Iranian widow faces execution by stoning
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she should have thought about that before she became a hussy.
any discussion of human rights abuses in iran makes you a hawk who wants to bomb brown people.
i posted about this in the honor killing thread and it got no traction. tres ironic.
misogyny is almost exclusively carried out by white westerners, and for you to bring up this isolated incident from the middle east means that you are anti-islam and probably a racist.
she should have thought about that before she became a hussy.
any discussion of human rights abuses in iran makes you a hawk who wants to bomb brown people.
i posted about this in the honor killing thread and it got no traction. tres ironic.
misogyny is almost exclusively carried out by white westerners, and for you to bring up this isolated incident from the middle east means that you are anti-islam and probably a racist.
Yep... bitch broke the law. She should've thought about that beforehand.
Although I don't agree that my bringing this up makes me anti-Islam or racist, because this obviously has nothing to do with misogyny.
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The article said "as early as this week-end". I can't wrap my mind around the violence involved in this story. They'll bury her up to her breasts and stone her to death. I've read other cases where it takes many, many stones to actually kill someone. If they go through with this I pray that the first one is all it takes for her. I'm so disgusted about this I can't even stand it.
BTW, what's gonna happen to the men with whom she had "illicit relations"? Ooooohhhhhhh that's right...only women are slutty and disgusting enough to kill over sex. Where TF are the American women's groups? The names and groups listed in the article don't include many super high profile activist groups.
BTW, what's gonna happen to the men with whom she had "illicit relations"? Ooooohhhhhhh that's right...only women are slutty and disgusting enough to kill over sex. Where TF are the American women's groups? The names and groups listed in the article don't include many super high profile activist groups.
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Gah. I've been watching with complete horror as this story develops, too. And I agree - where are all the high-profile women's rights groups and human rights organizations? Where the hell are Hillary Clinton and Obama, for that matter? It's not that either of them have any authority to DO something about this -- but they could at least speak out.
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Serious questions here: Are they all too gun shy to actually speak out? Are they afraid of criticizing anyone in the ME? Being called racist? Being accused of being imperialist Americans imposing their will on the world?
That's the only thing I can think of that would zip the lips that are normally so outspoken in this country.
That's the only thing I can think of that would zip the lips that are normally so outspoken in this country.
one dead iranian whore is not worth pissing off the russians into thinking we're not playing along with the (winkwink) charade that iran is years away from a nuke nor is it worth the far left having a hissy fit that obama is following in the neocon footsteps of being an israel-luvvin' hawk who wants to bomb iran.
look, obama and his admin mealy-mouthed their way through the whole green revolution, even as the world watched kids murdered in the streets.
you think he's going to go out on a limb over a religious punishment?
look, obama and his admin mealy-mouthed their way through the whole green revolution, even as the world watched kids murdered in the streets.
you think he's going to go out on a limb over a religious punishment?
Serious answer (my opinion, of course):
The feminist groups have traditionally been Democratic Left. Opposition to Middle East Muslim countries has been a mostly Republican Right issue (at least since Bush invaded). It would be embarassing to suddenly have to agree with the opposition, so they say nothing.
They're not the only ones. Republicans go curiously silent when Israel bombs civilians.
It's a shame, but politics often trumps ideology.
I should have thanked you, Haskins, for the link. It did get traction, just the silent type. Like her kids said:
I had a coworker who had lived in Saudi Arabia and described a public set of executions, including a stoning of a woman hanging in a sack. It still makes me physically ill to think about. It makes me ill that he could stand there and watch it, too... and his matter-of-fact inflection He just said, "Well, that's their culture."
If it's the 21st century, it's not just their culture. We should all speak out strongly.
I had a coworker who had lived in Saudi Arabia and described a public set of executions, including a stoning of a woman hanging in a sack. It still makes me physically ill to think about. It makes me ill that he could stand there and watch it, too... and his matter-of-fact inflection
He just said, "Well, that's their culture."If it's the 21st century, it's not just their culture. We should all speak out strongly.
The guy is right technically- it is their culture. The problem is that some people think that's reason enough to defend it.
Culture or not, one has to think the people who sanction this sort of thing, get a little perverse high out of the act. Back in the day, a hanging in America was a social event. ...And since women are determined to be somewhat less than human, or half a man or whatever, it seems that to most people in the culture the loss is hardly that tragic, especially considering the old adage that "all press is good press".
Do I detect a little whining that your thread didn't get play??? Boo fucking Hoo.
You know, I'm glad I've been lurking around P&CE long enough to figure out when some of you are being facetious.
This whole situation is appalling. While the story's made its rounds on several feminist sites, you can count me in with those surprised it hasn't received wider recognition from women's rights groups like NOW. I really don't think it's a partisan issue, though; NOW's denounced other stonings (waaaay back in 2002). Maybe they're letting the human rights groups like HRW take up that torch? I don't know. Amnesty International also highlighted this issue last week, citing this specific case.
Not that either will likely make Iran stay Ashtiani's execution... or prevent future ones.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/02/iranian-woman-stoning-death-penalty
After reading the above, I'm with Don Allen about it being a form of perverse pleasure, and I also think it's a way to demonstrate power over women, intending to keep them frightened and "in their place". Just sick, regardless of culture.
There's a "Save Sakineh" petition located here if anyone's interested. It had a pitiful 10,100 signatures when I signed.
This whole situation is appalling. While the story's made its rounds on several feminist sites, you can count me in with those surprised it hasn't received wider recognition from women's rights groups like NOW. I really don't think it's a partisan issue, though; NOW's denounced other stonings (waaaay back in 2002). Maybe they're letting the human rights groups like HRW take up that torch? I don't know. Amnesty International also highlighted this issue last week, citing this specific case.
Not that either will likely make Iran stay Ashtiani's execution... or prevent future ones.
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/02/iranian-woman-stoning-death-penalty
After reading the above, I'm with Don Allen about it being a form of perverse pleasure, and I also think it's a way to demonstrate power over women, intending to keep them frightened and "in their place". Just sick, regardless of culture.
There's a "Save Sakineh" petition located here if anyone's interested. It had a pitiful 10,100 signatures when I signed.
no. first off, it wasn't my thread. secondly, the fact that it didn't get play hardly hurts my feelings; rather, it underscores the selective outrage of many of the posters here, which i find amusing and use as fodder moving forward.
Thanks for the link. When I signed it, it was up over 11,000. I don't think it'll help much, but I couldn't not sign it.
I'm not sure why there isn't more outrage on the left, either. Before 9/11, there certainly was - the left harshly condemned the Taliban for their treatment of women, for example. The only person I can remember from the right joining them in any vocal way in criticizing the Taliban on that issue back then was Laura Bush.
It's a sad story. I signed the petition.
I don't get this "selective outrage" meme. I fail to see how it means anything or accomplishes anything.
How many conservative organizations make statements about the little girls who undergo genital mutilation here in the US to "correct" clitoromegaly? Or about the prevalence of FGM among Christian populations in Egypt and throughout Africa? Or about the epidemic of domestic violence here in the US?
Guess they only care about violence against women when Muslims do it. Right?
I don't get this "selective outrage" meme. I fail to see how it means anything or accomplishes anything.
How many conservative organizations make statements about the little girls who undergo genital mutilation here in the US to "correct" clitoromegaly? Or about the prevalence of FGM among Christian populations in Egypt and throughout Africa? Or about the epidemic of domestic violence here in the US?
Guess they only care about violence against women when Muslims do it. Right?
Okay, cause the last thing anyone around here would want to do is hurt your feelings. I gotta a hanky if you need...
Are they stoning the two men she supposedly had illicit relations with to death? Were they lashed 99 times and imprisoned for 5 years?
The silence from the powerful political women is wrong. There but for the grace of where they were born it could be them
The silence from the powerful political women is wrong. There but for the grace of where they were born it could be them
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Okay, cause the last thing anyone around here would want to do is hurt your feelings. I gotta a hanky if you need...
no it's okay.
i hope you can do better at trying to publicly break my balls in the future. this was lame...
The Iranian Embassy in London is now saying she won't be stoned.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38140909/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38140909/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/
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I don't think there is a great conspiracy. Some stories get picked up and get publicity and others don't. Women are being killed under similar circumstances somewhere in the world every week. Rather than think up reasons wyy other people (like 'the feminists') are doing "their" job--why not try and think of a way to help her. How about an AW-based blog ring about this woman trying to spread her story wider than this little thread? I'll start tonight--anyone wanting to join can PM me.
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