through a surgical rotation I had the great displeasure of witnessing a septal deviation repair. I NEVER want to see one of those again. lol

I could easily eat a sandwich while watching surgery on anything except that! I nearly passed out. It is one of three things I can't stomach. The other two are a spinal tap and infant circumcision.

I don't know why those three things bother me in comparison to more extreme forms of grossness I am exposed to but, they do.