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Kensington
05-09-2010, 10:14 PM
This one, that's causing all the furore would be hard to beat. http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155548&page=6

But do you have another candidate for top spot that's even worse?

http://damnationbooks.com/book.php?isbn=9781615720781

ETA: I deleted the cover in question, but have added a link. Soccer Mom.

triceretops
05-09-2010, 10:18 PM
Hmmm...that looks like a zombie with a riding crop.

Tri

brainstorm77
05-09-2010, 10:32 PM
I'm not so sure about this thread. Posting about another authors book cover and how bad it is to me is in poor taste.

MaryMumsy
05-09-2010, 10:32 PM
It's a golf club, most likely a 3-iron.

MM

Calla Lily
05-09-2010, 10:35 PM
Golfer on Hallowe'en dressed at the MC from A Clockwork Orange after triple-bogeying the eighteenth and taking it out on his caddy?

Someow I don't think that's the plot of the book. :)

And my offering, from the great blog, Judge a Book by its Cover (http://judgeabook.blogspot.com/):

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X2YpBDWHkYo/SoGnfH_d8FI/AAAAAAAABMA/hDjAl0GeMC8/s400/eat+me.jpg

Terie
05-09-2010, 10:38 PM
Oh good grief. You want bad? Here's a plethora of bad covers to choose from (not to mention some ab-fab snark to go with them):

http://www.judgeabook.blogspot.com/

ETA: Jinx, callalily61! You owe me a Coke! :D

Kensington
05-09-2010, 10:43 PM
I'm not so sure about this thread. Posting about another authors book cover and how bad it is to me is in poor taste.

It usually would be, Brainstorm. But the situation here is different. The author hates the cover so much that he tried to terminate his contract with the publisher. That's when he was hit with an $800 kill fee. He has now reissued his book independently.

brainstorm77
05-09-2010, 10:45 PM
It usually would be, Brainstorm. But the situation here is different. The author hates the cover so much that he tried to terminate his contract with the publisher. That's when he was hit with an $800 kill fee. He has now reissued his book independently.

Of which you have repeated over and over over the the bewares section and now you bring it over here. Like what is the point of this? We get it.

Kensington
05-09-2010, 10:46 PM
Golfer on Hallowe'en dressed at the MC from A Clockwork Orange after triple-bogeying the eighteenth and taking it out on his caddy?

Someow I don't think that's the plot of the book. :)



You're right.;) This is the plot: In this supernatural thriller, three aimless souls collide in a tempest of lust, violence and vice in Washington, DC, where the elitist country clubs they call their home can be as cutthroat as the business of staying popular. As their triangle grows tighter, they each battle to hold on to their sanity, one fleeing to Africa, the other two signing up for a cruise to Mexico. But they cannot evade their fate. And as they face down doubles and triples of themselves stalking them wherever they run, they will learn that the demons that haunt them will accept only blood for their final sacrifice."

http://www.damnationbooks.com/people.php?author=71

Terie
05-09-2010, 10:50 PM
Of which you have repeated over and over over the the bewares section and now you bring it over here. Like what is the point of this? We get it.

This. This this this. Are you paying attention, yet? You might be on a mission about this publisher, but the discussion (which you keep sidetracking) belongs in BR&BC. Bringing it out to a wider audience isn't necessary just because the publiisher has got your knickers in a twist.

Kensington
05-09-2010, 10:51 PM
Oh good grief. You want bad? Here's a plethora of bad covers to choose from (not to mention some ab-fab snark to go with them):

http://www.judgeabook.blogspot.com/

ETA: Jinx, callalily61! You owe me a Coke! :D

You're right. Some of those are so awful they're comical. My pic was Pride and Prejudice. It's really pretty hilarious, although I'm sure that wasn't the intent. :D

brainstorm77
05-09-2010, 10:52 PM
If the authors in question are so outraged with Kim and how they've been treated, then THEY can do something about it.

Kensington
05-09-2010, 10:56 PM
This. This this this. Are you paying attention, yet? You might be on a mission about this publisher, but the discussion (which you keep sidetracking) belongs in BR&BC. Bringing it out to a wider audience isn't necessary just because the publiisher has got your knickers in a twist.

That wasn't the intention, Terie. I thought we could have some fun with truly awful book covers. That's how the thread started out. But then some explanation became necessary, vis a vis, about the ethics of posting another author's cover like this. I still think it's a fun idea, if it stays on track -- just the book covers. And here are some more pretty bad ones:

http://punkrockpenguin.net/waste/amuse/badcovers/

Calla Lily
05-09-2010, 10:57 PM
After reading that, I don't think the cover has much to do with the plot (I didn't follow the B&BC discussion). However, assuming the publisher has good distribution and a good sales track record, they may know what will click with the target audience.

My publisher asked me for input on what I think might look good on the cover, but it was just that--input. I saw my cover last week and I :heart: it. But even if I was 'meh' about it, I'd take into account that they know the market.

brainstorm77
05-09-2010, 10:58 PM
That wasn't the intention, Terie. I thought we could have some fun with truly awful book covers. That's how the thread started out. But then some explanation became necessary, vis a vis, about the ethics of posting another author's cover like this. I still think it's a fun idea, if it stays on track -- just the book covers.

How would feel with your cover being posted here? Especially if you already felt bad anyway about the way it looked to start with?

Terie
05-09-2010, 11:03 PM
That wasn't the intention, Terie. I thought we could have some fun with truly awful book covers.

For future reference, then, next time, don't post someone else's cover. You could just as easily have posed the question without harping on something you've been harping on elsewhere. After all, while the cover admittedly has nothing to do with the story, it's not a bad cover in and of itself. It's a slapped-on clip art, just like the vast majority of PublishAmerica covers.

brainstorm77
05-09-2010, 11:03 PM
For future reference, then, next time, don't post someone else's cover. You could just as easily have posed the question without harping on something you've been harping on elsewhere. After all, while the cover admittedly has nothing to do with the story, it's not a bad cover in and of itself. It's a slapped-on clip art, just like the vast majority of PublishAmerica covers.

Exactly.

J.Henry
05-09-2010, 11:09 PM
I find some of those sci-fi covers really awful. They look like bad comic book drawings.

http://www.sffworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18194

J.Henry
05-09-2010, 11:12 PM
How would feel with your cover being posted here? Especially if you already felt bad anyway about the way it looked to start with?

Anyone that thin skinned is maybe in the wrong business. What would an author like that do if he got a bad review?

willietheshakes
05-09-2010, 11:17 PM
Hey, Kensington - I think if you put your mind to it, you could figure out a way to shoehorn your crusade into every forum here by the end of the day!

brainstorm77
05-09-2010, 11:21 PM
Anyone that thin skinned is maybe in the wrong business. What would an author like that do if he got a bad review?

And that first cover is another member's cover. It's already been an issue with them enough to make them try and break their contract. It doesn't need to be reposted in another thread to be ridiculed.
As for reviews, an author writes the book to start with, and then it's on them. A cover is often beyond their control!

shaldna
05-09-2010, 11:41 PM
:Soapbox:

brainstorm77
05-09-2010, 11:43 PM
:Soapbox: You can have my soapbox if you want it :D. I have to get ready for work :tongue

Clementine B
05-09-2010, 11:52 PM
[QUOTE=Kensington;4939527]This one, that's causing all the furore would be hard to beat. http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155548&page=6

But do you have another candidate for top spot that's even worse?

http://damnationbooks.com/book.php?isbn=9781615720781


This isn't just bad, it's repugnant. Ick.

J.Henry
05-10-2010, 12:01 AM
[QUOTE=Kensington;4939527]This one, that's causing all the furore would be hard to beat. http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155548&page=6

But do you have another candidate for top spot that's even worse?

http://damnationbooks.com/book.php?isbn=9781615720781

/QUOTE]

No wonder this is so bad. The artist is actually a tattooist.

http://www.checkoutmyink.com/profile/matttruiano1#comment-225134

Here are his other covers:
http://www.damnationbooks.com/people.php?artist=25

willietheshakes
05-10-2010, 12:04 AM
No wonder this is so bad. The artist is actually a tattooist.

http://www.checkoutmyink.com/profile/matttruiano1#comment-225134

Oh, good. Let's attack tattooists now.

brainstorm77
05-10-2010, 12:06 AM
No wonder this is so bad. The artist is actually a tattooist.

http://www.checkoutmyink.com/profile/matttruiano1#comment-225134

And what's that supposed to mean? Many tattooist draw their own designs.

Soccer Mom
05-10-2010, 12:11 AM
Okay, I've taken out the image of the cover in question, but left the thread. I've included the link to the publisher that anyone could go and see for themselves. Let's keep this discussion about specific covers and not about the damnation/eternal press debacle.

Cover Cafe has their annual cover contest going on right now, including their "Worst Cover of 2009." These are all romance novel covers. I voted for the Werewolf Sanctuary one. http://www.covercafe.com/contest/2009/WO.html

Enjoy!

Clementine B
05-10-2010, 12:30 AM
Any of these would be a candidate for "worst." There's no disputing that Damnation Books have some of the worst covers in the business.

http://www.damnationbooks.com/searches.php?category=new

Calla Lily
05-10-2010, 12:32 AM
:ROFL: Mr. Hyde's Assets had my vote till I clicked on Redline Lover. A roaring, accelerating sports car emanating from a man's package? :Wha:

And the little wolf puppies on Werewolf Sanctuary are so cuuute!

Clementine B
05-10-2010, 12:39 AM
Okay, I've taken out the image of the cover in question, but left the thread. I've included the link to the publisher that anyone could go and see for themselves. Let's keep this discussion about specific covers and not about the damnation/eternal press debacle.

Cover Cafe has their annual cover contest going on right now, including their "Worst Cover of 2009." These are all romance novel covers. I voted for the Werewolf Sanctuary one. http://www.covercafe.com/contest/2009/WO.html

Enjoy!

I voted for the muscle bound dude straddling the car. :-)

Clementine B
05-10-2010, 12:43 AM
And what's that supposed to mean? Many tattooist draw their own designs.

But this particular tattoo artist draws designs that are uniformly awful.

http://www.damnationbooks.com/people.php?artist=25

This one gets my vote as one of the worst:

http://www.damnationbooks.com/book.php?isbn=9781615720163

Kensington
05-10-2010, 12:50 AM
I voted for the muscle bound dude straddling the car. :-)

That's my choice too. It's pretty gross.

Cyia
05-10-2010, 01:20 AM
A Clockwork Orange was my first thought, too. And it's far from the worst cover ever.

Soccer Mom
05-10-2010, 01:29 AM
Baen puts out a pretty good read in spite of having some of the most craptastic covers (http://judgeabook.blogspot.com/search/label/Baen)in the business. There are quite a few at the judge a book blogspot.

Calla Lily
05-10-2010, 03:35 AM
LOL, not mine! AFAIK it's no one's on AW either.

shaldna
05-10-2010, 01:17 PM
Tattooists are, on the whole, amazing artists. Mine is awesome. He does most of his work freehand and has won awards and shit.

Terie
05-10-2010, 01:34 PM
Tattooists are, on the whole, amazing artists. Mine is awesome. He does most of his work freehand and has won awards and shit.

Mine, too. She and her work have been featured prominently in books and TV shows on tattoo artistry. Not to mention that my custom tattoo is beautiful. :D

brainstorm77
05-10-2010, 02:50 PM
Tattooists are, on the whole, amazing artists. Mine is awesome. He does most of his work freehand and has won awards and shit.

Same here. And another tattooist in the same shop also paints. His paintings go for thousands.

shaldna
05-10-2010, 05:13 PM
Mine, too. She and her work have been featured prominently in books and TV shows on tattoo artistry. Not to mention that my custom tattoo is beautiful. :D


Mine too. Well, all my tatts are custom, but the one on my back is the one we are all most proud of. I designed it, and he pieced it together to fit my contours. It takes up the whole of my lower back and took about 10 hours start to finish and four sessions to complete.

Jamesaritchie
05-10-2010, 05:33 PM
I can't even remember a book cover. I almost never even notice them.

brainstorm77
05-10-2010, 08:30 PM
I can't even remember a book cover. I almost never even notice them.

Poor vision?

Jamesaritchie
05-10-2010, 09:40 PM
T
He does most of his work freehand and has won awards and shit.

He shits when he wins awards?

ChaosTitan
05-10-2010, 09:47 PM
He shits when he wins awards?

:ROFL:

Sugertime
05-10-2010, 11:35 PM
He shits when he wins awards?

Nope, he shits when he looks at the Damnation covers.

http://www.damnationbooks.com/searches.php?category=top

kaitie
05-11-2010, 12:55 PM
That wasn't the intention, Terie. I thought we could have some fun with truly awful book covers. That's how the thread started out. But then some explanation became necessary, vis a vis, about the ethics of posting another author's cover like this. I still think it's a fun idea, if it stays on track -- just the book covers. And here are some more pretty bad ones:

http://punkrockpenguin.net/waste/amuse/badcovers/

Seems in poor taste to me. Authors with bad covers don't usually get much say in it. I know if I was already sensitive about a bad cover, seeing my book on a thread like this would be really upsetting. I don't think it's "fun" to make fun of other author's work, particularly something they have no control over.

And to be honest? The golf club one? I don't particularly mind. In fact, I think it's sorta cool. It's freaky as heck, and that's good. It's also well done, whether you like it or not. Considering some of the very poorly photoshopped covers I've seen out there, this isn't all that bad.

kaitie
05-11-2010, 01:00 PM
Nope, he shits when he looks at the Damnation covers.

http://www.damnationbooks.com/searches.php?category=top

Gosh this is just getting...I don't know. It's one thing to say in the B&BC section that you dislike a publisher's covers. I wouldn't submit to some solely based on covers. But to then come over here and not only say that you dislike the covers, but to outright MOCK them like this? Why the frak is this even being allowed?

And even more to the point, why the frak do you think it's okay to do this sorta thing? Do you really get your shits and giggles from making fun of other people? Maybe I just spent too much of my life on the other end of those taunts, but seriously people. You aren't in elementary school. Grow up.

Momento Mori
05-11-2010, 01:26 PM
Given that the combined twattery of Sugertime, Kensington, Clementine B and J.Henry has managed to close two threads in Bewares and Background check, and they all seem intent on continuing their pathetic little hate on ad hominem attacks here (this time slagging off other authors who have books that they may well like the cover of), I'll take bets on how long it takes before they get this thread locked as well.

Guys - the donkey is dead. You have flogged it to death. What you're all doing now is not classy.

MM

brainstorm77
05-11-2010, 02:10 PM
I don't get it. YOu all made your point on how you feel about EP/DB and more specifically its owner. You have slammed her over and over personally, and she's not even around to defend herself. It's cowardly. Take the advice of the others here and drop it. The other two threads have been locked because of how you have acted. I'm starting to wonder if you are all the same person posting under different names.

shaldna
05-11-2010, 05:47 PM
Gosh this is just getting...I don't know. It's one thing to say in the B&BC section that you dislike a publisher's covers. I wouldn't submit to some solely based on covers. But to then come over here and not only say that you dislike the covers, but to outright MOCK them like this? Why the frak is this even being allowed?

And even more to the point, why the frak do you think it's okay to do this sorta thing? Do you really get your shits and giggles from making fun of other people? Maybe I just spent too much of my life on the other end of those taunts, but seriously people. You aren't in elementary school. Grow up.


I'm with Kaitie on this one.

MacAllister
05-11-2010, 08:59 PM
Wow, look at that! People in time-out for bringing their private crusade to AW and being generally rude, unpleasant, and otherwise behaving badly when they've previously shown little or no redeeming behavior here, which might otherwise get them a bit more slack.


It usually would be, Brainstorm. But the situation here is different. The author hates the cover so much that he tried to terminate his contract with the publisher. That's when he was hit with an $800 kill fee. He has now reissued his book independently.


Anyone that thin skinned is maybe in the wrong business. What would an author like that do if he got a bad review?



This one, that's causing all the furore would be hard to beat. http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155548&page=6

But do you have another candidate for top spot that's even worse?

http://damnationbooks.com/book.php?isbn=9781615720781


This isn't just bad, it's repugnant. Ick.


Any of these would be a candidate for "worst." There's no disputing that Damnation Books have some of the worst covers in the business.

http://www.damnationbooks.com/searches.php?category=new


Nope, he shits when he looks at the Damnation covers.

http://www.damnationbooks.com/searches.php?category=top

Ravenwing
05-11-2010, 11:24 PM
I don't have any problem with any comments I've seen either here, or on other threads. Perhaps some of them would be inappropriate for a classroom, but in an adult venue, with writers for heaven sakes, I think they're just fine. I have noticed, however, that the Publish America threads are particularly vitriolic. Then one can understand why. Authors who have been scammed by a disreputable publisher could hardly be expected to feel otherwise.

Cheers

brainstorm77
05-11-2010, 11:28 PM
I don't have any problem with any comments I've seen either here, or on other threads. Perhaps some of them would be inappropriate for a classroom, but in an adult venue, with writers for heaven sakes, I think they're just fine. I have noticed, however, that the Publish America threads are particularly vitriolic. Then one can understand why. Authors who have been scammed by a disreputable publisher could hardly be expected to feel otherwise.

Cheers

You don't have an issue about personal attacks? That isn't fine! As for being scammed, then take action. Actions speak louder then words.

Mr Flibble
05-11-2010, 11:37 PM
As long as no one calls bipolar suffers loony tunes and unprofessional in this in this thread.

This has got to be one of my fave covers though(and the author had a sense of humour about it too, because what can you do? She used it to sell more books too :D

So here we are. Once, twice, three hands (http://www.christinadodd.com/castles.html) a lady!

Ravenwing
05-11-2010, 11:39 PM
You don't have an issue about personal attacks? That isn't fine! As for being scammed, then take action. Actions speak louder then words.

I didn't see any personal attacks re Eternal Press/Damnation that were any more extreme than those on the PA threads.

brainstorm77
05-11-2010, 11:41 PM
I didn't see any personal attacks re Eternal Press/Damnation that were any more extreme than those on the PA threads.

Oh please! Then you need to go back and re-read them. It's the reason they got locked by the mods.

Ravenwing
05-11-2010, 11:47 PM
As long as no one calls bipolar suffers loony tunes and unprofessional in this in this thread.



According to EP authors, Ally Robertson behaved erratically and was extremely difficult to deal with. Add to that the fact that she chose to confide her mental illness to the world, and it's rather setting the stage for the "loony tunes" epithet, don't you think? Good heavens, folks have been called worse than this with much less reason. I can see why EP authors are angry. Books they know were purchased never appeared on royalty statements. Then when all they wanted was out, they were hit with a termination fee demand, when no such clause existed in their contracts. How would you expect them to feel about this publisher, refer to her as a jolly nice lady???????????????

And while I'm not condoning personal attacks, I can, nevertheless, understand the motivation behind them. Especially, since this publisher is conducting a smear campaign against the authors who have spoken up against their practices. Read the Piers Anthony site.

brainstorm77
05-11-2010, 11:49 PM
According to EP authors, Ally Robertson behaved erratically and was extremely difficult to deal with. Add to that the fact that she chose to confide her mental illness to the world, and it's rather setting the stage for the "loony tunes" epithet, don't you think? Good heavens, folks have been called worse than this with much less reason. I can see why EP authors are angry. Books they know were purchased never appeared on royalty statements. Then when all they wanted was out, they were hit with a termination fee demand, when no such clause existed in their contracts. How would you expect them to feel about this publisher, refer to her as a jolly nice lady???????????????

And personal attacks accomplish???

Terie
05-11-2010, 11:55 PM
Smart move, Ravenwing, to bring your complaints to this thread, which isn't locked, because you can't make your points in the locked threads. NOT.

brainstorm77
05-11-2010, 11:57 PM
I smell sockpuppet.

Soccer Mom
05-11-2010, 11:59 PM
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we're done. We don't find new places to hash out threads when the old ones are locked for bad behavior. We don't. Do. Not.