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DoomieBey
06-04-2009, 03:07 AM
Does someone know of a good book cover designer? I'll need one in the near future. I'll also need some input, so would it be best to have that person read my book to give them a feel for what the cover should be? I'm self publishing via Lightning Source [if that matters].

khwaish
06-04-2009, 05:20 AM
I wish you the best of luck. Make sure the cover matches your own take of the story, though.

TabithaTodd
06-04-2009, 05:48 AM
*shameless plug coming*

http://artisticcoverings.wordpress.com/portfolio/

weareamped at gmail dot com if you are interested in my work and services.

DoomieBey
06-04-2009, 05:59 AM
Impressive. I didn't see where the fees were listed.
*shameless plug coming*

http://artisticcoverings.wordpress.com/portfolio/

weareamped at gmail dot com if you are interested in my work and services.

TabithaTodd
06-04-2009, 06:26 AM
Impressive. I didn't see where the fees were listed.

I haven't set that part up yet, but it is a part of my 4 year established graphics design company Amped Designs.

Fees go on what the project entails, how much work is required. It's worked out between client and myself what the fees are and a good majority of the time I do give discounts and sliding fee rates according to income.

I like to give the little guy a break because I am one of the "little guys" too so to speak. My usual fees would be about 250 to 300 CND for publishing houses (if you would like to speak to the lady whom offered me a working contract from Red Sky at Night Publishing I'd be more than happy to send you her way via email - I've also done corporate identity graphics for her) but if it's steep for you we certainly can work out a budget that suits you better.

I will admit, most of my work is in corporate identity logos and corporate graphics. I do have some 30 odd book covers under my belt as mocks for my portfolio (save for a few that you've seen there that are actual covers) that landed me the working contract with the small Canadian publisher I mentioned.

Amped Designs also has it's own sub contractor for java based web development, Brett is based in Africa\UK area. Would you like to see more of my portfolio, even if it's not book cover related? I'd be more than happy to have several clients speak to you if you like as well, not just the small publisher. Just say the word, I'll send you the info you want to look at.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, I like to get at least a synopsis of the book so I have an idea of the plot and general groove of the book. It gives me a better idea of how the book cover should reflect the book. It's not mandatory but it does help to know what the book is about in order to accurately depict the story in a single image with cover art.

Kayley
06-04-2009, 06:29 AM
EDIT: Anyone else reading this has the same offer.

ORIGINAL POST:
Hey Doomie,


I've actually considered going into cover design, as I'm already a professional graphic designer.

If you tell me what you are thinking of for your cover, I might make you a free one. I want to get some samples before I start charging people. :)

I can make them more simple than this as well, since these were more for show than for practicality.

I haven't done any covers yet, but here is some of my graphic art:

Pretty much everything is made completely from scratch, whether it involves only graphic programs or a photograph that I took as a base.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/olympuspreview1.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/1breakingbond.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/banner1.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/MySpace/sideyosmallerforreals.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs41/f/2009/033/c/1/Partum_Mihi_by_KayleyFC.png

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/286/b/d/faint_misconceptions_by_KayleyFC.png

And my newest; a bigger image (so I'm linking it)...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2itn346.jpg (but it will be saved as a .png so it won't lose image quality like a .jpg can)

Unlike many "book cover" websites, I don't just take images from Google to use - especially since it violates copyright laws. Pretty much all of my material is produced by me, or is used with permission.

TabithaTodd
06-04-2009, 06:37 AM
I don't particularly like the implications there Kaylee...All my graphics, all be it not my own at times, are taking from paid stock photo sites. Some, granted are from royalty free stock photo sites that are free of charge for use.

Not from google here, I pay for my subscription to stock sites, that makes it not a copyright infringement when it's royalty free and I do contact the owner on top of that 99.9% of the time unless otherwise stated on the stock site for no contact or not needing contact to use the graphic or photo.

That was largely presumptuous, unless I am mistaken that it was not directed at me personally.

Kayley
06-04-2009, 06:43 AM
I don't particularly like the implications there Kaylee...All my graphics, all be it not my own at times, are taking from paid stock photo sites. Some, granted are from royalty free stock photo sites that are free of charge for use.

Not from google here, I pay for my subscription to stock sites, that makes it not a copyright infringement when it's royalty free and I do contact the owner on top of that 99.9% of the time unless otherwise stated on the stock site for no contact or not needing contact to use the graphic or photo.

That was largely presumptuous, unless I am mistaken that it was not directed at me personally.

Tabitha, I assure you I wasn't referring to you. I have seen other sites where I actually found the images on Google (there was especially this one publishing site...one of their covers was nothing but a white document with red Comic Sans writing on it. Blech.) Sorry for the confusion. :)

I was just offering to make a free cover for him. It would help me by giving me a sample, and it is at no cost to him. He could very well commission you at the same time; I just wanted to ask since I wanted to get some samples.

Tika
06-04-2009, 07:03 AM
I like your artwork very much Kayley :) Best of luck to you :)

Tika :)

Kayley
06-04-2009, 07:56 AM
I like your artwork very much Kayley :) Best of luck to you :)

Tika :)

Thank you!

I'll probably just make a new thread about the free covers. I've just been too busy to make one lately and only posted because this is the first thread I've seen of someone requesting one. :tongue

If you're interested in a free cover, feel free to PM me (don't want to hijack the thread now lol). Once I have time, I'll be making some covers.

Tika
06-04-2009, 08:25 AM
Thank you for the offer kayley. I'll PM you :)

Tika

TabithaTodd
06-06-2009, 09:57 PM
Tabitha, I assure you I wasn't referring to you. I have seen other sites where I actually found the images on Google (there was especially this one publishing site...one of their covers was nothing but a white document with red Comic Sans writing on it. Blech.) Sorry for the confusion. :)

I was just offering to make a free cover for him. It would help me by giving me a sample, and it is at no cost to him. He could very well commission you at the same time; I just wanted to ask since I wanted to get some samples.

It just came off as such, I figured I was largely mistaken. It was probably the timing of the cross post that happened between us. Forgive me if I sounded...well biotchy as the saying goes.

I apologize for coming off defensive or irritable, I didn't mean to be.

DoomieBey
06-07-2009, 05:33 PM
Gosh, thanks for the interest. I'm writing a nonfiction book for prison returnees that I hope will aid anyone who truly desire a change in lifestyle upon release. I'd be happy to send you a synopsis, but my book is not a crutch to be used as an excuse guide. And more importantly, I want to educate returnees about society, not vice-a-versa. I'm not looking for anything over the top; rather, something catchy, yet not complicated, as to confuse someone about what genre the book actually falls into.

In researching similar books in the same category, I came across a book called Mask Of The Demon. The cover was, well, crude. But the book looked to be something out of the Scifi genre. But the excerpt indicated that it was about being a functional addict, hence the "mask". Confusing.

Nor am I looking for a photo of myself. Just something subtle, but would make a person say, "hmmm".
I haven't set that part up yet, but it is a part of my 4 year established graphics design company Amped Designs.

Fees go on what the project entails, how much work is required. It's worked out between client and myself what the fees are and a good majority of the time I do give discounts and sliding fee rates according to income.

I like to give the little guy a break because I am one of the "little guys" too so to speak. My usual fees would be about 250 to 300 CND for publishing houses (if you would like to speak to the lady whom offered me a working contract from Red Sky at Night Publishing I'd be more than happy to send you her way via email - I've also done corporate identity graphics for her) but if it's steep for you we certainly can work out a budget that suits you better.

I will admit, most of my work is in corporate identity logos and corporate graphics. I do have some 30 odd book covers under my belt as mocks for my portfolio (save for a few that you've seen there that are actual covers) that landed me the working contract with the small Canadian publisher I mentioned.

Amped Designs also has it's own sub contractor for java based web development, Brett is based in Africa\UK area. Would you like to see more of my portfolio, even if it's not book cover related? I'd be more than happy to have several clients speak to you if you like as well, not just the small publisher. Just say the word, I'll send you the info you want to look at.

EDIT: I forgot to mention, I like to get at least a synopsis of the book so I have an idea of the plot and general groove of the book. It gives me a better idea of how the book cover should reflect the book. It's not mandatory but it does help to know what the book is about in order to accurately depict the story in a single image with cover art.

DoomieBey
06-07-2009, 05:45 PM
And thanks to you too. If you'd like, I could send you an actual synopsis, but I thought it best to brief you - and TabithaTodd - before actually briefing you, in case nonfiction in that particular genre does not interest you. I'd be happy to PM you or anyone that would extend such a request. Thanks again.

And both you and TabithaTodd do great work! Now that the two of you have agreed to play nice, who knows, perhaps you all may collaborate on projects in the future. Isn't this site primarily about networking?:Hug2:
EDIT: Anyone else reading this has the same offer.

ORIGINAL POST:
Hey Doomie,


I've actually considered going into cover design, as I'm already a professional graphic designer.

If you tell me what you are thinking of for your cover, I might make you a free one. I want to get some samples before I start charging people. :)

I can make them more simple than this as well, since these were more for show than for practicality.

I haven't done any covers yet, but here is some of my graphic art:

Pretty much everything is made completely from scratch, whether it involves only graphic programs or a photograph that I took as a base.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/olympuspreview1.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/1breakingbond.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/banner1.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/MySpace/sideyosmallerforreals.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs41/f/2009/033/c/1/Partum_Mihi_by_KayleyFC.png

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/286/b/d/faint_misconceptions_by_KayleyFC.png

And my newest; a bigger image (so I'm linking it)...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2itn346.jpg (but it will be saved as a .png so it won't lose image quality like a .jpg can)

Unlike many "book cover" websites, I don't just take images from Google to use - especially since it violates copyright laws. Pretty much all of my material is produced by me, or is used with permission.

TooJoyful00
06-26-2009, 05:40 AM
Kayley,

You seem to do great work.
I'm not certain how passionate you are about your work and allowing it to work for you. I've e-mailed you regarding book covers and you ignored my e-mail. If you're not serious about your work and making money please don't advertise.
We are all on this site for a purpose so lets work on helping each other.

I've completed a manuscript and is in the final stages to be published. I'm looking to have someone design my book cover. I have the idea aleady sketched out I just need the Artist. I'm willing to pay for service but I'd rather promote someone here instead of going to a Printing company.
I have no problem doing so but we are all on this site for growth.

So if anyone out there is serious about business and think they can be of help to me.....please do shoot me a mail.

I wish you success Kayley











EDIT: Anyone else reading this has the same offer.

ORIGINAL POST:
Hey Doomie,


I've actually considered going into cover design, as I'm already a professional graphic designer.

If you tell me what you are thinking of for your cover, I might make you a free one. I want to get some samples before I start charging people. :)

I can make them more simple than this as well, since these were more for show than for practicality.

I haven't done any covers yet, but here is some of my graphic art:

Pretty much everything is made completely from scratch, whether it involves only graphic programs or a photograph that I took as a base.

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/olympuspreview1.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/1breakingbond.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/banner1.png

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o406/kayleyfcv2guide/MySpace/sideyosmallerforreals.jpg

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs41/f/2009/033/c/1/Partum_Mihi_by_KayleyFC.png

http://fc08.deviantart.com/fs36/f/2008/286/b/d/faint_misconceptions_by_KayleyFC.png

And my newest; a bigger image (so I'm linking it)...

http://i42.tinypic.com/2itn346.jpg (but it will be saved as a .png so it won't lose image quality like a .jpg can)

Unlike many "book cover" websites, I don't just take images from Google to use - especially since it violates copyright laws. Pretty much all of my material is produced by me, or is used with permission.

elae
06-26-2009, 09:31 PM
I just wanted to throw my name out there for anyone looking for a cover artist/designer. :)

I just finished a cover for Lethe Press, and other clients I've worked with include Faber Castell. You can see samples of my work at http://www.niki-smith.com/

Please feel free to PM or email me for my rates.

http://niki-smith.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/thegreyknight.jpg

brainstorm77
06-26-2009, 11:52 PM
Nice covers Elae

TooJoyful00
06-27-2009, 02:37 AM
Thank you...I will indeed check out your site.

elae
06-27-2009, 03:53 AM
Nice covers Elae

Thanks!

DoomieBey
06-27-2009, 05:27 AM
Very impressive. It took me a few moments to grasp what I was actually looking at. And YES, I'm a high school graduate :tongue! So your work is mostly for fiction and comics?
I just wanted to throw my name out there for anyone looking for a cover artist/designer. :)

I just finished a cover for Lethe Press, and other clients I've worked with include Faber Castell. You can see samples of my work at http://www.niki-smith.com/

Please feel free to PM or email me for my rates.

http://niki-smith.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/thegreyknight.jpg

White-Tean
06-27-2009, 01:38 PM
Oh. that's such a gorgeous cover elae!
I was surprised to see you're here too, I actually watch you on Livejournal (though I'm a total lurker) but I missed seeing your recent illustration works because I barely checked my friends list at all last semester.

Anyway, great to have had the chance to see more of your artwork from seeing you here!
:D

BigWords
06-27-2009, 05:50 PM
Anyone interested in seeing how a different cover can change the entire mood of a book should check out the international variations of Stephen King's books (http://www.stephenkingshop.com/covers/DifferentSeasons.htm).

The Japanese covers are my favourites, but I bought the Warner edition.

elae
06-27-2009, 06:05 PM
Very impressive. It took me a few moments to grasp what I was actually looking at. And YES, I'm a high school graduate :tongue! So your work is mostly for fiction and comics?

Thank you! Most of my personal work is comics (my graphic novel is currently out on submission... fingers crossed!), but I'm more than willing to work on covers for any genre, be they memoir, textbook, or horror. This cover (http://niki-smith.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/murderoncamac.jpg) I did for Lethe Press, for example, is for a gay crime/mystery novel. It's up to the client whether they would prefer an illustration- or photo-manipulation-based cover.


Oh. that's such a gorgeous cover elae!
I was surprised to see you're here too, I actually watch you on Livejournal (though I'm a total lurker) but I missed seeing your recent illustration works because I barely checked my friends list at all last semester.

Anyway, great to have had the chance to see more of your artwork from seeing you here!
:D

Hi there~ :D And thanks! I'm generally a pretty big lurker on livejournal too, so I completely understand, haha. I was busy graduating last semester, so there weren't too many entries from me... I don't think you missed much. I'm trying to be better about posting!

elae
06-27-2009, 06:07 PM
Anyone interested in seeing how a different cover can change the entire mood of a book should check out the international variations of Stephen King's books (http://www.stephenkingshop.com/covers/DifferentSeasons.htm).

The Japanese covers are my favourites, but I bought the Warner edition.

I love looking at galleries of different/international covers. Tamora Pierce has a similar collection up on her site (http://www.tamora-pierce.com/galleries.html) for her different books, for any YA/fantasy fans. The UK ones are my favorite.

Kayley
06-28-2009, 09:37 PM
Kayley,

You seem to do great work.
I'm not certain how passionate you are about your work and allowing it to work for you. I've e-mailed you regarding book covers and you ignored my e-mail. If you're not serious about your work and making money please don't advertise.
We are all on this site for a purpose so lets work on helping each other.

I've completed a manuscript and is in the final stages to be published. I'm looking to have someone design my book cover. I have the idea aleady sketched out I just need the Artist. I'm willing to pay for service but I'd rather promote someone here instead of going to a Printing company.
I have no problem doing so but we are all on this site for growth.

So if anyone out there is serious about business and think they can be of help to me.....please do shoot me a mail.

I wish you success Kayley

I just wanted to clarify to other readers of this thread that I had been out of town and had already informed previous customers about my absence. TooJoyful was told about this later, so the whole situation was a misunderstanding. I am passionate about my work and do take it seriously; I was simply out of town at the time, a situation which I had informed people about previously.

The situation has been cleared up between TooJoyful and I, but I wanted to make sure that anyone reading this thread also had an accurate understanding of the situation. :)

DoomieBey
06-29-2009, 05:04 AM
And I am one of the people who was told by Kayley that she would be out of town, and offline. I also spoke with Toojoyful00 about the matter, and it has since been cleared up. So sorry Kayley was misunderstood.

Team 2012
07-03-2009, 07:54 AM
A consideration when searching for cover artists... does the artist you're looking at promote the book?

As an example WillowRaven is a name well known to people who promote books on websites. When she does a cover she is all over the web telling people about it, entering it in contests and telling everybody about that.

She's a pretty good designer also. Probably not as good an artist as some, but excellent at design.

There has been some very nice work displayed in this thread, but promotional zeal is also a consideration.

She charges about $300 a cover, last I heard. Which seems like sort of the standard price for web-based designers.

DoomieBey
07-03-2009, 02:58 PM
Team 2012:

I didn't know that cover artists did that much. Is that the standard? Or is she [WillowRaven] and exceptional exception? In my case, since both Tabitha Todd and Kayley offered to do a cover for me with no financial obligation from me - save for listing them as the cover artist in the book itself, and recommending their services to others [who would have to pay, of course] - I wouldn't dare ask such a thing of either one of them. Especially given the fact that the work itself is not easy.

All the same, I would hope that they - or whomever - would list my book cover as a part of their work portfolio.

Team 2012
07-03-2009, 07:26 PM
Or is she [WillowRaven] and exceptional exception?

Good question. There are others who promo contest entries and such.

Please don't misunderstand. we're not trying to steer anybody away from the people in this thread. They do nice work and it's pretty impossible to get a better deal than free. And it's always nice to work with people you know, anyway.

Mostly, we were just raising a point people might want to keep in mind when looking for cover artists.

DoomieBey
07-03-2009, 11:13 PM
No no, no misunderstanding - at least not on my part. I honestly appreciate you posting what you have. There may be, or will be, others who could use the information. And as for the other two members offering "free" services:

Well, it's not that they are not in the business to make money for what they do. I believe that in the case of Tabitha Todd and Kayley, some people do random acts of kindness. And I happen to be the recipient of such an act at the right time. Because if one would view the work that they, as well as Elae, have on their websites, one would quickly be able to determine that I'm very fortunate; or lucky, if there is such a thing.

And generally, I am wary of things that come free or almost free. While it is true that in some cases the best things in life are free; there are times when "you get what you paid for" results. So I'm not out looking for freebies per se. But the work you have is nice and certainly looks worth the fee.
Good question. There are others who promo contest entries and such.

Please don't misunderstand. we're not trying to steer anybody away from the people in this thread. They do nice work and it's pretty impossible to get a better deal than free. And it's always nice to work with people you know, anyway.

Mostly, we were just raising a point people might want to keep in mind when looking for cover artists.

ArthurW
07-04-2009, 06:01 AM
Man, I'm so glad you're someone on the buying side that understands the "you get what you pay for" idea. I've seen too many writers that can't sell a book because they simply didn't want to pay for a good artist.

Pound it. :D

DoomieBey
07-04-2009, 05:46 PM
Thanks,. I know because I've tried the economical route, which backfired, on too many occasions. "Bump" that. Now, as it concerns books: I don't have a library, but I've purchased enough books to know that a picture is indeed worth a thousand words; and a catchy but relavent title is like a beautiful picture.

I am also a believer that only experts of a particular field, or famous [if not infamous] people should use an image of themselves on the cover. IMHO, the adage of, "it's what's inside that counts", actually only apply to people - not books.


Man, I'm so glad you're someone on the buying side that understands the "you get what you pay for" idea. I've seen too many writers that can't sell a book because they simply didn't want to pay for a good artist.

Pound it. :D

Team 2012
07-04-2009, 06:04 PM
I've seen too many writers that can't sell a book because they simply didn't want to pay for a good artist.

Amen.
Maybe you can't tell a book by the cover, but seeing some awkwardly configured Poser character with a face like a mannequin in a trashy juniors boutique just has to say something about what's inside.

hughhowey
07-10-2009, 04:57 AM
$300 sounds like a pretty good deal for original work. I wonder if you could get someone at DeviantArt to do something for you.

Here's my attempt at doing a book cover:

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9474/mollyfydebook110600.jpg

Spent two weeks on it trying to learn the ins and outs of Photoshop and Illustrator. I know a decent artist could do a lot better in a lot less time, but I had a specific vision for the layout, started doing mock-ups for the publisher's artist, then just kept playing with it until I was satisfied.

DoomieBey
07-10-2009, 02:43 PM
Hugh Howey:

Not bad at all. Is your book fiction? Will this be the cover you will use?

TabithaTodd
10-18-2009, 03:34 AM
As a graphics artist, no cover artists do not "promo" the book. Our job is to create your cover, not promote your book. Promotion of the book is your publisher's job and your agent's job. If you are EPub or POD, that then is the onus that lays on your shoulders.

My rates are 250 or lower (depending on what it is you want and what technical support you require. For example, conversion to PDF, help uploading to something like Lulu.com, changes to an existing cover, custom cover, ect). I also provide a front cover, 300DPI a la cart for around 75 to 100 CND.

I low ball for a reason, I believe everyone should have quality for an affordable price. I've been a graphics designer since 1999 and have been running my own company since 2004 officially (unofficial since 1999 after I graduated with my bachelors from college).

Eris
04-30-2011, 10:14 AM
Kayley, are you still on this forum? I just wanted to check that you got my PMs from about a month ago. Thank you.

FantasiaFrogDesigns
06-01-2011, 03:46 AM
A consideration when searching for cover artists... does the artist you're looking at promote the book?

As an example WillowRaven is a name well known to people who promote books on websites. When she does a cover she is all over the web telling people about it, entering it in contests and telling everybody about that.

She's a pretty good designer also. Probably not as good an artist as some, but excellent at design.

There has been some very nice work displayed in this thread, but promotional zeal is also a consideration.

She charges about $300 a cover, last I heard. Which seems like sort of the standard price for web-based designers.


I also promo a book/or most books that I design, but only on facebook and my own design website. I think it helps both author and cover artist to put the work out there. There are of course covers I've missed promo-ing, and I usually ask permission from the author to promo it. They often are happy and send a blurb or excerpt to go along with it.

Aylaa
06-19-2011, 07:39 AM
cover i designed.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2rw3wc6.jpg

azbikergirl
07-14-2011, 08:44 PM
Some other cover artists others have used:

http://www.sanjanasart.com/
http://www.dancaster.com/
http://www.donmichaeljr.com/
http://www.elfhunter.net/
http://scatteredcomics.deviantart.com/
http://www.carlarene.com/
http://teryvisions.com/
http://www.streetlightgraphics.com/
http://extendedimagery.com/
http://www.waywardsunstudio.com/
http://intensewhisp.deviantart.com/gallery/26789333
http://www.stewartwilliamsdesign.com
http://elenadudina.deviantart.com/
http://jeroentenberge.com/
http://www.jsimmonsillustration.com/
http://www.tarashuler.com/cover-design-service/
http://www.mojitopressplus.com
http://crocodesigns.deviantart.com/
http://www.behance.net/gallery/MWM-Illustration-Gallery/609038
http://www.razzdazzdesign.com/
http://ludeshka.deviantart.com/

I used http://extendedimagery.com/ for Venom. He's quite good. I used http://teryvisions.com/ for Kinshield and Wayfarer. You can see the quality of her work in my sig.

Cloud Eight
07-14-2011, 08:55 PM
Coming late to the party, but do want to say to elae that your cover is spectacular.

I can vouch for J.Simmons (on the above list). He did mine. Professional, easy to work with, responsive, and he features covers on his site. He's done hundreds of covers for audio books and is now expanding to ebooks.

EnitaMeadows
08-17-2011, 10:37 AM
Well if you're still looking (obviously I'm a bit late) feel free to check out my website (url in signature), where I'm selling cover designs for $35 only. I'm open to commissions, and have samples available on my website. :) Best of luck!