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eharbaugh
05-23-2010, 07:48 AM
i need a job for a well-off character in his early thirties. i'd like him to be in business but i have no background in anything like that so i'm kind of at a loss in regards to a specfic profession. he needs to be decently paid but it also has to be fairly easy for him to get fired. any information/descriptions of any business jobs that might work would be greatly greatly appreciated

soapdish
05-23-2010, 08:26 AM
Have you tried going out to a job search website, like Monster or Careerbuilder.com or something like that? You might start by first figuring out how much schooling you think your character had. What kind of background did he come from--did he have money to go through grad school? Because that would open it up to one set of high paying jobs. Or did he land in this job another way? That would be a different situation. I think you need to have a (or provide) more of a description of the character and let that drive what job he ends up with. IMO.

Welcome to AW. :hi:

nitaworm
05-23-2010, 10:51 AM
I have several friends in investment banking, they make almost 300K a year up to 500K.

waylander
05-23-2010, 12:28 PM
Management consulting possibly. That's a business where people move around a lot and often get fired

tirial
05-23-2010, 07:32 PM
Management consulting possibly. That's a business where people move around a lot and often get fired Agreed. In some consultancies once you reach a certain rank you can get let go for simply not bringing in enough new business. People often reach that level around their thirties.

Other roles which pay well? In-house accountant or lawyer (could be fired for an error or to cover someone else's tracks) Project or program manager (let go for failing to bring a project in on time and to budget) creative director (let go for plagarism, whether justified or simply because the company wants to avoid a lawsuit). IT director/head of (let go for a security breach etc.)

If this is set in an At-will state your character could be fired for almost anything.

eharbaugh
05-23-2010, 08:43 PM
waylander and tirial, i was playing around with the idea of him being a management consultant but i realized i have no idea what that job entails. any ideas on that front? also soapdish mentioned grad school, which i had never considered before but might actually make sense. would my character need to have gone to grad school to get a consulting job?

tirial
05-23-2010, 09:15 PM
He'd normally need a first degree at least, possibly an MBA. It is possible that he got in without one through an odd route e.g. seconded after outsourcing, but this is rare.

Does he have to be fired? If he's a consultant it is a lot more common for them to be "let go" or "non-renewed". Outright firing is unusual.

There's a career description at prospects.ac.uk (http://www.prospects.ac.uk/p/types_of_job/management_consultant_job_description.jsp) with some of the basics. In his thirties, he'd be doing the second group of tasks. There are lots of streams of management consultancy - strategy, change, tech etc. What exactly he works on will depend on what stream he's in.

jennontheisland
05-23-2010, 09:21 PM
Sales.

You can make serious cash. Need at least a bachelors degree. Can rise quickly if you're good. And are the first to be let go when a company hits rough times.

backslashbaby
05-23-2010, 10:15 PM
I work with turnaround management consultants for manufacturing, if you need specific info. It is a good choice, imho. You can get fired if you work for a larger practice (like, not your own business), definitely.

What you do? Fix anything they've been screwing up :D That includes being interim CEO, COO, etc. We also handle selling off companies (or parts), and securing loans from banks or securing venture capitalists for ones being fixed up. A lot of bankruptcy stuff, too, as you might imagine.

ETA: He does need an MBA. He could be a venture capitalist, too.

Linda Adams
05-24-2010, 12:54 AM
Oracle programmer. Pays really well. If he already had the experience, he wouldn't need the degree (a relative is an Oracle programmer. No college. Got his experience in the army).

Things to get fired for: Poor performance, clashes with the boss, positive on a drug test, etc.

Or, depending on the job, the contract could run out of money (that happened to me; I was laid off three times).

Noah Body
05-24-2010, 05:54 PM
Hedge fund broker. Guy I went to high school with made $40 million one year. Out of work the next year when the economy went into the hopper. Bought a 60-foot Sea Ray yacht and is in the middle of cruising from Long Island Sound to the Florida Keys. Me hates him.

Bing Z
05-24-2010, 10:28 PM
Depends on:
- How well off do you want. What is the intended lifestyle of your guy? Does he live in a $5 million house? Does he wear $9k bespoke? Does he drive a $200k Porsche? Answer yes - go for hedge fund guys Noah suggests. Otherwise go for marketing/sales guys, then consultants etc. Match his job and earnings to his lifestyle and vise versa.
- Where is the story set? If it's set in Centerville, Idaho, chances are you can't make him a finance guy. He may have to be an entrepreneur, which is, in theory, another great way of making superb living. He can simply be "the biggest cookie supplier in this state." Another plus side is you don't have to worry about your guy don't "look" like a "knowledgeable consultant," even though he's throwing out trade jargon you copy from Wikipedia.

Anyhow, "Financial Broker" is a vague term I like. He doesn't necessary need a college degree. He can be a stock/mortgage broker--a licensed one or a guy making cold calls 8 hours a day--earning $25k to $150k a year. He can be a specialist doing corporate public offerings, making millions a year, but must be living in certain big cities. He can even be a guy living on his Boeing private jet arranging funds for oil rigs.

Don't worry about getting fired. Everyone gets fired for poor performance or sleeping with the wrong person or economic slump or even no good reason. If you really need a reason to get fired for doing nothing wrong, go for merger.

eharbaugh
05-24-2010, 10:57 PM
bingain, you bring up some great points. he's living in new york so location isn't a limiting factor as far as job is concerned. he has to be well-off enough to afford a nice apartment but getting fired still has to be able to put his lifestyle/apartment in jeopardy. there can't just be an endless supply of money.

i'm having trouble with this primarily i think because i've never properly been in the work force, let alone in business (still in school at the moment) so i'm fairily unsure about what type of salary equals what sort of lifestyle and what type of job equals what type of salary.

tirial
05-25-2010, 12:01 AM
If he hasn't built up any savings, or wasn't expecting to get let go his lifestyle could be placed in jeopardy no matter what he was earning (particularly true if he debt financed it and now can't pay the credit card bills without a salary).

The rent in some areas of upscale New York can be several thousand a month, which he could probably afford on a senior consultant's or broker's salary, but without the salary or savings he would quickly be in trouble.

One of my short stories from years ago dated very badly as the value of money changed, so you might want to avoid giving actual figures and just focus on the general lifestyle.

backslashbaby
05-25-2010, 03:21 AM
If you go with consultant, he'd be travelling to the companies, banks, etc., so he can live anywhere he wants. I respectfully disagree with Bingain's rankings, but it depends on who he works for and his clients, of course.

I would say that venture capitalist, hedge fund dude, or financial guy would be more immediately identifiable as the sort of job you mean. OTOH, I think it's easier to picture what a management consultant does day-to-day, but I've grown up with it, lol ;) Seriously, though, they just find where the problems are, for the most part -- common sense stuff, imho, but don't quote me on that :D

Bing Z
05-25-2010, 06:18 AM
I have just finished a little research for decent downtown apartments in NYC. I found a nice two bedroom apt (http://www.trulia.com/property/3006427190-55-E-9th-St-New-York-NY-10003) in Greenwich Village. I may have driven around it, too. Nice location, nothing luxurious. Asking $1.45m. Now, this is a home many of us can't afford. He'll have to make $250k+ a year to qualify for the mortgage. He may not drive, but he will dress decently nice (yet no Kilgour suits) and may club a bit. He'll have a hard nut to crack when he's fired. He may have say $50k in bank, but how long can his savings last for the $9K a month mortgage & property tax bill? :Shrug:

eharbaugh
05-25-2010, 07:32 AM
backslashbaby, (or anyone who has been talking about consulting really), would he be able to stay mostly in new york as a consultant or would that be unrealistic? would he be forced to travel more than just around the city?

and bingain, i absolutely love doing research on the apartments. i live close to new york so some of those apartments are truly the stuff my dreams are made of. they make me feel so poor though.

backslashbaby
05-25-2010, 08:29 AM
It depends on what he's best at, and his age to a lesser extent. He could certainly run analyses based on what others have found at the actual company. There is a lot of legwork finding better sources, discussing contracts on the phone, dealing with customs, etc.

I've only worked onsite for a few projects, mostly my choice (and skills, obviously). Those who are literally the new CEO, COO, etc. are onsite the vast majority of the time. The folks who do mainly the bank stuff mostly live in NYC or Charlotte already.

So he could definitely live in NYC.

I'm not a real one, btw. I work for my dad, and he just knows what I can help with or not.

Projects can last years, btw. Dad lived in both NYC and LA for a few years each, coming home on the weekends.

The company pays for where you live on the project, but most everyone keeps their own home base, too, so keep that in mind. Better make the project outside of where he lives to explain why he'd have to pay rent.

Or!! Maybe that's why he's in big trouble when he's let go! I know folks who had to leave foreign countries because they got fired. It can shake up the living arrangements, certainly ;)

Smiling Ted
05-25-2010, 09:56 AM
Folks, be aware-

There's more to all of these jobs than a paycheck and a lack of job security. People who are venture capitalists have a profoundly different mindset from those who do IT; classical accountants are different from salespeople; and so on and so on.

The biggest difference is between the professional mindset (lawyers, accountants, analysts, etc) and the hustler mindset (traders, VC, hedge fund managers, brokers, salesmen).