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shawkins
09-12-2009, 07:44 AM
I'm fairly sure that my new puppy is the antichrist.

About 3 mos. ago I took my aging (16+) lab to the vet on Saturday morning. I hadn't had my coffee yet. The vet, who I know and like, mentioned that she had a puppy available for adoption. "Sure," I thought. "Why not? I've got four dogs already. What's one more?" The new puppy came home with me.

I did not adequately recall what a new puppy is capable of. The tally thus far:

1. $1500 worth of A/V equipment. (Urine and chewing)
2. 1 pair of glasses. (Admittedly somewhat scratched and in need of replacement)
3. $4000+ in vet bills. The new puppy noticed that the old lab's pills smelled like treats. The new puppy pulled the bottle of pills off the counter and split it with the weimeraner stray. I found the empty bottle. Unable to determine which of my darlings had partaken of the forbidden fruit, I paid the emergency vet for all 5 of them to be de-toxed. (Admittedly, this was my fault. I should have foreseen this and put the pills in a safety deposit box at a bank. Nonetheless, I remain irritated.)
4. One loveseat. It was getting a bit old, but still.
5. 83 books. Possibly still readable once they dry out, but stinky. The number is accurate. I counted before I made this post.
6. Another pair of glasses (about 1h ago). Evidently the first pair was quite tasty so he went back for seconds.

I will not pretend that this is anything other than a naked and shameless plea for encouragement. Please tell me that I am a good person because I have thus far restrained the urge to kill New Puppy.

Thank you in advance for any support you might care to offer.




http://www.absolutewrite.com/3_6_8_old_forums/images/srh/StirFry3-512.jpg
Figure 1: Weapons Grade Evil

Cranky
09-12-2009, 07:46 AM
You're a saint for putting up with that, actually.

Does that help? No? Here, have a cookie and a :Hug2:, then. :)

LittleFlowerLei
09-12-2009, 07:48 AM
I'm fairly sure that my new puppy is the antichrist.

About 3 mos. ago I took my aging (16+) lab to the vet on Saturday morning. I hadn't had my coffee yet. The vet, who I know and like, mentioned that she had a puppy available for adoption. "Sure," I thought. "Why not? I've got four dogs already. What's one more?" The new puppy came home with me.

I did not adequately recall what a new puppy is capable of. The tally thus far:

1. $1500 worth of A/V equipment. (Urine and chewing)
2. 1 pair of glasses. (Admittedly somewhat scratched and in need of replacement)
3. $4000+ in vet bills. The new puppy noticed that the old lab's pills smelled like treats. The new puppy pulled the bottle of pills off the counter and split it with the weimeraner stray. I found the empty bottle. Unable to determine which of my darlings had partaken of the forbidden fruit, I paid the emergency vet for all 5 of them to be de-toxed. (Admittedly, this was my fault. I should have foreseen this and put the pills in a safety deposit box at a bank. Nonetheless, I remain irritated.)
4. One loveseat. It was getting a bit old, but still.
5. 83 books. Possibly still readable once they dry out, but stinky. The number is accurate. I counted before I made this post.
6. Another pair of glasses (about 1h ago). Evidently the first pair was quite tasty so he went back for seconds.

I will not pretend that this is anything other than a naked and shameless plea for encouragement. Please tell me that I am a good person because I have thus far restrained the urge to kill New Puppy.

Thank you in advance for any support you might care to offer.





http://www.absolutewrite.com/3_6_8_old_forums/images/srh/StirFry3-512.jpg


xD Trust me dude, I feel your pain. although mine is more of the feline voriaty (Chases me up and down the stairs, tries to make me fall down the stairs, hides under the coffee table and attacks my legs when I walk by (and its even worse when I'm wearing my shorts) and is pretty much hitler Reincarnate) so no, you're not a bad person for wanting to kill the new puppy. Hellz, I wanted to throw my cat out on the street and say "THERE! SEE WHO WILL FEED YOUR ASS NOW!" but I remember all the times when he's a sweetie pie and its impossible to hate him.

cute doggie pic btw. A little bigger breed than I'd prefer, but still cute :3

chocowrites
09-12-2009, 07:49 AM
Yikes. You have a real trouble-maker on your hands. But he/she is cute, at least. Adawrable.

And I thought my dog peeing on the carpet once a week was bad.

Encouragement:
You are a very good person. And you will some day be rewarded. And I don't think this can go on forever. And maybe this will provide inspiration for your next great literary work. Hey, it paid of for the guy who wrote Marley and Me :)

Rolling Thunder
09-12-2009, 07:56 AM
Looks suspiciously like...Haggis.

MacAllister
09-12-2009, 07:58 AM
Oh dear. Puppies are difficult. Consider yourself commiserated with. o.0

shawkins
09-12-2009, 08:01 AM
I would type a sincere thank you to all for the support & encouragement, but New Puppy has eaten my keyboard.

rugcat
09-12-2009, 08:02 AM
No sympathy whatsoever.

We had three dogs. We fostered a fourth, who turned out to have a seizure disorder and behavioral problems. (Read, liked to bite people. She originally lived on the streeet with a homeless woman who was a substance abuser encouraged her to be aggressive toward strangers)

Not surprisingly, we couldn't find a home for her and ended up with four dogs. Three dogs, four dogs, what does it matter? And guess what -- three dogs is a breeze compared to four dogs. And five dogs? Are you insane?

Not to mention if you have four dogs, then you already knew (or should have) that puppies are ten times more difficult than grown dogs. Puppies are satanic creatures, ejected from the nether regions because they are too difficult and the devil couldn't handle the stress.

BTW, you no longer have "dogs." You have a pack.

PS -- one year after getting our problem dog she's now well behaved, a real sweetie, and although she'll always be somewhat damaged, has lost all her aggressive behaviors. (Except for skateboarders, and I understand that)

But yeah, I do actually feel for you, I admit.

Cassiopeia
09-12-2009, 08:08 AM
Please see KTC for tips on how to train a dog.

Trust me, I'm giving you the best advice EVER.

dgrintalis
09-12-2009, 08:09 AM
First, your furbaby is adorable. :D

I have a five and a half month old puppy and no longer have two pairs of flip-flops, one pair of sunglasses, and my favorite pair of heels that I wear to and from work have several puppy-teeth indentations. Not to mention the countless rolls of toilet paper, paper towels, napkins, junk mail (well, I wasn't sorry to see that chewed up), and several cat toys. We have tons of stuff for him to chew on, but he prefers to find his own 'toys'. I am lucky in that my boy, Kane, is incredibly smart and well-behaved in everything else.

You have my sympathies.

Neurotic
09-12-2009, 08:14 AM
Sit it down and tell it you believe neutering is a valid form of punishment for a dog. If that doesn't work, neuter it. Because you can't have the dogs thinking you won't follow through on your threats.

Of course if it's already neutered there's really no place worse to go for it, so it may as well keep peeing on your stuff. You know, from the puppy's perspective.

*would make a great puppy*

shawkins
09-12-2009, 08:14 AM
Please see KTC for tips on how to train a dog.

Roger wilco, and tnx.

KTC? What do you do about evil?

chocowrites
09-12-2009, 08:23 AM
Or watch the Dog Whisperer, that helps a lot too :)

P.H.Delarran
09-12-2009, 08:25 AM
thank you so much for this post. I was considering adopting a little Chocolate Lab that had been dumped. you saved me the headache.;)
sorry about all the damage.

shawkins
09-12-2009, 08:29 AM
Or watch the Dog Whisperer, that helps a lot too :)

Actually--and this is sort of funny, true story--about a month ago I went to Best Buy & picked up Dog Whisperer season 1. NEW PUPPY ATE IT. Not kidding.

shawkins
09-12-2009, 08:31 AM
thank you so much for this post. I was considering adopting a little Chocolate Lab that had been dumped. you saved me the headache.;)
sorry about all the damage.

Awww. No. In all seriousness, I think New Puppy is a generally positive event in my life. He's a good little dude. I'd adopt him again, I just needed to vent.

dgrintalis
09-12-2009, 08:32 AM
So what is new Puppy's name, other than Destructo Dog? ;)

dgrintalis
09-12-2009, 08:32 AM
Actually--and this is sort of funny, true story--about a month ago I went to Best Buy & picked up Dog Whisperer season 1. NEW PUPPY ATE IT. Not kidding.

:ROFL:

Susie
09-12-2009, 08:37 AM
You deserve :2angel: wings, so here they are too. Very cute puppy. Bet he'll be good soon. :) Hope so, anyway.

shawkins
09-12-2009, 08:46 AM
So what is new Puppy's name, other than Destructo Dog? ;)

He answers to GODDAMNIT, STOP CHEWING ON THAT!!! Another option is "Stir Fry". (He was found outside a Korean restaurant, and I'm not in the best of moods.) But the vet tech who nursed him from the age of 2d called him Rafiki, and that will probably stick.

Cassiopeia
09-12-2009, 08:51 AM
He answers to GODDAMNIT, STOP CHEWING ON THAT!!! Another option is "Stir Fry". (He was found outside a Korean restaurant, and I'm not in the best of moods.) But the vet tech who nursed him from the age of 2d called him Rafiki, and that will probably stick.I'm sorry. But I just have to say,

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH!

dgrintalis
09-12-2009, 09:13 AM
He answers to GODDAMNIT, STOP CHEWING ON THAT!!! Another option is "Stir Fry". (He was found outside a Korean restaurant, and I'm not in the best of moods.) But the vet tech who nursed him from the age of 2d called him Rafiki, and that will probably stick.

Awwww...Rafiki. How cute! kane is named after a movie character as well, although Alien is a far cry from a Disney movie.

bettielee
09-12-2009, 09:21 AM
There is nothing you can do about the evil. I know. I live with a four footed feline made of teh evil. Just continue to hate yourself, and find a urine-free corner to huddle in. You've got about 2 more years of this. Live with the hope that it won't be three.

Sorry. You seem like such a nice mod.

MaryMumsy
09-12-2009, 09:50 AM
He answers to GODDAMNIT, STOP CHEWING ON THAT!!! Another option is "Stir Fry". (He was found outside a Korean restaurant, and I'm not in the best of moods.) But the vet tech who nursed him from the age of 2d called him Rafiki, and that will probably stick.

I think Stir Fry is a good option. Our first cat thought his name was 'no bites' because we said that to him so many times.

In Dec '69 my Dad (who was getting ready to leave for a tour in Viet Nam) gifted us with a three month old beagle puppy. The sum total of the stuff she devoured would take an hour to type out. By the time he got back, she was all trained, so he missed all the good stuff. But we all survived, and they had that dog till she was 14 and a half.

MM

trocadero
09-12-2009, 12:40 PM
You have to wonder whether your 'friend' the vet knew about your puppy's shortcomings. Why did Rafiki become available for adoption in the first place?

In any case, the vet might be able to offer some ideas - about toilet training as well as general behavior. All I can think of is to run him ragged outside as often as possible. Do you have a yard? Can you keep him outside? 83 books...

He is beautiful, by the way. And you are very patient. St Francis of Assisi would be proud of you:)

Ellefire
09-12-2009, 02:01 PM
You have my sympathies, after several years of no dogs, and me saying "No! Never again!" Someone offered us a year-old Rottweiler/ Alsatian. And for some reason I can't fathom, I said yes.
I asked the previous owner if the dog was good with kids, good with other dogs, housetrained and would walk on a leash. The answers came back positive in all cases. The previous owner is a lying cow. One of those was correct.

She loves the kids, she's friendly and affectionate. That's good.
But she's not housetrained, she's not good with other dogs (being raised with one seemed to make her previous owner think she was) and it was obvious the first time I walked her that a leash wasn't something she was very familiar with. Fortunately, she's okay with the cats.

A year later and she'll walk better on a leash but she still pees in the house if we're not careful, but she's the most loving dog you could wish for.

regdog
09-12-2009, 02:51 PM
Looks suspiciously like...Haggis.

Nah, too tall


He answers to GODDAMNIT, STOP CHEWING ON THAT!!!
:ROFL:


Another option is "Stir Fry"

That gets my vote.

You have my sympathies. We have a house full of rescues and I know your pain as well, as your extensive collection of bills :D

Just keep saying you love him, you don't want to strangle him. Either you'll convince yourself of that, or your mind will go and then you won't care

slcboston
09-12-2009, 07:16 PM
I have no sympathy for you. You should have got a cat. :ROFL:

*awaits inevitable firestorm* :D



... in all seriousness, I like dogs, and kittens are just as much hassle in their own way. All I can say is, a trained dog is a happy dog.

Of course, with a dog, you can also accomplish happiness by letting them roll in the garbage, but training results in less stench on your sofa. :D

Angie
09-12-2009, 08:01 PM
Labs are very orally-fixated dogs. It's the retriever in them. Get him LOTS of chew toys, and keep changing them out so there's always something "new". And give him tons of exercise. Teach him to retrieve - labs need something to do or they get bored, and destruction happens.

Good luck - and here's hoping your house survives. ;)

vixey
09-12-2009, 08:29 PM
I've had 3 golden retrievers. *sigh* Now I have none. :(

Raf does seem to be in need of a little, uh, discouragement. You know that, of course. ;)

After we got our 3rd darling, I typed a Classified Ad that started with "Free to a good home...". I came this close to hitting send.

I'm sure you're a great puppy parent. (So far, looks like he's cheaper than a kid. :D)

kayleamay
09-12-2009, 08:35 PM
You have my sympathy. You also have my thanks, because after reading this, I am absolutely NOT getting my children a dog. I simply could not handle this. I would end up with a dog skin rug in front of the fireplace. You must be either a saint or martyr (or maybe both.) Good luck with the puppy training!

TerzaRima
09-12-2009, 10:34 PM
I agree. Long walks, lots of Frisbee, take him to the dog park.


And five dogs? Are you insane?


I dunno...sounds cool.

ThePaperGypsy
09-12-2009, 11:21 PM
Sympathies from me headed your way.
I have a dog exactly like "Stir-Fry." (that's cute btw :tongue) Except, he's only 6 pounds. His name is Prince Thorian (Thor). In fact, right now he is destroying a pair of my underwear. For someone that is his favourite . . . umm . . . "treat."
I can only imagine what a lab would do. :e2thud:
Good luck!

brainstorm77
09-12-2009, 11:25 PM
xD Trust me dude, I feel your pain. although mine is more of the feline voriaty (Chases me up and down the stairs, tries to make me fall down the stairs, hides under the coffee table and attacks my legs when I walk by (and its even worse when I'm wearing my shorts) and is pretty much hitler Reincarnate) so no, you're not a bad person for wanting to kill the new puppy. Hellz, I wanted to throw my cat out on the street and say "THERE! SEE WHO WILL FEED YOUR ASS NOW!" but I remember all the times when he's a sweetie pie and its impossible to hate him.

cute doggie pic btw. A little bigger breed than I'd prefer, but still cute :3

:roll:

tiny
09-13-2009, 03:56 AM
Sorry, I cannot offer sympathy as I was convinced like a fool that my love would train and take total care of the border Collie puppy he wanted. Her name is Madeline and she's killing me one chewed up dug up ripped up shed upon moment at a time.

Silver King
09-13-2009, 04:25 AM
All you have to do is NEVER take your eyes off the pup for the first year or so, use positive reinforcement (no spankings and such) when he misbehaves, and keep the beast crated when you're not home or asleep.

It's similar to raising children, only the dog will eventually listen to what you say and won't ever ask for the car keys.

:)

Ambrosia
09-13-2009, 04:36 AM
All you have to do is NEVER take your eyes off the pup for the first year or so, use positive reinforcement (no spankings and such) when he misbehaves, and keep the beast crated when you're not home or asleep.

It's similar to raising children, only the dog will eventually listen to what you say and won't ever ask for the car keys.

:)That, and if you crate your kids Child Protective will be called. ;)

Silver King
09-13-2009, 04:52 AM
That, and if you crate your kids Child Protective will be called. ;)
That's true, but only up to a certain age. My kids were all prisoners of the crate we call Play Pens until they were almost old enough to climb out. Then I kept them on a short leash, but never out in public. :D

aadams73
09-13-2009, 06:10 AM
Then I kept them on a short leash, but never out in public. :D

My mother had to keep a harness on me when I was little, otherwise I'd go 'sploring. She lost me a number of times in shopping malls when I wandered off to look at something more interesting.

Silver King
09-13-2009, 06:56 AM
My mother had to keep a harness on me when I was little, otherwise I'd go 'sploring. She lost me a number of times in shopping malls when I wandered off to look at something more interesting.
I don't see those types of child-restraints in use much these days. They used to be quite popular. Now kids are simply left to roam until the next Amber Alert.

shawkins
09-13-2009, 07:01 AM
Thanks all for the support! I'm better now. The glasses thing last night just put me over the edge temporarily.


Sorry, I cannot offer sympathy as I was convinced like a fool that my love would train and take total care of the border Collie puppy he wanted. Her name is Madeline and she's killing me one chewed up dug up ripped up shed upon moment at a time.

Aren't border collies supposed to be like extra super smart? <shudder> At least Stir Fry is kinda dumb. It gives me a slight edge.


All you have to do is NEVER take your eyes off the pup for the first year or so, use positive reinforcement (no spankings and such) when he misbehaves, and keep the beast crated when you're not home or asleep.

I'd hate to do the crate thing. I have a fenced in backyard & a doggie door. Theoretically he can go outside and burn off energy. In practice he plays in the house and only goes out in search of squishy things to lay in my shoes.

Also, the other day one of my neighbors called me at the office to say that she'd found him playing in traffic.

cptwentworth
09-13-2009, 07:08 AM
We adopted a ten-month old puppy, looks like yours, just for our older dog to have some company. Adoption, shmoption. I feel your pain. Aside from the standard chewing fetish, he has also EATEN portions of our basement staircase. You have to skip certain steps to avoid splinters. And the holes in the yard are a good two feet deep.

You are a saint. And sometimes it's worth it in the end. But I'm still waiting.

Silver King
09-13-2009, 07:30 AM
...I'd hate to do the crate thing. I have a fenced in backyard & a doggie door...
It's more of a way to keep the dog penned when you're not around to keep an eye on him. And there's nothing cruel about crating him at all, as he will come to appreciate that area as his own space.

After a while, he can be let out as he assimilates to the rest of the family.

I guess in a way it sounds cruel, but in no way should an animal dictate how the rest of the family should react to its presence. Ever. He either gets with the program in some established time-frame that doesn't break the bank, or he's a goner.

tiny
09-13-2009, 07:53 AM
Aren't border collies supposed to be like extra super smart? <shudder> At least Stir Fry is kinda dumb. It gives me a slight edge.



Yes, she is. And she's willful as hell. Sad thing is, we got her to train her as a service dog for my SO. But he's so frustrated with her.... and I hate to say it, I really dislike her because of how she acts. I've never disliked a pet in my life, but this dog I really feel horrible over. She irritates me beyond belief and I probably wouldn't cry a tear if she disappeared other than feeling bad for Chris, who loves her.

I guess you do have my sympathy... I'm just bitter. :D

shawkins
09-17-2009, 04:47 AM
OK, I'm done fishing for sympathy (thanks again, glasses replaced, feel much better now) but I thought this was pretty funny. It was raining in the ATL yesterday. By way of apology for the glasses thing, Stir Fry redecorated the house.

He decided to focus on the earthy colors. :)



http://www.absolutewrite.com/3_6_8_old_forums/images/srh/StirFry_discovers_mud.jpg
Figure 2: Stir Fry discovers mud.

Williebee
09-17-2009, 04:54 AM
I keep thinking there has to be somebody you hate who needs a dog.

:)

shawkins
09-17-2009, 04:57 AM
I keep thinking there has to be somebody you hate who needs a dog.

:)

I don't hate anyone that much.

Haggis
09-17-2009, 05:05 AM
Yes, yes.

*rubs paws together*

Everything is coming together splendidly.

Bwahahaha.

cptwentworth
09-17-2009, 05:14 AM
You've just reminded me why I will never, ever again get a dog, puppy or not. My kids will have to do with a goldfish or a stuffed animal. Sometimes they live too long (the dog, not the kids). Luckily we have wood floors so mud is one of the easier substances to clean.

K. Taylor
09-17-2009, 05:18 AM
This is why we had small dogs, for 1, and 2, they lived outside. Inside time was only if they were calm and behaved. First year and half of my cocker's life, she had an excitable bladder, and she'd pee on the tile as soon as you let her in the kitchen. Happily wiggling the whole time.

My dad and step-mother plan everything around their labs and even bring them along when there's a family gathering at the grandparents' house. They bring the dogs to sleep in their bedrooms (when my siblings were both still home) every night. I house sat once, and it drove me nuts how much those adult dogs still had to be watched....and heaven forbid you broke their routine. One of them even climbed out of the roof of the dog pen and ended up scraped and bloody while I was gone for the day. It was made out of chain link fencing! ......But you couldn't just leave him in the yard cuz he'd hop the fence and go running all over the neighborhood.

Give me Beagles, Cocker Spaniels, or Shelties any day. Labs are way too high-maintenance.

C.bronco
09-17-2009, 05:57 AM
You could rename him "Nom Nom Nom!"

TerzaRima
09-17-2009, 06:57 AM
ZOMG Stir Fry is adorable. And who's that older (lab mix) amiably grinning away in the background? Also schmoozable.


Aren't border collies supposed to be like extra super smart? <shudder> At least Stir Fry is kinda dumb. It gives me a slight edge.

Here is where I sing the praises of the dumb dog. Get a basset hound. I'm not kidding.

Yes, she is. And she's willful as hell. [/QUOTE]

shawkins
09-17-2009, 08:16 AM
You've just reminded me why I will never, ever again get a dog, puppy or not.

Ah crap. This is backfiring. I truly just meant to share a couple of those cute little anecdotes that occasionally happen when you bring joy into your life by taking in a pooch. Really, honestly, on balance I'm glad to know the furry little bastard. It's just that every so often he gets a bit rambunctious.


Give me Beagles, Cocker Spaniels, or Shelties any day. Labs are way too high-maintenance.

Odd that you mention that. I've got a beagle. As it happens, there's a funny story about him as well. One day I came home from work and the house was COVERED in blood. I mean, Friday-the-13th kind of covered. I had four dogs at the time, and my first thought (really) was that I was now down to three. Maybe a fight or something? Then I heard this awful noise from the dining room, kind of like a foghorn yurking after too many shots of tequila. I took a second to man up and grab some paper towels, then I headed in.

At first I thought I was looking at some sort of special effect. It turned out to be Teh Beagle, except his parts were all twisted out in these bizarre angles. While I'm taking the sight in, he makes the foghorn noise again and both of his eads ends start erupting with...

...never mind.

Everybody go adopt a dog.


And who's that older (lab mix) amiably grinning away in the background? Also schmoozable.

That's Renren. She really is a big sweetie. Stir Fry chews on her 3-4 hours a day and she's always really cool about it.

Well, she used to be Renren. These days I mostly call her Puddles because--funny story--she has this condition where...

...never mind.

Everybody go adopt a dog!

regdog
09-17-2009, 02:35 PM
Yes, yes.

*rubs paws together*

Everything is coming together splendidly.

Bwahahaha.

And now we know. The evil dog overlord has struck again. Bad Haggis, no cookie for you

Parametric
09-17-2009, 02:51 PM
This thread is making me pine for my hypothetical future Cavalier puppy (http://www.verycutepuppies.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/cavalier-king-charles-spaniel-puppy.jpg). Pine. Piiiiiiine. :(

Ellefire
09-17-2009, 05:19 PM
A few days ago my eldest daughter (16) and the imbecile dog spent a good half an hour barking at each other. Seriously, sometimes I wonder what species got the brains...

Elaine Margarett
09-17-2009, 05:44 PM
Sorry for the lack of sympathy, but as a former dog breeder/trainer I have to say it's all your fault. <g>

IF you kow your dog is chewing distructively...remove the temptation or confine your puppy. Period.

IF you know your puppy is not housebroken, He shouldn't be allowed unsupervised access to your home. Yeah, it's a lot of trouble to supervise an untrained puppy, but as bad as he is now at 3 mos. he'll be ten times worse at twelve mos. while STILL being a puppy.

Complaining about a puppy's behavior while doing nothing about it is irresponsible. This is exactly the thing that happens over and over and people will either put up with the behavior (and be miserable) which only reinforces it, or they give the dog up.

The biggest concern I have with your puppy is the fact it was orphaned at such an early age. Mother dogs know how to discipline their puppies, and puppies learning how to submit is a vital lesson! I'd recommend a few books, HOW TO RAISE A PUPPY YOU CAN LIVE WITH by The Monks of NewSkete would be a good start. I'm also a big fan of Cesar Millan of the DOG WHISPERER.

As far as the Border Collie as a service dog... bad move I'm afraid. Borders are intense, high energy and very, very smart. They need to race around, burn off energy, herd things, ect. It's in their DNA. If you aren't an experienced dog trainer, they are more than most people can handle. Will the breeder take her back? No dog deserves to live where it's not liked. They can sense it and you'll never be sucessfull with the dog while that is the dynamic.

lucidzfl
09-17-2009, 05:48 PM
I have had two separate dogs eat two separate couches.

My second couch was et by a small dog, but admittedly it was only the one cushion.

My german shepard on other hand, holy god and holy shit.

She had a knack for demolishing the crates I put her in and eating her way out of the room she was in. So one particular day after she blew away a crate, I had to leave and get her a new one. I have a massive wrought iron and stone dining room table that weighs a hundred pounds or so and it was in the dining room (natch).

I chained her to it with a 5 foot leash and left. When I came back, she had dragged it all the way across the house to the living room where she had grabbed the edge of the FULL SIZE couch and pulled it over to her, and proceeded to eat, the ENTIRE COUCH. She shredded all the fabric of the front ,back and sides, and eviscerated the cushions, the pillows, everything. She had even started gnawing on the wood frame!!!

(She's 9 now and much more mellow lol)

Elaine Margarett
09-17-2009, 05:59 PM
I have had two separate dogs eat two separate couches.

My second couch was et by a small dog, but admittedly it was only the one cushion.

My german shepard on other hand, holy god and holy shit.

She had a knack for demolishing the crates I put her in and eating her way out of the room she was in. So one particular day after she blew away a crate, I had to leave and get her a new one. (She's 9 now and much more mellow lol)

No crate will hold a dog determined to get out. That's why you need to *train* the dog to accept confinement. An ounce of prevention and all that... <g>

Once your dog knows that if she perserves, she'll get out, you have a real problem on your hands.

I can sympathize though... I trained my dogs for search and rescue and part of that training is called penetration, meaning if they come upon an obstacle between them and their goal (human scent) they barrel through, whatever that takes. My *trained* German shepherds would open doors, go through windows, take apart door moldings... If I truly did not want my SAR dogs to get out of the house and follow me, I had to lock (as in padlock) them in a dog proof kennels.

And yeah, somewhere around nine years of age a German shepherd *starts* to mellow. LOL

lucidzfl
09-17-2009, 06:13 PM
No crate will hold a dog determined to get out. That's why you need to *train* the dog to accept confinement. An ounce of prevention and all that... <g>

Once your dog knows that if she perserves, she'll get out, you have a real problem on your hands.

I can sympathize though... I trained my dogs for search and rescue and part of that training is called penetration, meaning if they come upon an obstacle between them and their goal (human scent) they barrel through, whatever that takes. My *trained* German shepherds would open doors, go through windows, take apart door moldings... If I truly did not want my SAR dogs to get out of the house and follow me, I had to lock (as in padlock) them in a dog proof kennels.

And yeah, somewhere around nine years of age a German shepherd *starts* to mellow. LOL

Well whats funny is my basenji hated being crated too, but I bought a REALLY big crate and put them togethor about 6 or 7 years ago and they LOVED it, no banging or messing in the crate after that.

Regardless when I moved into my wife's house about 2 years ago, her parents said they'd take care of the dogs when we went out of town (a lot!) but they wouldn't care for dogs in crates.

So get this, we just bit the bullet and let the dogs stay out, and they've been great! (Of course they were 7 and 6 years old by this point)

The basenji sleeps on the couch all day and all night and the shepard sleeps on a blanket outside the bedroom door.

They're little angels now. GO figure.

Mela
09-17-2009, 06:16 PM
Have you ever read Doris Lessing's The Fifth Child? Everything in the house is fine ... until the fifth child comes along.
Sounds like this is what you're dealing with in dogs.

He's a cutie pie but trocadero brings up a point: maybe New Puppy was such a terror they couldn't wait to unload him.

Elaine Margarett
09-17-2009, 06:31 PM
Well whats funny is my basenji hated being crated too, but I bought a REALLY big crate and put them togethor about 6 or 7 years ago and they LOVED it, no banging or messing in the crate after that.

Regardless when I moved into my wife's house about 2 years ago, her parents said they'd take care of the dogs when we went out of town (a lot!) but they wouldn't care for dogs in crates.

So get this, we just bit the bullet and let the dogs stay out, and they've been great! (Of course they were 7 and 6 years old by this point)

The basenji sleeps on the couch all day and all night and the shepard sleeps on a blanket outside the bedroom door.

They're little angels now. GO figure.

No figuring at all, LOL. Crate training teaches dogs self-control. Puppies have none; it's in their nature. Their gums hurt; they chew. They have to pee; they pee. Most dogs who are crate trained as younsters can graduate out of the crate once they learn the rules of the household and have matured to where they don't need to chew or pee as much. Although many dogs like their crates; it's their haven and den.

Once a dog learns the pleasure of ripping up furniture (it's fun!) it's kinda hard to un-ring that bell. Better to prevent bad behavior than to deal with it once it becomes a pattern of behavior.

tjwriter
09-17-2009, 06:38 PM
It sounds like you are specializing in advanced needs animals, lol.

You just need to wear this puppy out and keep him with freshly rotated toys. Just like you do with kids.

tjwriter
09-17-2009, 06:41 PM
Although many dogs like their crates; it's their haven and den.

Our three dogs use their crates as the safe place from the kids. When they want to hide out, they head to the bedroom and hide in the crates. Works well for everyone.

Parametric
09-18-2009, 01:22 AM
Although many dogs like their crates; it's their haven and den.


Our three dogs use their crates as the safe place from the kids. When they want to hide out, they head to the bedroom and hide in the crates. Works well for everyone.

The idea of keeping a dog in a cage sounded cruel to me initially, but my parents' Cavalier loves her cage. Not feeling well - cage. Feeling pestered - cage. Bedtime - cage. She's as happy as a clam there.

C.bronco
09-20-2009, 04:35 AM
I once had a black lab named Ozzy. He was loveable, but didn't follow direction.

MGraybosch
09-20-2009, 05:26 AM
I will not pretend that this is anything other than a naked and shameless plea for encouragement. Please tell me that I am a good person because I have thus far restrained the urge to kill New Puppy.

Thank you in advance for any support you might care to offer.

I recommend that you filet the puppy, marinade it in a good Rogan Josh sauce, sautee the filets, and serve them over rice. New Puppy looks like good eatin'. :evil

LOG
09-20-2009, 08:55 AM
So...did you just not learn your lesson after the first 10 books get hit, or did he somehow find a way to nail all 83 at once? Both are difficult to believe...