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Gretad08
10-12-2009, 07:05 PM
Does anyone have any experience with alternative treatments for Cancer?

I'd like to know methods, types and stages of cancer and outcomes...just your own experience in general.

Thanks in advance!

GeorgeK
10-12-2009, 11:49 PM
As an MD I can say that should patients consider this they should discuss it with and probably coordinate it with a board certified MD or DO of whatever specialty is appropriate for the type of malignancy involved. Ultimately the choice is the patient's. I've had a few patients refuse standard treatment options and went to herbalists and accupressurists against my advice and that of their primary care physicians. Not a single one of the patients did well. Most were at best in the category of expected outcomes consistent with benign neglect. (Alternative Rx didn't make them any better or worse and advancement of the disease was probably accountable by time wasted) In one case there was a gentleman with what was by staging criteria organ confined prostate cancer, most likely curable with surgery. He was unwilling to accept the risk (typically less than 30% for his situation) of impotence, despite that there were treatment options for that should it be a problem. He went to a herbalist and refused to tell me what he was put on or whom he saw because he wanted to flaunt the medical establishment and prove that alternative RX was superior. I told him that there were risks associated with herbal medicines just like traditional medicines. He said something to the effect of "Ah, you doctors in your ivory towers don't know squat!" and stormed out. Finally 6 months later his wife called and asked if she could bring him in, because something wasn't right. "I said sure, but we'll fax a Rx to the lab and have him get tumor markers and comparrison labs ahead of time so we'll already have them at the time of the visit in a couple days, or I could see him in the ER that day if they preferred. I heard him in teh background, "I'm Not going to the ER!"

His exam and labs in the office a couple days later were consistent with wide spread bone metasteses and probable pathologic fractures in the spine. (subsequent X-Rays confimed all of it) He finally told me what he'd been given, DHEA. DHEA is a precursor to testosterone. If you put a guy with prostate cancer on testosterone it will most of the time speed up the cancer.

archetypewriting
10-13-2009, 08:45 AM
I don't have a lot of detail for you, but there's some fascinating research on the power of visualization in dealing with cancer. Here's a little info: http://www.cancerhelp.org.uk/help/default.asp?page=256

And a book you might be able to find at your library (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080506916X?ie=UTF8&tag=archetyppsych-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=080506916X).

Tsu Dho Nimh
10-14-2009, 04:54 AM
Does anyone have any experience with alternative treatments for Cancer?

I'd like to know methods, types and stages of cancer and outcomes...just your own experience in general.
Thanks in advance!

In short, they don't work against real cancer. Look for the "Gonzales regimen" for pancreatic cancer:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=92

Here's the clinical trials info
http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00003851?term=(NCCAM)+ (http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT00003851?term=%28NCCAM%29+)[SPONSOR]+(pancreatic+enzyme+therapy)+[TREATMENT]&rank=1

Here's the outcome:
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=298
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/09/the_gonzalez_protocol_worse_than_useless.php

At 1 year, 56% of chemotherapy-group patients were alive, and 16% of enzyme-therapy patients were alive.

Smiling Ted
10-14-2009, 06:44 AM
There's a long, ghastly history of quacks, including herbalists, taking advantage of people with cancer. Google "laetrile" and see what you find.

Wayne K
10-14-2009, 06:47 AM
There's a long ghastly history of doctors doing the same, sadly enough.

ETA: I don't mean to infer that doctors are bad people, buut that bad people become doctors to prey on people. It's like anything else.