A Question of Morality

desertbob

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Hi,

So I have a bit of an ethical conundrum and I was hoping to hear some other opinions to help clarify my thinking.

Is it morally wrong to spend time at work working on a personal writing project?
I know this is not what I am being paid by my company to do... but if I still get done what I need to do and spend a few hours writing during the writing day, is this unethical?

Some background to put it in context (if you're a believer in situational morality)
I don't really enjoy my job, but I'm not confident enough to try and make a living from writing -- also I've only just found out how much I enjoy it!
I'm well paid (relative to my peers) and apparently have good prospects for advancement... i just dont know if this is really going to make me happy.

I'd appreciate any input.
 

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Tricky one....if morally and ethically you are not hurting anyone, I don't see it as morally wrong...your boss might think of it as time wasting, and I think anyone who has access to a computer at work has played at times when they shouldn't have, especially if they are a writer...it is very hard to egnore the white space on word and the potential to put words on it and work on that WIP.

I can't answer your question, but maybe think about how your boss would feel. Jobs are growing scares in this time and age, and unless employed to play on the Internet, or type up your manuscripts, I would look at my motives for wanting to be employed with that particular company.

My reason for being employed by my employer was I was not confident enough as a writer to not be employed, and that industry was the closest thing or the only other thing that interested me apart from writing, and no matter how hard I tried to get away from writing fiction I couldn't but spent 16 tears writing computer programs that processd data, words....this did give me some type of satisfaction, that I could sit and still type...even if it was a different language.

Not everybody can do this though...but you do need to live, until you write that bestseller.

If someone is paying you to work, I personally think you should work at making that company to be more profitable...I think when employed unless offsite, you are working with other members of a team, and even then....maybe some of them need help getting something completed, and maybe they don't.

I spent sixteen years sitting in front of a computer while employed and the Internet was always available to me...I actually loved that job, but had to keep writing. My love was always writing, and I stayed employed because I needed the money to live. I worked until I had no work left, and no one had any to give me, then I played....naughty me, but I also increased my companies profit margin, so didn't feel quite so guilty the majority of time. I was quick, so I made sure we all got everything done, and when they went and had lunch at the pub, I stayed back and played with words.

I use to spend any free moment I had typing up my manuscripts, my lunch hour, the five minutes my boss was out off the office when I had nothing else to do, which was rare. I stayed back late so I could used their brilliant laser printers to print out my hard work that I had typed at home and in their time.

Final word, my high paid employement never made me truely happy, but it did allow me to live, and supported my writing addiction. In my own defence, I never really thought it was ethical or morally wrong to spend so much time doing what I was not paid to do, and I doubt it would be that easy to do in todays work environment as it was for me, but I never felt terribly guilty because I worked 12 hours a day and more sometimes to meet both their goals and my own.

I worked really, really hard for that company, even though I could not wait to get home to my typewriter. After a few years everybody there knew what I did, that yes, I spent every break I had typing stories, and I stayed back after hours and use their brilliant WordPerfect software, and printers, and they undestdood what my real love was, but they couldn't complain because I did do what I was employed to do.

Well once, one of my coworkers complained to our boss about all the photocopy paper I was using after hours because I was printing out my stories, and when I offered to pay for the paper, I was told in a very stern voice to not waste it ;)

Not sure if this helps, but I see how you feel, and I am one who would never suggest you throw away your day job to write without an income of some kind that can keep you above the poverty line. I'm 43 and now write full time, but it took many years to get to the that point.

Maybe look for a job that can get you as close as you can be to what you really want to do. Pick the job you would want to do if you didn't want to write, until you spit out that novel that pays you the ability to give up that job.

Welcome :hi:
 
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If you're in a position where your bosses don't mind, it's no prob. If they would very much mind if they found out... I'd recommend against it. Very, very few writers make a living from their writing; even if they can, I've heard agent bloggers refer to that "I'm quitting my job" announcement as the "kiss of death", because a writer who has all day to write... tends to find other things to do. :) You do not want to endanger your actual job with your writing. Write before work, after work, on breaks, at lunch; scrounge for precious timeslots, and the writing will feel more special, anyway.

As for your unhappiness: have you considered a career or company change? It's never too late.
 

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Only if you care about your job...some people really do and they do important jobs that require attention. At my old job...90% of my day was spent doing busy work.
 

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There is another issue you need to think about. In some cases, depending on the job a person has, employers are claiming legal rights to anything a person creates while on the job. This includes personal projects. You need to look into this.
 
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Forget work!!! And school. And your friends and family, and the wife/husband, and hell, might as well forget the children while you're at it (lil bastards!). Quit your job, estrange yourself from your family, ignore your friends, live on the street, inject yourself with every known chemical substance--to expand your imagination, of course--and start drinking A LOT of alcohol. Now you're ready to work on the next great piece of world literature!

Seriously though, I've been there. If you feel guilty, carry a note pad with you and as you think of ideas or lines throughout the work day, write them down, and by the time you get home, you should have quite a few things to build on when you get to sit down and work for real! ;)
 

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Thanks guys!
I'm glad to see so many people know how I feel and can offer their experience.

Its kinda sad that our whole social/economic system is set up to make people do things they don't really care about (most of the time anyway) and sideline things that actually might be more important

-- Not that my writing a silly bedtime story for an insomniac ex-girlfriend will ever change the world or turn around the financial fortunes of my company should they decide to claim the copyright (but thanks for the concern regdog! =)
 

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I used to write during my lunch breaks. Best writing ever -- clock ticking, under pressure. Ah, the memories.

True story, I knew a guy who was writing a novel at work, and getting so immersed in it that he became the daily chuckle around the coffee machine. No one seemed to mind. When lay-offs started to bite, he was the first victim escorted out the door.

I don't know if it's a question of morality and ethics, as common sense. You're risking your job and maybe your career, for what? Something you can do outside of work. Cease and desist. Shrug, my advice.

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Yes, it is ethically wrong to work on personal projects during work hours - the only exception being during your lunch time. The company is paying you to do their work, whether you like it or not, and even though it might not be apparent to you, I'm sure there's more that could be done you're not currently doing. And, there's a good chance you're shortchanging the work you should be doing (or will do that in the near future). Another thing to think about, if there really is available time that's not being occupied by work for your company, that means they're potentially overstaffed and may at some point need to let someone go. This is a rotten economy. And even though you might think no one knows you're "screwing off" on company time, someone has noticed and you may be the first one out the door. But, regardless of that, it is ethically wrong to conduct personal business while you're being paid to do company work. The only exception I'd make to that statement is calling doctors (or other professionals) to set up appointments since those have to be made during business hours. Puma
 

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Yeah, what they said. I've been known to jot down ideas during my day job when the inspiration struck, but I used my breaks for lengthier versions. But it's true, now that I own my own business and have to be my own boss I find time management to be a lot more of a challenge. Yesterday I blew off writing completely! (The grass always looks greener...) But I often find my mind wandering to my WIP while I'm managing my business (multi-tasking) but if you are a brain surgeon, I wouldn't recommend you do that Bob. ;)
 

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Write the old fashioned way, pen and paper, then hide it under 'official' work if and when the boss is around. Most of the time looking busy working on anything is good enough for the boss. As long as the paying work is done, no harm doing your own thing instead of hanging around the 'water cooler,' or chatting up co-workers. Afterall, work is work, whoever it may be for.
 

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Not sure if I did this or not. Welcome to AW. Hope you enjoy your stay with us.

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If you have to ask...it is wrong. Find new ways to do other work for your boss. I would not like it if someone I was paying was not doing something for my company. I know that sounds cold...but put yourself in the bosses place. Would you want someone doing it to you? (This is only my two cents....)
 

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Welcome to the Cooler.

If people weren't meant to be skiving off at work, Billy Gates wouldn't have included the alt-tab feature in Windows. (My advice is bad, my writing is slightly worse)
 

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It depends on whether you are getting paid a salary or by the hour. If you are salaried and getting all of your work done, then I don't see a problem. If you're getting paid by the hour, then you're stealing from your employer when you work on your projects on their dime.
 

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When raising my children I asked them to ask themselves one question when confronted with a dubious proposition. If I asked my mother what I should do here, what would be her answer? If her answer would be "No way!" then I suggested that it probably was not a good call.

Here, the question would be "What would my boss/supervisor say if I asked?" If the answer is "No way!" then the moral (and practical) answer is self evident.

I don't mean to be a buzz kill but there it is. If you have to sneak around it probably is a bad choice. Your boss is paying for your time.