WARNING: This reply contains conversations of a sexual nature. Parental discretion is advised.
preyer said:
doesn't s&m usually have the element of domination attached to it, too? i mean beyond a little smack to the rumpi for stimulation, which i don't consider s&m. domination and bondage, though, go hand-in-hand with s&m, eh?
The 'domination' is mutually consensual and therefore does not fit the definition of 'domination' you are trying to pigeonhole it into. It's not like schoolyard bullies going around trying to get people cowering before their grand might - which is an act of mental violence.
In S&M, however, the 'domination' is about giving up control for a short time - but the one being 'dominated' is always the one in control (as long as they remember the 'safe word' at least!)
preyer said:
so, sex with a vampire would be considered sexual deviance? i really liked the cow analogy, though it doesn't fit when talking about vampires, where, though 'dead,' they *were* once alive humans. there's still a connection there.
I don't know, you don't consider necrophilia to be sexual deviancy? I'm pretty sure most psychiatrists do.
As for the 'connection' and 'vampires once being alive': So were zombies, you don't see people going around wanting to screw them.
And amazingly enough, people aren't turning brain craving zombies into the type of creature they want to jump onto their backs and spread their legs for. Now, why is it that vampires - which feed on humans (which, to use your analogy, makes them at the least cannibals - again, not sexually stimulating) are made into such 'romantic' creatures, yet zombies aren't?
preyer said:
i only read 'interview with the vampire' by rice, but, yeah, there was a definite gay vibe happening there.
I threw Armand's book across the room once he was given 'the dark gift' and suddenly became a flaming homosexual. I've not read another one of her vampire books since. (Please note: I have *no* problem with homosexuality, homosexuals or those who are or practice the former and latter in any form - my issue lies with becoming a vampire also making one homosexual, as if homosexuality were a disease.)
preyer said:
vampires, inasmuch as dracula goes, was always linked with a kind of sexual predator. interesting, though, that were there such things, people would indeed seek them out.
Only since the Victorian era, and - quite frankly - not even really then. It's more modern times with the 'handsome' actors making vampires into romantic figures.
preyer said:
duh. i think the misunderstanding there lies in the idea that, as a vampire, you'd feel the same sexual euphoria as you do when you were the victim and under its hypnotic spell.
So, then this begs the question, does eating a McBurger make you horny?
preyer said:
of course, the truth of the matter is that as the undead, sex is probably unsatisfying. but does that say a vampire can't have an orgasm?
Oddly enough, I've had this question come up in a group of friends. (other questions/discussions involved how you could NEVER have an orthodox Jewish vampire and how it is that vampires get drunk)
But here's the problem with the 'current' thinking about vampires. It goes like this:
Vampires, once turned into vampires, are then in some form of stasis. They never grow old, they never grow younger, they never change. They are what they are. The best they become is more/less powerful. The only changes that are made to them are *cosmetic* when they feed off human chattel, their appearence becomes more human as they have 'blood flowing through their veins' giving them the 'semblance' of life.
So, being stuck in this stasis means that they may be able to have an orgasm, once. But once the stored fluids are used up, then they're used up, their shooting dry, so to speak. So, no more orgasms. Well, no mure fulfillment of the refractory cycle at least. Is it possible to have an orgasm without ejaculation? Sex therapists/researchers/medical doctors/researchers are better equipped to handle that. But as I seem to recall, no.
Now, why only the stored fluids and no more? Because if the body is in stasis, where they are no longer growing older - that predisposes the idea that they are no longer involved in cellular replication - the process by which a lifeform grows and then grows older and begins dying. It's also the process by which humans produce the necessary ingredients for orgasm (whether male or female) so therefore, no more orgasm.
Having said that, I'm not sure that *I*, as a male, would be too interested in having sexual relations with a female vampire. I mean, it'd be really dry, now wouldn't it? Just imagine what would happen if I were to forget to bring the KY, or at the very least, not apply enough. Talk about scratchy! And that would *definitely* not be safe sex. Plus, the whole time she's engaging in sexual acts (especially oral) I'd be wondering "Now, is this pleasure for her or is she considering it just a rather large, thick straw?" I mean, that would DEFINITELY be a mood killer.
(ever worry that I have *way* too much time to think? So do I.)
preyer said:
i could go on with this, but i'm going to stop here and see if there are any more replies. not to mention trying to keep a potentially huge reply down to a readable size.
The only problem is that you're proving the argument about viewing humans as 'food' and therefore vampires who sexually desire humans being sexual deviants and not showing them to be anymore a romantic figure than that of other incredibly deviant personality types.
But, in the most interesting discussion I've had yet on these boards!
Rabe...