Van der Sloot confesses

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"I did not want to do it," La Republica quoted him as saying. "The girl intruded into my private life."

Van der Sloot admitted he broke Stephany Flores' neck in a rage after she apparently used his notebook computer without permission and discovered he was involved in the disappearance of an American woman.
 

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So, 'the devil made me do it?'

What a sick, sick individual. I hope he never gets out. Does Peru have the death penalty? I hope he tells them about the H. gal too while he's at it.

Such a waste.
 

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So, 'the devil made me do it?'

What a sick, sick individual. I hope he never gets out. Does Peru have the death penalty? I hope he tells them about the H. gal too while he's at it.

Such a waste.

Peru signed the “Pact of San Jose, Costa Rica” back in '79, which is part of the American convention on Human Rights. By signing, Peru is limited to allowing the death penalty only for instances of crimes of terrorism or treason.

Their prisons have a pretty nasty rep, though.
 

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The murder victim's father has said he does not want VDS to get the death penalty (which, of course, he won't). I think, in this instance, I agree with him. This is a guy who needs to rot for as long as possible in a very bad prison. An utterly useless veneer of a human being, totally self-absorbed in shallow pleasure, and having never worked a moment in his life at a productive endeavor. Unredeemable. That house of cards has caved in on him, and I doubt even now that he understands that. He's thinking of himself as somehow a victim of circumstances. Well, let those circumstances be as difficult as humaneness will permit.

In another thread there was minor debate about whether or not he is to be considered a serial killer. I opined at the time that he probably should be, but I'll now amend that a little. I think he may be an apprentice serial killer, but hadn't got quite to the stage of really qualifying.

It's more than simply an issue of multiple homicides, or causation of multiple incidents of death. Serial killers, in the strict sense we understand from the likes of John Gacy, Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgway, Dennis Rader, are people for whom the murders themselves are the real driving interest. For these people, that moment of total control, of ending another person's life, up close and personal, is the real high. VDS never got to that stage, I don't think. For him, the predatory behavior centered on control and rape. The deaths, two of which we are pretty certain of now, were incidental. I'm sure he considers both "accidents".

But he was willing to go that far, and if he had got away with this one, I don't have much doubt it would have been a thrill he would need to repeat. A lot of serial killers seem to have started this way (Herb Baumeister and Jeffrey Dahmer are good examples; Gacy maybe, too). The good news here is that VDS is an idiot. He didn't have the smarts to be a Ted Bundy, thank God. Only the complicity of Aruban legal authorities kept him out of the slammer on the first one. I'd bet he's left a wake of other date-rapes, but I actually doubt there are other corpses beyond the two we know.

On the issue of Aruban authorities, I don't buy the idea that they were simply incompetent inexperienced rubes. Natalee Holloway's mother was asked by one of them a very weird question early on in the investigation of that disappearance, did her daughter ever have seizures? She was mystified by the question (Natalee didn't), and couldn't figure out why it had even been asked. But when VDS was caught on that court-inadmissable secret video from the reporter, confessing to one of the many versions of Natalee's death he told, he indicated both by word and gesture that she had gone into some form of seizure, drink-and-drug induced, no doubt. The Aruban police had to have got that information from VDS, in order even to have asked Holloway's mother the question. Those police have a hell of a lot to answer for, as do the two Kalpoe brothers, who are on record with a variety of contradictory stories as to what happened that key night.

We're a long way from having heard the end of all this.

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I'm very happy he has confessed. Getting too personal? Because she looked at his laptop, which he left out, no doubt. He is pitiful, although I really want to swear at him.

As far as the possibility of him being a serial killer, I think the answer is maybe. He killed Stephany Flores exactly 5 years to the day after Natalee Halloway went missing. That is very suspicious in itself.

This time around, he knows he doesn't have daddy to help him (his dad passed away this past February), so he might as well confess. Maybe everyone will think he's crazy. I suspect he's working on how to make that his defense.
 

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Different story when Daddy ain't there to bail your murdering ass out.
Aruba, is a wonderful place to vacation and one of the prettiest little islands in the world, but the government needs an asshole adjustment big time. I doubt anyone could have saved Natalie, but it would sure have made the rest of the world feel better about spending vacation money in a place where the rule of law was instituted to catch bad guys....
 

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Does anyone know anything about the Peruvian court system? From what I'm reading the chances of a swift conviction are high.
 

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I'm all for letting this guy rot, but in the fantastical world in which he lives, conjured by his own narcissism... I wonder if reality will ever set in. Peru may have a horrific prison system, but cockroaches somehow manage to eek out a life wherever it is that they are. I agree with you DA, daddy was his shield, he was the brains of the operation and the enabler. Without daddy and his connections, this kid would have been popped for Natalee. I can only hope that papa Van Der Sloot is roasting on a slow pit at a luau in Hades.
 

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From what I understand, Peru does NOT have capital punishment.
They do, but there are very strict guidelines as to when someone can be executed. I think you have to kill a member of the court system (mainly judges and cops) to get the death penalty.

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I'm all for letting this guy rot, but in the fantastical world in which he lives, conjured by his own narcissism... I wonder if reality will ever set in.
 

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I think that as the anniversary of the Holloway killing grew closer his tension levels rose; I agree, serial-killer-in-training, not serial killer.

But boy was this good news to get on waking up*, and I hope he goes somewhere very dark for a very long time now that his daddy isn't there to help him get away with murder.


(*I mean that he's been caught. It is of course horrible that another young woman had to die for that to happen; more blood on his and his fathers' hands.)
 

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"I did not want to do it," La Republica quoted him as saying. "The girl intruded into my private life."

If that is the typical answer of an abuser, "It's her fault. She made me do it."

Of course, this little bastard has gone way beyond just being an abuser and is a full fledged multiple murderer
 

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Does anyone know anything about the Peruvian court system? From what I'm reading the chances of a swift conviction are high.

I learned some stuff just the other day, from a report about the case right after VDS was arrested. Just a few years ago, Peru reformed its judicial system, to turn it into a more modern and publicly transparent adversarial court situation. In doing that, an explicit standard for conviction was established, and it's not the difficult U.S. criminal one of "beyond reasonable doubt". It's "preponderance of evidence", essentially the same standard used in U.S. civil litigation. And the cases are decided by a three-judge panel.

Peruvian authorities, both the police and the judicial, are seeing this as a showcase to the world of that legal reform. With the confession, it may move very quickly, although I think they'll at least wait until all the physical forensic evidence is established, especially DNA tests.

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I learned some stuff just the other day, from a report about the case right after VDS was arrested. Just a few years ago, Peru reformed its judicial system, to turn it into a more modern and publicly transparent adversarial court situation. In doing that, an explicit standard for conviction was established, and it's not the difficult U.S. criminal one of "beyond reasonable doubt". It's "preponderance of evidence", essentially the same standard used in U.S. civil litigation. And the cases are decided by a three-judge panel.

Peruvian authorities, both the police and the judicial, are seeing this as a showcase to the world of that legal reform. With the confession, it may move very quickly, although I think they'll at least wait until all the physical forensic evidence is established, especially DNA tests.

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Sounds like VDS will be the poster child for the new judicial system. Hopefully they'll use this case to show that they punish when punishment is due.

I believe in the US judicial system, but I'm glad that he's in another country. I'd hate to see a lawyer potentially get him exhonerated on a technicality, as happens so often with high profile cases in the US.
 

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This dude is a psychopath. I hate that another woman had to die,but it's great that he was finally caught. Who knows how many more women would have died?

Now off to a hellhole prison where he can rot forever.
 

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Police are checking on the cases of 2 girls who were casino-goers who went missing when van der Sloot was in Colombia very recently. That's neither here nor there at this point, I guess, but Wow.

In the original Spanish article I read about his confession, it also says that he said he strangled her to finish her off because she was suffering at the foot of the bed. Has anyone else read any more about that? I'm sure that's what it said, but I have no idea how reliable the reporting itself is.

I can't figure him out yet... I'm waiting for the actual evidence of what he did or didn't do. There is a story from folks who know him that he threw a 'bum' off a bridge for no reason in his younger days, though. I'm leaning toward thinking he just likes hurting/killing people when he thinks he can get away with it.
 

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I can't figure him out yet... I'm waiting for the actual evidence of what he did or didn't do. There is a story from folks who know him that he threw a 'bum' off a bridge for no reason in his younger days, though. I'm leaning toward thinking he just likes hurting/killing people when he thinks he can get away with it.

This is probably the exact reason behind him. It's a power trip, and he probably gets a lot of pleasure out of it too. That and I suspect he has a rage problem also; look at him the wrong way and he'd probably punch you in the face.
 

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This is probably the exact reason behind him. It's a power trip, and he probably gets a lot of pleasure out of it too. That and I suspect he has a rage problem also; look at him the wrong way and he'd probably punch you in the face.

Yes, people who know him keep talking about his rage and violent outbursts. I agree.

He called Natalie a whore on many occassions. I wonder if he has a 'thing' against who he sees as bums or whores? That fits his arrogant personality, too.

The beating/breaking he gave this girl was not a normal amount of anger, or even just coldly wanting someone dead, in any case.
 

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It would appear this young man will be experiencing a years long apprenticeship in Peruvian prison proctology. Hope he likes the bennys.

Waiting to see how long that smart ass smirk of his lasts. Blac nailed it all the way with this asshole. SK in training. An execution (which won't happen in Peru) would be much too merciful.

Would be nice if this punk stood up and gave the Holloways some closure on Natalie. Not counting on it though.
 

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The beating/breaking he gave this girl was not a normal amount of anger, or even just coldly wanting someone dead, in any case.

Ya know, he almost certainly didn't want her dead. Not for her benefit, of course, but for his. I'm sure there was a Holy Shit! moment in that hotel room, when he recognized what he had done, at which time the panic ensued and the idiotic flight attempt occurred. But, hey, she "intruded on his life", right? She had it coming, right?

It would be nice if we could dissect his brain while he's alive, and figure out how somebody with his background arrives at young adulthood so incredibly damaged. This is not a guy from a broken marriage, a deprived or abusive childhood, or anything like that. Neil Young in his song "Thrasher" has some great lines:

"They had the best selection,
They were poisoned with protection
There was nothing that they needed,
Nothing left to find."

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Do you think it's possible that he's killed others on that May 30th anniversary, maybe in other countries? I think they should look into it.
 

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It would be nice if we could dissect his brain while he's alive, and figure out how somebody with his background arrives at young adulthood so incredibly damaged.
Without anesthesia, please.
 

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Ya know, he almost certainly didn't want her dead. Not for her benefit, of course, but for his. I'm sure there was a Holy Shit! moment in that hotel room, when he recognized what he had done, at which time the panic ensued and the idiotic flight attempt occurred. But, hey, she "intruded on his life", right? She had it coming, right?

It would be nice if we could dissect his brain while he's alive, and figure out how somebody with his background arrives at young adulthood so incredibly damaged. This is not a guy from a broken marriage, a deprived or abusive childhood, or anything like that. Neil Young in his song "Thrasher" has some great lines:

"They had the best selection,
They were poisoned with protection
There was nothing that they needed,
Nothing left to find."

caw

If he grew up with zero accountability and his parent's attention and lives evolved around pleasing him and he could do no wrong, then yeah, he could grow pretty much as he is now. Not to mention psychology is a pretty messy thing. Wasn't Ted Bundy from a real nice white collar home?

Thankfully as you said he didn't have the smarts to become that.
 
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