Is this what the US wants (regarding public health care)

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On the face of it, it sounds good. You have a segment of the health service for the poor and the penniless, where everyone can go no matter of their life's circumstances.

Sounds good, doesn't it?

And you look at the debate in the US about public insurance. No one should be left behind. Right? No one should be left behind in the UK either, but as with every "social service", you get things like this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...l-hit-Stafford-Hospital-escape-scot-free.html

Scandal? Well, yes, but also an indication of a root problem in these kinds of systems. The patients cease to be the key focus. The focus moves to the ones that has the money, and public health care becomes more about ensuring appropriations than about caring for patients

After all, in social health care, the ones with the money (and who pay the wages) sit in town hall, or the council, or the state.

This happens in my country too. There wasn't too long ago that a woman who was suffering the effects of cancer treatments got her benefits cancelled. The reason? Since she went out to bingo on Fridays with her friends, she could work, and was not entitled to benefits.

And it WILL happen in the US once insurance becomes mandatory, and becomes decided by bureacrats.
 
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From the Article:An independent report commissioned by the Government found that patients were abused and neglected by hostile staff and were left in humiliating and undignified conditions. The impact on them was “unimaginable”, the report said.

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Attitudes of staff were at times “uncaring”. Managers were “in denial” about the problems and were concentrating on cutting costs and hitting targets to achieve foundation trust status, the report said.

There was said to be a culture of fear and bullying with staff concerned they would lose their jobs if targets were not hit.

The report followed an independent inquiry chaired by Robert Francis QC, a specialist in clinical negligence, who has acted in previous high-profile inquiries. It found that 18 of the 22 board members who ran the trust over the period under investigation had now left their roles, with none facing disciplinary action.

Many went on to senior, well-paid lucrative positions elsewhere in the NHS.

Damn. So the government looked into it but took no disciplinary action, it seems.

Max, is there a lot of public anger about this? Is the government planning to launch another investigation as to why these people weren't dealt with?
 

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I'm sure plenty of politicians and bureacrats will crowd around TV-cameras and radio-microphones to promise investigations, and to ensure that the gathered reporters spells their names right.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/h...targets-ahead-of-patients-reports-warned.html

The background to the Stafford Hospital scandal.

Outraged? I don't think the ones I know, most of which I think have private care, would ever even go to an NHS hospital. Everyone wants to keep the system though. I mean, where else would poor people get health care?

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The final document, Developing, Disseminating and Assessing Standards in the National Health Service, by Rand, said that there was a concern the the Department of Health was more interested in costs than clinical quality and that assessments of health care seemed to be motivated by political rather than health concerns.

From the second article, which illustrates the point I made in the first post. When you have a system similar to this, the interests of the organisation switches from patient care to institutional protection. The staff and leaders naturally look to the one with the purse strings. If the purse strings are not owned by the patients, then he patients suffer.
 
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Anybody can come up with a horrific anecdote about pretty much anything or any program. I think you have to look at these systems more actuarily: Are there French people who hate the French national health system? Sure. Would the majority of French people support throwing their national health system away in favor of a purely private enterprise system?

Don't hardly think so.

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