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LateNightLady
11-13-2009, 07:48 AM
http://livingwordliterary.wordpress.com/

Has anyone had any dealings with this agency?

M.R.J. Le Blanc
11-13-2009, 08:15 AM
They seem okay to me. The agent there seems to have some pretty solid experience, and Harvest House Publishers where she worked looks to be a legit Christian publishing house.

LateNightLady
11-13-2009, 08:56 AM
Well, they have my partial so I hope everything goes well - any clients out there?

LateNightLady
11-20-2009, 09:26 AM
Well I was offered representation and I know she is actively building her client list for those interested in sending her a query.

honeysock
11-20-2009, 05:15 PM
Well, congratulations Lady! An offer on a partial?! And will you accept?

LateNightLady
11-20-2009, 09:08 PM
Totally accepted. It was odd to me at first but she says she based it off style and grammar usage and what not. Not going to look a gift horse in the mouth, I tell you what.

Richard White
11-20-2009, 09:24 PM
This agency has a number of authors, but no links to their books.

That's odd to me.

Why not promote the authors' works?

LateNightLady
11-20-2009, 09:28 PM
They are very new, I cannot find anything about them either. I believe the clients might be from a previous agency. I am holding out until I see the contract to know for sure.

Calla Lily
11-21-2009, 12:32 AM
I've been debating about chiming in all day, and finally decided that I should.

I see you write fic. You do know that for fic it's highly unusual for an agent to offer on anything but a full? I see that she has experience, and I know the Christian market differs a bit from the mainstream market, but.

She likes your style and grammar (:Hail: from this former English teacher for good grammar :)) but how will she know that you can write a novel to a successful conclusion if she hasn't read the entire book? I'm not saying this about your book, per se--I'm saying it about the agent's knowledge and qualifications. I was royally burned by an inexperienced agent a couple of years back. Verifiable sales and contacts in the market you're writing for are essential. Does this agent have those?

Sorry to cloud over the day, but been there, done that, trashed the t-shirt, if you know what I mean. I don't want anyone to go through what I went through.

honeysock
11-21-2009, 12:58 AM
Well, LNLady, after having already congratulated you, I'm going to second Callalilly's advice. It doesn't appear that Kimberly has sold any books for the authors listed on her website. (Granted, I only scanned very quickly, then Googled some of them.) Of course that doesn't mean she won't have future sales but . . . how long are you willing to wait to find out if that's going to be a "when" or an "if" ?

I have a partial and a full out with agents that I did not thoroughly research before querying. Me and my darn lack of patience. I think they both have good intentions, they're trying hard, but . . . no sales. I made the decision this morning that this weekend I am going to email them and tell them my manuscript is no longer available to them. (Yes, I am the queen of procrastination when it comes to tasks like that!) Fortunately I have material out to some well-established agents as well.

Just thought I'd throw in my $.02 worth.

LateNightLady
11-21-2009, 04:15 AM
I contacted some of her clients and so far am getting very good responses. I found her style odd as well. She wants the first couple chapters, the ending chapter, outline and synopsis.

Well, I know all agents are different. I am still going to go with it and see where the rides ends.

firedrake
11-21-2009, 06:14 AM
I'd echo Lily's advice.

It seems very odd to back a horse if you've only seen it's teeth.

just my two cents worth.

I hope it works for you but, all those writers and no sales sets off little alarm bells for me.

Judg
11-21-2009, 07:50 AM
Kimberly who? I couldn't find a last name.

Not that it is going to matter to me personally. I write the wrong genre for her. But still, it's bizarre not to include a last name in this kind of context. I hope it was just an oversight.

LateNightLady
11-21-2009, 10:17 AM
Kimberly Shumate - I found her here:
http://www.guidetoliteraryagents.com/blog/CategoryView,category,NewAgencyAlerts.aspx

http://stuartmarket.blogspot.com/2009/06/new-christian-literary-agency.html

I would say she seems legit, only a bit lacking on websites.

Judg
11-21-2009, 06:03 PM
She certainly has a good background for a new agent.

LateNightLady
12-01-2009, 02:18 AM
Bumping this to the top just to remind people out there that Ms. Shumate is actively building her client list and is open to queries.

http://livingwordliterary.wordpress.com/

entropic island
12-01-2009, 02:40 AM
Do most agents use WordPress?

triceretops
12-01-2009, 02:51 AM
Okay, just got an offer here, which depends upon my willingness to clean up the manuscript a bit for the Christian market (It's a female-centric thriller). Which is kind of refreshing actually. Taking out the "fu..king JC's" and God-dms is quite all right with me. I'll also be on the lookout for gratuitous or hardcore sex, which I'm sure is lacking in the pages anyway

Now, it bothers me slightly that Kim's new. I just let an agent go that had an abysmal track record after five years--about four fiction sales for 29 clients. Stunningly bad. And I do believe only two of those sales were to a major.

I'm really going to have a discussion with her about SF and Fantasy, since they are my strong suit. Not to say that I can't continue on with mainstream and thrillers, but I do have some talent in world-building.

She does have loads of experience for a starter. I like that. It really comes out in her correspondence. I'll ask some questions. But I'm assuming she will first target the large Christian publishers, including her own old outfit

We'll see. I still have a ton of fulls and partials out there. But this has been a very nice contact so far. Nice ego stroke, knowing that someone fell head over heels for my voice.

Tri

waylander
12-01-2009, 03:38 AM
Congratulations on the offer. Well deserved I'm sure.

Nya RAyne
12-01-2009, 06:26 AM
Dumb question, but I'm going to ask anyway. So she doesn't want sex in the book?

Mia Moore
12-01-2009, 06:40 AM
Dumb question, but I'm going to ask anyway. So she doesn't want sex in the book?


I queried her, too, not realizing she's a Christian agent. She requested a partial. Mine's YA with the expected teenaged sexual activity. Not sure she's going to want to read much more!

As a footnote, she's been lovely to correspond with and her background in publishing does seem impressive.

Best to all who proceed with her!

Nya RAyne
12-01-2009, 06:48 AM
I think I'll give her a try with the expectation that she may reject me on the sex alone. On another note, I totally understand what hardcore sex is but what the heck is gratutious sex?

Cyia
12-01-2009, 06:50 AM
Sex for no reason other than filling pages. It's not included as a means to progress the story or characterization, and it may not really fit the characters, but the sex is added because the writer assumes people read sex and only for that reason.

honeysock
12-01-2009, 07:19 AM
Triceretops, nice! I hope this one works out. Been there (at the former agent place), done that (and with a new agent etc.). Keep us posted on your status; good luck.

triceretops
12-01-2009, 08:42 AM
Thanks Waylander and honeysock.

No, no, no. I don't mean she doesn't want sex. In fact, she told me that it takes a lot to offend her. I do know she doesn't cotton to taking the Lord's name in vain, and that sets just fine with me. I'm guity of that in my manuscript.

Yes, gratuitous sex is page filler, having nothing to do with the plot. Now, I've never met a self-proclaimed Christian agent before, but I would think that XXX erotica might not go over so well, only because of the publications she has in mind to submit to.

She also says she works very hard and thoroughly on rewrites before she lets anything out.

I'm just cruisin' on this one. I'm in no hurry for anybody right now. Just got off a bad stint. I do admit to wanting a female agent this time around, since I'm writing more about women's issues, and changing my whole MC base/structure. I also think the gals are much more precise, picky and observant.

tri

Judg
12-02-2009, 03:15 AM
Okay, just got an offer here, which depends upon my willingness to clean up the manuscript a bit for the Christian market (It's a female-centric thriller). Which is kind of refreshing actually. Taking out the "fu..king JC's" and God-dms is quite all right with me. I'll also be on the lookout for gratuitous or hardcore sex, which I'm sure is lacking in the pages anyway

Now, it bothers me slightly that Kim's new. I just let an agent go that had an abysmal track record after five years--about four fiction sales for 29 clients. Stunningly bad. And I do believe only two of those sales were to a major.

I'm really going to have a discussion with her about SF and Fantasy, since they are my strong suit. Not to say that I can't continue on with mainstream and thrillers, but I do have some talent in world-building.

She does have loads of experience for a starter. I like that. It really comes out in her correspondence. I'll ask some questions. But I'm assuming she will first target the large Christian publishers, including her own old outfit

We'll see. I still have a ton of fulls and partials out there. But this has been a very nice contact so far. Nice ego stroke, knowing that someone fell head over heels for my voice.

Tri
Congratulations! I'll be looking forward to further news.

IceCreamEmpress
12-03-2009, 03:42 AM
Okay, just got an offer here, which depends upon my willingness to clean up the manuscript a bit for the Christian market (It's a female-centric thriller). Which is kind of refreshing actually. Taking out the "fu..king JC's" and God-dms is quite all right with me. I'll also be on the lookout for gratuitous or hardcore sex, which I'm sure is lacking in the pages anyway

Take a look at some of the CBA-focused publishers' guidelines, because there are likely to be things you haven't thought of (no card-playing, for instance, at some of the publishers, and there's at least one who doesn't want dancing).

LateNightLady
12-03-2009, 08:33 AM
Really? How strange, I wonder why.

Stlight
12-03-2009, 10:14 AM
I was told as a child by one relative that card playing lead to gambling. sin.

Dancing meant that men and women, who were not married and were not engaged were touching each other. Temptation leading to sin

IceCreamEmpress
12-04-2009, 03:39 AM
Different denominations caution their congregants against card-playing, dancing, and/or drinking--many CBA-facing publishers want to reach the broadest range possible of readers who self-identify as Christian, including members of those denominations.

Mia Moore
12-11-2009, 06:32 AM
After a few semi-strange e-mails with this agent, it was a mutual pass. Although she seems polite, the correspondence ran very hot and cold. I don't think she was the right fit for my manuscript to begin with. Lesson? Fully research the agency prior to the query.
On the plus side, I got a request for a full from an agent I'd queried and written off back in early September. So hope still floats. And just when I was ready to quit for the hundreth time now!

triceretops
12-11-2009, 06:48 AM
Same here. She seemed a bit rushed with me. When I told her that I had other agents considering me, she seemed happy, but very T-ied off, and chose to pass, withdrawing her offer. I didn't mean to offend her at all, but she brought up the "no multiple submissions" rule that appears on her website. I didn't see that and must have glossed over it. Just be careful here--she's offering contracts on partials and I'm wondering how any editor/publisher can fully evaluate a book without reading the entire manuscript. It's obvious she can spot talent, but a book CAN fall completely to pieces mid-line or at the end.

Tri

Mia Moore
12-11-2009, 04:59 PM
Same here. She seemed a bit rushed with me. When I told her that I had other agents considering me, she seemed happy, but very T-ied off, and chose to pass, withdrawing her offer. I didn't mean to offend her at all, but she brought up the "no multiple submissions" rule that appears on her website. I didn't see that and must have glossed over it. Just be careful here--she's offering contracts on partials and I'm wondering how any editor/publisher can fully evaluate a book without reading the entire manuscript. It's obvious she can spot talent, but a book CAN fall completely to pieces mid-line or at the end.

Tri

Re - the "no multiple submissions rule"...IMHO any agent worth her salt would presume that most writers with a freshly finished manuscript in hand will be riding the query-go-round until they get dizzy.
I agree with the offers on partials, too. This sent little alarm bells off for me, yet I ignored them.
I think, Tri, that there was no great loss here on the offer withdrawl. Best to you with the other agent.

Judg
12-11-2009, 08:17 PM
I will never again accept a contract from an agent who hasn't read the full. Been there, done that, got thoroughly burned.

LateNightLady
12-12-2009, 04:56 AM
Believe it or not- there are quite a few agents that require exclusive submissions. With Kimberly being an editor for 12 years, I am pretty sure she knows what she's doing.

Stacia Kane
12-12-2009, 06:34 AM
I've never heard of an agent who /requires/ exclusives, unless you mean agents who ask for the exclusive when they request a full. In which case just putting a note on your website isn't enough; you need to state, when you request the full ms, that you're asking for an exclusive and for a specific time period, and it has to be agreed to by the writer. My agent wanted an exclusive on the full but read it anyway when I said I couldn't give him one.

Most don't ask anymore, though. It's nowhere near as common as it used to be. I had seven fulls out when my agent requested it and he was the only one who asked for an exclusive, and it was only for a week.

CaoPaux
02-05-2011, 08:59 AM
A recent guest article on GtLA: http://www.guidetoliteraryagents.com/blog/Agent+Kimberly+Shumate+On+How+To+Create+A+Professi onal+Submission.aspx

LateNightLady
07-01-2011, 03:11 AM
Sending out an update: Signed with Ms. Shumate in 2009 and after a year, I ended the contract. In the end, it bothered me that she never read the entire MS nor edited it. In fact, she suggest I get it edited elsewhere.

Lesson learned (which i was warned about on this site). Wrote a new book - not querying her again.

Aside from that, she is very polite and professional. The split was not due to anything other than my desire for a more in depth agent.

David Poellot
02-27-2012, 07:13 AM
Bumping this up looking for an update. I am getting ready to query her. I have had zero interest in my latest work, so if she shows great interest off a partial, I want to be cautious. LateNightLady's last post worried me at the part where she mentioned getting it edited elsewhere.

Any updates are appreciated. Not having any interest so far, I would be very excited to get an offer, but if the behavior I read in the previous posts is still going on, I may want to tone down my excitement.

Theo81
02-27-2012, 05:44 PM
Bumping this up looking for an update. I am getting ready to query her. I have had zero interest in my latest work, so if she shows great interest off a partial, I want to be cautious. LateNightLady's last post worried me at the part where she mentioned getting it edited elsewhere.

Any updates are appreciated. Not having any interest so far, I would be very excited to get an offer, but if the behavior I read in the previous posts is still going on, I may want to tone down my excitement.


It's always worth toning down the excitement. As Uncle Jim reminds us, the only thing worse than not being published is being badly published.

Are the stats in your sig accurate? If so, you are a long way from worrying yet, but even so, run your query past the squirrels, run your opening through SYW. There are folks here who've sent out 250 queries before getting an agent/publisher.

CaoPaux
02-08-2017, 12:47 AM
Closed agency May '16 to go into editing full time.