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dclary
06-09-2009, 02:27 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvztdvDvDq8&feature=related

ChunkyC
06-09-2009, 03:28 AM
You just like the bit in the intro where the girl somersaults and shows her panties. ;)

childeroland
06-09-2009, 03:35 AM
Love this show.

Is the English dub of this show heavily Macekred?

bettielee
06-09-2009, 05:23 AM
so weird - I remembered that, but I didn't remember it....

and the attack from "beyond space?" weird...

Miguelito
06-09-2009, 05:45 AM
I remember that show. Wow, it's terrible. "galaxies beyond space"

To me, this was always the greatest cartoon of the 80s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVAtfbEUTko

dgiharris
06-09-2009, 09:37 PM
You just like the bit in the intro where the girl somersaults and shows her panties.

Never miss an opportunity to show some panties :D


I remember that show. Wow, it's terrible. "galaxies beyond space"

To me, this was always the greatest cartoon of the 80s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVAtfbEUTko

YES!!! Starblazers was the shit (now i'm dating myself LOL)

Followed closely by ROBOTECH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuWlcZRuiVI

Kitty Pryde
06-10-2009, 12:21 AM
Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea is the greatest 80s cartoon EVAR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48NaLR8V9fE&feature=related

Zoombie
06-10-2009, 12:38 AM
Darn, my favorite cartoon is from the 90s, so its disqualified.

STKlingaman
06-10-2009, 01:17 AM
I loved Calvin and Hobbs so much,
I put them in my book as two miners
(in the prologue) who get killed off
(with 1000's of others) starting a war.

And you can't beat Snoopy and Woodstock!

BigWords
06-10-2009, 02:04 AM
ThunderCats. Or Galaxy Rangers. I would have expected at least one mention of Transformers. And has everyone forgotten the wonderful Ulysses 31? Damn, so many to choose from...

childeroland
06-10-2009, 03:46 AM
It'd be nice if Boomerang ran these shows.

DeleyanLee
06-10-2009, 04:07 AM
Anyone want a quick review of what was in the 1980's?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3ayJ27RxU8

Cyia
06-10-2009, 06:38 AM
Best Cartoon Ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrM0E9pag8E

:D

dgiharris
06-10-2009, 10:37 AM
ThunderCats. Or Galaxy Rangers. I would have expected at least one mention of Transformers. And has everyone forgotten the wonderful Ulysses 31? Damn, so many to choose from...

Yes, yes, and yes. I'll give those all honorable mentions. Especially Transformers.

But IMHO, Robotech and Starblazers were better. Characters actually DIED in those cartoons. Much more emotional stakes involved.

Funny, the other day I just happened across a Thundercats episode. Definitely better when I was a pre-teen :)

Mel...

SPMiller
06-10-2009, 11:01 AM
Well, I looked over some lists of 80s cartoons (and even consulted the Youtube video above), but I decided the best cartoons came from the early-to-mid 90s. So, I guess I'm a decade off.

The Transformers were okay but nothing special. I definitely don't get the nostalgia people have been getting about that show lately. Thundercats and He-Man and She-Ra all sucked. So did GI Joe.

The better cartoons were actually the more obscure ones. I never saw any episodes of Starblazers (wtf?), but I have vague memories of Robotech. That one was okay, too.

Diana Hignutt
06-10-2009, 03:21 PM
Starblazers.

Deslock was hot.

AceTachyon
06-10-2009, 04:47 PM
Voting for Robotech and Star Blazers.

Yes, Macek did attempt some coherence with slapping together three completely unrelated shows for Robotech but it worked and yes, people died. My mouth dropped when I first found out what happened to Roy Fokker.

jennontheisland
06-10-2009, 05:07 PM
Thundercats and He-Man and She-Ra all sucked.
Blasphemy.

BigWords
06-10-2009, 05:23 PM
*singing out of tune*

Thunda-thunda-thunda-Thunder-CATS. Ho!

AceTachyon
06-10-2009, 05:39 PM
*singing out of tune*

Thunda-thunda-thunda-Thunder-CATS. Ho!
"Sword of Omens--give me sight beyond sight!"

"I...am...Mumm...RAH!"

SPMiller
06-10-2009, 08:15 PM
Blasphemy.You say that, but only because you didn't see the better cartoons that came later.

jennontheisland
06-10-2009, 08:20 PM
You say that, but only because you didn't see the better cartoons that came later.
Now what makes you think I stopped watching cartoons?

Titles please.

AceTachyon
06-10-2009, 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by SPMiller http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.absolutewrite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3674459#post3674459)
Thundercats and He-Man and She-Ra all sucked.
Blasphemy.
When you compare it on a continuum that begins with Thundarr the Barbarian, then Blackstar, then He-Man and She-Ra, then Thundercats, Lion-O and Company kinda come out on top.

But that's just my opinion.

AceTachyon
06-10-2009, 08:22 PM
The Transformers were okay but nothing special. I definitely don't get the nostalgia people have been getting about that show lately.
Compared to the Go-Bots, Transformers wins my vote.

AceTachyon
06-10-2009, 08:24 PM
Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea is the greatest 80s cartoon EVAR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48NaLR8V9fE&feature=related
Ah, yes. The Nickelodeon cartoons.

The Mysterious Cities of Gold was another of those.

SPMiller
06-10-2009, 08:28 PM
Now what makes you think I stopped watching cartoons?

Titles please.Ignoring adult cartoons and anime, I'd be impressed if you could name anything from the 80s that even comes close to competing with Gargoyles or Batman: The Animated Series.

If you like anime and/or mil sf, you can even throw in Exo Squad.

Good luck.

AceTachyon
06-10-2009, 08:38 PM
Ignoring adult cartoons and anime, I'd be impressed if you could name anything from the 80s that even comes close to competing with Gargoyles or Batman: The Animated Series.

So Robotech, Star Blazers, and Captain Harlock don't count?

Celia Cyanide
06-10-2009, 08:40 PM
But IMHO, Robotech and Starblazers were better. Characters actually DIED in those cartoons. Much more emotional stakes involved.

People died in Gatchaman, too. One of the main characters died, even. But when the dubbed it into English as G-Force or Battle of The Planets, they created this annoying robot named 7-Zark-7 who would come in and explain that he got everyone out before the explosion, and the only planes that got shot down were flown by androids and not real people. It's like, hey, maybe we should stop letting androids fly planes, because they aren't very good at it, since they are the only ones who ever get shot down!

FYI, I have a G-Force tattoo.

JimmyB27
06-10-2009, 08:42 PM
You're all wrong. Dangermouse was clearly the best 80's cartoon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exA4b9t8gZU
Followed by Bananaman - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiYbq3MMtts

:D

jennontheisland
06-10-2009, 08:42 PM
Ignoring adult cartoons and anime, I'd be impressed if you could name anything from the 80s that even comes close to competing with Gargoyles or Batman: The Animated Series.

If you like anime and/or mil sf, you can even throw in Exo Squad.

Good luck.
Oooo, I liked Gargoyles!

Gummi Bears! Bouncing here and there and everywhere, high adventure that's beyond compare....

Ahem. How about Beetlegeuse? Dungeons and Dragons (oh, man, I'm gonna take a beating for that one, I know it), The Racoons, and of course, Jem!

Diana Hignutt
06-10-2009, 08:45 PM
Batman: The Animated Series.

Good luck.

That was the 90's

Roger J Carlson
06-10-2009, 08:46 PM
No adventure cartoon will ever match or beat Jonny Quest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fYTA7bxqP4

Cyia
06-10-2009, 08:48 PM
You're all wrong. Dangermouse was clearly the best 80's cartoon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exA4b9t8gZU


I'm not wrong. You just don't pay attention!

(DM was my pick ;) )

And they're on DVD! :D

SPMiller
06-10-2009, 08:50 PM
That was the 90'sAnd Star Blazers and Captain Harlock were anime from the 70s. So what? That hasn't stopped anyone from claiming they're "80s cartoons". I'm just playing by the rules.


So Robotech, Star Blazers, and Captain Harlock don't count?See above. And no, Robotech doesn't compare.

dclary
06-10-2009, 09:06 PM
Robotech was the best cartoon ever, but it came after this one, which is why I threw the "early" qualifier in there.



I was very happy to see Battle of the Planets spoofed in Robot Chicken last night, too.

Diana Hignutt
06-10-2009, 09:07 PM
And Star Blazers and Captain Harlock were anime from the 70s. So what? That hasn't stopped anyone from claiming they're "80s cartoons". I'm just playing by the rules.
.

Crap. Really? Well, it was a long time ago.

BTW, Batman:The Animated Series. Best. Cartoon. Ever.

Celia Cyanide
06-10-2009, 09:32 PM
BTW, Batman:The Animated Series. Best. Cartoon. Ever.

Yes, it was. If only I was a kid when it came out. It was so amazing.

BigWords
06-10-2009, 09:42 PM
If you're a fan of Batman: TAS, then you might want to avert your eyes from The Batman.
They made The Joker into a grunge / punk lunatic. Even the excellent music by The Edge can't make up for that character derailment. It's like watching the last few episodes of Fist of the North Star, knowing that the magic has gone and not being able to understand why...

AceTachyon
06-10-2009, 09:43 PM
The closest 80s non-anime I can think of is Jayce and Wheeled Warriors and The Real Ghostbusters.

Oddly enough, both had JMS on their creative teams (producer on Wheeled Warriors, story editor and writer on Ghostbusters)

Celia Cyanide
06-10-2009, 11:11 PM
If you're a fan of Batman: TAS, then you might want to avert your eyes from The Batman.
They made The Joker into a grunge / punk lunatic. Even the excellent music by The Edge can't make up for that character derailment. It's like watching the last few episodes of Fist of the North Star, knowing that the magic has gone and not being able to understand why...

I haven't seen much of this. The Joker looks weird, though! I want to see it, just because there isn't much Batman-related stuff I don't like.

BigWords
06-11-2009, 12:19 AM
I've been searching the web, without luck, for a cartoon kinda like Go-Bots and Transformers that I half-remember. It was about robots that transformed into rocks and boulders. You guys have managed to dredge up memories of all kinds of weird cartoons...

AceTachyon
06-11-2009, 12:24 AM
I've been searching the web, without luck, for a cartoon kinda like Go-Bots and Transformers that I half-remember. It was about robots that transformed into rocks and boulders. You guys have managed to dredge up memories of all kinds of weird cartoons...
The Rock Lords (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Lords)

Miguelito
06-11-2009, 04:02 AM
And Star Blazers and Captain Harlock were anime from the 70s. So what? That hasn't stopped anyone from claiming they're "80s cartoons". I'm just playing by the rules.

Star Blazers was first broadcast in the US in 1979 and then continued broadcasting in the 80s. So yes, it is an 80s cartoon to a significant portion of AW members. Including me, who didn't get a chance to start watching it (and appreciating it) until the early 80s.

Leah_Michelle
06-11-2009, 10:35 AM
I was born a little late for all of the shows in the early 80s. All of my faves started mid to late 80s.

Ducktales (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMU2NwaaXEA) was my favorite. But I also liked TMNT (http://www.retrojunk.com/tv/videos/12-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles/12/#intro), The Gummi Bears (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2z8V2yL5P0) (Which upon watching a few episodes recently, a friend and I are sure that Gummi Bear Juice is PCP), and lastly Chip N' Dale Rescue Rangers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e5q6ubDlZE)...These were my shows. Started in the 80s , ran through most of the 90s :D

dgiharris
06-11-2009, 11:52 AM
Crap. Really? Well, it was a long time ago.

BTW, Batman:The Animated Series. Best. Cartoon. Ever.


Ignoring adult cartoons and anime, I'd be impressed if you could name anything from the 80s that even comes close to competing with Gargoyles or Batman: The Animated Series.

O.K. Time for the smack down. Why my Robotech and StarBlazers kick the crap out of your Gargoyles and Batman

1) Emotional Stakes are higher In your safe little worlds, your characters have nothing to fear. At the end of every episode, you know they will be o.k. The same cannot be said of Star Blazers and Robotech. In fact, in both cases, the fate of the entire human race is at stake. Talk about drama.

2) Complexity and Continuity Your Batman and Gargoyles are like microwave dinners, self contained little episodes that require little thought to enjoy. R & S OTOH are like Thanksgiving feasts, much more complex with several simultaneous plotlines that reach back all the way to the series' beginning.

3) Characters die Similar to #1, people actually died in the middle of the episodes, even random battles. No one was safe.

4) Romance Romantic stakes and love triangles were part of the equation

5) Animation Animation was ahead of its time and stands up well when compared to 90s animation.

You felt like you were a part of the show with the same emotional attachments that adults have to soap operas.

As for Batman and Gargoyles, I liked them, they were good cartoons. But that was all. There was never any depth, just a 'wow cool episode'. In fact, I'm hard pressed to remember anything MEMORABLE from B or G. As for Robotech and Star Blazers, the mere thought of those cartoons brings back entire plotlines, philosophical quandries, and great moralistic conflicts, etc. etc.


Now as for Captain Harlock. Who the hell is that? Somehow I must have missed that cartoon. I caught some of it on youtube, doens't look better than R & S.

Mel...

Diana Hignutt
06-11-2009, 02:50 PM
O.K. Time for the smack down. Why my Robotech and StarBlazers kick the crap out of your Gargoyles and Batman



Now as for Captain Harlock. Who the hell is that? Somehow I must have missed that cartoon. I caught some of it on youtube, doens't look better than R & S.

Mel...

Mel, Your little arguments were cute, but I'm not buying. Though, you may note that I originally listed Star Blazers on topic.

But, in Batman: TAS terrible things happened to major characters. They did grow.

Dick Grayson's parents died. Poor Harvey Dent was disfigured and went insane. Hell, a lot of people went insane. There were love triangles and crazy relationships for sure( Talia, Selena Kyle, Pam Isley, etc.) And Gotham City was often at stake (filling in nicely for the world).

As far as depth goes: there were episodes of powerful depth, one if I recall won an Emmy: the one with the gangster and his crippled brother. Powerful stuff.

But, yeah, Star Blazers rocked.

I have also never heard of the Captain Harlock guy. But, does anyone remember Captain Scarlet?

SPMiller
06-11-2009, 03:28 PM
Yeah, dgiharris, it's pretty clear you didn't watch the series, because several of those arguments could also be applied to Batman: TAS. Status quo, as they say, wasn't God. Plenty of romance--too much, if you ask me. Unique animation style. High stakes and character deaths and long-term plot arcs abounded. It even spawned characters so popular they made it into the comic book's canon. And for what it's worth, the show won two Emmy awards, not one. The Mr Freeze episode is the only one I can remember.

If your bitch is that Anyone Can Die (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnyoneCanDie) wasn't in effect, well, welcome to comic books. Superheroes don't die very often, if at all.

Albedo
06-11-2009, 03:40 PM
Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea is the greatest 80s cartoon EVAR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48NaLR8V9fE&feature=related

Yes! I can't decide between this and Mysterious Cities of Gold. Two awesome shows that tragically have never been repeated nor released on DVD in English as far as I know. Both theme songs are burnt into my memory.

AceTachyon
06-11-2009, 04:56 PM
If your bitch is that Anyone Can Die (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AnyoneCanDie) wasn't in effect, well, welcome to comic books. Superheroes don't die very often, if at all.
Except when they do die--but come back later.

Robin/Jason Todd
Supes
Captain America
Bats
Supergirl
Donna Troy

(but this is probably better served in another thread...)

AceTachyon
06-11-2009, 05:02 PM
Re: Robotech/Star Blazers v. Gargoyles/Batman:TAS--

We're trying to compare two pairs of shows from two different decades. With the rapid change in cultural and popular tastes, I don't know if that really makes sense.

I suppose one could say that both were the peak TV cartoon experiences of their time.

Or you can throw cabbages at me and tell me to get out.

Celia Cyanide
06-11-2009, 05:41 PM
Yeah, dgiharris, it's pretty clear you didn't watch the series, because several of those arguments could also be applied to Batman: TAS.

Yes. Batman has continuity and subplots that were not self-contained, at all.

SPMiller
06-11-2009, 06:55 PM
Except when they do die--but come back later.Your honor, the prosecution rests.

Oddly enough, supervillains are almost as unlikely to really die. Seems to lend support to the argument that they're inseparable from their superheroic opposites. It's worse than marriage: not even death can do them part.

AceTachyon
06-11-2009, 06:57 PM
Your honor, the prosecution rests.

Okay. Got me there.

I better stay out of these debates...

Celia Cyanide
06-11-2009, 07:22 PM
Your honor, the prosecution rests.

Oddly enough, supervillains are almost as unlikely to really die. Seems to lend support to the argument that they're inseparable from their superheroic opposites. It's worse than marriage: not even death can do them part.

I would like to add that this is largely an American thing. The fact that anyone could die in Robotech is due to the fact that Robotech was originally 1) Japanese and 2) not marketed toward children. At the end of the first season, Gatchaman killed off Joe, who was probably their most popular character. That's just not something they usually do in American shows, especially not in a kids show.

Also, just because I know that Batman and the Joker will never die does not mean I'm not emotionally invested in them.

Cyia
06-11-2009, 07:37 PM
Does anyone else remember a couple of cartoons called The Bionic 6 (somewhat Stepford adoptive family of supers) or Bravestar? (space western with a Native American sheriff who had a Shaman adviser. Loved the sentient horse/robot 30/30 and his "pet" gun Sarah Jane when I was a kid.)

dclary
06-11-2009, 08:30 PM
Re: Robotech/Star Blazers v. Gargoyles/Batman:TAS--

We're trying to compare two pairs of shows from two different decades. With the rapid change in cultural and popular tastes, I don't know if that really makes sense.

I suppose one could say that both were the peak TV cartoon experiences of their time.

Or you can throw cabbages at me and tell me to get out.

Then what about Robotech vs. GI Joe, which aired concurrently in my neighborhood.

Roy Freakin' Fokker DIED in Claudia's arms in Robotech.

1,000,000 joe and cobra soldiers were gunned down or shot out of vehicles, and not one ever died.

AceTachyon
06-11-2009, 08:37 PM
Then what about Robotech vs. GI Joe, which aired concurrently in my neighborhood.

Roy Freakin' Fokker DIED in Claudia's arms in Robotech.

1,000,000 joe and cobra soldiers were gunned down or shot out of vehicles, and not one ever died.
My memory could be way off, Deek, but everytime a Joe or Cobra vehicle exploded, its crew either jumped out or parachuted out.

Okay--let's compare Robotech and G.I. Joe. What are we comparing? Which was more kid-friendly? Which had better stories? Which had better animation? Which was more merchandise-friendly?

dgiharris
06-11-2009, 10:31 PM
Yes. Batman has continuity and subplots that were not self-contained, at all.

Couple of points.

I did watch Batman, but aren't there like 20 billion different variations? Hard to keep them all separated in my head.

As for continuity and subplots argument. Yes, Batman did have them but NO WHERE on the scale as Robotech and Star Blazers. Sure, Batman had a few 2 or 3 episode chains (to be continued) every now and then but overall, there was not a longstanding story arc. I mean, the episodes WERE WRITTEN to be as self contained as possible. In general, that is one of the weaknesses of many American cartoons (and sitcoms in general).

OTOH Robotech and Starblazers had arcs equivalent to any soap opera.

I think we can agree that in terms of complexity, scale, and depth of the subplots/complexity there is no Argument R & S wins out.

I mean, it's like arguing what has more steel, an aircraft carrier or an airplane. You don't get to point at the airplane and say, "Well, it has steel too so they are both equivalent".

Nope, sorry. Again, I did like Batman TAS, cool episodes, but I still think my reasons show why R & S were 'better'. I mean, in Batman TAS, if memory serves, how often did the villian 'permanently' kill a few thousand people? They were always foiled. Batman always came up with the antidote in time.

I remember one episode of Robotech were the Earth was on alert, troops and army tanks are everywhere. A little girl comes up to a soldier and hands him a flower and says, "Are you going to protect us from the aliens."
Soldier takes the flower and says, "Yeah sweetie, you're safe."
THere is a bright light on the horizon rushing towards them. The soldier grabs the girl and covers her with his body.

Both of them (along with the entire city) are vaporized from an alien bombardment from space.
THAT is complexity and emotional depth. Give me one scene from Batman TAS that compares. Whatever you come up with, I guarantee you Batman saves the day, or the consequence only happens to the villian or creates the villian. Innocents have nothing to worry about in the world of Batman other than temporary discomfort/inconvenience.

I rest my case

Mel...

dgiharris
06-11-2009, 10:50 PM
Then what about Robotech vs. GI Joe, which aired concurrently in my neighborhood.

Roy Freakin' Fokker DIED in Claudia's arms in Robotech.

1,000,000 joe and cobra soldiers were gunned down or shot out of vehicles, and not one ever died.

Exactly there is no comparison


My memory could be way off, Deek, but everytime a Joe or Cobra vehicle exploded, its crew either jumped out or parachuted out.

Okay--let's compare Robotech and G.I. Joe. What are we comparing? Which was more kid-friendly? Which had better stories? Which had better animation? Which was more merchandise-friendly?

First of all, it is insulting to compare the greatness that is Robotech to the cartoon whore that is G.I. Joe. G.I. Joe's sole purpose was to sell toys. Sure, I liked it as a kid, but the story writing was weak. In America, we thought for the LONGEST time that cartoons were only for kids and likewise wrote extremely simple plots/storylines. Robotech and other anime has different roots, they give their anime inifinitely more complex characters and plotlines resulting in superior cartoons. Only until recently has American Animation woken up to the true potential of cartoons and animation (Pixar comes to mind).

This thread has officially turned me from a disgruntled scientist into a mad scientist (see avatar sig)


http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc326/dgiharris/MadScientistgroup-1.jpg

You are all on notice. Continued disagreement with my superior arguments will result in your horrible untimely and rather painful deaths.

You have been warned. If you are even thinking of defying me, make sure your wills are in order. Cyber space is wrought with the corpses of those who dared to irk me. And you all, have now irked me. I am irked. And woe behold the irker. Since, before my superior arguments, you did not fully comprehend the magnitude of your errors, i will let your past transgressions slide. But now that you have been informed, if you continue to hold on to those errorneous beliefs, then you show your need for eradication.

I will rain down such fury that you will think you are a quark encapsulated in a particle accelerator hurling towards a nucleionic mass (sorry for the graphic image, when I get mad, I can't control myself). I will break you up into subatomic particles and strew your matter across all 16 dimensions of space time.

O.k. deep breath. I better stop and put the tiger back into the cage. See what you are dealing with. You don't want to make me angry.

Mel...

dclary
06-11-2009, 10:51 PM
My memory could be way off, Deek, but everytime a Joe or Cobra vehicle exploded, its crew either jumped out or parachuted out.

Okay--let's compare Robotech and G.I. Joe. What are we comparing? Which was more kid-friendly? Which had better stories? Which had better animation? Which was more merchandise-friendly?

I'd go with better stories, and, godhelp me, I can't believe I'm saying this about a show where airplanes turned into giant robots, motorcycles turned into personal armor and everything was powered by something called protoplasm..... more realism.

Celia Cyanide
06-11-2009, 11:02 PM
I did watch Batman, but aren't there like 20 billion different variations? Hard to keep them all separated in my head.

BTAS is the one from the 90's w/Kevin Conroy.



Sure, Batman had a few 2 or 3 episode chains (to be continued) every now and then but overall, there was not a longstanding story arc. I mean, the episodes WERE WRITTEN to be as self contained as possible. In general, that is one of the weaknesses of many American cartoons

At the beginning of the series, Dick Grayson is Robin, and he's still with Bruce. At the end, Dick has moved on and become Nightwing, and a new Robin has taken his place, and Batgirl has come along as well.

I don't believe that the episodes being written to be self-contained is a weakness. There is still character development and arcs.


OTOH Robotech and Starblazers had arcs equivalent to any soap opera.

And yet, I don't think that most soap operas have arcs that are very interesting or meaningful. They are ongoing storylines that last for years, but I don't think they're anything to aspire to.


I remember one episode of Robotech were the Earth was on alert, troops and army tanks are everywhere. A little girl comes up to a soldier and hands him a flower and says, "Are you going to protect us from the aliens."
Soldier takes the flower and says, "Yeah sweetie, you're safe."
THere is a bright light on the horizon rushing towards them. The soldier grabs the girl and covers her with his body.

Both of them (along with the entire city) are vaporized from an alien bombardment from space.
THAT is complexity and emotional depth. Give me one scene from Batman TAS that compares. Whatever you come up with, I guarantee you Batman saves the day, or the consequence only happens to the villian or creates the villian. Innocents have nothing to worry about in the world of Batman other than temporary discomfort/inconvenience.

Maybe to you, but it isn't to me. I don't equate that with complexity or emotional depth at all. Innocents die all the time in Gotham. But that isn't what gives it emotional depth, IMO. There are tons of examples of emotional depth in BTAS, but if you're going to say that emotional depth is not present, just because Batman won't die, then they aren't really worth mentioning.

BigWords
06-11-2009, 11:09 PM
I so wish the name of this thread was Greatest Cartoons EVER.

All other cartoons pale into insignificance when compared to Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex. *setting myself up for some serious abuse* :)

AceTachyon
06-11-2009, 11:09 PM
I'd go with better stories, and, godhelp me, I can't believe I'm saying this about a show where airplanes turned into giant robots, motorcycles turned into personal armor and everything was powered by something called protoplasm..... more realism.
You're thinking of protoculture, derived from the Flower of Life.

Now you're making me want to watch it all over again. Better hunt down my videotapes of Macross and Southern Cross...

Or, I might just have to get the DVDs.

Curse you, Deek! ;)

AceTachyon
06-11-2009, 11:11 PM
I so wish the name of this thread was Greatest Cartoons EVER.

All other cartoons pale into insignificance when compared to Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex. *setting myself up for some serious abuse* :)
I hope it's better than the GitS movie.

Although I'd have to throw in a vote for both new Appleseed movies.

And my personal favorite, Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind.

dgiharris
06-11-2009, 11:16 PM
BTAS is the one from the 90's w/Kevin Conroy.

At the beginning of the series, Dick Grayson is Robin, and he's still with Bruce. At the end, Dick has moved on and become Nightwing, and a new Robin has taken his place, and Batgirl has come along as well.

Yeah, I really liked this one.


I don't believe that the episodes being written to be self-contained is a weakness. There is still character development and arcs.

O.k. I can grant that, but it doesn't limit what you can do to a certain extent.


Maybe to you, but it isn't to me. I don't equate that with complexity or emotional depth at all. Innocents die all the time in Gotham. But that isn't what gives it emotional depth, IMO. There are tons of examples of emotional depth in BTAS, but if you're going to say that emotional depth is not present, just because Batman won't die, then they aren't really worth mentioning.

I will take some of it back. Of course, Batman can't die. But there are other devices that can be used to up the stakes.

O.k. to each their own. Again, i did like Batman. Perhaps this is apples and oranges. I saw R & S as a preteen which is a completely different perspective.

Mel...

dgiharris
06-11-2009, 11:18 PM
I so wish the name of this thread was Greatest Cartoons EVER.

All other cartoons pale into insignificance when compared to Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex. *setting myself up for some serious abuse* :)

No,

I did not see the series, but I did see the movie (first two). If the series is anything like the movies, then I can easily agree.

Mel...

Celia Cyanide
06-11-2009, 11:18 PM
O.k. to each their own. Again, i did like Batman. Perhaps this is apples and oranges. I saw R & S as a preteen which is a completely different perspective.

Well, it is comparing something that was intended to be a kids show to something that wasn't. :)

Celia Cyanide
06-11-2009, 11:30 PM
I like Galaxy Express with Space Pirate Captain Harlock!

som1luvsmi
06-11-2009, 11:39 PM
What?!?

No votes for the Smurfs?
No votes for Socialist Men Under Red Father? How can that be? ;)
(For those who don't know, yes, there is an entire group of people who say that The Smurfs was an allegorical cartoon endorsing communism. *I have a really funny pic of a shirt that says "Pop A Smurf".*)

Anyways, I don't remember a lot of 80's cartoons, but I always watched the K-CAL 9 line up after school: Gummi Bears, Chip n' Dale Rescue Rangers, Darkwing Duck, Gargoyles, and of course, Batman the Animated Series.

I have to say, though, that I think my favorite cartoons(things I'll watch even if my kids aren't in the room) have got to be Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Freakazoid, Earthworm Jim(23 skidoo!), Teen Titans, and my all time favorite Avatar: The Last Airbender. :D

Celia Cyanide
06-14-2009, 04:26 AM
Just wanted to add the Japanese version, Science Ninja Team Gatchaman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjuN5Bn-RCo