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Hedgetrimmer
11-17-2009, 04:09 PM
Sarah Palin's book is being released today. I heard on CNN this morning that it's already a bestseller. How can that be? Not a single book has been sold yet, and no one knows how many people will actually buy the book. Are the numbers simply based on store orders?

CACTUSWENDY
11-17-2009, 04:19 PM
Besides the PR...maybe the pre-orders were a lot. I think they are also looking at the amount of folks that really like her and will be buying her book.

At least that is my take on this.

willietheshakes
11-17-2009, 06:38 PM
It's #1 on Amazon at this writing - ergo, a bestseller.

Phaeal
11-17-2009, 06:43 PM
Pre-orders.

*sternly squelches commentary on the sad state of the world and wanders off into the desert, sackcloth and ashes in place*

MGraybosch
11-17-2009, 08:47 PM
Sarah Palin's book is being released today. I heard on CNN this morning that it's already a bestseller. How can that be? Not a single book has been sold yet, and no one knows how many people will actually buy the book. Are the numbers simply based on store orders?

My guess is a combination of store orders and retail pre-orders.

MGraybosch
11-17-2009, 08:49 PM
Besides the PR...maybe the pre-orders were a lot. I think they are also looking at the amount of folks that really like her and will be buying her book.

Personally, I had hoped that she'd expose some really nasty dirt about how the GOP really operates behind the scenes, but it looks like it's going to be a propaganda piece designed to promote her as a potential candidate in 2012.

Elaine Margarett
11-17-2009, 09:10 PM
Personally, I had hoped that she'd expose some really nasty dirt about how the GOP really operates behind the scenes, but it looks like it's going to be a propaganda piece designed to promote her as a potential candidate in 2012.

Surely, you aren't surprised. <g>

EM

Judg
11-17-2009, 09:28 PM
Sarah Palin's book is being released today. I heard on CNN this morning that it's already a bestseller. How can that be? Not a single book has been sold yet, and no one knows how many people will actually buy the book. Are the numbers simply based on store orders?
Pre-orders. Lots and lots and lots of books have been sold already. Pre-orders are often sold at a lower price too, so it's a good idea to order ahead of time when you're interested in a book. Go to your favourite bookseller's site, search for your favourite author, and if they've got a book coming out in the next few months, chances are you can order it now.

And that's how books can be bestsellers before they are even released.

Snowstorm
11-17-2009, 10:21 PM
Personally, I had hoped that she'd expose some really nasty dirt about how the GOP really operates behind the scenes, but it looks like it's going to be a propaganda piece designed to promote her as a potential candidate in 2012.

Anything to make her look good and excuse away her own shortcomings is my bet.

thread derail: I watched her interview yesterday with Oprah: at first I was impressed until the whining started about the GOP operatives (and the BS about the Couric interview and quitting her governorship) and my opinion of her tanked. All of this is in her book. /thread derail.

Phaeal
11-17-2009, 11:03 PM
The best part of the Oprah interview was the oopsie about how Levi's going all into this "porn thing" now. I think I'll preorder that Playgirl issue now.

colealpaugh
11-17-2009, 11:09 PM
Anything to make her look good and excuse away her own shortcomings is my bet.

thread derail: I watched her interview yesterday with Oprah: at first I was impressed until the whining started about the GOP operatives (and the BS about the Couric interview and quitting her governorship) and my opinion of her tanked. All of this is in her book. /thread derail.

Without spending a buck, hit up Amazon's first pages of The Audacity of Hope and compare them to the first pages of Going Rogue. Palin's ghost writer absolutely killed Obama's ghost writer.

Halibut tacos? Reindeer sausage?

Or were you discussing your politics?

colealpaugh
11-17-2009, 11:11 PM
The best part of the Oprah interview was the oopsie about how Levi's going all into this "porn thing" now. I think I'll preorder that Playgirl issue now.

I believe they've nixed wiener pics.

Jamesaritchie
11-17-2009, 11:15 PM
Sarah Palin's book is being released today. I heard on CNN this morning that it's already a bestseller. How can that be? Not a single book has been sold yet, and no one knows how many people will actually buy the book. Are the numbers simply based on store orders?

They're based on pre-releae orgers. This is extremely common, and many novels today debut somewhere in the top ten on the NYT list.

I ordered the book the moment it was allowed.

Snowstorm
11-17-2009, 11:35 PM
Without spending a buck, hit up Amazon's first pages of The Audacity of Hope and compare them to the first pages of Going Rogue. Palin's ghost writer absolutely killed Obama's ghost writer.


Nice recommendation. I did compare.

Now my stomach is nauseous about how Palin bragged--at length--about her daughter being the Alaska's Right to Life poster girl. To me, the segment made no sense and something about that segment made me feel icky. And the quote about how surprised someone was that she attends every state fair :rolleyes:

Obama's first pages may have been a bit boring, but I felt they were honest, and not grandstanding like Palin's. I'll take boring honesty any day.

MGraybosch
11-17-2009, 11:40 PM
Now my stomach is nauseous about how Palin bragged--at length--about her daughter being the Alaska's Right to Life poster girl

I'd rather see Bristol as living proof that abstinence-only sex ed is bogus, and that inflicting it on teenagers is tantamount to child abuse.

colealpaugh
11-17-2009, 11:47 PM
I'll take boring honesty any day.


I think the thread is about book sales, not politics. But if you want boring, I'd vote for Biden's first sentence:


Joe Impedimenta.


Goose bumps, or what? I bet at least one editor pushed for Call me Joe Impedimenta.

Hedgetrimmer
11-18-2009, 02:10 AM
I sure hope some of that profit finds its way back to more deserving writers.

Jamesaritchie
11-18-2009, 02:16 AM
I sure hope some of that profit finds its way back to more deserving writers.


There's no such thing as a deserving or non-deserving writer. There are only book that reader buy or don't buy. Beyond this, nothing else matters.

And abstinence-only isn't child abuse, it's morality. Some teens make mistakes, but despite the silliness in the media, millions of teens follow this advice, never get pregnant, never get an STD, and live very happy lives.

And, of course, those who don't follow it aren't ignorant. Anyone past the age of nine knows how to prevert pregnancy. It's the height of stupidity to think they don't, or even to believe for a second that Bristol may not have been using birth control.

There's only one foolproof method for not getting pregnant, and that's to not have sex.

Hedgetrimmer
11-18-2009, 02:39 AM
There's no such thing as a deserving or non-deserving writer. There are only book that reader buy or don't buy. Beyond this, nothing else matters. Maybe not to publishers or readers, but from a personal viewpoint, I think there is. As far I'm concerned, a writer who spends 20 years perfecting her craft, going through the submission process and paying her dues with hundreds of rejection letters is more deserving of a contract than someone who simply wakes up one morning and says, "I'm gonna write a book." And then doesn't even write the book herself. But, like I said, that's just the subjective writer in me talking. I realize much of the public has no idea how much time and devotion career writers put into their work.

mscelina
11-18-2009, 02:53 AM
We're talking about a totally different beastie here. This isn't a work of fiction (or, at least, not marketed as such); this is a book by and about a public figure establishing the persona she wants the public to perceive as hers. There's no 'deserving' involved. There is a public demand, obviously, for information about Sarah Palin, ostensibly from Sarah Palin. There's a built-in market; she's meeting the demand. *shrug* Overall, this book has very little or nothing to do with writing per se and everything to do with political expediency and an overall publicity plan.

colealpaugh
11-18-2009, 03:01 AM
Maybe not to publishers or readers, but from a personal viewpoint, I think there is. As far I'm concerned, a writer who spends 20 years perfecting her craft, going through the submission process and paying her dues with hundreds of rejection letters is more deserving of a contract than someone who simply wakes up one morning and says, "I'm gonna write a book." And then doesn't even write the book herself. But, like I said, that's just the subjective writer in me talking. I realize much of the public has no idea how much time and devotion career writers put into their work.

It's just the way it has worked for years and years. Do Buzz Aldrin, Hilary and Bill Clinton, and Eric Clapton also evoke the same distaste? I'm not upset that Obama doesn't write his own speeches...they seem pretty compelling anyway.

Auto-bios are non-fiction, an entirely different world than where novelists live. All the power to technical writers, ghost writers, and how-to-it people, I say.

MGraybosch
11-18-2009, 03:07 AM
Do Buzz Aldrin, Hilary and Bill Clinton, and Eric Clapton also evoke the same distaste?

Buzz Aldrin and Eric Clapton? Not to me. Aldrin walked on the friggin' moon; if he wants to hire a ghostwriter and put out a book, more power to him. Clapton paid his dues as a musician.

Paul
11-18-2009, 03:19 AM
*sternly squelches commentary on the sad state of the world and wanders off into the desert, sackcloth and ashes in place*

That's one approach. Tempting one i'd have to say.
But don't the desert /sackcloth/ashes type usually come back out of the desert and start upsetting the applecart?
Here's hoping...

colealpaugh
11-18-2009, 03:23 AM
Buzz Aldrin and Eric Clapton? Not to me. Aldrin walked on the friggin' moon; if he wants to hire a ghostwriter and put out a book, more power to him. Clapton paid his dues as a musician.

So it's cool if you like them and sucks if you don't. That's fair. Opinions are opinions. Palin has inspired millions of people with a message some people either don't understand or just think is absurd.

MGraybosch
11-18-2009, 03:28 AM
So it's cool if you like them and sucks if you don't. That's fair. Opinions are opinions.

Opinions are like anuses. We all got one, and most of 'em stink. :)


Palin has inspired millions of people with a message some people either don't understand or just think is absurd.

If I thought her message was merely absurd or nonsensical, I wouldn't care about Sarah Palin. But that's an argument for a different thread.

poetinahat
11-18-2009, 03:30 AM
Halibut tacos? Reindeer sausage?
LOVE halibut tacos. Ate a great number of them at a restaurant in Sitka. Highly recommend them! (Not sure I'd order them any farther away from the sea, but.)

colealpaugh
11-18-2009, 03:31 AM
Opinions are like anuses. We all got one, and most of 'em stink. :)



If I thought her message was merely absurd or nonsensical, I wouldn't care about Sarah Palin. But that's an argument for a different thread.

Just as many people say that about Obama. The Secret Service is busy as can be. Crazy world.

MGraybosch
11-18-2009, 03:34 AM
Just as many people say that about Obama. The Secret Service is busy as can be. Crazy world.

Yeah, I don't trust Obama either. Unfortunately, Ron Paul didn't have a snowball's chance in hell.

Hedgetrimmer
11-18-2009, 03:35 AM
Oh, I understand the basis of it all. But that still doesn't change my feelings, no matter how I regard Palin or any other public figure. I just hope the earned monies afford other writers--lesser known or totally unkown--a chance to have their voices heard rather than pumping the profits back into top-tier authors who've already established an audience.

JeanneTGC
11-18-2009, 03:48 AM
Oh, I understand the basis of it all. But that still doesn't change my feelings, no matter how I regard Palin or any other public figure. I just hope the earned monies afford other writers--lesser known or totally unkown--a chance to have their voices heard rather than pumping the profits back into top-tier authors who've already established an audience.
Without these "big" books, other books would not get bought. And that's not my personal opinion, it's from NY editors I've talked to and spent time with. Every "big" book that causes tons of pre-orders and gets money pumping into the publishing industry creates the opportunity for editors to take a chance on a new author, a "little" book, or a mid-list author's next novel. If they have a successful "big" book, or a book that turns big much to their joy and surprise, then that means they can buy X number of little, risky, or just average-expectations books. This is good for all of us.

Instead of bemoaning how this works, be happy there are still people excited about reading books, and get yours polished, out there, and, hopefully, bought. (And I mean the general, everyone 'You', not just the poster.)

Hedgetrimmer
11-18-2009, 04:05 AM
Instead of bemoaning how this works, be happy there are still people excited about reading books, and get yours polished, out there, and, hopefully, bought. (And I mean the general, everyone 'You', not just the poster.) Who's bemoaning? I've already acknowledged that I hope the book turns a nice profit because I realize just how much this does help other writers. But just how much of that money will go into acquiring debut writers, or giving more marketing to midlist writers, rather than shelling out higher advances for a select group already sitting at the top? Call it what you want.

IceCreamEmpress
11-18-2009, 04:37 AM
Celebrity books have been around as long as books. They're never going away as long as people are interested in celebrities.

And the good news is that they're their own separate bailiwick, more or less. It's not like people at publishing houses say "Shall I acquire this celebrity book, or this other book by an actual writer?"