PDA

View Full Version : Whiskey advice, please



Perks
02-20-2010, 05:15 AM
So back in November, a family friend poured me a dram of Crown Royal Canadian Whiskey. It was very tasty and I liked it.

But it's pricey.

Since November, I've tried several other types of whiskey with varying degrees of disappointment. (For instance, I'm never going to be a fine single-malt scotch connoisseur because the whole time, I was pretty sure I was sipping corpse-juice tapped from a shallow grave at the base of a venerable old oak tree.)

Jim Beam is okay, but that's bourbon -- it's all getting terribly confusing. Is there anything bright and sweet like Crown Royal that's more for workaday tippling?

MaryMumsy
02-20-2010, 05:27 AM
Since I'm a 'heavy with a bite' whiskey drinker myself (Jack Daniel's), I can't offer a suggestion. But if they have Total Wine in your part of the country, the savings are awesome. A 1.75L bottle of Jack is $44 at the grocery. It is $28 or $29 at TW. Also Costco and, I would assume, Sam's Club. If you are in one of those states which require all alcohol to be purchased in state run stores, you are mostly screwed.

MM

KellyAssauer
02-20-2010, 05:34 AM
Crown Royal is a 'blended' type, such as Chivas, which is pretty smooth from what I remember. Don't give up on the single malts, some of them have a really lovely taste and texture (but all pricey).

But for the everyday? less expensive? and slightly sweet to the tongue? hmm. maybe a So-Co (Southern Comfort) with a little ice? That might do ya.

(Going back to my wine now =)

Cassiopeia
02-20-2010, 05:36 AM
I'm not sure what Southern Comfort is but I likes it. :)

alleycat
02-20-2010, 05:37 AM
Is there anything bright and sweet like Crown Royal that's more for workaday tippling?
Try an American whiskey such as Seagram's Seven. And by American whiskey, a mean the type of whiskey known as American, not just that's it's made in the US.

Cassiopeia
02-20-2010, 05:41 AM
Crown Royal is a 'blended' type, such as Chivas, which is pretty smooth from what I remember. Don't give up on the single malts, some of them have a really lovely taste and texture (but all pricey).

But for the everyday? less expensive? and slightly sweet to the tongue? hmm. maybe a So-Co (Southern Comfort) with a little ice? That might do ya.

(Going back to my wine now =)Heh, great minds! I love SoCoandCoke. Even diet coke if calories are the issue but man, it's sooooooooooooo good after hours.

kayleamay
02-20-2010, 05:42 AM
I like Crown and Makers Mark, but really it's a matter of personal preference.

I thought this was interesting: http://thespiritworld.net/2007/01/08/whiskey/

Medievalist
02-20-2010, 05:43 AM
Perks try Old Overholt Rye.

Seriously; try it over ice, and give it a minute or so on the ice before you sip it.

Crown Royal is a rye blend, so you might like American Rye.

Snowstorm
02-20-2010, 05:49 AM
Perks, Hubby is one of the best scotch connoisseurs in Wyoming (although he would hang his head and say "Aw shucks"). For an inexpensive whiskey, he recommended Canadian Club, a blend.

Are there scotch tastings where you are? You might be able to attend and sample various flavors with varying prices.

ETA: Hubby also recommended Old Overholt Rye also, like Medievalist, or Rittenhouse Rye.

Medievalist
02-20-2010, 06:00 AM
Rittenhouse Rye is my preferred Rye, but it's hard to find; they're just not making as much.

Jim Beam Yellow Label Rye just doesn't work for me, and it costs more than Rittenhouse or Old Overholt.

tiny
02-20-2010, 08:45 AM
Bush Mills, Red Breast. I have developed a taste for teh whiskey. In fact, I am enjoying a nip at the moment. :D

Perks
02-20-2010, 08:49 AM
Thanks guys! I knew you'd know.

Medievalist
02-20-2010, 08:50 AM
In the pricier ranges, and talkin' Irish now, Bushmills vs Jameson's is a religious issue.

Were I you, Perks, I'd go to a liquor store and pick up a few of the mini bottles. It's a great deal of fun to try something new that way, and you can rope in a friend and do taste tests to figure out what you might want to buy a bottle of.

And I favor Tullamore dew.

tiny
02-20-2010, 08:56 AM
Jameson's, that's the other one I was trying to remember, but the Red Breast is really good.

regdog
02-20-2010, 05:19 PM
Ask Haggis, he's the king of single-malts

Perks
02-20-2010, 06:55 PM
And I favor Tullamore dew.Ha! That whiskey figured in my first novel, because the guys parents were from near Tullamore.

Paul
02-20-2010, 07:01 PM
Ha! That whiskey figured in my first novel, because the guys parents were from near Tullamore.

Tullamore Dew is what we feed the tourists.

If it's a sweet easy to drink whiskey you want try Muilligan's
Easier to get is Canadian Club which is harmless.
The other mentioned are real whiskey's more or less and are not for workaday use. (unless your of a certain genetic background:D)

Wayne K
02-20-2010, 07:03 PM
Jaimesons or Bushmills. Anything else...No!

Perks
02-20-2010, 07:04 PM
The other mentioned are real whiskey's more or less and are not for workaday use. (unless your of a certain genetic background:D)

Lol! My poor muddled genetic background has left me with a reluctant liver. I very much enjoy a couple of drinks. Beyond that, my heritage punishes me. Ergo, I am careful.

Paul
02-20-2010, 07:09 PM
http://whisky.vangeest.nl/whiskies.php?sorting=rating

Actually this guy is pretty good. Not sure which Mulligan's he's referring to but understand his dislike (it's not really for real whiskey drinkers, but is sweet and harmless)

gerrydodge
02-20-2010, 07:10 PM
Wild Turkey is a fine bourbon whiskey!

Paul
02-20-2010, 07:14 PM
The sad truth Perks is that anything good you pay for. esp in the whiskey world...

MattW
02-20-2010, 07:17 PM
A bottle of Crown (and half of another) just about ruined Christmas one year. Good times.

Perks
02-20-2010, 07:19 PM
The sad truth Perks is that anything good you pay for. esp in the whiskey world...
I can believe that. I guess I wanted to get a feel for what category of whiskey might huddle around the Crown Royal so as not to pour good money after bad trying to find ones I like.

The variety is quite impressive.

I think I'm definitely going to try the Old Overholt and then perhaps a couple of minis on things like Canadian Club, Seagram's, and SoCo. It's a task, I know, to sample whiskies in the name of persnicket, but I'm just that noble.

Paul
02-20-2010, 09:01 PM
Ah, nobility.
A dying quality
:)

Seams
02-20-2010, 09:09 PM
I always liked Alberta Sipping Whiskey. probably because of the box, because I like Cuban rum better and Southern Comfort best of all

Medievalist
02-20-2010, 09:48 PM
Tullamore Dew is what we feed the tourists.

If it's a sweet easy to drink whiskey you want try Muilligan's

You'll almost never see Mulligans in the U.S.

If you do, grab it and run.

Midleton is even harder to find over here, but it's amazing.

Sassy3421
02-20-2010, 10:22 PM
I used to be a Crown Royal lady but I've switched over to Wisers (a little cheaper). The only other option would be drink Crown Royal but stretch it out and make it last longer....NAH! :roll:

Elias Graves
02-20-2010, 10:55 PM
I'm a bourbon lover myself. My favorites include:
Maker's Mark for mixing. Maker's Mark has a slightly different flavor than most bourbons as it is made with wheat instead of rye. Not terribly expensive and quite good.
For drinking with ice:
Booker's-strong with a pronounced character but quite good. Not for the fainthearted. 121 proof!
Baker's-Sweeter than many and a good introduction to nice bourbons
Woodford Reserve (my favorite)
Knob Creek-winner of many awards
Bulliet-uses more rye than many and has a spicy taste. Good stuff.
Geoge T Stagg-140 proof, watch this stuff. Put it over plenty of ice and let it melt. Very good.

Bourbons have matured greatly over the last decade or so and some of the best gain recognition approaching that of good single malt scotches. The nice thing about learning bourbon is that, compared to scotch, it's more focused in flavor. Scotch whiskey can be all over the place in terms of flavor and one that you don't like can spoil you on all of them. Bourbons are more limited in flavor range so you know pretty soon if you like bourbon or not.

With scotch you almost have to have someone guide you through it. You might find one type of scotch you like, say Glenfiddich or McCallan's that you like or don't. A serious scotch drinker can then steer you toward or away from scotches that are similar.

Blended whiskeys (bourbon or otherwise) tend to be more consistent in flavor from one bottle to the next whereas single barrel or small batch whiskey can vary from bottle to bottle. If you find a good single barrel/small batch maker you trust, that's part of the fun. Every new bottle is a bit of an adventure in discovering how this one differs from the last. A good maker's single barrel will always be good, just different.

Don't overlook good tequilas either. It has a bad reputation, however, brands of 100% agave such as Patron or Don Julio are an incredible experience. 100% agave tequila has a terrific citrus flavor to it and is as smooth drinking as any good whiskey. Silver, or blanco is the youngest and will be clear. Resposado is aged for a bit and has an amber tint to it. Anejo is the most expensive and has been aged longer. The citrus overtones really come alive in the resposado varieties.

EG

writerterri
02-20-2010, 11:33 PM
Thanks guys! I knew you'd know.



Mmhmm, of course they'd know.



I'll start the AA bus...



:D

Elias Graves
02-20-2010, 11:41 PM
Hic. Thud.

EG

Ken
02-20-2010, 11:56 PM
... don't drink is my advice, particularly to any youngsters happening upon this thread. From the outside looking in drinking may seem cool, but take a closer look and you'll witness real ugly scenes: like women getting brutally beaten by their husbands or people dying in car crashes by the thousands each year as a result of drinking. I had the misfortune of bouncing in a bar for a few years and saw and heard about these casualties, directly. One can drink responsibly, of course, and needn't become addicted. But man it is like handling rattle snakes from what I've seen. So be careful if you must indulge. (That'll be my lecture for the week ;-)

Medievalist
02-21-2010, 12:06 AM
Don't overlook good tequilas either. It has a bad reputation, however, brands of 100% agave such as Patron or Don Julio are an incredible experience. 100% agave tequila has a terrific citrus flavor to it and is as smooth drinking as any good whiskey. Silver, or blanco is the youngest and will be clear. Resposado is aged for a bit and has an amber tint to it. Anejo is the most expensive and has been aged longer. The citrus overtones really come alive in the resposado varieties.

EG

There are a couple of restaurants in the L.A. area that feature a wide range of good tequila, and have knowledgeable staff. It can be interesting and not prohibitively expensive to try a "flight" of tequila featuring several tiny glasses to sample of various kinds of tequila.

Two of them in particular (El Cholo -- any of them -- and Casablanca in Venice) have occasionally featured classes on cooking with tequila and pairing food with tequila.

In the spring at some Mexican restaurants they feature agave wine, which while it's very low ABV (5% or less, like a session beer, roughly) have an enormous range of flavor.

Perks
02-21-2010, 02:50 AM
One can drink responsibly, of course, and needn't become addicted. But man it is like handling rattle snakes from what I've seen.

Feeling a bit dramatic are we? Most people can handle a little alcohol. Very few people can handle rattle snakes.

Shadow_Ferret
02-21-2010, 03:00 AM
George Dickel No. 12 Tennessee Whisky is a best buy.

For more information on the various whiskies and other alcohols, go to tastings.com (http://www.tastings.com/).

Paul
02-21-2010, 03:18 AM
Feeling a bit dramatic are we? Most people can handle a little alcohol. Very few people can handle rattle snakes.

I think Ken meant don't handle rattle snakes whilst drinking
unless yuo're Jack Palance of course...

course i'm drunk so i might have got it wrong

Perks
02-21-2010, 03:32 AM
I think Ken meant don't handle rattle snakes whilst drinking
If you handle rattle snakes whilst in a Pentacostal fervor, you don't need to drink. Trust me. I'm a Pentacostal preacher's daughter.

Paul
02-21-2010, 03:41 AM
If you handle rattle snakes whilst in a Pentacostal fervor, you don't need to drink. Trust me. I'm a Pentacostal preacher's daughter.

sounds transcendent...

Perks
02-21-2010, 03:47 AM
I'm sure it is and I'm even more sure I'll never know first hand. I'm a professional spectator and agnostic. Now pour me a drink.

MaryMumsy
02-21-2010, 05:30 AM
If you handle rattle snakes whilst in a Pentacostal fervor, you don't need to drink. Trust me. I'm a Pentacostal preacher's daughter.

Reminds me of a time many years ago we were at some friends' house. Somehow the topic of religion came up. The other guy said he had been raised Baptist. Then he qualified that they weren't 'snake-handling' Baptists. I laughed, I knew what he was talking about. My somewhat naive RC husband was totally confused. We had to explain the whole snake handling thing to him.

For informational purposes: today I was at Costco. Jack was $29, Crown was $34, and Knob Creek was $48. Those were all 1.75L bottles.

MM

Perks
03-21-2010, 02:21 AM
So far, I've like Jameson's the best. Tried Wild Turkey Rye (can't get Old Overholt just here), Canadian Club, Southern Comfort, and I think that's it.

Jameson's is lovely.

And I guess it's not whiskey, but I found out I like Hennessey, too.

aadams73
03-21-2010, 02:27 AM
I can drink Southern Comfort until the cows come home. Of course, those cows might be imaginary after drinking that much...

Try it with orange juice, it's delicious.

Perks
03-21-2010, 02:30 AM
It's very sweet. I'll try it with oj.

I'm enjoying the whiskey because it's something I drink slowly. Preferably plain, over ice. Lots of interesting - god, this sounds pretentious - nuances to the various varieties. It's a fun new hobby for my tongue and my liver.

Medievalist
03-21-2010, 02:36 AM
Southern Comfort is not palatable to me; don't much like Wild Turkey. Jamesons, Tullamore Dew or Bushmills, are good. I want to try an Irish coffee comparison test with all three.

Perks if I see mini bottles of Old Overholt, I'm going to buy one and toss it your way. The peppery quality of Rye is an interesting taste. Good for cooking, too.

Perks
03-21-2010, 02:39 AM
Shit. If you send me some, then I will be beholden to send you a nip of my other find - ginger liquor. They say it's very good for marinating shrimp, but it's really good with a smoosh of mint and all over ice.

brainstorm77
03-21-2010, 02:42 AM
... don't drink is my advice, particularly to any youngsters happening upon this thread. From the outside looking in drinking may seem cool, but take a closer look and you'll witness real ugly scenes: like women getting brutally beaten by their husbands or people dying in car crashes by the thousands each year as a result of drinking. I had the misfortune of bouncing in a bar for a few years and saw and heard about these casualties, directly. One can drink responsibly, of course, and needn't become addicted. But man it is like handling rattle snakes from what I've seen. So be careful if you must indulge. (That'll be my lecture for the week ;-)

Not everyone becomes a raging alcoholic, mowing down people and beating their partners and kids.

I've only ever tasted RC and I liked it.

firedrake
03-21-2010, 02:44 AM
Jameson's, that's the other one I was trying to remember, but the Red Breast is really good.

Jamesons is my whiskey of choice. I loves my Irish Whiskey, yes I do.

My absolute favorite is 'Crested Ten', which is made by the same distillery as Jameson's, but I've only ever seen it in the Six Counties (Northern Ireland) or at a specialist whiskey shop.

I've been told (by an Irishman) that Paddy's Gold Label is even better than Jameson's :Wha:

I like my whiskey straight up, no water, no ice.

lucidzfl
03-21-2010, 02:44 AM
Tullamore Dew is what we feed the tourists.

If it's a sweet easy to drink whiskey you want try Muilligan's
Easier to get is Canadian Club which is harmless.
The other mentioned are real whiskey's more or less and are not for workaday use. (unless your of a certain genetic background:D)

Gimme feckin

Medievalist
03-21-2010, 02:47 AM
Jamesons is my whiskey of choice. I loves my Irish Whiskey, yes I do.

My absolute favorite is 'Crested Ten', which is made by the same distillery as Jameson's, but I've only ever seen it in the Six Counties (Northern Ireland) or at a specialist whiskey shop.

I've been told (by an Irishman) that Paddy's Gold Label is even better than Jameson's :Wha:

The really lovely stuff is almost never exported. I look forward to Celtic conferences, wherein my European colleagues have a few bottles they'll share with those of us who are less fortunate.

Scotch is also popular, and while I keep trying various single malts, none have yet really appealed. I will note that eighty years of cask aging is rather miraculous, but that's not the sort of thing you sip as much as worship.

lucidzfl
03-21-2010, 02:51 AM
The really lovely stuff is almost never exported. I look forward to Celtic conferences, wherein my European colleagues have a few bottles they'll share with those of us who are less fortunate.

Scotch is also popular, and while I keep trying various single malts, none have yet really appealed. I will note that eighty years of cask aging is rather miraculous, but that's not the sort of thing you sip as much as worship.

As a person with more money than sense, I've done my damndest to appreciate scotch. I'm talking 100$ a glass in vegas type of stuff. Nothing impresses me like a good, smooth bourbon.

The stuff that ends up aging in cognac casks, after being fermented is incredible though.

Give me a classic cask whiskey (impossible to find now) or a Cask 16 Crown Royal (only $100 a bottle) and I'm in heaven.

firedrake
03-21-2010, 02:57 AM
The really lovely stuff is almost never exported. I look forward to Celtic conferences, wherein my European colleagues have a few bottles they'll share with those of us who are less fortunate.

Scotch is also popular, and while I keep trying various single malts, none have yet really appealed. I will note that eighty years of cask aging is rather miraculous, but that's not the sort of thing you sip as much as worship.

*sniffs* I know. I wept with joy when I found out I could buy Jameson's here. I did look online, but the prices are a little insane.

I've never been able to warm to Scotch. I think I like Jameson's because it's smooth and almost liqueur-like in texture, the way it clings to the sides of the glass.

Adam
03-21-2010, 03:28 AM
Glenmorangie used to produce a single malt that was stored in casks previously used for burgundy. That was the best scotch I've ever drank; smooth as silk and smelt like heaven. When they stopped making it, a little part of me died. ;)

Now I go for the regular 10 year Glenmorangie, which isn't as good, but still bloody awesome. :)

It's neither bright, nor sweet though, so this post wasn't really that helpful... Oh wait! This is one to avoid. There. :D

Perks
05-05-2010, 10:50 PM
Just discovered Michael Collins Irish whiskey last night. I thought the hokey name might be a negative indicator.

So. Not. True.

Deeeelicious.

Also, Johnnie Walker Red is the Vegemite of whiskeys. Foul.

KTC
05-05-2010, 10:51 PM
So back in November, a family friend poured me a dram of Crown Royal Canadian Whiskey. It was very tasty and I liked it.

But it's pricey.

Since November, I've tried several other types of whiskey with varying degrees of disappointment. (For instance, I'm never going to be a fine single-malt scotch connoisseur because the whole time, I was pretty sure I was sipping corpse-juice tapped from a shallow grave at the base of a venerable old oak tree.)

Jim Beam is okay, but that's bourbon -- it's all getting terribly confusing. Is there anything bright and sweet like Crown Royal that's more for workaday tippling?


Crown Royal expensive? Not here, it isn't. I have a 40ozer of it in the cupboard over my stove. Want some?

Medievalist
05-05-2010, 10:53 PM
Just discovered Michael Collins Irish whiskey last night. I thought the hokey name might be a negative indicator.

So. Not. True.

Deeeelicious..

I've been watching for a new-to-me Irish Paddy's Old Irish Whiskey from http://www.paddy.ie/.

Perks
05-05-2010, 11:35 PM
Crown Royal expensive? Not here, it isn't. I have a 40ozer of it in the cupboard over my stove. Want some?Yep. I'll be right over.

We're find that we have a preference for Irish whiskeys - specifically Michael Collins, Jameson, and Tullamore Dew - and Canadian Blends like Crown Royal and Seagrams 7.

3:30 is too early for a whiskey, right? All this talking about it is giving me a craving.

Medievalist
05-05-2010, 11:37 PM
[QUOTE=Perks;4926695

3:30 is too early for a whiskey, right? All this talking about it is giving me a craving.[/QUOTE]

This is what Irish Coffee is for.

Perks
05-05-2010, 11:38 PM
I also like the Wild Turkey, Rare Breed, but I was pretty much alone in that one.

It kinda punches you in the face with every sip, but once the sting wears off, the taste is wonderful.

Perks
05-05-2010, 11:39 PM
This is what Irish Coffee is for.We've had our differences, but I'm starting to think we'll get along just fine.

Preacher'sWife
05-05-2010, 11:47 PM
I likes me Irish Mist! (sweet and mellow--makes my knees turn to jello)

milly
05-05-2010, 11:48 PM
Jameson and Woodford all the way :)

MaryMumsy
05-06-2010, 12:25 AM
Also, Johnnie Walker Red is the Vegemite of whiskeys. Foul.

A few years ago we went to a couple of tastings put on by Johnnie Walker. Per them: red is not intended to be taken straight. It is blended to be mixed with whatever you like to mix with: club soda, soft drinks, or....

My favorite was the Gold. Not as expensive as the Blue, but I liked it better.

MM

Perks
05-06-2010, 12:30 AM
Interesting. I didn't know that. It tasted like what you might pour from a well-used ashtray left on the deck after a rainstorm.

It would take a little high-fructose corn syrup to let me choke that down again.

I've had terrible luck with scotch.

Perks
06-01-2010, 06:53 AM
Blech. My husband bought an experimental bottle. Something called 'Kilbeggans'. Sadly, all that the syllables of the name can conjure up, this is what it tastes like.

The kindest thing I can say is that it has the aroma of melted babydolls.

Shadow_Ferret
07-07-2010, 05:52 PM
I didn't want to start my own thread, so I posted this question in The Drunk Thread. Unfortunately, no one goes in there unless they're drunk, so I've had no responses so far. Therefore, I'm posting it here, with apologies to Perks.

Saturday we're going to the Chicago Hard Rock. Everything is paid for. And I do mean, everything. I'm looking at their scotch list. Anyone have any suggestions on which I should get wasted on?

Scotch & Single Malt
Auchentoshan 10 yr
Balvenine 12 Doublewood
Benriach 10 yr
Dalmore 12 yr
Glenmorangie LaSanta
Glenmorangie Nectar D'or
Glenmorangie Quinta Ruban
Glenrothes 12 yr
Lagavulin 16 yr
Oban 14
Laphroaig 10 yr

cray
07-07-2010, 06:08 PM
Lagavulin 16 yr
Laphroaig 10 yr

both very fine choices.

Shadow_Ferret
07-07-2010, 06:30 PM
Thanks, Cray. :)

Priene
07-07-2010, 07:08 PM
Lagavulin is gorgeous. Tastes a little like a bonfire.

Shadow_Ferret
07-07-2010, 07:10 PM
A bonfire? Why is that a good taste?

Priene
07-07-2010, 07:42 PM
A bonfire? Why is that a good taste?

Try it and you'll find out.





(Or you'll hate it. It could go either way, to be honest.)

MaryMumsy
07-08-2010, 02:33 AM
Lagavulin 16 yr
Laphroaig 10 yr

both very fine choices.

Those would be my suggestions also.

MM

Perks
03-05-2012, 12:38 AM
So after two years of sampling, I am back - as a public service - to tell you what common-ish whiskeys are really tasty.

Brace yourself:

Bourbon - this has turned out to be my favorite category of whiskey. My favorites? Four Roses Small Batch, Buffalo Trace, Booker's Small Batch (but you have to drink it fast; it gets very sharp after it's been open for a while), Eagle Rare, and Woodford Reserve. (My guilty pleasure is Wild Turkey Rare Breed. It feels like you've been punched in the nose at first, but then it's very tasty)

Rye - is a second favorite category and a new discovery last night is what made me think to come back and update this thread. Wild Turkey Straight Rye is delicious. I can't seem to get many other varieties of Rye around here.

Scotch - what I've learned in two years? If Scotch isn't expensive, it tastes a little like rubbing alcohol that's been sitting in an ashtray with half a pack of Marlboro butts and a slobbery Macanudo.

Irish - Michael Collins, hands down. Tastier than Jameson's and a little bit less expensive as well

Canadian - I really like the whole spectrum of Crown Royal (if I hit a particular milestone with my book stuff, I'm going to buy a bottle of Cask No. 16)

So, there you go. Have a party. Tell your liver that Perks sends her best regards.

Medievalist
03-05-2012, 12:40 AM
]
Rye - is a second favorite category and a new discovery last night is what made me think to come back and update this thread. Wild Turkey Straight Rye is delicious. I can't seem to get many other varieties of Rye around here.

The standby here is Old Overholt, though I'm very fond of Rittenhouse Rye, it's hard to find.