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KathleenD
03-25-2010, 04:12 AM
I checked the index, P&E, and Google - the only mention of Circlet Press here on AW that I found is in the erotica sub-forum as a possible market. And in a few writer sig files.

Anyone have any experience with this outfit? They just put out a call for submissions for an anthology that grabbed me. But checking here and Piers before submitting has become second nature, and I twitch when I don't find anything.

There's probably medication for this, but I figured I would start a thread, too.

http://www.circlet.com/?page_id=2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circlet_Press

eqb
03-25-2010, 04:22 AM
Circlet is small, but with a good reputation in their niche. Cecilia Tan is the founder and editor. She's great to work with. Be aware that the publisher can be very slow to respond.

Unimportant
03-25-2010, 07:50 AM
As eqb said, their response times are erratic, but they put out very nice work and Cecilia Tan is great to work with and has an excellent rep as an erotica editor.

KathleenD
03-25-2010, 05:11 PM
Very slow in a publishing context? Do watches come with an "eon" hand?

;)

Thanks for the responses, I appreciate it.

eqb
03-25-2010, 08:34 PM
Response times with Circlet get measured in years, sometimes.

Maryn
03-25-2010, 10:14 PM
I've had no direct dealings, but Circlet books are in the erotica sections of the stores I shop in which have erotica sections. That's a huge plus, placing books in stores. Many erotica presses apparently can't or don't reach the mainstream markets like Barnes & Noble, Borders, Chapters, and such.

Maryn, who's bought a few

Unimportant
03-26-2010, 03:21 AM
In my experience, a novel length ms will not get a response from Circlet (at least not within a year or more). Short stories subbed for a specific antho will get a response time pretty much as stated in the guidelines. I subbed one flash story to their Friday-Fic blog submission call and got a response within days.

eqb
03-26-2010, 03:45 AM
It depends on the anthology. I submitted to a Circlet anthology in 2006. The projected response time was for late 2006/early 2007. The acceptance came this week. This is not unusual with them.

And yet, they are an excellent market, Cecilia Tan is an outstanding editor, and she knows how to market her books. So in spite of the delays, they are at the top of my list for SFF/erotica.

veinglory
03-26-2010, 05:05 AM
I have a tendency to buy anthologies Tan has edited. She knows her stuff.

mlhernandez
03-26-2010, 07:24 AM
I have a tendency to buy anthologies Tan has edited. She knows her stuff.


Agreed. There's just nothing else on the market quite like their anthologies. I've enjoyed them very much.

laurenpburka
03-26-2010, 07:56 PM
In my experience, a novel length ms will not get a response from Circlet (at least not within a year or more). Short stories subbed for a specific antho will get a response time pretty much as stated in the guidelines. I subbed one flash story to their Friday-Fic blog submission call and got a response within days.

Circlet doesn't accept unsolicited novel-length submissions (so says the guidelines), so that may be your problem here.

Unimportant
03-27-2010, 01:33 AM
Thanks for the guidelines update, Lauren. (IIRC, they did accept novel subs around 10 years ago, when my partner subbed a book to them but never got a response.)

CaoPaux
12-29-2011, 06:16 AM
Updating link: http://www.circlet.com/

Silver-Midnight
02-27-2012, 04:49 AM
Does this publisher still send out rejections and acceptance letters slowly, or has their speed picked up some?

LaylahHunter
11-21-2012, 10:28 PM
Some numbers:
Short story submitted 9/10 (right before the anthology deadline)
Acceptance email 11/21

Kimber
01-30-2013, 09:41 PM
Here are some more numbers:
1/28/12 sent sub
8/19/12 acceptance
8/21/12 contract
10/28 request from editor to make changes
10/29 revised story sent back

Still no word since then, and no idea when it might be coming out. It was ghost-themed, so maybe Halloween?

As an aside, I had subbed another story elsewhere and didn't hear back for months and months, even no response to queries. I spotted a sub call on Circlet that the story would work for and pulled it from the first place, sent it to Circlet. A week later I heard the original antho was delayed, but back on (and here I will be waiting the long wait once more). Palm to forehead.

It really depends on the editor and his/her work load...

LaylahHunter
01-30-2013, 10:40 PM
Yikes, that's a brutal wait! I still haven't heard anything since the acceptance email I got in November -- no contract and no edits. There aren't any other markets that I have in mind for the story (alien-gendered menage short fiction is a pretty specific niche) so I'm just letting it be for now, but it's been jarring in comparison with the short story turnaround time at Dreamspinner or Torquere.

michael_b
01-31-2013, 12:25 AM
Circlet is very slow. They always have been. I've been trying to get additional copies of a print anthology I had a story in and got a response from them in 3 months. I requested info on more books than the number of copies they replied about--they only gave an option for ordering 2 and I wanted 6--and haven't gotten a reply in the more than the 6 months since I emailed with the corrected number. I've tried three times now. I've given up on the order entirely.

For the record, I had a story accepted there in 1997 that didn't see publication until 2001. This is all too common with Circlet.

Gravity
01-31-2013, 12:37 AM
Sweet holy moley. Four years?? That's beyond unacceptable, and firmly in the realm of "no way in hell."

LaylahHunter
01-31-2013, 01:23 AM
For the record, I had a story accepted there in 1997 that didn't see publication until 2001. This is all too common with Circlet.

That would have been before they rebooted as an epublisher, which appears to have sped things up at least somewhat -- comparing submission call dates with publication dates shows recent releases coming 1 to 1.5 years after the close of submissions (Like a Coming Wave, Like a Breath of Flame, and Like a Midsummer's Night were all released in the last half of 2012 and fit this pattern).

Still definitely on the slow end! But not quite as dire as they apparently were fifteen years ago.

Kimber
01-31-2013, 04:35 AM
Yikes, that's a brutal wait! I still haven't heard anything since the acceptance email I got in November -- no contract and no edits. There aren't any other markets that I have in mind for the story (alien-gendered menage short fiction is a pretty specific niche) so I'm just letting it be for now, but it's been jarring in comparison with the short story turnaround time at Dreamspinner or Torquere.

That wasn't for "Wired Hard 5," was it? That's the one I subbed to in December. I guess you have to be willing to forget about whatever you send them and just move on with your writing life. ;) Someday, you may have a surprise in your inbox.

LaylahHunter
01-31-2013, 04:38 AM
hah, no, I doubt they've sent anything out for WH5 yet -- they extended the deadline to February 1st for subs there, so I doubt anyone will hear on that one for...quite a while. (The one I've heard back on was Like a Love Triangle, tho I have a sub in for WH5 now too.)

MumblingSage
02-04-2013, 10:58 PM
I got my rejection from WH5 with helpful commentary in mid-December.

The acceptances I've recieved, though often very kind (I mean, it's always nice to get an acceptance, but the acceptances I get from Circlet's microfiction & antho editors are always so passionate and excited sounding!), do take between 3-6 months to show up. Except I once had a flash fiction accepted within a day.

From my personal experience, a short story I sold back at the beginning of 2012 was paid in June, and I recieved the PDF copy for copy editing/rereading in December 2012. The short stories I've recieved acceptances for in the second half of 2012 are still, for the most part, awaiting contract.

I'm comforted to hear this is not unusual with them, and hey, at least this way I know I will be getting a steady stream of publishing credits for the next few years!

Kimber
02-18-2013, 06:16 AM
Got a lovely rejection for WH5 today, so only 9 weeks!

LaylahHunter
02-18-2013, 10:58 PM
I think the editor must be making progress through the WH5 subs pretty quickly now! I got an acceptance for it this weekend :)

michael_b
02-19-2013, 12:02 AM
I'm comforted to hear this is not unusual with them, and hey, at least this way I know I will be getting a steady stream of publishing credits for the next few years!

If all you're looking for are publishing credits, then Circlet is okay. If you want to make more money than they pay, I'd suggest looking elsewhere. They're pay rates for anthos are really low end and most epublishers pay much higher rates for anthology stories. (Unless Circlet's upped their typical antho rate above the $25-$50 I've seen in the past, which I don't believe they've done.)

MumblingSage
02-20-2013, 12:03 AM
If all you're looking for are publishing credits, then Circlet is okay. If you want to make more money than they pay, I'd suggest looking elsewhere. They're pay rates for anthos are really low end and most epublishers pay much higher rates for anthology stories. (Unless Circlet's upped their typical antho rate above the $25-$50 I've seen in the past, which I don't believe they've done.)

Yeah, I figured out Circlet isn't a substitute for my part-time job at around the 5-months-no-contract-yet point ;D

Although I've yet to see any romance/erotica epub paying more than the 1-cent/word mark (and sometimes much less when they want longer stories). Short stories just don't pay. But they're free advertising, and it's fun to stretch your writing muscles to meet a theme & deadline...well, sometimes, at least.


I think the editor must be making progress through the WH5 subs pretty quickly now! I got an acceptance for it this weekend :)
Congrats!

michael_b
02-20-2013, 12:18 AM
Just to let you know, Torquere takes stories for their 'sips' themes that are 3000-8000 words which pay 45% of royalties. They also have other themes in the 10,000 to 20,000 range that pay the same rate. Sales there, from what I've seen, are good. They're likely much better than the antho rates you're getting at Circlet.

LaylahHunter
02-20-2013, 01:04 AM
Just to let you know, Torquere takes stories for their 'sips' themes that are 3000-8000 words which pay 45% of royalties. They also have other themes in the 10,000 to 20,000 range that pay the same rate. Sales there, from what I've seen, are good. They're likely much better than the antho rates you're getting at Circlet.

That's 45% on net, and only on direct-from-their-site sales; sales through third-party distributors are 35% on net instead -- on the recent Torquere contract I signed, anyway. I don't know if Michael has negotiated better terms.

There's potential to make more money with a paid-on-royalty model, but it depends entirely on how well a title sells, so it's a gamble -- take the guaranteed flat payment, or go with a royalty model that might do better (or might do a lot worse, since short story sales are generally lower than novella or novel sales)?

michael_b
02-20-2013, 01:30 AM
There's potential to make more money with a paid-on-royalty model, but it depends entirely on how well a title sells, so it's a gamble -- take the guaranteed flat payment, or go with a royalty model that might do better (or might do a lot worse, since short story sales are generally lower than novella or novel sales)?

For me it's not a gamble at all. I always make better money on single title sales than any anthology flat fee pays. YMMV but that's my experience. A $25 or even $50 flat fee isn't worth my time and I'm not looking for 'exposure' at this point.

MumblingSage
02-20-2013, 06:24 AM
That's 45% on net, and only on direct-from-their-site sales; sales through third-party distributors are 35% on net instead -- on the recent Torquere contract I signed, anyway. I don't know if Michael has negotiated better terms.

There's potential to make more money with a paid-on-royalty model, but it depends entirely on how well a title sells, so it's a gamble -- take the guaranteed flat payment, or go with a royalty model that might do better (or might do a lot worse, since short story sales are generally lower than novella or novel sales)?

What I like about Circlet anthos is they come in a pack of related stories, so there's the cross-promotion there. (Also I've heard...things...on Torquere and am waiting to hear better things before submitting there. It may just be a fluke or a dissatisfied author, but I'm being cautious at the moment).

Also, being published in a Circlet anthology is currently the only way to get in the door to land an ebook with them. And their single-author ebooks look pretty good, too. I don't know what their sales are like, but I've bought plenty of them.

EvolvingK
11-09-2014, 12:33 AM
Since this thread has been quiet for a while, I thought I'd post and say that my experiences with Circlet editors have been great. I've seen timelines around a few months from submission to acceptance, and around a year from acceptance to publication, so that doesn't make them much different from the other ebook anthologies I've submitted to. With the recent sale of Cleis, I might be watching Circlet's calls even more closely for a while.

NonieMaus
03-20-2015, 09:43 PM
Things have been very quiet on the Circlet Press website. The "upcoming" calls have been there for months with no additional information or sub dates. Anyone know what's going on?

CaoPaux
03-20-2016, 04:34 AM
Were those for 2014? FWIW, per recent comment there, the 2015 calls are likely to be replaced next month ....