French help... again

Des Amours Mortes, I believe. But I also don't know if that would have a different connotation in French, as things often do

Can I just say the Languedoc rocks, btw?!!

I think its relevant to ask whether it is the love that is dead, or the beloved that is dead?

Château des Amours Mortes, yes.
Beautiful name, by the way, and it would translate as Dead Loves, imho.

CdAM= the love (emotion) is dead, not the loved persons (who are known as aimees or cherites--and I haven't placed the diacriticals as my keyboard commands don't work here))

Given that your chateau is named for dead beloved people, the CdAM title is not correct.But it is lovely.

Le château des Morts Aime

(direct translation, francophone Quebecer here)

On another note: http://translation2.paralink.com/

Great little translator.

I believe you need to specify whether the lover is male or female.

Doug Johnson said:

I believe you need to specify whether the lover is male or female.

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Not when it comes to things or places. Only when it comes to possession or persons.

I've been, and it's all wonderful. Drink the local wine, look at the architecture, talk to the old men, and pet the cats at the cafes That's kind of my general advice for France, I think!

Oooo, and always buy the pastries [try the millefeuilles (sp?)] Have a great time!

TabithaTodd said:

Not when it comes to things or places. Only when it comes to possession or persons.

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I'm assuming the deceased had sex with the chateau's owner, not the chateau. Anyway, that's one reason I like the English language; the noun is the same do matter who it had sex with.

Just asked my French blokey and he said it's a hard one in French. The best he could come up with is:

le chateau des morts aimés

...but he pointed out that it's not clear whether they were once loved or if they've loved now.

...and he also pointed out it sounds a little wierd — but poetic — in French!

I'm more of a specialist on French pastries. Try a torsade (chocolate chips and custard twisted in with pastry) if you like pastries. For extra-creamy goodness, try a Tropezianne (sp?) - they're delicious. Well, everything is great anyway!

Spot on - they're from St Tropez. Tropezienne, I think. Clearly, I'll have to head down to my local boulangerie and buy one just so I can see how it's spelt...

Then again, I love the SCA name for Des Moines, IA

Couer d' Ennui

(Heart of Boredom)

Ruth2 said:

backslashbaby: Have you been? If so, what'd you like best there? We're going next month-- gonna eat, drink and be merry!

Sarpedon: Good question. "Castle of the Dead Beloveds". Or "beloved Dead". Anyway, the beloved who are dead, and not the love itself. Although having the love itself dead is appealing ..

Thanks y'all!

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"...des Amours Mortes" would be correct because amour has the bizarre feature of being masculine in the singular, but feminine in the plural. However, that does mean "dead loves" in the sense that the love is dead. In English "dead loves" might be a synonym for "beloved dead," but not so much in French.

So to give it the meaning you intend, you would need to call it something like "Chateau des Morts Bien-Aimes" (accent aigu on the final e), but that really sounds weird. Tabitha's suggestion ("Le château des Morts Aime") would be correct if aime had an accent aigu on the final e and an s on the end, and it's not bad; it's better than bien-aime, despite what your French-English dictionary may tell you when you look up "beloved."

Oh, but here's another option: Chateau des Morts Adores (again, accent aigu on the final e). That means "chateau of the dead who were adored." That version sounds way, way better in French than Chateau des Morts Bien-Aimes, partly because of the sonority (morts adores works very well), and partly because of the vocabulary: beloved usually is translated as bien-aime, but bien-aime is too tepid a word to modify death--you need something more passionate or intense, or else the name just sounds off kilter and unnatural. So go with Chateau des Morts Adores, or if you're not looking for a passionate-sounding name--if you're thinking of more tender love rather than passionate love--then go with Chateau des Morts Aimes.

Ruth2 said:

I was thinking of people. Lots of dead people there who were beloved. Still are.

Thanks all!

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Unless the people were all women (in which case it would be Mortes Adorees or Morts Aimees), you'd use the masculine plural: Morts Adores/Aimes.