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MacAllister
07-10-2010, 05:55 AM
So here's how it happened:

After getting oddly fascinated with the narrative structure of soaps -- because they follow generations of the same family/town/what-have-you for decades -- I started asking people on Twitter about the soaps they watched. The general tenor of responses was sort of a mix of guilty-pleasure enthusiasm and warm nostalgia, since so many people started watching something like Days of Our Lives or General Hospital as kids, with their moms or grandmothers.

Since I was deeply interested in how these story arcs handle a backstory that goes back thirty or forty years, and Days was having a tribute month in June for one of the original characters/actresses, I started watching Days on Hulu, around the end of May.

I'm completely hooked. I gotta admit, I spend a LOT of time laughing at myself, and absolutely LMAO at what seem to be completely acceptable soap opera conventions; someone has kidnapped a baby, that was then kidnapped by someone else (this happened apparently shortly before I started watching, but I've filled in a lot of the blanks, reading online) someone fell down an elevator shaft, there've been two or three weddings, an enormous funeral, and a couple of unplanned pregnancies. I'm already rooting for the "bad" guys, and sucked into this ridiculous and convoluted but strangely compelling and absolutely epic storytelling convention.

What about you guys? Thoughts? Do you watch? What and why?

Soccer Mom
07-10-2010, 06:14 AM
I no longer watch soaps, but in the 70's and into the early 90's I was hardcore addicted to Days and AW (heh, Another World). I watched all thourgh the Stefano Dimera years with Roman and Marlena, Bo and Hope. It's hard to explain the addiction to those who haven't experience it. From the outside, it looks so silly, but from the inside, there is a train-wreck-but-in-a-good-way sort of thing. Soaps are unique in their massive long plot arcs. I think there is something powerful about spending time every day with these characters.

And yes, I watched Days with my Nana. There were no recording devices back then. Nana's storytime was sacred. Everything stopped and we sat down in front of the TV. I saw my first "grown ups kissing scenes" on Days. I had my first TV actor crush on the actor who played Bo Brady. I saw love, death, sex, hatred, revenge, adultery, passion--all sorts of things nobody talked to kids about. Everyone was more beautiful than real life, had more exciting lives. It was a glimpse into something forbidden and exciting.

Dang it.

You're gonna get me addicted again, Mac.

Soccer Mom
07-10-2010, 06:16 AM
Thinking about this now as a writer, I'm in awe of what their storyboards must look like.

MacAllister
07-10-2010, 06:20 AM
Bo and Hope are splitsville, Bo has divorce papers Hope told him to get, but they're not signed yet. Hope is taking sleeping pills that have given her a split personality that makes her violently mug primarily Brady and DiMera men -- but no one knows it's her yet, because Nicole framed Arianna for the muggings so that Nicole could take her best shot at Brady Black. Chloe is pregnant, but crazy, and was gonna push Carly down an elevator shaft (Carly's back, and has moved in w/ Bo) but Chloe chickened out at the last minute and pushed Carly to safety but fell down the elevator shaft her OWNself, which is how everyone found out she was pregnant (which she wasn't supposed to be ABLE to get) but now Carly knows Chloe cheated on Daniel and MAYBE the baby is Philip's....

I know exactly what you mean, SoccerMom. <g>

Jersey Chick
07-10-2010, 06:23 AM
I used to watch Days back in the 80s - when I was in high school - I had such a crush on Patch. :D

I also watched Another World back then. And always wondered why they overdressed all the time.

But now... I got hooked on All My Children because the tv right across from my favorite elliptical machine at the gym is always on ABC. The storylines really do defy belief, but I gotta watch it. :D

Regan Leigh
07-10-2010, 06:26 AM
I'm laughing here. :D Just so you know. I love how those Twitter conversations helped you get hooked. It's unbelievable how those shows and stories work out and actually WORK.

And yes, my grandmother watched General Hospital with me as a kid. I stuck with it for years. :)

Soccer Mom
07-10-2010, 06:28 AM
I used to watch Days back in the 80s - when I was in high school - I had such a crush on Patch. :D

I also watched Another World back then. And always wondered why they overdressed all the time.

But now... I got hooked on All My Children because the tv right across from my favorite elliptical machine at the gym is always on ABC. The storylines really do defy belief, but I gotta watch it. :D

Oh, patch was hawt! And Soccer Dad agreed with me that Kayla was a lovely name for a girl. :D But we never had one. But my eldest son was named after a former DOOL character. ;)

Jersey Chick
07-10-2010, 06:32 AM
I watched Jaws 2 over the weekend (don't ask), and one of the characters looked so familiar, it was driving me crazy. Then it hit me - it was the guy who plays Stefano DiMera of DOOL.

robeiae
07-10-2010, 07:01 AM
I watched One Life to Live in the 80's. I had it bad for Tina.

My wife watched Days during the same period (we were just dating, then).

Medievalist
07-10-2010, 07:09 AM
"All my Kids" was really popular when I was in grad school c. 1983-85, where some people knew it as All My Children.

EVERYONE would sorta show up in the lounge in the grad dorm when it was on.

Guys LOVED this character named Erica.

And I remember huge debates about Luke and Laura from GH.

MacAllister
07-10-2010, 07:10 AM
I'm laughing here. :D Just so you know. I love how those Twitter conversations helped you get hooked. It's unbelievable how those shows and stories work out and actually WORK.

And yes, my grandmother watched General Hospital with me as a kid. I stuck with it for years. :)
The Twitter conversations are like getting to watch something with a bunch of other people - transformative, in that it becomes a shared community experience. That makes it WAY more fun. :D

firedrake
07-10-2010, 07:15 AM
Back in the 70s I used to watch General Hospital and All my Children, and Ryan's Hope (which was short-lived) Waaay back, I used to watch Dark Shadows...that was my favorite.

Mum still watches a few. When they were living overseas, she used to get weekly summaries of the plots faxed to her. Reading those summaries was a hoot.

Vespertilion
07-10-2010, 07:26 AM
And these....Are the Days of Our Lives.

God, I loved those shows when I was a kid. My dad got me started, and then I watched them all summer because they came on right when it was too hot outside to play. They dealt with all these things like adultery, murder, corporate espionage, amnesia, rape, adoption--you were just never ever bored. And you knew, by the camera angles and music, you knew when to move closer to the tv for the confession!

Even at its weirdest (Eugene and Calliope, anyone? Loved them) it was just so watchable. Twenty years later when I turn on the TV and Marlena is apparently possessed by the devil, I laughed my ass off, then freaking sat down to watch!

We only had three, then four, channels, so I watched Days of Our Lives, Another World, and Santa Barbara. (I could just make the last half of Santa Barbara during the school year, if I hurried home.)

Hee.

We also watched, Dallas, Dynasty, and sometimes Falcon Crest for the evening line-up.

Mel A.
07-10-2010, 07:27 AM
The first soap I remember watching was Guiding Light, just because it was on in the kitchen when Mom was doing stuff during the day. Later I got hooked on Days of Our Lives (about 1981, maybe?), right when Bo and Hope were getting together, and, soon after, the Steve and Kayla thing was wonderful!

I used to watch it all through college. In fact, I remember the newscaster breaking in to an episode of DOOL to announce that the Berlin Wall was coming down! Even when I was in law school, I taped it to watch in the evenings. Later, having a real job and real kids didn't deter me either. I was just so darned attached to those characters. But a few years ago we moved to a house with an antenna that couldn't for the life of it pull in NBC, so I had to break the habit.

Hearing all the updates here, though, I feel the need to catch up now and then. It's like reconnecting with old friends.

Vespertilion
07-10-2010, 07:35 AM
I watched Jaws 2 over the weekend (don't ask), and one of the characters looked so familiar, it was driving me crazy. Then it hit me - it was the guy who plays Stefano DiMera of DOOL.


When Robin Wright started doing movies, I was all, "Hey, that's Kelly Capwell!" When Friends was big, I just checked it out initially to see what John Aniston's (Victor Kiriakis) daughter was doing.

Then Q from TNG is Eugene from DOOL. If you watched soaps growing up, "real" tv and movies always had a familiar face somewhere in the cast.

Soccer Mom
07-10-2010, 07:51 AM
Oh! Eugene and Trista. I was distraught when the Raven killed her. I'm just going to crawl into my DOOL cave. I've been watching Alice Horton's funeral on Hulu for well over an hour now. It's all Mac's fault.

Grrarrgh
07-10-2010, 09:09 AM
I watched DOOL and Santa Barbara in high school.

About 10 years ago, I worked with a woman who asked me almost every day "Do you watch All My Children?" I would say no. Then she would say "Well, you know the brunette, what's-her-name? So she slept with the one guy, the cute one, and her best friend found out..." This happened at least once a month. Finally I just started watching it so I would have a clue what she was talking about. I actually just stopped watching it about a month ago. It's on while I'm at work, and I realized that I was DVRing it every day, but not watching it. At one point there were about 20 eps sitting on the DVR and I just kept watching everything else and leaving them there. That's when I know it's time to stop watching a show. Now I have to hope that reading this thread doesn't make me try to start again. :)

MacAllister
07-10-2010, 09:30 AM
Heh. I was completely unprepared for how weirdly compelling even the most insane-sounding storylines turn out to be. Jekyll/Hope? I'm totally chewing my own hand off, yelling at Bo, "it's her, stupid! Look for the friggin' wallets, already!"

K. Taylor
07-10-2010, 02:03 PM
Grandma listened to soaps when they were on radio before TV. She was a fan of the CBS shows, so she got my mother hooked and that's what I saw during the summers (she was a teacher) or any time I stayed at my grandmother's during the school year if I was sick. The Young and the Restless, eventually The Bold and the Beautiful, As the World Turns, and Guiding Light. Grandma even got her son, my uncle, to watch them when he was home during days and he kept watching after she was gone and he was retired. I've looked in every so often over the years as an adult and usually go OMG, they're doing what with who?

I feel sorry for the casts that have stuck it out so long and are now having all their shows canceled. It's a hell of a schedule, especially for the ones that do it 20+ years. But gosh, there are SO many actors and actresses that got their start on soaps that made it big....a lot of people I've liked the work of now I first saw years ago on one of those shows.

Thank you, soaps, for the eye candy. :)

seun
07-10-2010, 03:55 PM
My wife watches Eastenders. Whenever I look up from my book, it just seems to be full of people shouting at each other and going to a laundarette. It's 2010, for Christ's sake. Don't have their own washing machines?

Lauretta
07-10-2010, 04:13 PM
I used to watch The bold and the beautiful, then I got bored. Brooke always having sex with everyone, people first disappear in car crashes or other major events to be back years later alive or as unknown twin, or sisters, or uncles, or brothers or whatever...
I couldn't watch the same thing over and over again!

defyalllogic
07-10-2010, 06:21 PM
Love Days of Our Lives! I watched an episode on a long weekend in January and now, I DVR it and watch after work...

agree about rooting for the bad guys.

I love Nicole and want her to succeed. I hate Rafe and Ari. Though Chloe is annoying i hate Carley and don't think she deserves success and 15th chances. Vivianne is super fun to me, as is Kate.

regdog
07-10-2010, 06:24 PM
When I was in school, I was a complete devotee to General Hospital. I would run home from school everyday to watch it. Couldn't wait for Luke and Laura's wedding. Although it really got odd with the adventures with the Ice Princess.

Watched Santa Barbara for a while too.

Jersey Chick
07-10-2010, 06:42 PM
The first time I heard The Police's Everything Breath You Take was on an episode of AMC. I remember Phoebe and Langley - miss them now...

I also watched Santa Barbara - and every time The Princess Bride is on, Jersey Guy reminds me, "I went to high school with her." (for about 10 minutes - she transferred in, then transferred back out a short while later, but still...)

Cranky
07-10-2010, 06:46 PM
Oh man! The summer I turned sixteen and got my first real paying job, I got hooked on Guiding Light, and the whole Reva/Josh thing. Before that, it was The Young and The Restless -- I really admired Cricket, for some reason. And I thought she and Danny were a cute couple. Oh yes. And I got such a kick out of Victor and Jill. I watched As The World Turns because of Lily.

Good times! :)

Soccer Mom
07-10-2010, 07:22 PM
I spent the evening on Hulu and now I must say: I hate Carley too. Go away already. Tired of Rafe in three episodes. Go evil DiMera boy. Sammi is crazy not to choose tall, dark, dangerous and rich over Rafe. I'm officially hooked again. In one night.

The plots do follow very strict arc requirements. If you're ever bored, make a list of the major plot lines. Each episode, log how many minutes for each and in what order. You'll see a pattern. I actually did it as a college project back in the 80's. Watching soaps as part of your homework? Most awesome thing ever.

robeiae
07-10-2010, 07:31 PM
I had friends that were into GH. Watched it a few times. As silly as "the Pawn" was in Days, Robert Scorpio was sillier by a mile.

But I loved the city of Port Charles. Mountains, spooky docks, a beach, active downtown, sprawling suburbs, most within walking distance of each other...

Jersey Chick
07-10-2010, 07:36 PM
I love that in Pine Valley (All My Children) There is one bar. One yacht club. One casino. One of everything. And everyone is always there. Work? What's that? The women always wear these ridiculously high heels (even with shorts, channeling their inner Daisy Duke, I suppose) and the bad guy (David) ALWAYS wears black. Except the time he was on the run from the law, hiding in Pine Valley's one church, dressed as a priest. He put on a pair of glasses and NO ONE RECOGNIZED HIM!!!

Then, he bought the one hospital in Pine Valley. Mwahahahaha!

robeiae
07-10-2010, 07:38 PM
There seemed to have been a lot of inbreeding going on in All My Children, no?

Jersey Chick
07-10-2010, 07:47 PM
Oh, dear dog yes! Everyone's slept with everyone else or been married to Erica at one point or another. It's enough to make your head spin.

clockwork
07-10-2010, 08:06 PM
I was in the grip of Sunset Beach for a long time. Utterly absurd but kind of fun too. Earthquakes, Terror Island, evil twins, capsizing cruise liners, the cursed Rosario jewels, forced impregnations with turkey basters and a torrent of interminable flashbacks.

It was a lot of flash but not particularly great storytelling. 20-30% of each episode was people telling each other what they already know and saying the same things in a multitude of different ways, sometimes out loud to themselves whilst entirely alone in a room - though often within earshot of some eavesdropping low-life.

Fun for the whole family!

maxmordon
07-10-2010, 08:21 PM
Any space for Latin American soap operas?

During my childhood it was the twilight of the golden age of Venezuelan soap operas. Soap operas are a big deal here and they were divided in two blocks: 1 pm to 4 pm to imported soap operas (mostly Mexico, Miami and Brazil) and 9 to 11 PM national soap operas. Though back in the early 90's Dinasty and Dallas were hugh enough to be on prime time!

Latin American soap operas follow more or less the same pattern: At the end, everyone good gets married and everyone bad goes to jail, dies, or goes to jail and then dies. And unlike their English-speaking counterparts, they usually last around a year or two (or if is really popular, even three years). Oh yeah, writers tend to put silly puns or obscure names to their characters just to make them memorable, some sort of significance or sheer laziness.

The citizen Kane of Venezuelan soap operas was Por Estas Calles, it was genre changing since apparently it was the first soap opera to touch "real life issues" like crime, poverty, political corruption and drug trafficking. Little was suspected that it would be the last great Venezuelan soap opera.

Por Estas Calles intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SL6KnTPCpU)

As I child, my mother, aunt and grandma would stop everything at 9 PM to see it, uncle did not like me to see it with them since it said it was something purely "chick stuff". Nonetheless, it was hard to miss, especially with big ones, for example, Cosita Rica, another attempt to make a more streetwise soap opera (which they have been trying and failing for a while, but before they start making rip-offs of Betty La Fea like Mi Gorda Bella, lit. My Beautiful Fatty).

Cosita Rica was congratulated by its realism, which included, and I kid you not: the protragonist's rich handsome love being kidnapped by the Colombian guerilla, the bastard son of the protagonist inherits the company and has a funny pet duck which means the world to him, a pesky wise 13 years old as our narrator and the neighborhood-friendly band of crooks formed by a pasty slender white dude and a stuttering black dude. Oh, and at the end, the main characters get married by the pope John Paul II. Who is played by the Venezuelan Jon Stewart with bad make-up.

A category on their own are the "high end" soap operas, especially during the 70's and 80's, since back then there was a law that said that all soap operas must be based on a novel or having a historical background of some sort to "educate the people". Among these attempts, there was Estefanía. Which had as a background the 1950's dictatorship and I managed to saw in a mid 00's broadcast. It was quite exciting, and certainly better than much of the then and now current soap operas.

Estefanía (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhvD0WQC9g8)

Another good one was a distaff version of The Count of Montecristo set in the 1930's called La Dueña. One of the government networks broadcast it last year and let me tell you, I saw it all the way. It was cheap, quite cheap. Each episode would take place in about three or four sets and the plot was forcing the suspension of disbelief a bit (the protagonist's whereabouts, in the mental asylum of mean Dr. Whiplash, are only reported by the feverish dream of a mute) but nonetheless it was pure poetry when the characters spoke and with the passion they said their lines, it was not a soap opera. It was theater.

La Dueña intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwIH6446J_o)

Something I found fascinating is that, while revising the credit rolls of old soap operas here I found a lot of well-known playwrights and writers, serious writers and after they became famous and had a reputation. And I left wondering if they did it just for the money or if it was some sort of excercise, or even just pure fun, to them? I also notice that when soap operas started to get worse it was when playwrights and novelists stopped to write them. Not after, cable kicked in Venezuela, displacing the four traditional networks (RCTV, VTV, Venevisión and Televen); also, the economical crisis was a big hit, being now overshadowed by Mexican and Miami soap operas on terms of sex and drama and Brazilian soap operas on the terms of setting and script. So I really doubt Venezuelan soap operas will recover, and if they do, it's necessary something quite big.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. Now please return to your regular broadcasting.

robeiae
07-10-2010, 08:23 PM
And how about The Sun Also Sets?!?!?

It seems that Angelique has a rare case of brake fluid...

robeiae
07-10-2010, 08:25 PM
Any space for Latin American soap operas?

My mother in law used to watch Esmeralda. Ever see that one?

BenPanced
07-10-2010, 08:29 PM
I was watching As The World Turns when Meg Ryan and Marisa Tomei were on, and both succumbed to Typical Storylines: when Meg Ryan left for her movie career, her character Betsy was finally getting married to Steve after finding out her then-husband Craig was faking needing a wheelchair. On her way to the church, her car hit a tree and who just happened to find her but a psychotic plastic surgeon who repaired her face to look like his dead wife's, thereby introducing the new actress to play Betsy! Yay!

Marisa Tomei's character really wasn't that major, probably one of the B-team/varsity fillers. I do remember one part where her character had been plied with cheap champagne (I recognized the prop bottle as the non-alcoholic sparkling apple cider I like) by a "photographer" at a "photo shoot" who was going to help her become a model but he raped her, and later Tomei left for her movie career with her character marrying a prince from some Eastern European country (that happened a lot in the 80's).

Capitol, another CBS soap I watched suffered not once but twice from Porno-gate. The first actress who played Brenda appeared in Oui, the magazine claiming the photoshoot was "from earlier in her career" and the first actor who played Matt (sorry; couldn't locate their names on IMDb) appeared in Playgirl. (Playgirl never showed male celebrities in full buff; it was always done with a tasteful leg up so the thigh tastefully blocked the tackle or with the actor lying in bed with the sheets tastefully pulled down just to the pubic line or simple tasteful rear nudes.) Both actors were replaced shortly after the magazines appeared; all of this was happening around the time Vanessa Williams was de-throned as Miss America because of the pictures that appeared in Hustler.

Going back to ATWT again, I remember they had Barbara turn into the show's bitch by having her muse out loud to herself that if she had to be a bitch to get ahead in life, then she was going to be a bitch. Almost verbatim.

RIP, As The World Turns. They just recently taped the final episode, which is going to be broadcast later this fall.

There was a nighttime soap we watched called Emerald Point NAS. About the only things I remember about it were Dennis Weaver and Andrew Stevens were on it. (Gail Edwards turned up in one of the sillier movies from the 80's called Get Crazy!, but I don't know if anybody else remembers the movie.)

"It's time now for another episode of Doctor's Hospital, the continuing stoooooooooooooooooooory of a quack who's gone to the dogs..."

rhymegirl
07-10-2010, 08:53 PM
Good topic, Mac!

I started watching Days of Our Lives way back in high school, maybe even before that, so I am very familiar with all of the characters.

What I really liked recently was how the producers brought certain characters back to Salem--Jennifer, Melissa, Marie, Julie and Doug, Mike and others for Alice's funeral.

I liked Marlena a lot, but supposedly they kicked her off the show because they didn't want to pay her big salary.

I still watch after all these years, but I don't think the show is as good as it used to be.

Vespertilion
07-10-2010, 08:55 PM
Any space for Latin American soap operas?



I used to watch Mexican novelas with the girl who was my roommate through most of college. I missed a good chunk of Maria la del Barrio one time, and she'd keep me updated by just letting me know what major plot point we'd hit, "She's already rich!" or "She just found out he's her father!"

I love the way they dressed, them, too. The good girl was always in pastels, very sweet, soft make-up. And then the bad girl would have darker smokey eyes, often darker hair, and an edgier style of dress--like shorter skirt on the impeccable business suit. Gorgeous, husky voices, the lot of them.

Also the 1993 incarnation of Corazon Salvaje (Juan del Diablo!), and then Mari Mar, and Dos Mujeres, Un Camino because my roommate loved to make fun of Erik Estrada's terrible Spanish. She gave him props toward the end, though, for really taking the time to learn it.

maxmordon
07-10-2010, 09:15 PM
My mother in law used to watch Esmeralda. Ever see that one?

I have heard of it. According to Wikipedia, there are like 5 versions in 3 different countries spaning from early 1970's to late 1990's...

Kitty Pryde
07-10-2010, 11:28 PM
Does Desperate Housewives count? It's kind of a prime time soap opera. It has a very high ratio of Sekrit Babies, Outlandish Murder Plots, Improbable Adultery, Comas, and Sweet Sweet Blackmail per episode. I love it, even when it's cheesy. Around here we call it The Wives and when it comes on it is Serious Business.

Celia Cyanide
07-10-2010, 11:34 PM
I have been watching General Hospital on my lunch break, and catching up on weekends on youtube. Why? Because the main bad guy is James Franco! Yes, THAT James Franco, who played Harry Osborn in the Spider-Man movies! He wrote a great article about it, and why he did it, and why it was art to him:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107104574570313372878136.html

It is fun to see him on there, and his character is cool. And of course, this is kinda like, DUH! but he is super hot on there!

Jersey Chick
07-10-2010, 11:35 PM
I remember the summer of "Who shot JR?" - the beginning of cliffhanger season finales, if memory serves.

maxmordon
07-11-2010, 01:41 AM
Does Desperate Housewives count? It's kind of a prime time soap opera. It has a very high ratio of Sekrit Babies, Outlandish Murder Plots, Improbable Adultery, Comas, and Sweet Sweet Blackmail per episode. I love it, even when it's cheesy. Around here we call it The Wives and when it comes on it is Serious Business.

I have said it before and I continue to say it, that show takes place in a virtual simulation, why? Kids grow old while adults remind pretty much the same, they don't seem to be affected much by outside current events and people marry, divorce, engage with relationships, finish relationships and die absurdly easy with little to no caring.

Grrarrgh
07-12-2010, 08:11 PM
I love that in Pine Valley (All My Children) There is one bar. One yacht club. One casino. One of everything. And everyone is always there. Work? What's that? The women always wear these ridiculously high heels (even with shorts, channeling their inner Daisy Duke, I suppose) and the bad guy (David) ALWAYS wears black. Except the time he was on the run from the law, hiding in Pine Valley's one church, dressed as a priest. He put on a pair of glasses and NO ONE RECOGNIZED HIM!!!

Then, he bought the one hospital in Pine Valley. Mwahahahaha!

And don't forget the major international airport. And apparently only 3 places to work - Erica's personal TV studio, Fusion Cosmetics, or the hospital. Oh, or the police station, complete with DHS, FBI, CIA, and DEA agents popping in and out whenever our hero police chief Jesse can't handle the load.

And every Christmas there's a second church that miraculously appears out of nowhere in whatever location it's most needed with Father Clarence, the angelic priest who's only seen on Christmas Eve, there to dispense vague and still insightful advice to anyone who's at an emotional turning point in their lives...

Jersey Chick
07-12-2010, 08:20 PM
I had to laugh at these last 2 weeks in Pine Valley - Jesse's daughter, on the force for one year, already promoted to detective. She never follows orders, goes off on her own investigations (all the better to I hate you/I flirt with you with Brot, I guess) and yet she's promoted to freakin' detective.

I forgot about Father Clarence - and not to mention the silly plot about Kendall last summer. She's in jail for a murder she didn't commit, so Zach (I had such a crush on him!) pays an impersonator to - well - impersonate her, smuggles the real Kendall out of prison and hides her in a secret room in their house for months. And no one notices.

Maybe she was also wearing glasses. :D

robeiae
07-12-2010, 08:35 PM
I worry about you, JC. Seriously...

Jersey Chick
07-12-2010, 11:27 PM
Why?

I'm fine. Really.

Now, I have to run. I'm meeting Erica for lunch at the Yacht Club.

Toodles!

Grrarrgh
07-12-2010, 11:31 PM
I had to laugh at these last 2 weeks in Pine Valley - Jesse's daughter, on the force for one year, already promoted to detective. She never follows orders, goes off on her own investigations (all the better to I hate you/I flirt with you with Brot, I guess) and yet she's promoted to freakin' detective.

I forgot about Father Clarence - and not to mention the silly plot about Kendall last summer. She's in jail for a murder she didn't commit, so Zach (I had such a crush on him!) pays an impersonator to - well - impersonate her, smuggles the real Kendall out of prison and hides her in a secret room in their house for months. And no one notices.

Maybe she was also wearing glasses. :D

:roll:

What's so funny about that is I followed everything you just said even though I stopped watching months ago - nothing ever changes! That Kendall-impersonator, with the full cooperation of police-chief-hero Jesse was so bad. So, so bad...

ChaosTitan
07-13-2010, 01:06 AM
This is sort of a timely topic for me, as I've only just recently started paying attention to soaps. I remember my mother watching them when I was very small (like 4 years old), because she stayed at home with my sister and me until we were both in school. I don't know which shows she watched, though. I need to ask her.

My grandparents watched their "stories," too. Pop-pop's favorite was The Young & The Restless. One summer while I was in middle school, I stayed over at their house during the week and got hooked on a story line (the only characters I remember being involved are Nicolas and Sharon). When I went back to school, I taped the episodes until the story was over. But I didn't really appreciate soaps until recently.

This past January, I got hooked on a "One Life to Live" story line via a Twitter link, and after I got caught up on YouTube, I started watching the show in February of this year. YouTube and Wikipedia were very useful in trying to figure out this show and its myriad characters, but I was really enjoying the stories and the story telling style. The sense of history for some of these characters is amazing. One of the actresses has literally grown up on the show, from child to teenager.

Then the show started firing some of the actors and it was losing interesting characters. Several of my favorites were booted. It did a 3-day musical thing and just got stupid. I quit watching back in June. Spoilers for current story lines just make me shake my head and wonder what happened to the awesome show I first saw just five months ago. And the ratings are slowly tanking. :(

Oh well.

The more I learn about soaps and their history, the sadder I am to see them dying out. "Guiding Light" went off the air last year. "As the World Turns" airs its last episode September 17th. "One Life to Live" has had cancellation rumors circulating for months (of course, ABC-Daytime seems like it's run by a bunch of idiots).

As a writer, soaps fascinate me. The way they tell a story is so unique to the format. I've been peeking into "As the World Turns" here and there, because I intend to watch the final few weeks just to see how you end a television show that's been on the air for 54 years...

BenPanced
07-13-2010, 04:18 AM
I've also been watching the British soap EastEnders pretty much since they'd started showing it in the US. So funny to see Wendy Richard on that show as dowdy old Pauline and then a few weeks after EastEnders began, I saw her for the first time in Are You Being Served? playing the dolly-bird Miss Brahms.

And don't forget the major international airport. And apparently only 3 places to work - Erica's personal TV studio, Fusion Cosmetics, or the hospital. Oh, or the police station, complete with DHS, FBI, CIA, and DEA agents popping in and out whenever our hero police chief Jesse can't handle the load.

And every Christmas there's a second church that miraculously appears out of nowhere in whatever location it's most needed with Father Clarence, the angelic priest who's only seen on Christmas Eve, there to dispense vague and still insightful advice to anyone who's at an emotional turning point in their lives...
Brigadoon Pentecostal?

mellymel
07-14-2010, 02:05 AM
I have watched Young and the Restless and Bold and the Beautiful off and on for about 25 years. I haven't been into it that much since having kids, but every few months or so, I'll catch an episode. It's amazing how even after missing 7 or 8 months,you can tune in one day and kind of figure out everything that's going on. Many of the characters have been on the show way longer than I've been watching it. One of the characters has already had 3 face lifts! One of them she did on the show if I recall. However, I do find it kind of irritating how NONE of the marriages ever last, and how the stories seem to just repeat, but with different characters from the show. I've seen one character get married at least 4 times (twice to the same person). I admit it's pretty silly, but every now and then there will be a really good story happening and I like to see how it plays out. I watched an episode the other day after not watching it for probably a year and was able to figure out everything that's going on.

Psybolt
07-23-2010, 08:15 PM
I admit it. I watch General Hospital and I have for years. I have to say, I am becoming somewhat tired of it... but only because of their glamorization of a character named Sonny.

But when I was younger I watched a lot of soaps. Days, Edge of Night, One Life to Live. Soaps taught me a lot about how to tell a story... pacing, the reveal, characterization. I can honestly say that I wouldn't have the same kind of style in writing without them.

Smileycat
07-23-2010, 10:35 PM
What about you guys? Thoughts? Do you watch? What and why?


Days of Our Lives is the only one I watch. (That's the one you are referring to, right?) Started when I worked with a coworker who dragged me to lunch and watched it at a local restaurant everyday. They made sure it was on for her.

I used to watch other shows, but they eventually were not renewed.

Celia Cyanide
07-24-2010, 01:08 AM
I admit it. I watch General Hospital and I have for years. I have to say, I am becoming somewhat tired of it... but only because of their glamorization of a character named Sonny.

Everyone is sick of Sonny...but what about FRANCO? If he goes, I go.

Psybolt
07-24-2010, 03:58 AM
Everyone is sick of Sonny...but what about FRANCO? If he goes, I go.

Well... see ya, I guess.

James Franco was never staying long term. I haven't seen today yet, but it sounds as if you aren't going to be watching much longer.

Celia Cyanide
07-24-2010, 05:22 PM
Yeah, he was the only reason I watched. I hear he may have "died," but they told him he can always come back if he wants to.

Kitty27
07-25-2010, 09:43 PM
I watch General Hospital. I cannot stand the character of Carly.

That said,it's been my favorite soap since high school. I also used to be a Days Of Our Lives fiend. I loved Sami's crazy ass.

Soaps are an escape. Fun,touching,and when written well,absolutely addictive.

bluefeline
07-30-2010, 08:02 AM
I used to watch Another World. Now I'm hooked on Bold and Beautiful.

Celia Cyanide
07-30-2010, 07:34 PM
Franco's NOT DEAD!!!!

*does a happy dance*

ChaosTitan
09-17-2010, 06:44 AM
Tomorrow CBS airs the final episode of "As the World Turns" after fifty-four years on the air and 13,858 episodes produced.

Anyone else tuning in?

ChaosTitan
01-13-2012, 07:35 PM
ABC says good night to "One Life to Live" today, after 43 years.

1968 - 2012

:(