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Celia Cyanide
06-17-2009, 09:10 PM
Sam Raimi's return to horror! Anyone seen this? I thought it was awesome!

maestrowork
06-17-2009, 09:13 PM
Unintentionally funny (or was that intentional?) When the demon vomited out the kitten, everyone in the theatre laughed.

aadams73
06-17-2009, 09:16 PM
I laughed at the goat. And the kitten. And the old lady sucking on her chin.

It was fun, but it was no Army of Darkness.

dgiharris
06-17-2009, 09:16 PM
It seems that the genre of horror is moving towards horror mixed with comedy.

Personally, i don't really like that and prefer horror to just be horror.

Overall, I thought it was good. Plenty of jumpy parts, though I feel they were a little overzealous with the audio volume assaults.

The direction and incorporation of the mystical was very well done.

Mel...

Celia Cyanide
06-17-2009, 09:28 PM
I think Sam Raimi has always been funny in his horror movies. And personally, I like horror because it's FUN! The problem I have with a lot of horror movies today is that they have all the violence and gore, but they're not fun.

Diana Hignutt
06-17-2009, 09:31 PM
I think Sam Raimi has always been funny in his horror movies. And personally, I like horror because it's FUN! The problem I have with a lot of horror movies today is that they have all the violence and gore, but they're not fun.

A lot of the stuff pretending to be horror these days is essentially torture-porn.

I liked Raimi's earlier work (Evil Dead, etc) so, I'll go see this soon.

Calla Lily
06-17-2009, 09:33 PM
A lot of the stuff pretending to be horror these days is essentially torture-porn.


QFT.

I'll probably wait for DMTH to hit DVD. I hatehatehate how LOUD everything is in the theaters.

Kurtz
06-17-2009, 09:37 PM
Unintentionally funny (or was that intentional?) When the demon vomited out the kitten, everyone in the theatre laughed.

Did you not see the bit with the strategically placed anvil, and the eyes blowing out? The talking goat for gods sake! I also loved the bit with the funky bass line when the gyspie woman was in the car.

I liked it, I watch American horror almost exclusivley for the lols anyway. If you want to watch stuff thats true horror/terror it's the French you want to go to.

What is most important is that for once in American horror, it did something new. It didn't follow any of the archetypes, it wasn't a slasher, or a chase movie. As a result it was unpredictable, and also contained the first observed occurance of Chekov's cat (if a cat is introduced in the 1st scene, it must be sacrificed to a goat-demon in the last scene)

dgiharris
06-17-2009, 10:01 PM
Did you not see the bit with the strategically placed anvil, and the eyes blowing out? The talking goat for gods sake!


I thought the talking goat was cool. The anvil was definitely a Looney Tunes moment that sorta pissed me off.


I liked it, I watch American horror almost exclusivley for the lols anyway. If you want to watch stuff thats true horror/terror it's the French you want to go to.

I don't recall a lot of laughs in the Exorcist or Candyman. But I will concede that there are some who like to throw humor into thier horror.

I loved The Ring, that freaked me out because it felt 'real'. As for French, I think I'll have to check some out. Do you have any recommendations?


...It wasn't a slasher, or a chase movie. As a result it was unpredictable, and also contained the first observed occurance of Chekov's cat (if a cat is introduced in the 1st scene, it must be sacrificed to a goat-demon in the last scene)

Yeah, the slasher movies and torture porn is getting way old.

The sacrifice of the cat was another one of my favorite parts. I liked when the mystic told her about animal sacrifices and she says, "I'm not going to do that"

and then the mystic says, "You'll be surprised what you're willing to do when the Nambia comes for you."

Mel...

Celia Cyanide
06-17-2009, 10:07 PM
I loved The Ring, that freaked me out because it felt 'real'. As for French, I think I'll have to check some out. Do you have any recommendations?

High Tension. Them.

I mostly watch foreign horror, but this movie was good!

Millicent M'Lady
06-17-2009, 10:12 PM
High Tension. Them.

I mostly watch foreign horror, but this movie was good!

High Tension (or a Switchblade Romance as it's known this side of the pond!) is one of the most underrated slashers of all time. It really is an undiscovered gem.

Can't wait to see Drag Me to Hell as well. I love Raimi's sense of humour in the Evil Dead trilogy.

Calla Lily
06-17-2009, 10:16 PM
A different Them than the classic 1950s giant ant movie?

The last French horror I watched was Eyes Without a Face, from the 60s, I think. It was... odd. Rather dreamlike and had a Huh??? ending. Not horrifying at all, even on a psychological level.

I'm looking for horror that doesn't use anything Ringu used. Please, horror directors? With sugar on top? (I lurved Ringu, BTW.)

dgrintalis
06-17-2009, 10:28 PM
A friend of mine just recommended a French horror film called Inside. I've not seen it yet, but he said it was awesome.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0856288/

dnic
06-17-2009, 10:31 PM
Think acme cartoon gone horror and you can get a pretty good idea of what the movie's like. :D

Celia Cyanide
06-17-2009, 10:44 PM
A different Them than the classic 1950s giant ant movie?

Yes, this one is a home invasion movie similar to The Strangers.

Zoombie
06-17-2009, 10:58 PM
Sounds an awful lot like Evil Dead 2.

Which is fucking AWESOME cause Evil Dead 2 is the greatest movie EVER MADE other than Army of Darkness, obviously.

seun
06-17-2009, 11:02 PM
Going by the ads we had here, DMTH looked more like straight horror than Evil Dead territory. Seems the ads were misleading.

And I'll second (or third) Them. Great film. It really shows how crap American horror has been for years.

aquacat
06-17-2009, 11:05 PM
I thought it was fairly predictable, if you're familiar with Sam Raimi's work. I enjoyed it right up until the end, but the end felt pretty cheap to me. But overall, it's fun.

Jcomp
06-17-2009, 11:22 PM
I thought it was solid, but the story was mad predictable--the ending in particular. Hilarious in parts, but I agree with Mel that the volume was stupid high in certain parts. If I want to go somewhere and be deafened by the speakers, I'll go the club. ZING!

I see both sides of the "serious horror" vs. "fun horror" argument. I see Celia's take on how horror should be fun, particularly if it's going to be extremely violent. On the other hand, I see Mel's take, as I try to write more serious horror, but a lot of "serious" horror movies these days go over the top on gore and violence and really aren't "serious" so much as dour and grim for the sake of being dour and grim--like comic books in the 90's...

Kurtz
06-17-2009, 11:27 PM
I don't recall a lot of laughs in the Exorcist or Candyman. But I will concede that there are some who like to throw humor into thier horror.

I loved The Ring, that freaked me out because it felt 'real'. As for French, I think I'll have to check some out. Do you have any recommendations?

Truth. Early American horror was terrifying, John Carpenter's Thing was brilliant, and rose above the schlokiness of the effects. The level of historical research that went into the Exorcist was amazing, did you know the statue of the demon is of the Babylonian Wind Demon Pazuzu, and that it is real, and is in the British Museum? You can buy replicas for 150. So tempted.

But after Friday 13th, it all started to go downhill.

As for the Japanese, well Ring was really good, a true example of horror as opposed to terror (horror is that creeping feeling in the back of your head, you're scared but you don't want to look away, terror is that total animal revulsion that you feel when the monster is chasing you). But Ring seems to have had a very dominating role in the genre, a lot of Japanese horror is still going down the 'ghosts in the machines'. I guess it's a part of the fabric of Japanese society really. It's a pity that most Japanese films don't get proper releases in the West, I'm sure there is some genuinely terrifying stuff being made.

I can echo the recommendations for Them. Whoa, that ending was out of left field. If your going to watch it do no further research because you want to feel disorientated and confused throughout. I've been heavily recommended Inside as well, and am going to give it a shot. Martyrs has been responsible for starting this whole mini-obsession I've developed with French horror, very disturbing. Irreversible isn't a straight horror per se, no monsters, no serial killers, just a three people who have a very, very bad day. Time destroys everything.

Jcomp
06-17-2009, 11:33 PM
To a limited extent, I think other cultures have been coming with better "serious" horror movies in recent years because they embrace their history of horror stories better. The Ring worked (and inspired a ton of knockoffs) in Japan because the Onryō ghost was something great to draw from. A lot of Latin American and Spanish cinema has similarly horrifying old tales to draw from.

In the U.S. that stuff sort of faded after a while and we keep trying too hard to delve into something "new" that's really just rehashing recent lousiness. I dunno... I think there are a lot of interesting stories left to tell here, but people don't want to tell them and as a whole we're not as familiar with these old stories as other countries / cultures seem to be with theirs...

LiquidDan
06-17-2009, 11:35 PM
saw this film on the weekend, thought it was pretty good overall. There were some really corny moments though, like the anvil/eye popping and the "here kitty!" stuff. I'm not the biggest fan of humour in horrors, I usually like straight up terror/discomfort, unless the film is blatantly intended to be hilarious, a la evil dead/army of darkness...



I feel they were a little overzealous with the audio volume assaults.

yeah, I went to see it in a different cinema to the one I usually go to, and thought maybe it was them cranking up the volume to an uncomfortable level, but it seems it was due to the filmmakers...

LiquidDan
06-17-2009, 11:52 PM
The level of historical research that went into the Exorcist was amazing, did you know the statue of the demon is of the Babylonian Wind Demon Pazuzu, and that it is real, and is in the British Museum? You can buy replicas for 150. So tempted.

Interesting, I didn't know that... and no way in hell *badum tsh* I'd have one of those in my house, replica or not. Y'know, just in case :D

I do like some foreign horrors, like some of the stuff from Japan, although to be fair, I thought the American remakes of the Grudge, Dark Water, etc were pretty good too.

Anyone seen a Spanish film called Rec.? I stumbled on that in the cinema a while ago. At first I was gutted as I hadn't realised it was subtitled, but within five minutes I was hooked... real quality film

Jcomp
06-18-2009, 12:04 AM
Rec was great. Remade (of course) in the U.S. as Quarantine without quite the same punch. A Rec 2 has been made and is coming out in October overseas. Here's a trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0-gVB-U5is) (warning, there lies bloody mayhem within). Looks interesting, but almost more like a video game.

Kurtz
06-18-2009, 12:07 AM
Anyone seen a Spanish film called Rec.? I stumbled on that in the cinema a while ago. At first I was gutted as I hadn't realised it was subtitled, but within five minutes I was hooked... real quality film

One of many reasons that I don't like attics. I really don't know how they did that last scene.

Seen the teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifmFMfcg7VE)for [Rec]2?

EDIT- GODDAMNIT. I had to look through Youtube for ages till I found the genuine article. Seems everyone wants to make their own fake teasers.

Celia Cyanide
06-18-2009, 12:13 AM
As for the Japanese, well Ring was really good, a true example of horror as opposed to terror (horror is that creeping feeling in the back of your head, you're scared but you don't want to look away, terror is that total animal revulsion that you feel when the monster is chasing you). But Ring seems to have had a very dominating role in the genre, a lot of Japanese horror is still going down the 'ghosts in the machines'. I guess it's a part of the fabric of Japanese society really. It's a pity that most Japanese films don't get proper releases in the West, I'm sure there is some genuinely terrifying stuff being made.

I used to track down Japanese horror (or J-Ho) films on the internet and buy the foreign DVDs, because they were usually region free. Ringu inspired a lot of atmospheric horror, and lot of cheap ripoffs, which is why I don't follow it as closely as I used to. Funny thing is, back in the 80's, the Japanese used to make the ickiest, most gross out stuff you could imagine. I like Hideo Nakata's stuff, and some of Miike's stuff, and there is some great Korean horror, like A Tale of Two Sisters and Memento Mori.

Jcomp
06-18-2009, 12:13 AM
EDIT- GODDAMNIT. I had to look through Youtube for ages till I found the genuine article. Seems everyone wants to make their own fake teasers.

I frickin' haaaaaaaaate that. Even after the real teaser comes out it's still not liable to be the first one that comes up when you search for it. Urgh...

seun
06-18-2009, 12:32 AM
Rec was great. Remade (of course) in the U.S. as Quarantine without quite the same punch. A Rec 2 has been made and is coming out in October overseas. Here's a trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0-gVB-U5is) (warning, there lies bloody mayhem within). Looks interesting, but almost more like a video game.

How I love Rec. I bored eveyone I know to death last year, telling them they had to see it. :tongue

maestrowork
06-18-2009, 12:50 AM
To me, I want my horror scary and comedy funny. But when horror is just funny, that doesn't work with me for some reasons. For example, Shaun of the Dead is a comedy, not horror (to me), and it's damn funny. The Ring, however, is just creepy (but not funny). I don't like the two genres to cross.

LiquidDan
06-18-2009, 12:53 AM
Rec was great. Remade (of course) in the U.S. as Quarantine without quite the same punch. A Rec 2 has been made and is coming out in October overseas. Here's a trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0-gVB-U5is) (warning, there lies bloody mayhem within). Looks interesting, but almost more like a video game.

Yeah, I heard there was a remake which wasn't a patch on the original, but I haven't got around to seeing it. That trailer looks great too, bloody mayhem in abundance :e2headban:D

I know what you mean about the videogame kinda feel... I think having swat team with semi-automatics might take something away from the fear factor, as the vulnerability of unarmed journalists in the first was a major part of the horror imo. Still, I'll definitely be checking this out :Thumbs:

Kurtz: the attic scene was pure nail-bitting stuff wasn't it? My girlfriend and I were literally grabbing onto each other with fear haha. great!

Kurtz
06-18-2009, 12:56 AM
Kurtz: the attic scene was pure nail-bitting stuff wasn't it? My girlfriend and I were literally grabbing onto each other with fear haha. great!

The fact that the creature wasn't either a model or CGI is what scared me most, it was just someone with a hideous deformity in a lot of makeup.

Celia Cyanide
06-18-2009, 01:19 AM
To me, I want my horror scary and comedy funny. But when horror is just funny, that doesn't work with me for some reasons. For example, Shaun of the Dead is a comedy, not horror (to me), and it's damn funny. The Ring, however, is just creepy (but not funny). I don't like the two genres to cross.

The Ring wasn't funny, but it was fun. I think horror should be fun, even when it is serious. But the thing about horror is that it can have aspects of every genre. As a horror actress, I am asked to act in all different styles, from comedic, dramatic to serious, to over-the-top.

Dommo
06-18-2009, 02:47 AM
In my book the perfect Horror movie was "The Thing".

It was great because not only did the monster look fucking cool, but the tension, paranoia, and atmosphere(antarctic research camp) made it unbelievably awesome. I still yearn for the day when a Norwegian prequel(as in the entire movie in Norwegian/Norwegian actors, and ideally shot in Antarctica at a research station) will be made about what exactly happened when the Norwegians dug the alien up.

maestrowork
06-18-2009, 03:11 AM
The Ring wasn't funny, but it was fun. I think horror should be fun, even when it is serious. But the thing about horror is that it can have aspects of every genre. As a horror actress, I am asked to act in all different styles, from comedic, dramatic to serious, to over-the-top.

I'm not sure about fun, unless you mean entertaining, then of course. I mean The Thing wasn't fun -- but it's extremely entertaining, and I consider it one of the best sci-fi horror. I don't think of The Ring as "fun" but definitely entertaining.

robeiae
06-18-2009, 03:22 AM
It was great because not only did the monster look fucking cool, but the tension, paranoia, and atmosphere(antarctic research camp) made it unbelievably awesome. I still yearn for the day when a Norwegian prequel(as in the entire movie in Norwegian/Norwegian actors, and ideally shot in Antarctica at a research station) will be made about what exactly happened when the Norwegians dug the alien up.
Probably, they all ate Rakfisk, then washed it down with shots of Aquavit...

DamaNegra
06-18-2009, 04:11 AM
The fact that the creature wasn't either a model or CGI is what scared me most, it was just someone with a hideous deformity in a lot of makeup.
Actually, it was just a regular guy (yes, a man) with some prosthetics and lots of makeup. It's in the making of part of the extra materials in the DVD, the transformation is just unbelievable!

dgiharris
06-18-2009, 05:34 AM
The Ring wasn't funny, but it was fun...

Ummm... Yeah, about that. Ummm we're going to go out to a restaurant, yeah, a restaurant, but instead of you driving, ummm... I'm going to send a 'special' taxi for you. It will be roomy, lots and lots of space, comfy interior with lots of plush padding. The taxi drivers (yes plural) wear white, so don't be put off by it, and the restaurant is ummm.. an overnight kind, like a bed and breakfast but just a tad bit longer. I can see by your avatar that you are appropriately dressed. Don't worry, they'll be there in a jiffy :D



I think horror should be fun, even when it is serious. But the thing about horror is that it can have aspects of every genre. As a horror actress, I am asked to act in all different styles, from comedic, dramatic to serious, to over-the-top.

I can agree that there are differect aspects of horror. I just kinda like to know up front and the movie really should set the tone for it right away, otherwise, when the funny stuff does happen, it breaks my suspension of disbelief.


Anyways, random horror rant. Why is it that characters are always so fcking quick to dismiss what happened to them? A ghost, spirit, spectar, whatever just bitch slaps you and tosses you around the room, then later when you tell your friends they say, "Oh, no, it was just the wind or you just fell"

then the victim says, "Gee, yeah, that must have been it"

UUUGGGHHH!!!!!! Whenever this happens I want to reach through the screen and SLAP EM.

Mel...

Celia Cyanide
06-18-2009, 07:31 AM
Anyways, random horror rant. Why is it that characters are always so fcking quick to dismiss what happened to them? A ghost, spirit, spectar, whatever just bitch slaps you and tosses you around the room, then later when you tell your friends they say, "Oh, no, it was just the wind or you just fell"

then the victim says, "Gee, yeah, that must have been it"

UUUGGGHHH!!!!!! Whenever this happens I want to reach through the screen and SLAP EM.

Mel...

Yeah, well, when weird stuff happens in real life, that's usually what we think it is...and we're usually right!

dgiharris
06-18-2009, 08:18 AM
Yeah, well, when weird stuff happens in real life, that's usually what we think it is...and we're usually right!

How often does 'the wind' slap you around and toss you about all over the room?

Me? Not so much :D

Mel...

jodiodi
06-18-2009, 09:13 AM
We liked the first part of DMTH, but once the kitten thing began, I lost complete interest in the movie. I hoped the heroine would be dragged to hell for what she did. I was no longer invested in the movie except to hope she was damned.

It wasn't scary but had a couple of creepy moments (parking garage). But the rest of the movie was just rather disgusting, not scary.

Zoombie
06-18-2009, 10:47 AM
How often does 'the wind' slap you around and toss you about all over the room?

Me? Not so much :D

Mel...

That's why, whenever something even slightly strange happens, I go on high alert and take every measure I can.

Course, as soon as I find out its my cat, then I feel silly.

BUT ITS BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY!

seun
10-25-2009, 04:40 PM
I finally watched DMTH a couple of nights ago. I was so disappointed. There were a couple of effective scenes (the seance, for example), but beyond that, it was just...:Shrug:. The end was sign-posted way too early and the MC's boyfriend spent the whole film looking like he'd just stepped out of a shampoo ad.

I'll have to watch Evil Dead 3 to get ths out of my system.

Perks
10-25-2009, 05:53 PM
I finally watched DMTH a couple of nights ago. I was so disappointed.

Ha! Me too. We watched it three nights ago and I'm still bummed out over it. It was terrible. I actually liked the lead and her boyfriend, but my like pretty much stopped there.

I cannot imagine how 92% of 202 professional movie reviews (compiled on RottenTomates.com (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/drag_me_to_hell/)) gave this a positive review. I just don't get it.

seun
10-25-2009, 05:59 PM
The MC was likeable and sympathetic and I did hope she'd get out of the situation, but that was about it on the plus side.

One of the reviews on the cover said it was the scariest film of the decade. I can only assume that reviewer was either an idiot or hasn't seen any other film this century.

Jcomp
10-25-2009, 06:50 PM
Ha! Me too. We watched it three nights ago and I'm still bummed out over it. It was terrible. I actually liked the lead and her boyfriend, but my like pretty much stopped there.

I cannot imagine how 92% of 202 professional movie reviews (compiled on RottenTomates.com (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/drag_me_to_hell/)) gave this a positive review. I just don't get it.

I think for a lot of reviewers it was about Raimi more than the movie really. Raimi's return to his brand of big, semi-goofy horror. They get to recognize his signature style and for some that adds to the enjoyment. I know some people who love Raimi and got a huge kick out of the whole goat scene which I was mostly indifferent too, but it was the blend of wackiness and horror that Raimi's become sort of known for. I also know some people who think everything he did after the first Evil Dead is an abomination, but a lot of reviewers dig his quirky style over the more brutal stuff.

Perks
10-25-2009, 07:30 PM
Yeah, I guess the only other Raimi that I loved was Army of Darkness. And to me that's a comedy, not a horror. I suppose I should have known better. The thing of it was that it as billed as a scary movie and it wasn't. It was just stupid, and because Alison Lohman is no Bruce Campbell, I'm the dummy.

Angie
10-25-2009, 08:01 PM
Anyways, random horror rant. Why is it that characters are always so fcking quick to dismiss what happened to them? A ghost, spirit, spectar, whatever just bitch slaps you and tosses you around the room, then later when you tell your friends they say, "Oh, no, it was just the wind or you just fell"

then the victim says, "Gee, yeah, that must have been it"

UUUGGGHHH!!!!!! Whenever this happens I want to reach through the screen and SLAP EM.

Mel...

Ack, agreed. It's not a horror movie, but the movie Hot Fuzz (a buddy-cop movie starring Simon Pegg, who was Shaun in Shaun of the Dead) plays with this theme too. Every time a character is murdered, every other character except the MC writes it off as an "accident", even when one woman is stabbed in the neck by a pair of pruning shears ("She tripped and fell on her own shears"). It's totally poking fun at the stupidity of a lot of characters in "serious" movies...

RickN
10-26-2009, 09:12 PM
Ack, agreed. It's not a horror movie, but the movie Hot Fuzz (a buddy-cop movie starring Simon Pegg, who was Shaun in Shaun of the Dead) plays with this theme too. Every time a character is murdered, every other character except the MC writes it off as an "accident", even when one woman is stabbed in the neck by a pair of pruning shears ("She tripped and fell on her own shears"). It's totally poking fun at the stupidity of a lot of characters in "serious" movies...

This weekend, I watched "This Old Dark House", early-60's William Castle.

One of the characters is killed offcamera by having not one, but two knitting needles shoved through her throat in a big X.

"Do you think it was an accident?"

"No, it was definitely murder. She was always so careful when she knitted."

I just had to laugh.

Satori1977
10-27-2009, 12:34 AM
I think for a lot of reviewers it was about Raimi more than the movie really. Raimi's return to his brand of big, semi-goofy horror. They get to recognize his signature style and for some that adds to the enjoyment. I know some people who love Raimi and got a huge kick out of the whole goat scene which I was mostly indifferent too, but it was the blend of wackiness and horror that Raimi's become sort of known for. I also know some people who think everything he did after the first Evil Dead is an abomination, but a lot of reviewers dig his quirky style over the more brutal stuff.

I love Sam Raimi...if I see his name attached to something, I will watch it. Same for his brother Ted. I love their wacky, sick humor. Which is weird, but I usually just want straight comedy or straight horror, mixed together, it usually doesn't work. Sam Raimi makes it work somehow.

However, I have yet to see Drag Me To Hell, so I can't comment on that movie.

Celia Cyanide
10-27-2009, 06:27 PM
How often does 'the wind' slap you around and toss you about all over the room?

Me? Not so much :D

I've had some weird stuff happen to me. Just a point.

Also, I don't like the Spiderman movies.