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jst5150
03-08-2009, 12:55 AM
OK, I'm fully invested:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/

sunna
03-08-2009, 01:19 AM
I was before: now I'm just nail-bitingly impatient.

shawkins
03-08-2009, 03:33 AM
Truly we are living in the golden age of nerd.

Toothpaste
03-08-2009, 03:40 AM
Very much looking forward to this. But Karl Urban better be a damn fine Bones, is all I'm saying . . .

BiggerBoat
03-08-2009, 03:51 AM
Looks awesome. I can't wait. it's a great trailer, and even my wife (to be sure, not a Trekkie or Trekker) said "Can we go see that?".

J.J Abrams sure is on a lens flare kick. I've noticed them all over Fringe as well.

maestrowork
03-08-2009, 04:32 AM
The lens flares... LOL.

I am all geeked out. I can't wait. I think this is going to be great and for the first time, not tied to any existing Star Trek production (no First Generation, no Enterprise, etc.) so it would have a much broader appeal, I think. I had my doubt about Abrams and a new Star Trek (the last few were not very good) but if trailers can really sell movies, I am solidly sold.

katiemac
03-08-2009, 04:45 AM
I know someone at Paramount who's already seen it. Said it was amazing, but she's never seen anything Star Trek before. Trailer looks really solid, and I'm not a Trekkie.

Serenity
03-08-2009, 05:21 AM
Saw a trailer during Watchmen this afternoon. First time I think I've been stoked to see it! I'm another one who can't wait now. And yes, I am a Star Trek fan.

maestrowork
03-08-2009, 06:53 AM
I had doubts about Chris Pine as Kirk but the trailers are starting to convince me he could pull it off. I always thought Quinto was an inspired choice to play Spock. I'll be so excited to see the entire cast in action. The "beginning" is always exciting.

And Bruce Greenwood as Pike. Awesome.

Prozyan
03-08-2009, 07:01 AM
I agree, this looks better than it really has any right to be.

scottm
03-09-2009, 06:52 AM
I agree. When I first heard about this I didn't want it to be good. I wanted to see something in the future of Star Trek, not in the past (but still in our future you know what I mean. Anyway, yeah now I have to go see it.

Zoombie
03-09-2009, 07:52 AM
Hurm.

I still want someone to take these amazing CGI effects, writing, acting abilities and money...and put it into something...ORIGINAL!

Like, say...a teenage boy and his cyborg girlfriend who live on a colossal planet eating starship get embroiled in a massive conspiracy to destroy the galaxy.

Or, say, a hair metal band (in space) travel around trying to evade the villainous Euro-trash-prog-rock band that is trying to steal their groupies.

A man riding a tyrannosaurs rex crashes through an alternate history version of Washington DC on a race against time to prevent the destruction of the South American rain forests.

A steampunk adventure through 18th century Europe involving a deadly new form of weapon and a lot of awesome zeppelins.

A tale of love, loss and regret set in the epic backdrop of a war between two groups of lice living on someone's head.

See! Its not that hard to come up with new ideas!

sunna
03-09-2009, 04:46 PM
Saw the trailer again on the big screen yesterday before Watchmen. I am officially geeked out.

*bites nails*

Susan Gable
03-09-2009, 04:55 PM
Is it May 8th yet? <G>

Like a lot of you, at first I was VERY skeptical. No way they could "replace" our originals.

But...the trailers alone have convinced me that not only can I accept these actors as my characters, I think I might even like them better. (Oooo, is that like, Trekker Blasphamy? <G>)

Sort of like Battlestar Galactica. At first, I was totally skeptical. Totally, NO WAY. Especially when I found out Starbuck had been gender reassigned. <G> But, I think it's even better than the original. They took "campy" and turned it into edgy.

While I hate crowds, and normally won't fight to see new films as soon as they're released...I'll be there for this one. No doubt about it!

Two months and counting... :)

Susan G.

James81
03-09-2009, 05:04 PM
Maybe this is because I'm a Star Wars fan, but just how many of these movies can you guys watch before you say "enough is enough."

How many are there now, like 20?

Susan Gable
03-09-2009, 05:50 PM
Maybe this is because I'm a Star Wars fan, but just how many of these movies can you guys watch before you say "enough is enough."

How many are there now, like 20?

<susan zaps James with a phaser set on high stun>

You don't have to like the franchise. But don't come in here just to kick tribbles, huh?

Actually, I just went on Amazon and did some research. There are ten Star Trek movies -- the new one makes 11.

Guess how many Star Wars movies there are?

11.

The six main films. Plus two Ewok animated movies, two clone wars movies, and one Droids animated movie.

Hmmmm...imagine that.

Some of us actually like both.

Susan G.

James81
03-09-2009, 05:54 PM
<susan zaps James with a phaser set on high stun>

You don't have to like the franchise. But don't come in here just to kick tribbles, huh?

Actually, I just went on Amazon and did some research. There are ten Star Trek movies -- the new one makes 11.

Guess how many Star Wars movies there are?

11.

The six main films. Plus two Ewok animated movies, two clone wars movies, and one Droids animated movie.

Hmmmm...imagine that.

Some of us actually like both.

Susan G.

Heh, I only watched (and liked) the 6 main films.

I haze Lucas for milking his cash cow as well. It's not like one franchise is any better than the other. I just happen to like Star Wars more than Star Trek.

But I criticize both for not laying the shit to rest years ago. I'm kind of tired of Hollywood putting out regurgitated crap.

dragonjax
03-09-2009, 06:29 PM
Wow. Wow wow wow wow wow...

katiemac
03-09-2009, 06:32 PM
I'm in complete agreement with you on Hollywood bringing out original stuff. On the other hand, Star Trek is new to me, since the only exposure I have is a couple of old Shatner episodes and the knowledge that if you're a red shirt, you're in trouble. I never thought any version of Star Trek to seem all that interesting before this one ... (yeah, blasphemy, I'm sure, but I'm probably not the only one out there.) This film might get me interested in the whole series, or maybe it'll be a standalone thing ... either way, I'm looking forward to this one.

Zoombie
03-10-2009, 12:42 AM
Course, we all know Star Trek is fer lightweights.

If you're a real SF fan, you're into the Babylon 5 and Firefly stuff.

dpaterso
03-10-2009, 12:58 AM
Looks good, I'll try to sneak away and see it when no one's looking lest my street cred plummet.

But one does get the niggly impression that perhaps some of parties involved in the making of the film may not actually have watched any TOS episodes.

-Derek

katiemac
03-10-2009, 01:03 AM
From the New York Times artsbeat (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/18/j-j-abrams-reveals-his-star-trek-movie/?hp) ...


“I’ve never been a fan of ‘Star Trek,’” J. J. Abrams told a movie theater full of journalists on Monday night – a perfectly reasonable sentiment, except that Mr. Abrams happens to be the director of the big-budget, high-stakes “Star Trek” film that Paramount is releasing in May.

Prozyan
03-10-2009, 01:16 AM
“I’ve never been a fan of ‘Star Trek,’” J. J. Abrams told a movie theater full of journalists on Monday night – a perfectly reasonable sentiment, except that Mr. Abrams happens to be the director of the big-budget, high-stakes “Star Trek” film that Paramount is releasing in May.

But he does have Roberto Orci on board as co-writer and executive producer. Orci is a confirmed "Trekkie" with near encyclopedic knowledge of the entire Trek universe. He's demonstrated this at conventions in the past.

Maybe it equals out? Either way, fans or not, fresh blood was badly needed to helm the Trek franchise. Berman and Braga had lost it.

maestrowork
03-10-2009, 01:22 AM
I think Abrams would bring a "non-Trekkie" mainstream sensibility to the franchise, and he will have tons of Trek fans surrounding him to make sure he didn't insult them or did something stupid... I think it's a good balance. My feeling of the past few films is that they've been stuck with that known universe and can't do anything outside of the box, so to speak. So a prequel helmmed by a non-Trekkie could unclog some of that creativity.

dpaterso
03-10-2009, 01:32 AM
My feeling of the past few films is that they've been stuck with that known universe and can't do anything outside of the box, so to speak. So a prequel helmmed by a non-Trekkie could unclog some of that creativity.
I think the opposite could be true, they've tried to skip outside the box too often, and fallen flat. The most popular Star Trek movie among fans is still Khan, for good reason. Whales, giant god heads and timewarp ribbons just sucked as story concepts. Depends however what you mean by "the past few films".

-Derek

katiemac
03-10-2009, 01:41 AM
Anyone else notice how similar the music in the trailer is to the Dark Knight?

Prozyan
03-10-2009, 01:43 AM
I think the weaknesses of the past few films lie in the fact they got away from characterization and more into "omg, this plot will be so cool!" or "Look at the special effects we get to use with this story!"

Ol' Fashioned Girl
03-10-2009, 01:50 AM
I do not want to like this film or its 'young guns'.

I do NOT.

I wish they'd stop making me do so. :(

dclary
03-10-2009, 01:54 AM
Anyone else notice how similar the music in the trailer is to the Dark Knight?

Very often trailers will be cut before the soundtrack is complete. It's not unusual to see a trailer with another (often similar) film's score underneath.

maestrowork
03-10-2009, 02:01 AM
Very often trailers will be cut before the soundtrack is complete. It's not unusual to see a trailer with another (often similar) film's score underneath.

One of the most used soundtracks for trailers is the main theme from Dragonheart. You'll recognize it when you hear it.

dpaterso
03-10-2009, 02:04 AM
Side note: Karl Urban needs to be given command of his own starship and unleashed upon the Klingon Empire. He's just too impressive to play a supporting role.

[ ] Agree
[ ] Disagree
[ ] Who? I don't watch films.
[ ] Start your own damn thread, this one's about the new movie!

-Derek

ChaosTitan
03-10-2009, 02:05 AM
Side note: Karl Urban needs to be given command of his own starship and unleashed upon the Klingon Empire. He's just too impressive to play a supporting role.

[X] Agree
[ ] Disagree
[ ] Who? I don't watch films.
[ ] Start your own damn thread, this one's about the new movie!

-Derek

:D

maestrowork
03-10-2009, 02:09 AM
And did Eric Bana got chunky playing Nero? Or is it just makeup?

;)

dclary
03-10-2009, 02:21 AM
That was a pretty bad-ass trailer.

The front of Watchmen had a Terminator Salvation trailer that made that film actually worth watching (and if anything, should be the salvation for the franchise from the shitfest that was T3).

Susan Gable
03-10-2009, 03:20 AM
I think the weaknesses of the past few films lie in the fact they got away from characterization and more into "omg, this plot will be so cool!" or "Look at the special effects we get to use with this story!"

I thought that was the flaw of the first movie, The Motion Picture. They forgot it was supposed to be about THE PEOPLE.

I was 13 when TMP came out, and I talked my mom into taking me and a few of my friends opening night. <G> She was a good sport about it. I should probably thank her for that.

Susan G.

Susan Gable
03-10-2009, 03:24 AM
Also some of the reasons some of the films weren't as good as they could have been was...Shatner.

Keep the man AWAY from the director's chair, please!

I know, he's the original Kirk, but honestly...Nimoy was much better at the director's chair. And Shatner should just get over that. <G> And over his ego.

Okay, so who among this thread thought Galaxy Quest was one of the funniest movies ever?

I laughed more in the theatre at that movie than I think any other movie. Cause it was just so TRUE. <snort> Good stuff.

Susan G.

Zoombie
03-10-2009, 05:13 AM
Galaxy Quest IS the funniest movie ever.

Truth.

maestrowork
03-10-2009, 05:15 AM
Yes, Galaxy Quest is just great. They should have made a sequel...

Zoombie
03-10-2009, 05:15 AM
Nah.

Its over.

Why don't we make NEW films?

jst5150
03-10-2009, 05:15 AM
Side note: Karl Urban needs to be given command of his own starship and unleashed upon the Klingon Empire. He's just too impressive to play a supporting role.

[ ] Agree
[ ] Disagree
[ ] Who? I don't watch films.
[ ] Start your own damn thread, this one's about the new movie!
[X] ROHIRIMM!!

-Derek
:-)

Zoombie
03-10-2009, 05:16 AM
Like, say, a mutant in a fez rescuing his large bosemed girlfriend from mummies.

maestrowork
03-10-2009, 05:18 AM
Why don't we make NEW films?

I don't mind sequels or remakes, really, if they're good. Otherwise, we wouldn't have had The Dark Knight, Empire Strikes Back, Godfather II, The Silence of the Lambs, etc.

We have plenty of "new stuff" coming out each year, and most of them suck. Sometimes great characters and great plot beg for new treatments, and Galaxy Quest has both.

jst5150
03-10-2009, 05:21 AM
Isn't this a ...reimagining of the franchise, to use the lingo?

I'm OK with that like everyone else, when it works.

Superman Returns did not.

So, go new Kirk and Spock.

Zoombie
03-10-2009, 05:21 AM
Yes, yes, but at what point does one say "ENOUGH! WE NEED NEW THINGS!"

jst5150
03-10-2009, 05:23 AM
Yes, yes, but at what point does one say "ENOUGH! WE NEED NEW THINGS!"
When the price of scripts, writers and licenses goes down faster than a cheerleader on prom night.

maestrowork
03-10-2009, 05:23 AM
Yes, yes, but at what point does one say "ENOUGH! WE NEED NEW THINGS!"

But like I said, we HAVE new things. And many of them SUCK.

New things don't necessarily mean good things. And good things don't have to be new. That's my point. I think people are too sometimes too biased about "remakes/sequels" that they forget some of the greatest movies in the world were sequels or remakes. And some of the suckiest movies are NEW THINGS.

The Love Guru, anyone?

jst5150
03-10-2009, 05:25 AM
The Love Guru, anyone?
Austin Powers in different robes.

maestrowork
03-10-2009, 05:44 AM
Yeah, one could say Galaxy Quest was Spaceballs in the Star Trek universe... As writers, we all know everything is recycled in this world, anyway.

Sophia
03-10-2009, 12:59 PM
I loved Galaxy Quest, except for the scene where they're explaining to the leader of the good aliens that acting equals lying. It felt forced and fell flat for me. Other than that, it felt like a complete story. I'd never imagined a sequel for it, and my first instinct is that I wouldn't want one. But as long as it's a good script, it could work. Sequel doesn't automatically mean no creativity.

Zoombie, I did have a similar reaction to you when Star Trek Enterprise began. I was really annoyed that they wasted that built-in audience and budget on a 'past' idea, when what I really wanted to see was something set farther in the future, and really new and imaginative. I boycotted watching Enterprise in protest. :tongue

Zoombie
03-10-2009, 01:07 PM
Good for you, Elara.

It ended up that boycotting it was...kinda...a great idea. Enterprise SUCKED!

Also, the scene about lying/acting was kinda...supposed to be forced, I thought. Like, they were trying to explain something completely alien to this culture, and they had to struggle to find a way to make the connection to help Mathazar understand...


Either way, I'm not saying that remakes and squeals are all instantly bad.

But it seems like NOTHING in the sci-fi/fantasy area is original...I'd just LOVE to see a sci-fi/fantasy/althist movie or TV show that is based on a new, creative universe...

Even if it sucks! They can't all be diamond farting wonders...but we'll never get a new diamond farting wonder if we don't experiment.

You can only mine a single setting for so long till it explodes.





Just look at Star Wars.

James81
03-10-2009, 04:07 PM
I don't mind sequels or remakes, really, if they're good. Otherwise, we wouldn't have had The Dark Knight, Empire Strikes Back, Godfather II, The Silence of the Lambs, etc.

We have plenty of "new stuff" coming out each year, and most of them suck. Sometimes great characters and great plot beg for new treatments, and Galaxy Quest has both.

It's interesting that your examples are of sequels that came EARLY. Aside from the Dark Knight, your other examples are of movies that are sequels early in the their franchises.

I don't think anybody here is arguing about making sequels.

We're talking about making sequel after sequel after sequel. I mean, you mention Empire Strikes Back....do we really need the Clone Wars? You mention Silence of the Lambs....did we really need Red Dragon and Hannibal?

Great characters are great because their story left something to the imagination. And it seems that Hollywood is wanting to go back and take that away from these characters. There are so many people out there who hate the Star Wars prequels, for example, and I would assert it's because they are taking away the mystery of the character of Vader.

Ol' Fashioned Girl
03-10-2009, 04:15 PM
Side note: Karl Urban needs to be given command of his own starship and unleashed upon the Klingon Empire. He's just too impressive to play a supporting role.

[X] Agree
[ ] Disagree
[ ] Who? I don't watch films.
[ ] Start your own damn thread, this one's about the new movie!

-Derek

Karl Urban... Mmmmhmmm. Worf did nothing to make me love those bloody Klingons... and - call me a bigot; I don't care! - I hate the Ferengi! When I had my own starship (yes, I did!), I wouldn't allow either of 'em on board.

Shadow_Ferret
03-10-2009, 06:05 PM
OK, I'm fully invested:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/

I can't see it. I guess I don't have Quicktime.

maestrowork
03-10-2009, 07:11 PM
We're talking about making sequel after sequel after sequel.

Were we?

I don't remember anyone saying that.

I said Galaxy Quest was such a good movie and they should make a sequel to that, and Zoombies said, "Not. How about something new?" I don't remember anyone saying anything about sequel after sequel.

Galaxy Quest is a PARODY of Star Trek and has no sequels.

Thank you.

James81
03-10-2009, 07:45 PM
Were we?

I don't remember anyone saying that.

I said Galaxy Quest was such a good movie and they should make a sequel to that, and Zoombies said, "Not. How about something new?" I don't remember anyone saying anything about sequel after sequel.

Galaxy Quest is a PARODY of Star Trek and has no sequels.

Thank you.

I don't know about the rest of you all, but that's what I was talking about:


Maybe this is because I'm a Star Wars fan, but just how many of these movies can you guys watch before you say "enough is enough."

How many are there now, like 20?


Heh, I only watched (and liked) the 6 main films.

I haze Lucas for milking his cash cow as well. It's not like one franchise is any better than the other. I just happen to like Star Wars more than Star Trek.

But I criticize both for not laying the shit to rest years ago. I'm kind of tired of Hollywood putting out regurgitated crap.

dclary
03-10-2009, 08:51 PM
I like how they throw a bone to the curious audience to explain the discrepancies in the current reimaging of the franchise against TOS.





SPOILERS HIDDEN HERE YARRRR!!!!!


From what I understand, a time rift (similar to what the borg attempted in their movie) causes events in the past to shift... Eric Bana comes from the universe of the Original series, and finds himself in position to stop Kirk before he ever *becomes* Kirk. That's my take on his line in the trailer "James T. Kirk was a great man...."